Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Steve Kirkby k...@today.plus.com wrote:
Shawn Bakhtiar said:
It's [Clam] not just good, it's great .
I am sure it is. But it is only for highly technically competent people. (And
there is nothing wrong in that.)
I disagree with that assertion. ClamAV in it's source form is for
any moderately competent Unix / Linux System Administrator. You do not
have to be highly technically competent to be a good Sys Admin, you
need to know some command line basics and be able to follow
instructions.
I agree that ClamAV in it's source form is NOT for the typical end
user, especially an end user who is not comfortable with the command
line user interface.
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Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
On 3/14/12 5:12 AM, Steve Kirkby k...@today.plus.com wrote: Shawn Bakhtiar said: It's [Clam] not just good, it's great . I am sure it is. But it is only for highly technically competent people. (And there is nothing wrong in that.) Yes, the average consumer should not be concerned with such stuff, but if you'r on this list, I would hardly consider you the average consumer. Exactly. But I dropped into Clam from a recommendation on the Apple discussions Group. There are some highly technical people there but in the post the recommender was addressing average uses of the Mac. I'm quite confident that those folks on the Apple Community Discussion Forum recommend the use of ClamXav which is for average Mac users and why I keep saying that the appropriate place for help in this matter is the ClamXav Forum and not this list. -Al- -- Al Varnell Mountain View, CA ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
At 08:50 AM 3/14/2012, Al Varnell wrote: On 3/14/12 5:12 AM, Steve Kirkby k...@today.plus.com wrote: Exactly. But I dropped into Clam from a recommendation on the Apple discussions Group. There are some highly technical people there but in the post the recommender was addressing average uses of the Mac. I'm quite confident that those folks on the Apple Community Discussion Forum recommend the use of ClamXav which is for average Mac users and why I keep saying that the appropriate place for help in this matter is the ClamXav Forum and not this list. But a general problem is that average users don't know/understand that ClamAV by itself doesn't do squat and that they need a 3rd party software to make use of it. And that any update to the used ClamAV engine should be though that particular 3rd party software, in this case ClamXav. Some of those 3rd party applications, like ClamWin for example, keep the same version numbering as ClamAV itself and update pretty quickly. However ClamXav decided to use a different version numbering for itself and seems to be very slow to update to new versions of the underlying ClamAV engine, contrary what for example the ClamAV Wikipedia article says. The latest version of ClamXav is 2.2.2, from 2011-08-12, including ClamAV 0.9.7.2 (don't know right now when that version came out). The latest ClamAV 0.9.7.3 came out 2011-10-17, a bit more than two month later but by now almost 5 month ago, without an update for ClamXav that would include 0.9.7.3 apparently in sight. And the DON'T PANIC message in the logs isn't really helping with average users, as they will likely do just that, panic, and then end up in the mess that Steve found himself in. Ralf ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
On 03/14/2012 05:12 AM, Steve Kirkby wrote: Shawn Bakhtiar said: It's [Clam] not just good, it's great . I am sure it is. But it is only for highly technically competent people. (And there is nothing wrong in that.) Yes, the average consumer should not be concerned with such stuff, but if you'r on this list, I would hardly consider you the average consumer. Exactly. But I dropped into Clam from a recommendation on the Apple discussions Group. There are some highly technical people there but in the post the recommender was addressing average uses of the Mac. And did you do that from Clamav sources? or from a prebuilt binary installation? If you used a prebuilt binary installation, then your best bet (and that of most users) is to wait for the next release of a prebuilt binary installation. If you built from sources, then I do not see where your arguments are coming from. Perhaps the Clam authors should put a conspicuous statement on the Clam site (in several places) to warn people that Clam is not for non-technical user. Why, even many non-technical users can figure it out given a chance and asking questions. In your case you looked at it, decided it was too difficult for you and therefore must be too difficult for everyone. -- Jim Preston ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
hhh... I have over 250 users at my site. We use clamAV on our mail (SMTP) gateway currently running FC 16. It's not just good, it's great :) and given it's open source I have to take my hats off to those who commit the time to make it happen, and I hardly consider myself a guru (or technically ... knowledgeable) Yes, the average consumer should not be concerned with such stuff, but if your on this list, I would hardly consider you the average consumer. It's like Alulah use to say. First learn to play before you sit down to jam :) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:47:57 -0700 From: jimli...@commspeed.net To: clamav-users@lists.clamav.net Subject: Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam. On 03/07/2012 12:25 PM, Steve Kirkby wrote: I accept that clam is a good anti-malware software, and that those who understand all this technicality are very knowledgable and intelligent, but it is so many light-years away for the average consumer that it is unsuitable for any other user than a technical guru. Commercial software, such as Microsoft Word, Photoshop, and also various anti-malware software, install at the touch of a key without any complexity. Compare that to the download for Clam: 55 folders and files, only one of which looked like an installation, and that had Terminal instructions. That is why there is a default installation for most platforms and vendors do updates as they can. Unfortunately that means that there is always a lag in updating and it does not usually mean much. The warnings about out-of-date do not mean much as long as they are for minor updates of the application itself, e.g. 0.97.2 - 0.97.3. If your signatures are more than a day over due for updating that is another matter. Sorry folks, but I have removed as much of Clam as I can and, regretfully but thankfully, will not approach it ever again. But thanks for the reply. Sorry you feel that way, but with these sentiments, you are probably better off with one of the other free AV solutions. -- Jim Preston jimli...@commspeed.net ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
