Re: Stus-List Geared folding props

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

No.  But my boat is only in the water (fresh water at that) for seven months at 
a time.

However one calm day last summer I eased her into a shallow cove so I could 
clean her bottom while standing on the lake bottom.  I realized too late I was 
in an area of grasses / algae / vegetation.  When I went to motor back to the 
marina, the prop was fouled and wouldn’t open all the way.  Once I was finally 
back in my slip after a very inefficient half hour of motoring, I dove the boat 
to unfoul the prop.  No fishing line or anything involved, just a bunch of 
vegetation wrapped around it and stuck in the gears.

I have a Gori folding prop (geared).  I grease the gear teeth with marine 
grease every launch.

Cheers,
Randy
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Feb 19, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, you all know I have a Martec on Touche' and, for the most part, am 
> satisfied with it.  However, if I did change, my inclination would be to 
> replace it with a geared 2 blade folder.  Especially since I think Martec 
> doesn't make non-geared folders anymore.
> 
> I have a SPECIFIC question for those who have a geared 2 blade folder.
> 
> With your geared 2 blade folder, have any of you noticed a failure to fully 
> open or close due to marine growth in the gears?
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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[Dave S via CnC-List]

I have a Gori 2 blade and no, no issues.  Fresh water boat though we (though 
not i, yet) do get zebra mussels and algae etc.
Happy with it, forward and reverse.  
Dave 33-2

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:
> 
> OK, you all know I have a Martec on Touche' and, for the most part, am 
> satisfied with it.  However, if I did change, my inclination would be to 
> replace it with a geared 2 blade folder.  Especially since I think Martec 
> doesn't make non-geared folders anymore.
> 
> I have a SPECIFIC question for those who have a geared 2 blade folder.
> 
> With your geared 2 blade folder, have any of you noticed a failure to fully 
> open or close due to marine growth in the gears?
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous UPDATE Oct 26, 27, 28

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'm in.  Hopefully, I'll be staying at my buddy's house 14 minutes from
City Dock.  Hopefully, the Admiral will also come.

Only 18 hour drive.  No biggie!

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Ok, dates for the 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous are all set.  The
> weekend of October 26,27,28.  Carmel and I will be available for multiple
> days on either side of the weekend and will be doing some Bay sailing in
> local areas - generally just hanging out if anyone wants to arrive early or
> stay late.  We have 20 responses who are attending and 10 coming by boat.
> There is roughly a 50/50 mix of those staying on moorings vs slips.  I can
> say that having been to Edd Schillay's NE Rendezvous it is great to tour
> everyone else's boats so I would encourage all the boaters to plan at least
> one day to get a slip and then stay on a mooring for any other nights if
> desired.
>
> The Annapolis Harbor Master needs all registrations in by March 31 in
> order to coordinate getting all the boats together.  You can negotiate your
> arrival and departure dates, power and water requirements, or mooring ball
> arrangements directly with the Harbor Master - Beth.  Let her know that you
> are attending the 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous.  They have a liberal
> and comprehensive cancelation policy posted on the registration form so
> register now even if there is a chance that you may cancel.
>
> https://www.annapolis.gov/165/Harbormaster
>
> https://www.annapolis.gov/1338/Dock-Reservation-Request
>
> As for our land based visitors the waterfront Marriott has an absolutely
> perfect location, however when I priced rooms they were exorbitant.  Y'all
> might have different luck when/if you call.
>
> https://g.co/kgs/V14Gvi
>
> Instead of the Marriott, an alternative might be the Historic Inns of
> Annapolis.
>
> https://g.co/kgs/eL7534
>
> Both hotels are centrally located and well within walking distance to the
> docking location.
>
> I have been approached regarding a possible sailing race which might
> include a half-hull model of the winner's boat as a prize!  I need
> volunteers to help arrange any of these add-ons.  I can act as a central
> coordinator but I can't manage it all.  Some other ideas might be a Naval
> Academy tour, group dinner, escape room dinner, shopping trip, swag bags,
> demonstrations, day sail to another port, etc.  If you come up with an idea
> and want to organize it then go ahead.  Uber and Lift are available and
> Carmel and I will probably arrange for one of our cars to be available for
> anyone who needs.
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Josh and Carmeletta Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2017 4:04 AM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>
>> Ok guys (and gals),
>>
>> The dates for the Annapolis Sailboat show have been released as well as
>> my work/vacation schedule for 2018.  You might remember that I had mapped
>> the distances which people were willing to drive and boat.  The resulting
>> area which attracted the most people was more or less a zone on the western
>> shore of the Chesapeake Bay between Annapolis and Solomons.
>>
>> The dates which I'm looking at are October 1st through the 8th (this
>> encompasses the sailboat show which is the 4th through the 8th) and October
>> 26th to the 1st.  If held during the later dates we can easily hold the
>> rendezvous in Annapolis since dockage and mooring won't be a problem.  If
>> held during the earlier dates (during the boat show) we could hold the
>> rendezvous at nearby towns within a 30 minute drive of the boat show.  I'm
>> personally leaning towards the later dates since Annapolis is such a great
>> town to visit and has such good boating amenities; It would be nice if
>> everyone had a chance to see it without the craziness of the boat show.  If
>> during the boat show is the preference then I was thinking that maybe
>> Herrington Harbor North or somewhere in Deal, MD would be nice.  For those
>> who want to attend the boat show Deal is only a 30 minute drive.  I'm sure
>> there are marinas elsewhere closer to Annapolis yet away from the crowds
>> that I'm not aware of.  I'm happy to hear everyones thoughts and
>> suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2017 11:17 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok guys here's a compilation of all the survey responses.
>>>
>>> Drive radius map
>>> 

