My experiment with the JDI:
http://georgejahad.com/clojure/cdt.html
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Hi George,
a quick word concerning the name: FYI, CDT, in the Eclipse world, in a
name taken a long time ago to mean C/C++ Development Tools. Make
what you want with this info :)
2010/7/6 George Jahad cloj...@blackbirdsystems.net:
My experiment with the JDI:
Greetings my lispy friends,
since google only turned up very trivial expamels. Is there anyone who works
with 3d in clojure? Any experiences wrappers or the like?
Regards,
Heinz
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Hello Heinz,
I'm currently playing around with Penumbra, an OpenGL wrapper for Clojure.
It cuts away some incidental complexity in OpenGL, renames/binds to
cleaner/simpler naming conventions and makes OpenGL feel more functional
programming-ish. See http://github.com/ztellman/penumbra to get
Oh, and btw, impressive work ! :)
2010/7/6 Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com:
Hi George,
a quick word concerning the name: FYI, CDT, in the Eclipse world, in a
name taken a long time ago to mean C/C++ Development Tools. Make
what you want with this info :)
2010/7/6 George Jahad
On Jul 6, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
2010/7/6 Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Sean Corfield
seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
No, I hadn't found it painful in my brief run around with CCW over
the
last few days... I hadn't even noticed the
2010/7/6 Chas Emerick cemer...@snowtide.com:
On Jul 6, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
2010/7/6 Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com
wrote:
No, I hadn't found it painful in my brief run around with CCW over the
I found the answer and fixed it and it works!
Yes, *use-context-classloader* is true by default.
But, the context classloader wasn't the right classloader, so I had to
set context classloader to the right classloader, at the right place
before any clojure code is called like this:
I love the - and - macros, but the problem with them is that you're limited
to the functions you can use. Either all of the functions must be functions
where the argument is passed as the first argument, or they must all be
functions where it's passed in at the end.
I'm making my way through
Hi,
this comes up once in a while. See eg. here for an in-depth
discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/66ff0b89229be894/c3d4a6dae45d4852
Note, that you can ease your pain a little with #(): (- 3 (#(+ 1 %
4)) (#(prn answer: %))). This is rather ugly, though.
On Jul 6, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
Seems like people definitely don't like automatic closing bracket
insertion in the default mode. Guess I'm gonna remove this from the
default mode then, if it does more harm than anything ...
Will there still be auto-indenting during typing,
2010/7/6 Lee Spector lspec...@hampshire.edu:
On Jul 6, 2010, at 1:35 AM, Laurent PETIT wrote:
Seems like people definitely don't like automatic closing bracket
insertion in the default mode. Guess I'm gonna remove this from the
default mode then, if it does more harm than anything ...
One of the things I like about Clojure is it is a way to get lisp and
functional programming into workaday programming work; into the many
places and businesses that use Java.
I'd be very interested to hear stories or experiences of getting
Clojure into the workplace and how it was done. That is,
I write a swing wrapper for fun.
http://gist.github.com/465370
It work well. (eg. http://gist.github.com/465323,
http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/uiswing/components/button.html
ButtonDemo example)
But there is a small problem troubling me.
I must import the Event Listener where I use my
Here are some ideas for presentations for the next NYC Clojure meetup:
Development environments:
We have already had a demo on Netbeans with Enclojure.
If you use Emacs, IntelliJ or Eclipse, it would be great to see a demo
of how those environments work.
Are you the author or user of a Clojure
On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Meikel Brandmeyer wrote:
Hi,
this comes up once in a while. See eg. here for an in-depth
discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/clojure/browse_thread/thread/66ff0b89229be894/c3d4a6dae45d4852
So why hasn't it been incorporated yet into the standard library?
FWIW, jMonkeyEngine is the best opensource game engine for Java that I'm aware
of, it also uses lwjgl like penumbra.
A brief mention of using it with clojure can be found here:
http://nakkaya.com/2010/05/25/jmonkeyengine-hello-world-in-clojure/
- Greg
On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:58 AM, Heinz N. Gies
On Jul 6, 4:50 am, Nick Mudge mud...@gmail.com wrote:
One of the things I like about Clojure is it is a way to get lisp and
functional programming into workaday programming work; into the many
places and businesses that use Java.
I'd be very interested to hear stories or experiences of
There is not general agreement that something like -- is more readable. (I for
one disagree, at least so far.)