On 03/07/2012 12:25 PM, Steve Kirkby wrote: I accept that clam is a good anti-malware software, and that those who understand all this technicality are very knowledgable and intelligent, but it is so many light-years away for the average consumer that it is unsuitable for any other user than a technical guru. Commercial software, such as Microsoft Word, Photoshop, and also various anti-malware software, install at the touch of a key without any complexity. Compare that to the download for Clam: 55 folders and files, only one of which looked like an installation, and that had Terminal instructions. That is why there is a default installation for most platforms and vendors do updates as they can. Unfortunately that means that there is always a lag in updating and it does not usually mean much. The warnings about out-of-date do not mean much as long as they are for minor updates of the application itself, e.g. 0.97.2 - 0.97.3. If your signatures are more than a day over due for updating that is another matter. Sorry folks, but I have removed as much of Clam as I can and, regretfully but thankfully, will not approach it ever again. But thanks for the reply. Sorry you feel that way, but with these sentiments, you are probably better off with one of the other free AV solutions. -- Jim Preston jimli...@commspeed.net ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
Following Edwin's reply (and thanks for that) I visited the clamav.net site. I downloaded the ClamAV 0.97.3 install guide. It consists of 17 pages of highly technical instructions which are so beyond me that I could not even think of doing anything that it says: Firmware password; Terminal instructions galore; Many people don ́t like or hate the terminal but there is no reason for that. The very next line is The default shell is the bash. How on earth can this apply to the ordinary computer user? There follows copious programming instructions, like: cd $HOME/Source mkdir gnupg cd gnupg curl -L ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/gnupg/gnupg/gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz -o gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz openssl sha1 gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz SHA1 checksum : bffb0c60b2e702980f7148ee3a060f29adc82331 tar -xzvf gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz cd gnupg-1.4.11 ./configure I accept that clam is a good anti-malware software, and that those who understand all this technicality are very knowledgable and intelligent, but it is so many light-years away for the average consumer that it is unsuitable for any other user than a technical guru. Commercial software, such as Microsoft Word, Photoshop, and also various anti-malware software, install at the touch of a key without any complexity. Compare that to the download for Clam: 55 folders and files, only one of which looked like an installation, and that had Terminal instructions. Sorry folks, but I have removed as much of Clam as I can and, regretfully but thankfully, will not approach it ever again. But thanks for the reply. ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
On 3/7/2012 2:25 PM, Steve Kirkby wrote: Following Edwin's reply (and thanks for that) I visited the clamav.net site. I downloaded the ClamAV 0.97.3 install guide. It consists of 17 pages of highly technical instructions which are so beyond me that I could not even think of doing anything that it says: Firmware password; Terminal instructions galore; Many people don ́t like or hate the terminal but there is no reason for that. The very next line is The default shell is the bash. How on earth can this apply to the ordinary computer user? There follows copious programming instructions, like: cd $HOME/Source mkdir gnupg cd gnupg curl -L ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/gnupg/gnupg/gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz -o gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz openssl sha1 gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz SHA1 checksum : bffb0c60b2e702980f7148ee3a060f29adc82331 tar -xzvf gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz cd gnupg-1.4.11 ./configure I accept that clam is a good anti-malware software, and that those who understand all this technicality are very knowledgable and intelligent, but it is so many light-years away for the average consumer that it is unsuitable for any other user than a technical guru. Commercial software, such as Microsoft Word, Photoshop, and also various anti-malware software, install at the touch of a key without any complexity. Compare that to the download for Clam: 55 folders and files, only one of which looked like an installation, and that had Terminal instructions. Sorry folks, but I have removed as much of Clam as I can and, regretfully but thankfully, will not approach it ever again. ClamAV is designed to be installed by a sysadmin in a linux environment. It is not generally considered to be a consumer product. However, on most platforms, the majority of the install can be done by yum install clamav or a similar command. On the other hand, I thought we had determined that you were using the Mac ClamXav program, which was reportedly in the process of being updated with the new ClamAV code. So my suggestion would be to just relax and wait for ClamXav to be updated. You should then be able to install with the normal Mac install tools (no command line needed). -- Bowie ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
On 3/7/12 11:25 AM, Steve Kirkby k...@today.plus.com wrote: Following Edwin's reply (and thanks for that) I visited the clamav.net site. Did you not receive a reply from Mark Allan or myself? You should not be attempting to install the engine on a Mac. The appropriate site for assistance with ClamXav, to include the engine installation, is http://markallan.co.uk/BB/viewforum.php?f=1 -Al- -- Al Varnell Mountain View, CA ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam.