Re: Stus-List 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous UPDATE Oct 26, 27, 28

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Ok, dates for the 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous are all set.  The
weekend of October 26,27,28.  Carmel and I will be available for multiple
days on either side of the weekend and will be doing some Bay sailing in
local areas - generally just hanging out if anyone wants to arrive early or
stay late.  We have 20 responses who are attending and 10 coming by boat.
There is roughly a 50/50 mix of those staying on moorings vs slips.  I can
say that having been to Edd Schillay's NE Rendezvous it is great to tour
everyone else's boats so I would encourage all the boaters to plan at least
one day to get a slip and then stay on a mooring for any other nights if
desired.

The Annapolis Harbor Master needs all registrations in by March 31 in order
to coordinate getting all the boats together.  You can negotiate your
arrival and departure dates, power and water requirements, or mooring ball
arrangements directly with the Harbor Master - Beth.  Let her know that you
are attending the 2018 Mid-Atlantic C Rendezvous.  They have a liberal
and comprehensive cancelation policy posted on the registration form so
register now even if there is a chance that you may cancel.

https://www.annapolis.gov/165/Harbormaster

https://www.annapolis.gov/1338/Dock-Reservation-Request

As for our land based visitors the waterfront Marriott has an absolutely
perfect location, however when I priced rooms they were exorbitant.  Y'all
might have different luck when/if you call.

https://g.co/kgs/V14Gvi

Instead of the Marriott, an alternative might be the Historic Inns of
Annapolis.

https://g.co/kgs/eL7534

Both hotels are centrally located and well within walking distance to the
docking location.

I have been approached regarding a possible sailing race which might
include a half-hull model of the winner's boat as a prize!  I need
volunteers to help arrange any of these add-ons.  I can act as a central
coordinator but I can't manage it all.  Some other ideas might be a Naval
Academy tour, group dinner, escape room dinner, shopping trip, swag bags,
demonstrations, day sail to another port, etc.  If you come up with an idea
and want to organize it then go ahead.  Uber and Lift are available and
Carmel and I will probably arrange for one of our cars to be available for
anyone who needs.


Warm regards,

Josh and Carmeletta Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD


On Dec 10, 2017 4:04 AM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> Ok guys (and gals),
>
> The dates for the Annapolis Sailboat show have been released as well as my
> work/vacation schedule for 2018.  You might remember that I had mapped the
> distances which people were willing to drive and boat.  The resulting area
> which attracted the most people was more or less a zone on the western
> shore of the Chesapeake Bay between Annapolis and Solomons.
>
> The dates which I'm looking at are October 1st through the 8th (this
> encompasses the sailboat show which is the 4th through the 8th) and October
> 26th to the 1st.  If held during the later dates we can easily hold the
> rendezvous in Annapolis since dockage and mooring won't be a problem.  If
> held during the earlier dates (during the boat show) we could hold the
> rendezvous at nearby towns within a 30 minute drive of the boat show.  I'm
> personally leaning towards the later dates since Annapolis is such a great
> town to visit and has such good boating amenities; It would be nice if
> everyone had a chance to see it without the craziness of the boat show.  If
> during the boat show is the preference then I was thinking that maybe
> Herrington Harbor North or somewhere in Deal, MD would be nice.  For those
> who want to attend the boat show Deal is only a 30 minute drive.  I'm sure
> there are marinas elsewhere closer to Annapolis yet away from the crowds
> that I'm not aware of.  I'm happy to hear everyones thoughts and
> suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Sep 15, 2017 11:17 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:
>
>> Ok guys here's a compilation of all the survey responses.
>>
>> Drive radius map
>> 