Stu
On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Meikel Brandmeyer wrote:
Hi,
this comes up once in a while. See eg. here for an in-depth
discussion:
Nick,
I'm not doing proper paid work in Clojure yet, but I convinced my department
manager that learning Clojure on company time was ok. So that's a start at
least. :)
I used the concurrency features of Clojure as a main selling point, as well
as the value of getting started early on in
Hi,
On Jul 6, 5:47 pm, Stuart Halloway stuart.hallo...@gmail.com wrote:
There is not general agreement that something like -- is more readable. (I
for one disagree, at least so far.)
And it's implementation is not that trivial:
user= (macroexpand '(-- (launch-rockets-if-called-twice)
(call
my story isn't a very interesting one. I simply told everyone on the team to
learn it, because we are going to use it :)
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Nick Mudge mud...@gmail.com wrote:
One of the things I like about Clojure is it is a way to get lisp and
functional programming into workaday
An exercise in declarative programming...
On 6 Jul 2010, at 17:15, Wilson MacGyver wrote:
my story isn't a very interesting one. I simply told everyone on the team to
learn it, because we are going to use it :)
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Nick Mudge mud...@gmail.com wrote:
One of the
On Jul 6, 11:37 am, Edmund Jackson edmundsjack...@gmail.com wrote:
An exercise in declarative programming...
On 6 Jul 2010, at 17:15, Wilson MacGyver wrote:
my story isn't a very interesting one. I simply told everyone on the team to
learn it, because we are going to use it :)
On
On Jul 6, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Stuart Halloway wrote:
There is not general agreement that something like -- is more readable. (I
for one disagree, at least so far.)
I'm very curious as to why as I find it hard to even fathom how you could think
it's less readable to be explicit about the
I don't plan to let it stop me
(def typical-estimated-cost 5)
(defn propose-cost-with [choice]
(if (= choice Clojure)
( * typical-estimated-cost .7)
typical-estimated-cost))
(propose-cost-with Clojure)
...
(propose-cost-with Other)
...
In my opinion many large
Will Langstroth had suggested this to me in private correspondence and
has built a version for his own use. I haven't (yet) had the bandwidth
to investigate adding this to the autodoc cycle, but I think it's a
great idea.
I've also been realizing lately that the autodoc should include two
other
Hi,
Am 06.07.2010 um 10:50 schrieb Nick Mudge:
One of the things I like about Clojure is it is a way to get lisp and
functional programming into workaday programming work; into the many
places and businesses that use Java.
I'd be very interested to hear stories or experiences of getting
Same story here...
Dictatorship has definitively some value :)))
Luc P.
Sedit qui timuit ne non succederet.
Wilson MacGyver wmacgy...@gmail.com wrote ..
my story isn't a very interesting one. I simply told everyone on the team to
learn it, because we are going to use it :)
On Tue, Jul 6,
(1) Clojure APIs are very careful about parameter order.
(2) - and - encourage chains of operations that build on that parameter
order.
(3) I haven't seen a lot of examples where something like -- solves real
problems in code.
In my experience, unneeded versatility == support headache.
Stu
And it's implementation is not that trivial:
Excellent point! I've modified -- so that now it's even more versatile and
only evaluates the functions once.
Now this is possible:
user= (-- 1 (+ 1 _) (do (println sideeffect!) _) (hash-map :a _ :b
(+ 3 _)) :b)
sideeffect!
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Stuart Halloway
stuart.hallo...@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience, unneeded versatility == support headache.
I couldn't agree more. I'm happy to see selection of what goes into
core and contrib has
become more selective.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse
It now requires an additional replace-all function (a modified replace):
Oops! No it doesn't. That's from earlier experimentation that I did, and it's
not necessary at all with the latest version (you'll see the -- macro doesn't
even call it. :-p
- Greg
On Jul 6, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Greg
On Jul 6, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Stuart Halloway wrote:
(1) Clojure APIs are very careful about parameter order.
And what if you want to use a function outside of the Clojure API? Or a
function *in* the Clojure API that doesn't follow the parameter order you want?
(2) - and - encourage chains
On Jul 6, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Wilson MacGyver wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Stuart Halloway
stuart.hallo...@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience, unneeded versatility == support headache.
I couldn't agree more. I'm happy to see selection of what goes into
core and contrib has become
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Wilson MacGyver wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Stuart Halloway
stuart.hallo...@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience, unneeded versatility == support headache.
I couldn't agree more. I'm
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Wilson MacGyver wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Stuart Halloway
stuart.hallo...@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience, unneeded versatility == support headache.
I couldn't agree more. I'm happy
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 14:09:18 -0400
Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Stuart Halloway wrote:
(3) I haven't seen a lot of examples where something like -- solves real
problems in code.
I haven't coded long enough in Clojure to provide you with any examples, but
We try to keep a civil tone here; please do likewise.
