Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-03-12 Thread David Jacobs
All of the feedback here was really helpful. As a followup, I wanted to let you know that my company is The Minerva Project, and we've been given $25 million to build a university. After a lot of back and forth about which technology we wanted to use on the product side, we ended up settling

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-09 Thread Ben Mabey
On 1/7/13 4:02 PM, David Jacobs wrote: What other tips do you have for convincing an employer that Clojure makes good business sense? (Of course I've already told them about domain-tailored abstractions, containing complexity, the ease of data manipulation with a functional language, etc.)

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Marko Topolnik
2. What are good examples of complex domains that have been tackled with Clojure web apps and API layers? At my company we have built an entire B2B platform that drives the exchange of business documents for my country's largest company. Our first production version was on Clojure 0.9 and

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Colin Yates
I would ask what problem would Clojure solve that the current technology X doesn't? There are no invalid answers to this, but it is important to understand *why* you want to move to Clojure. Perfectly valid answers might be: - our domain is best solved with functional programming and we want

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Colin Yates
(please ignore the atrocious speling mistax in my previous post - not enough sleep) On Tuesday, 8 January 2013 12:05:11 UTC, Colin Yates wrote: I would ask what problem would Clojure solve that the current technology X doesn't? There are no invalid answers to this, but it is important to

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Softaddicts
Many businesses are short term driven. The paradigm change so called cost is a good way to spread fud. However, it may be hard to analyze this solely on specific language features versus what benefits you may get. Here, we had a mixed Java/JRuby/Clojure code base since we went in production in

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread David Jacobs
Thanks for all of the feedback and suggestions, everyone. To clear one thing up, I'm working at an early-stage SF startup, so the alternatives are along the lines of Ruby/Python/Node, not Java. That said, I think these arguments are great -- I'll definitely share them with team. Cheers, David

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread David Jacobs
With the* team, that is. (Couldn't let that stay uncorrected heh. I hear ya, Colin, re: sleep.) On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:35:07 AM UTC-8, David Jacobs wrote: Thanks for all of the feedback and suggestions, everyone. To clear one thing up, I'm working at an early-stage SF startup, so the

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-08 Thread Peter Mancini
Our company was recently formed in stages. The first stage did a lot of research and decided we needed strong NLP tools and felt that the right direction to go with the NLP was Python. I had spent 7 years doing NLP and advised them on that aspect and had spent a lot of time doing NLP in

Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-07 Thread David Jacobs
Hey guys, As someone who's written Clojure for a couple of years now, I would love to convince my new company to build our platform using Clojure from the start. Clojure is certainly a possibility for our small team, but a few questions will have to be answered before I can convince everyone

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-07 Thread Sean Corfield
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM, David Jacobs da...@wit.io wrote: 1. Would it be harder to hire if we built our apps with Clojure? More specifically: Hiring for people who know about or already love Clojure/FP is certainly a nice filter for talent, but is it too stringent of a filter? What

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-07 Thread Gert Verhoog
On 8/01/2013, at 12:02 PM, David Jacobs wrote: 1. Would it be harder to hire if we built our apps with Clojure? More specifically: Hiring for people who know about or already love Clojure/FP is certainly a nice filter for talent, but is it too stringent of a filter? Finding really good

Re: Convincing employer to go for Clojure

2013-01-07 Thread Devin Walters
You say an employer without saying our employer. Without a doubt, a *team* must be convinced of Clojure first. Assuming your team is convinced, then my argument is this: You will attract better, smarter people by shifting your company toward Clojure. Avoiding it is comfortable, but ignoring