Re: Stus-List Geared folding props

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Flex-o-fold, no issues opening in forward, a quick shot of power opens fine in 
reverse, less prop walk than the fixed 2 blades it replaced.

Paul

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 5:52:11 PM
To: CnClist
Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Stus-List Geared folding props

OK, you all know I have a Martec on Touche' and, for the most part, am 
satisfied with it.  However, if I did change, my inclination would be to 
replace it with a geared 2 blade folder.  Especially since I think Martec 
doesn't make non-geared folders anymore.

I have a SPECIFIC question for those who have a geared 2 blade folder.

With your geared 2 blade folder, have any of you noticed a failure to fully 
open or close due to marine growth in the gears?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Geared folding props

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Flex-o-fold, and no.  However: a) I’ve only had mine on for one season; b) I 
noticed at the end of the season that it did not open and close as smoothly as 
it did when first installed (although it appeared to be working fine); and c) 
I’m on Lake Erie, so my marine growth is not the same as yours.  

From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 5:52 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Geared folding props

OK, you all know I have a Martec on Touche' and, for the most part, am 
satisfied with it.  However, if I did change, my inclination would be to 
replace it with a geared 2 blade folder.  Especially since I think Martec 
doesn't make non-geared folders anymore. 

I have a SPECIFIC question for those who have a geared 2 blade folder. 

With your geared 2 blade folder, have any of you noticed a failure to fully 
open or close due to marine growth in the gears?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Stus-List Geared folding props

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

OK, you all know I have a Martec on Touche' and, for the most part, am
satisfied with it.  However, if I did change, my inclination would be to
replace it with a geared 2 blade folder.  Especially since I think Martec
doesn't make non-geared folders anymore.

I have a SPECIFIC question for those who have a geared 2 blade folder.

With your geared 2 blade folder, have any of you noticed a failure to fully
open or close due to marine growth in the gears?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Florida's Emerald Coast

[Edward Levert via CnC-List]

Putting away skies and snow boards is an understatement for the current
temperatures on the northern Gulf Coast. We have pulled out the shorts! The
south shore of Lake Pontchartrain cannot touch the Florida Panhandle which
was well described in the magazine article, but it was surely enviting for
a Mardi Gras Day sail and another last evening. 2 other C's, 39 Soverign,
and 27 Windhorse shared the lake on Mardi Gras.

Dennis - enjoy your time aboard plus bushwhacked. I need to get to the
Panhandle soon.

Ed Levert
C 34 Briarpatch
New Orleans

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 4:01 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Drink with vanilla ice cream, light and dark rum, Kahlua topped with 151
> rum.  Recipe approximate, varies with establishment.
>
> Invented at the Sandshaker Bar on Pensacola Beach.  Refined by the sailing
> community.  Obligatory drink at Pensacola Yacht Club after the Gulfport to
> Pensacola distance race.  Skipper usually buys 1st pitcher of
> Bushwhackers.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:39 PM, rshibe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> What’s a Bushwacker?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2018, at 16:30, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dennis,
>>
>> Switching to sailing mode as I type. Just finished packing for a 4:00 AM
>> departure to Sarasota. Florida for the Corsair Nationals. Two days practice
>> on Wednesday and Thursday. Three days of racing starting Friday.
>>
>> Push Touche’ a bit longer and further South and I’ll stand you to a beer!
>>
>> Best,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>>
>> P.S. Dark and Stormy’s for me...
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Time to put away the skis and snowboard and switch to sailing mode.
>> Haven't been on Touche' since mid-January.  Planning to head over to
>> Pensacola Wednesday for a couple days on the boat.
>>
>> Found this article while doing some "web sailing".  Interesting that the
>> charter company rented a C 30.  Well, at least it can get under the
>> Navarre Beach Bridge.  Touche' is a wee bit too tall to chance it.
>>
>> http://www.ecsailing.com/ecy_cruising_la1.htm
>>
>> The article mentions Juana's Pagodas in Navarre.  (
>> http://www.juanaspagodas.com/)  I'm hoping to anchor overnight there
>> Thursday night.  Fun place.  Sip a beer or a Bushwhacker and watch Touche'
>> sitting at anchor.  Breakfast at Sailor's Grill Friday morning.  You guys
>> can keep your Pusser's and your Dark and Stormy's, it's a Bushwhacker for
>> me.
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Francois,