On Jul 6, 11:36 am, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
On Jul 6, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Wilson MacGyver wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Stuart Halloway
stuart.hallo...@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience, unneeded versatility ==
You know, just because you wrote a macro that you love and it works
for you, doesn't mean it should get into clojure.core :)
I agree 100%, which is why I've explained the reasons for the suggestion.
I did not simply say OMG I made this awesome macro now include it!
I gave explicit reasons on
Have you checked for those?
No, sorry, I think that's a rather unreasonable request. I'm not going to spend
hours sifting through the core and contrib just to jerk out examples for you.
I'd rather use logic and reason to make my case.
- Greg
On Jul 6, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Mike Meyer wrote:
On
Initially I taught myself Clojure because it is a lot of fun. That
lead me to using it for prototyping a currency trading application and
since it worked well we just kept using Clojure for that. Some
customers don't care about the technology as long as the app is
earning them money.
I also
On Jul 6, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Greg wrote:
Have you checked for those?
No, sorry, I think that's a rather unreasonable request. I'm not going to
spend hours sifting through the core and contrib just to jerk out examples
for you.
I'd rather use logic and reason to make my case.
It's not
On 07/06/2010 04:16 PM, Greg wrote:
Have you checked for those?
No, sorry, I think that's a rather unreasonable request. I'm not going to spend
hours sifting through the core and contrib just to jerk out examples for you.
I'd rather use logic and reason to make my case.
I don't
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
Have you checked for those?
No, sorry, I think that's a rather unreasonable request. I'm not going to
spend hours sifting through the core and contrib just to jerk out examples
for you.
I'd rather use logic and reason to
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 16:16:37 -0400
Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
Have you checked for those?
No, sorry, I think that's a rather unreasonable request. I'm not going to
spend hours sifting through the core and contrib just to jerk out examples
for you.
I'd rather use logic and reason
Greg you're enthusiasm is appreciated. But this ML is filled with talented
and smart people who have an equal grasp of logic and reason who have been
using Clojure for a couple years now and they aren't clamoring to your nice
snippet of code. That's something to consider.
It is indeed. I
Hi,
Am 06.07.2010 um 20:09 schrieb Greg:
On Jul 6, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Stuart Halloway wrote:
(1) Clojure APIs are very careful about parameter order.
And what if you want to use a function outside of the Clojure API?
This would be most likely java interop, ie. -.
Or a function *in* the
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
I'll make a list here of the reasons given for Yay/Nay so far:
Nay:
1) I haven't had a need for a general threading macro.
2) The response so far is negative (and consists of repeating point #1
above).
3) It would
Reading this thread, I realized how happy I was that I use a Lisp where
anyone can create
its own language construct with a new macro.
Greg, put that macro in a repository and in a jar on clojar, easily
accessible from lein,
and maybe people will use it. (I never had the need for something like
This would be most likely java interop, ie. -.
There the main arguments are 99% of the times the first or the last ones. So
- or - will work
OK, so what happens when one of the functions takes it in the front, and the
other in the back?
Or what happens when you're using a piece of code that
Thanks for the reply Nicolas!
I might do that if I have more to offer than a single macro, as of now I think
it'd be weird to create a clojar just for that.
It's easily accessible for anyone who searches the list though (or thinks of it
themselves, as others have done). :-)
The code is pretty
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
This would be most likely java interop, ie. -.
There the main arguments are 99% of the times the first or the last ones.
So - or - will work
OK, so what happens when one of the functions takes it in the front, and
the other
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Scott Jaderholm jaderh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
This would be most likely java interop, ie. -.
There the main arguments are 99% of the times the first or the last
ones. So - or - will work
OK, so
Hi,
Am 06.07.2010 um 23:24 schrieb Greg:
This would be most likely java interop, ie. -.
There the main arguments are 99% of the times the first or the last ones. So
- or - will work
OK, so what happens when one of the functions takes it in the front, and the
other in the back?
This
On 6 July 2010 22:02, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
Greg you're enthusiasm is appreciated. But this ML is filled with talented
and smart people who have an equal grasp of logic and reason who have been
using Clojure for a couple years now and they aren't clamoring to your nice
snippet of
On 6 July 2010 22:24, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
This would be most likely java interop, ie. -.
There the main arguments are 99% of the times the first or the last ones. So
- or - will work
OK, so what happens when one of the functions takes it in the front, and the
other in the
On Jul 6, 2010, at 5:24 PM, Greg wrote:
This would be most likely java interop, ie. -.
There the main arguments are 99% of the times the first or the last
ones. So - or - will work
OK, so what happens when one of the functions takes it in the front,
and the other in the back?