On 07-03-2012 11:25, Steve Kirkby wrote: Following Edwin's reply (and thanks for that) I visited the clamav.net site. I downloaded the ClamAV 0.97.3 install guide. It consists of 17 pages of highly technical instructions which are so beyond me that I could not even think of doing anything that it says: Firmware password; Terminal instructions galore; Many people don ́t like or hate the terminal but there is no reason for that. The very next line is The default shell is the bash. How on earth can this apply to the ordinary computer user? There follows copious programming instructions, like: cd $HOME/Source mkdir gnupg cd gnupg curl -L ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/gnupg/gnupg/gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz -o gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz openssl sha1 gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz SHA1 checksum : bffb0c60b2e702980f7148ee3a060f29adc82331 tar -xzvf gnupg-1.4.11.tar.gz cd gnupg-1.4.11 ./configure I accept that clam is a good anti-malware software, and that those who understand all this technicality are very knowledgable and intelligent, but it is so many light-years away for the average consumer that it is unsuitable for any other user than a technical guru. Commercial software, such as Microsoft Word, Photoshop, and also various anti-malware software, install at the touch of a key without any complexity. Compare that to the download for Clam: 55 folders and files, only one of which looked like an installation, and that had Terminal instructions. Sorry folks, but I have removed as much of Clam as I can and, regretfully but thankfully, will not approach it ever again. But thanks for the reply. ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml Hello Steve, The clamav installation update can be daunting for the non-programmer but Mark Allen, the progammer of ClamXav, has a webpage that is only one page long that can update your clamav engine for ClamXav and here is the website: http://www.clamxav.com/docs_byo.php Also there is support forum for ClamXav that can assist you in updating your ClamXav at this website: http://www.markallan.co.uk/BB/viewforum.php?f=1sid=2f99d47ca35c46e9b5f816cb52911c28 I hope this helps, Frank ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Steve Kirkby k...@today.plus.com wrote: I can't get through the tech. complexity of upgrading my ClamAV, version 2.2.2. I am not a computer engineer, just a user. On getting the daily message in Console that my ClamAV engine is outdated (don't panic), I deleted Clam and its associated files from my machine and redownloaded it from your site. I still get the message. I have read the FAQ: no help. I have checked that I have only one clam application. I once tried to upgrade just the engine but it was too complicated to do. Surely downloading the current version from your site would result in an up-to-date version? What to do please? (Perhaps Clam is too unfriendly for ordinary users.) Thanks for any help (but no unix code or complex multi-step instructions please). http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/security-essentials ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam
On 03/06/2012 12:43 PM, Steve Kirkby wrote: I can't get through the tech. complexity of upgrading my ClamAV, version 2.2.2. You mean ClamXav, which is a graphical frontend to ClamAV. Apparently ClamXav 2.2.2 comes with ClamAV engine version 0.97.2. The latest version of the ClamAV engine is 0.97.3. I am not a computer engineer, just a user. On getting the daily message in Console that my ClamAV engine is outdated (don't panic), I deleted Clam and its associated files from my machine and redownloaded it from your site. Which site? Did you download from clamav.net (that is our site), or clamxav.com (this is not our site)? Best regards, --Edwin ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam
On 03/06/2012 02:23 PM, shuttlebox wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Steve Kirkby k...@today.plus.com wrote: I can't get through the tech. complexity of upgrading my ClamAV, version 2.2.2. I am not a computer engineer, just a user. On getting the daily message in Console that my ClamAV engine is outdated (don't panic), I deleted Clam and its associated files from my machine and redownloaded it from your site. I still get the message. I have read the FAQ: no help. I have checked that I have only one clam application. I once tried to upgrade just the engine but it was too complicated to do. Surely downloading the current version from your site would result in an up-to-date version? What to do please? (Perhaps Clam is too unfriendly for ordinary users.) Thanks for any help (but no unix code or complex multi-step instructions please). http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/security-essentials Does that work on Mac OS X? X-Mailer shows 'Apple Mail', and version 2.2.2 seems to refer to ClamXav, so I'd guess the OP is running Mac OS X. --Edwin ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam
2012/3/6 Török Edwin ed...@clamav.net: On 03/06/2012 02:23 PM, shuttlebox wrote: On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Steve Kirkby k...@today.plus.com wrote: I can't get through the tech. complexity of upgrading my ClamAV, version 2.2.2. I am not a computer engineer, just a user. On getting the daily message in Console that my ClamAV engine is outdated (don't panic), I deleted Clam and its associated files from my machine and redownloaded it from your site. I still get the message. I have read the FAQ: no help. I have checked that I have only one clam application. I once tried to upgrade just the engine but it was too complicated to do. Surely downloading the current version from your site would result in an up-to-date version? What to do please? (Perhaps Clam is too unfriendly for ordinary users.) Thanks for any help (but no unix code or complex multi-step instructions please). http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/security-essentials Does that work on Mac OS X? X-Mailer shows 'Apple Mail', and version 2.2.2 seems to refer to ClamXav, so I'd guess the OP is running Mac OS X. I assumed he was on Windows due to what he wrote. If he's on a Mac I wouldn't bother with AV at all unless he stores files for Windows on it. (lots of malware will hit Mac when it grows in popularity = this is the year of Linux desktops) ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam
Hi there, On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, Steve Kirkby wrote: I can't get through the tech. complexity of upgrading my ClamAV, version 2.2.2. I am not a computer engineer, just a user. ... ... What to do please? (Perhaps Clam is too unfriendly for ordinary users.) Thanks for any help (but no unix code or complex multi-step instructions please). 1. Find someone who will do the work for you for a fee. 2. Pay him. No Unix code, not complex, only two steps. :) -- 73, Ged. ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam
On 6 Mar 2012, at 14:49, G.W. Haywood wrote: On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, Steve Kirkby wrote: I can't get through the tech. complexity of upgrading my ClamAV, version 2.2.2. I am not a computer engineer, just a user. ... ... What to do please? (Perhaps Clam is too unfriendly for ordinary users.) Thanks for any help (but no unix code or complex multi-step instructions please). 1. Find someone who will do the work for you for a fee. 2. Pay him. No Unix code, not complex, only two steps. :) As the developer of ClamXav (not ClamAV), that person would be me. I'll be releasing a new version including ClamAV 0.97.3 shortly. Mark ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
Re: [clamav-users] My outdated Clam
On 3/6/12 2:43 AM, Steve Kirkby k...@today.plus.com wrote: I can't get through the tech. complexity of upgrading my ClamAV, version 2.2.2. I am not a computer engineer, just a user. On getting the daily message in Console that my ClamAV engine is outdated (don't panic), I deleted Clam and its associated files from my machine and redownloaded it from your site. I still get the message. I have read the FAQ: no help. I have checked that I have only one clam application. I once tried to upgrade just the engine but it was too complicated to do. Surely downloading the current version from your site would result in an up-to-date version? What to do please? (Perhaps Clam is too unfriendly for ordinary users.) Thanks for any help (but no unix code or complex multi-step instructions please). This list is for support of the clamav engine and you seem to be asking questions about Mac OS implementation, ClamXav, which has not yet been updated to include the latest engine. Since there were no specific updates in the new engine of great impact to the Mac OS, you should probably follow the warning to not panic and simply wait for the next version to be released by the developer. I also recommend that you bring your questions about this to the ClamXav Forum http://markallan.co.uk/BB/viewforum.php?f=1 and somebody can help you there. -Al- -- Al Varnell Mountain View, CA ___ Help us build a comprehensive ClamAV guide: visit http://wiki.clamav.net http://www.clamav.net/support/ml