 

It’s great to hear that someone else has had good experience with the Martec 
prop.  I’m happy with mine.  I will be sending it in for the first rebuild.  
I’ve owned the boat for 18 years and this is the first time it will be needed.  
Of course, in those 18 years I’ve only logged 800 hours of motoring…

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA



 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Francois 
Rivard via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 14:34
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
Cc: Francois Rivard 
Subject: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

 

Hi Bruce, 

 

I have a Martec folder on my boat (34+ also called 34/36) which is your boat's 
little sister.  

 

We've been using it for 3 seasons and it's world of difference in sailing speed 
compared to a fixed 3 blades.  It's measurably better in all conditions.  

 

What you need to get it going:  

 

- Martec is a phone call away and they are helpful the founder / inventor's son 
is probably going to be the guy you talk to.  He's pretty knowledgeable. 

 

- When I did it a couple years back, sending the blade axis to get reamed / new 
pin / new Monel cotter pin was $80.00 plus shipping.  A steal.

 

- The Monel cotter pin is an absolute must.  I would not trust what came with 
the boat, order one.  Most people don't know the difference and think that 
Stainless can't corrode. It can and does under water, especially when in 
constant contact with dissimilar metals like a bronze prop. The stainless steal 
pin will fail overtime causing the whole thing to fall apart.  No such issues 
with Monel.  

 

- Don't let him try and talk you into "upgrading" the blades to more pitch.  We 
did / had tons of vibrations / ended up using the old blades which work much 
better 

 

How it performs

 

- Forward top speed under power is the same as the 3 bladed prop

 

- If it's in good shape / with the right blades it doesn't vibrate that much

 

- Reverse is weak and takes patience to get the prop to reverse direction / re 
deploy both blades correctly.  Not much of an emergency brake

 

- You have to go in the engine compartment and look at the shaft position to 
make sure the prop is folded with blades horizontal for max speed when racing. 
If they are vertical the lower one will hang down / drag.  There should be a 
mark on the shaft.  I found that if I stop the engine with the transmission in 
gear, the prop is almost always lined-up properly

 

- The prop is known to be the least drag prop when folded for sailing 

 

- Some say that they become loose quickly / need frequent rebuilds.  I have 
used it 3 years (we sail all year long in GA too)  / check it whenever we go 
swimming / so far it's still slop free. 

 

For us on the lake, it works fine. We don't motor very long distances I 
typically burn about 20-30 gallons of fuel per year.  For us, it's more about 
top speed sailing  / we race a fair amount  / it fits the bill / it's 
inexpensive. 

 

Best of luck / email me if you need more details.  

 

-Francois Rivard

1990 34+ "Take Five" 

Lake Lanier, GA

 

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Re: Stus-List Florida's Emerald Coast

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Drink with vanilla ice cream, light and dark rum, Kahlua topped with 151
rum.  Recipe approximate, varies with establishment.

Invented at the Sandshaker Bar on Pensacola Beach.  Refined by the sailing
community.  Obligatory drink at Pensacola Yacht Club after the Gulfport to
Pensacola distance race.  Skipper usually buys 1st pitcher of
Bushwhackers.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:39 PM, rshibe via CnC-List 
wrote:

> What’s a Bushwacker?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 19, 2018, at 16:30, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> Switching to sailing mode as I type. Just finished packing for a 4:00 AM
> departure to Sarasota. Florida for the Corsair Nationals. Two days practice
> on Wednesday and Thursday. Three days of racing starting Friday.
>
> Push Touche’ a bit longer and further South and I’ll stand you to a beer!
>
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> P.S. Dark and Stormy’s for me...
>
> On Feb 19, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Time to put away the skis and snowboard and switch to sailing mode.
> Haven't been on Touche' since mid-January.  Planning to head over to
> Pensacola Wednesday for a couple days on the boat.
>
> Found this article while doing some "web sailing".  Interesting that the
> charter company rented a C 30.  Well, at least it can get under the
> Navarre Beach Bridge.  Touche' is a wee bit too tall to chance it.
>
> http://www.ecsailing.com/ecy_cruising_la1.htm
>
> The article mentions Juana's Pagodas in Navarre.  (
> http://www.juanaspagodas.com/)  I'm hoping to anchor overnight there
> Thursday night.  Fun place.  Sip a beer or a Bushwhacker and watch Touche'
> sitting at anchor.  Breakfast at Sailor's Grill Friday morning.  You guys
> can keep your Pusser's and your Dark and Stormy's, it's a Bushwhacker for
> me.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Florida's Emerald Coast

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Over shoot your downwind mark and I'll buy you a Bushwhacker.  Good luck!

Dennis C.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 3:30 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> Switching to sailing mode as I type. Just finished packing for a 4:00 AM
> departure to Sarasota. Florida for the Corsair Nationals. Two days practice
> on Wednesday and Thursday. Three days of racing starting Friday.
>
> Push Touche’ a bit longer and further South and I’ll stand you to a beer!
>
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> P.S. Dark and Stormy’s for me...
>
> On Feb 19, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Time to put away the skis and snowboard and switch to sailing mode.
> Haven't been on Touche' since mid-January.  Planning to head over to
> Pensacola Wednesday for a couple days on the boat.
>
> Found this article while doing some "web sailing".  Interesting that the
> charter company rented a C 30.  Well, at least it can get under the
> Navarre Beach Bridge.  Touche' is a wee bit too tall to chance it.
>
> http://www.ecsailing.com/ecy_cruising_la1.htm
>
> The article mentions Juana's Pagodas in Navarre.  (
> http://www.juanaspagodas.com/)  I'm hoping to anchor overnight there
> Thursday night.  Fun place.  Sip a beer or a Bushwhacker and watch Touche'
> sitting at anchor.  Breakfast at Sailor's Grill Friday morning.  You guys
> can keep your Pusser's and your Dark and Stormy's, it's a Bushwhacker for
> me.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List Florida's Emerald Coast

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 

 Now you guys are showing off!   Here in the middle part of the mud we have 
flooding conditionshave to move all of the furniture and appliances to 
higher ground...uhg.  so sail well and have several for me!


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Dave Godwin 
Sent: Mon, Feb 19, 2018 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Florida's Emerald Coast


Dennis,


Switching to sailing mode as I type. Just finished packing for a 4:00 AM 
departure to Sarasota. Florida for the Corsair Nationals. Two days practice on 
Wednesday and Thursday. Three days of racing starting Friday.


Push Touche’ a bit longer and further South and I’ll stand you to a beer!


Best,




Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit





P.S.Dark and Stormy’s for me...


On Feb 19, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:


Time to put away the skis and snowboard and switch to sailing mode.  Haven't 
been on Touche' since mid-January.  Planning to head over to Pensacola 
Wednesday for a couple days on the boat.


Found this article while doing some "web sailing".  Interesting that the 
charter company rented a C 30.  Well, at least it can get under the Navarre 
Beach Bridge.  Touche' is a wee bit too tall to chance it.


http://www.ecsailing.com/ecy_cruising_la1.htm



The article mentions Juana's Pagodas in Navarre.  
(http://www.juanaspagodas.com/)  I'm hoping to anchor overnight there Thursday 
night.  Fun place.  Sip a beer or a Bushwhacker and watch Touche' sitting at 
anchor.  Breakfast at Sailor's Grill Friday morning.  You guys can keep your 
Pusser's and your Dark and Stormy's, it's a Bushwhacker for me.  


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





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Re: Stus-List Florida's Emerald Coast

[rshibe via CnC-List]

What’s a Bushwacker?