Or what
This works great for looking up classes:
http://dishevelled.net/Generating-Clojure-import-lines-using-SLIME.html
http://dishevelled.net/Generating-Clojure-import-lines-using-SLIME.htmlYou
can just call the function from the REPL if you don't use SLIME
Hope that helps
Hi,
Since some discussions related to counterclockwise have started on
this ml, I thought it would be best to report status related to these
discussions here.
I've implemented most of what have been discussed in version 0.0.59.RC2.
The precise list of fixed issues/enhancements can be consulted
Laurent PETIT laurent.pe...@gmail.com writes:
I think it's a good feature, *if* typing the closing bracket/paren just
resulted in cursoring over the one that'd already been inserted.
?
See the Emacs function `move-past-close-and-reindent'. It works as the
obvious counterpart to the function
As a Lisp newcomer (your trailing parens give you away)
I'm a newcomer to Clojure, not Lisp. I trail my parens because I think it
results in more readable code, and I'm pretty sure I have good reasons for
thinking so. They will continue to be trailed, and don't bother trying to
suggest
Now *that's* a reasonable and rational argument against including --. :-)
On second thought, I don't think it is.
I know I said I'd let it rest, and I *am* letting it rest in that I've resigned
myself to the understanding that you've made your decision and don't have plans
on changing it. But
On 7 July 2010 00:36, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
Again, even The Joy of Clojure points out that people use commas with - and
- to indicate the location of the parameter.
I've yet to see someone actually doing this (and I'm including the
Authors here).
Sincerely,
Michał
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On Jul 6, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Michał Marczyk wrote:
On 7 July 2010 00:36, Greg g...@kinostudios.com wrote:
Again, even The Joy of Clojure points out that people use commas
with - and - to indicate the location of the parameter.
I think that is a terrible practice and should be left out of
Once they read it, I think it becomes intuitive. Again, even The Joy
of Clojure points out that people use commas with - and - to
indicate the location of the parameter. This is no different, except it
Well The Joy of Clojure is clearly wrong! Actually, the latest
version says You can use the
I think that is a terrible practice and should be left out of the book.
Sold! It gives us enough room to put the infix example back in. :O
;-)
:f
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The use of the commas helped it to click for me a long time ago
And I don't think you should be ashamed to admit that.
The threading macros are not intuitive, and the comma trick *is* useful to help
in learning them.
Rich said:
I think that is a terrible practice and should be left out of
I think I've gotten too involved in this not-very-important debate for my own
good. :-D
So just FYI, this will be my last response. If you want a reply from me please
contact me off-list.
If I offended anyone, you have my apologies.
May the force be with you,
- Greg
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I thought my problem again. The import code is unavoidable. the clj-
imports script is really help :-)
On Jul 7, 6:17 am, Timothy Pratley timothyprat...@gmail.com wrote:
This works great for looking up
classes:http://dishevelled.net/Generating-Clojure-import-lines-using-SLIME.html
And I don't think you should be ashamed to admit that.
That's a relief! ;-)
helpful learning tool, or training wheels if you will, is not only
prudent, but shows that people find the placeholder syntax
of -- to be intuitive.
I should say that while I do think that the ,,, trick could be
Indentation in default structural mode would be nice.
The behavior for ), ], and } from strict structural mode should be
moved into default mode; without it, I have to do a lot of deleting
extra characters or manually move the cursor around, which makes
default mode almost unusable.
--
You
On Jul 6, 2010, at 10:07 , Thomas Kjeldahl Nilsson wrote:
Hello Heinz,
I'm currently playing around with Penumbra, an OpenGL wrapper for Clojure. It
cuts away some incidental complexity in OpenGL, renames/binds to
cleaner/simpler naming conventions and makes OpenGL feel more functional
Thanks for the heads up, (and for the compliment,) Laurent. I should
have checked it out more carefully beforehand. I'm probably going to
leave it as it is for now, until I see how much interest there is.
As you may have suspected, I'm an Emacs user and so don't know much
about Eclipse. But I
This thread has prompted me to accelerate my work on a wiki for
Clojure beginners. It's now up, with a discussion forum, a way for you
to contribute articles, and a link to my delicious.com Clojure links
(over 160!). Please check it out at
- http://www.gettingclojure.com
Please check it out.
2010/7/7 Brian Goslinga quickbasicg...@gmail.com:
Indentation in default structural mode would be nice.
The behavior for ), ], and } from strict structural mode should be
moved into default mode; without it, I have to do a lot of deleting
extra characters or manually move the cursor around,
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