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 19, 2018, at 16:30, Dave Godwin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Dennis,
> 
> Switching to sailing mode as I type. Just finished packing for a 4:00 AM 
> departure to Sarasota. Florida for the Corsair Nationals. Two days practice 
> on Wednesday and Thursday. Three days of racing starting Friday.
> 
> Push Touche’ a bit longer and further South and I’ll stand you to a beer!
> 
> Best,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
> 
> P.S.  Dark and Stormy’s for me...
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Time to put away the skis and snowboard and switch to sailing mode.  Haven't 
>> been on Touche' since mid-January.  Planning to head over to Pensacola 
>> Wednesday for a couple days on the boat.
>> 
>> Found this article while doing some "web sailing".  Interesting that the 
>> charter company rented a C 30.  Well, at least it can get under the 
>> Navarre Beach Bridge.  Touche' is a wee bit too tall to chance it.
>> 
>> http://www.ecsailing.com/ecy_cruising_la1.htm
>> 
>> The article mentions Juana's Pagodas in Navarre.  
>> (http://www.juanaspagodas.com/)  I'm hoping to anchor overnight there 
>> Thursday night.  Fun place.  Sip a beer or a Bushwhacker and watch Touche' 
>> sitting at anchor.  Breakfast at Sailor's Grill Friday morning.  You guys 
>> can keep your Pusser's and your Dark and Stormy's, it's a Bushwhacker for 
>> me.  
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Florida's Emerald Coast

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Dennis,

Switching to sailing mode as I type. Just finished packing for a 4:00 AM 
departure to Sarasota. Florida for the Corsair Nationals. Two days practice on 
Wednesday and Thursday. Three days of racing starting Friday.

Push Touche’ a bit longer and further South and I’ll stand you to a beer!

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

P.S.Dark and Stormy’s for me...

> On Feb 19, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Time to put away the skis and snowboard and switch to sailing mode.  Haven't 
> been on Touche' since mid-January.  Planning to head over to Pensacola 
> Wednesday for a couple days on the boat.
> 
> Found this article while doing some "web sailing".  Interesting that the 
> charter company rented a C 30.  Well, at least it can get under the Navarre 
> Beach Bridge.  Touche' is a wee bit too tall to chance it.
> 
> http://www.ecsailing.com/ecy_cruising_la1.htm 
> 
> 
> The article mentions Juana's Pagodas in Navarre.  
> (http://www.juanaspagodas.com/ )  I'm hoping 
> to anchor overnight there Thursday night.  Fun place.  Sip a beer or a 
> Bushwhacker and watch Touche' sitting at anchor.  Breakfast at Sailor's Grill 
> Friday morning.  You guys can keep your Pusser's and your Dark and Stormy's, 
> it's a Bushwhacker for me.  
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Time to put away the skis and snowboard and switch to sailing mode.
Haven't been on Touche' since mid-January.  Planning to head over to
Pensacola Wednesday for a couple days on the boat.

Found this article while doing some "web sailing".  Interesting that the
charter company rented a C 30.  Well, at least it can get under the
Navarre Beach Bridge.  Touche' is a wee bit too tall to chance it.

http://www.ecsailing.com/ecy_cruising_la1.htm

The article mentions Juana's Pagodas in Navarre.  (
http://www.juanaspagodas.com/)  I'm hoping to anchor overnight there
Thursday night.  Fun place.  Sip a beer or a Bushwhacker and watch Touche'
sitting at anchor.  Breakfast at Sailor's Grill Friday morning.  You guys
can keep your Pusser's and your Dark and Stormy's, it's a Bushwhacker for
me.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Bruce,

I have a Martec folder on my boat (34+ also called 34/36) which is your
boat's little sister.

We've been using it for 3 seasons and it's world of difference in sailing
speed compared to a fixed 3 blades.  It's measurably better in all
conditions.

What you need to get it going:

- Martec is a phone call away and they are helpful the founder / inventor's
son is probably going to be the guy you talk to.  He's pretty
knowledgeable.

- When I did it a couple years back, sending the blade axis to get reamed /
new pin / new Monel cotter pin was $80.00 plus shipping.  A steal.

- The Monel cotter pin is an absolute must.  I would not trust what came
with the boat, order one.  Most people don't know the difference and think
that Stainless can't corrode. It can and does under water, especially when
in constant contact with dissimilar metals like a bronze prop. The
stainless steal pin will fail overtime causing the whole thing to fall
apart.  No such issues with Monel.

- Don't let him try and talk you into "upgrading" the blades to more
pitch.  We did / had tons of vibrations / ended up using the old blades
which work much better

How it performs

- Forward top speed under power is the same as the 3 bladed prop

- If it's in good shape / with the right blades it doesn't vibrate that much

- Reverse is weak and takes patience to get the prop to reverse direction /
re deploy both blades correctly.  Not much of an emergency brake

- You have to go in the engine compartment and look at the shaft position
to make sure the prop is folded with blades horizontal for max speed when
racing. If they are vertical the lower one will hang down / drag.  There
should be a mark on the shaft.  I found that if I stop the engine with the
transmission in gear, the prop is almost always lined-up properly

- The prop is known to be the least drag prop when folded for sailing

- Some say that they become loose quickly / need frequent rebuilds.  I have
used it 3 years (we sail all year long in GA too)  / check it whenever we
go swimming / so far it's still slop free.

For us on the lake, it works fine. We don't motor very long distances I
typically burn about 20-30 gallons of fuel per year.  For us, it's more
about top speed sailing  / we race a fair amount  / it fits the bill / it's
inexpensive.

Best of luck / email me if you need more details.

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA


Subject: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

Hello all,

I have a fixed, 3 bladed prop on Astralis currently, and suspect that its
slowing us down here in Florida where we just don't get the wind like we
did on Lake Michigan, so we rarely see much over 12 kts or so.  I'm
thinking I'd like to get a little more speed out of her, and one area of
improvement could be the fixed prop.

In the pile of old parts that the prior owner left us, I found an old, and
obviously used Martec Eliptec RH18DX12P-3, two blade folding prop (it is
not geared).  I have the blades and hub, but at the moment cannot find the
center pin.  It seems like Martec may still be in the business of repairing
these props.

I've read some of the various reviews, and I understand there are better
solutions out there, but clearly I'd be dropping a few boat bucks to pull
it off.

Do any of you have direct experience with the Martec Eliptec, and can
advise me whether I'll hate this thing from a performance or vibration
point of view if I get a pin and put it on the boat?

I am OK with somewhat limited reverse, but would be anxious if I was giving
up a lot of forward power.  And, I really don't want a lot of vibration,
especially if it's going to do things like tear up the cutlass bearing.

Thanks for your insights!

Bruce C. Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+, "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
847.404.5092
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Stus-List Connecrion/hose leak, shower handle to head

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Bruce,

That dark grey “stripe” that goes around the entire head is removable. It’s 
big, and you’ll need someone to help so it doesn’t break, but, once off, you 
will have access to the shower controls, as well as the sink faucet and holding 
tank. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 








> On Feb 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, bwhitmore via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> We have a 1994 C 37/40 + where the shower temperature handle to shower head 
> hose is leaking. Though there is an access port it is not large enough to see 
> or fix the problem.   
> 
> Has anyone fixed this sort of problem before?
> 
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> Bruce Whitmore 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Connecrion/hose leak, shower handle to head

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Never had to tackle this job but I've feared the day I might.  Don't forget
about the possibility of getting to it from the aft cabin.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Feb 19, 2018 12:58 PM, "bwhitmore via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We have a 1994 C 37/40 + where the shower temperature handle to shower
> head hose is leaking. Though there is an access port it is not large enough
> to see or fix the problem.
>
> Has anyone fixed this sort of problem before?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
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Stus-List Connecrion/hose leak, shower handle to head

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Hello all,
We have a 1994 C 37/40 + where the shower temperature handle to shower head 
hose is leaking. Though there is an access port it is not large enough to see 
or fix the problem.   
Has anyone fixed this sort of problem before?

Thank you, 
Bruce Whitmore 

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 The boat I have shared with a friend is being sold.  How do I unfriend from 
this list.  It has been great but time to move on.
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Re: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Hi Rick

I have a 10 year old Martec elliptical RHDH14P-3 one inch shaft that I replaced 
with a Flex-o-fold last year. This was used with Yanmar 3GM30F.   It is 
available

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 1:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Brass
Subject: Re: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

Bruce;

My 38, Imzadi, came with a 16x10 ½ RH Martec prop when I bought her in 2003. 
16x10 ½ was the prop recommended for my 15,000lb boat with a 36hp engine and 
whatever gear reduction I have. I was quite pleased with the performance. It 
would get hull speed (about 7.2 kn) at 2400 RPM and reach 3000 in a pinch. It 
took me a month or two to learn the trick to reverse: Hit the throttle high to 
unfold the prop (with moderate forward speed and moderate throttle, the flow of 
water keeps the prop partly closed... so performance sucks), once the boat is 
moving aft fast enough for flow over the rudder you shift into neutral and 
steer with the rudder. I've been backing into my slips for 14 years and have 
only hit the dock a couple of times. BTW, the prop does give a fair amount of 
prop walk.

My prop must have been near the end of its third life, because after a couple 
of years one of the "ears" in the hub broke and I had to replace the prop with 
a 2 blade fixed prop of the  same diameter and pitch. I found that I lost about 
½ knot of boat speed when sailing in light to moderate winds.

I bought a used Martec that was 17x10 and had Martec refurb it. I was greatly 
over propped, and could barely get to 2000RPM. Also had a vibration because the 
prop tips were too close to the bottom of the boat, I think.

I replaced that Martec prop with a Gori geared prop: Their recommended prop is 
a 16 ½ x10 was still overpropped because of the blade profile, and frankly, 
after 3 years of use, I was more satisfied with the Martec. When I  discussed 
the overprop situation with them while the boat was being painted last winter, 
they said that the 10 pitch was the lowest they had in the 16 ½ diameter, and 
going to a smaller diameter would involve getting a whole new propeller. At 
their suggestion I had a local shop trim 1/2'" from the tip of each blade. It 
is better, but still not as good as the Martec.

You mention that your prop is 18x12, which seems like a lot of prop depending 
on your engine max RPM and HP, gear reduction, and boat weight. Before you 
spend money on reconditioning the prop, you might want to ask Martec what prop 
diameter and pitch they recommend for your boat.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bruce via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Stus-List Help with folding prop insights?

Hello all,

I have a fixed, 3 bladed prop on Astralis currently, and suspect that its 
slowing us down here in Florida where we just don't get the wind like we did on 
Lake Michigan, so we rarely see much over 12 kts or so.  I'm thinking I'd like 
to get a little more speed out of her, and one area of improvement could be the 
fixed prop.

In the pile of old parts that the prior owner left us, I found an old, and 
obviously used Martec Eliptec RH18DX12P-3, two blade folding prop (it is not 
geared).  I have the blades and hub, but at the moment cannot find the center 
pin.  It seems like Martec may still be in the business of repairing these 
props.

I've read some of the various reviews, and I understand there are better 
solutions out there, but clearly I'd be dropping a few boat bucks to pull it 
off.

Do any of you have direct experience with the Martec Eliptec, and can advise me 
whether I'll hate this thing from a performance or vibration point of view if I 
get a pin and put it on the boat?

I am OK with somewhat limited reverse, but would be anxious if I was giving up 
a lot of forward power.  And, I really don't want a lot of vibration, 
especially if it's going to do things like tear up the cutlass bearing.

Thanks for your insights!

Bruce C. Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+, "Astralis"
Madeira Beach, FL
847.404.5092
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net

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Re: Stus-List Raymarine i50 & i60 installation tips?

[Paul via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone for your input. The Aqua Signal connector looks like a great 
idea as we take down the mast every year for haul out. 

Paul Saxton
Boomerang
C 29 Mk 1
Toronto, ON

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> On Feb 18, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Paul Fountain  wrote:
> 
> We use one of these on the wind cable to facilitate the removal of the mast 
> instead of the white box.
> 
> https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=680929 
> 
> Paul
>  
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Frederick G 
> Street via CnC-List 
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:43:54 PM
> To: Jim Reinardy via CnC-List
> Cc: Frederick G Street
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine i50 & i60 installation tips?
>  
> Paul — Ken is absolutely correct (as usual…) about the white wind vane cable 
> connection box.  As far as other installation tips, you can daisy-chain the 
> instruments per the manual to share data across them.  You will need to 
> provide a power connection on the SeaTalkNG bus to power them; and you will 
> need to properly terminate the bus in order for it to work reliably.  If 
> you’re tying in with an autopilot or MFD, that will make the SeaTalkNG bus 
> more complicated.
> 
> Contact me if you need more info.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 8:11 AM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
>> 
>> The small white junction box is if you need to cut the wire at the base of 
>> the mast to allow the mast to be removed from the boat without pulling the 
>> wind Sensor cable all the way back to the instrument.  You don't need to 
>> install the white box right away, you could leave a couple of loops in the 
>> cable near the mast base and run the wire to the wind instrument.  You could 
>> cut the cable and install the junction box later if you need to pull the 
>> mast.  When you do, you just bare the wires and insert into the little 
>> terminals and tighten the screws.
>> 
>> There should be small spade connectors included in the kit to crimp onto the 
>> cable at the back of the instrument.
>> 
>> Ken H.
> 
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