Any more on this years rendezvous I seem to remember that Newport is the
site.
John Maturo
Ashe Baltic 39
Branford ct
203-494-6782
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I just ordered a new (2nd) jib halyard and a replacement line for the
second reef from them - pretty good prices and free shipping! I got 5/16
Yale Crystalyne - I'll let you know how it goes. We went out for a quick
sail on Sunday - lots of wind! Now back in the yard to let them mount the
new
In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery (Group 27) per my earlier
post (no marine stores open after 6 on Saturdays)
Then I decided to get a replacement for my dead Lifeline AGM battery.
Of course, Murphy lurking about, I realized that my Zantrex Truecharge 40 wants
all the
Two choices:
1. Buy a cheap small charger for the house battery.
2. Sacrifice the long term well-being of the cheap wet-cell starting
battery and set your charging parameters for the expensive AGM house bank. AGM
voltages are close enough that the start battery lifespan will likely
Use an echo charger to charge the starting battery, and the Xantrex for the
house bank.
http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/power-accessories/auxiliary-battery-charger.aspx
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Charlie,
You would need both a smart charger and a smart regulator. Stick to one
kind. You can buy a lot of batteries for the price of all that!
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:47 AM, via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
In a pinch, I recently bought a 'starting' battery
The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of view
is to have a dedicated starting battery that does nothing else but start the
engine, and a house battery that can be several batteries in parallel. Ideally
the house batteries will all be identical. I feed the
There's a nice shot of Jake's 35/3 on page 90 of the current edition of
Spinsheet.
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I would just charge the wet cell as an AGM - very similar parameters anyway.
It won’t live as long but it’s not exactly the biggest investment you’ll ever
make.
On the AGM, look for one labeled “dual purpose”. These are designed for the
life and cycles of a deep discharge but offer near the
Also: the AC charger, and any other charging devices such as wind or solar,
are connected to the house bank in the same manner as the alternator, and will
charge all batteries as needed.
Rich
On May 5, 2014, at 11:38, Rich Knowles via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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The best
Rich,
Please do send around a diagram. I’m planning to do something similar —
a 27 starting battery (as battery #2) and a 31 house bank (as battery#1).
When I want to start and run the engine, I will do so on ALL. That way
the alternator will charge both batteries. When sailing
Rich
Please e mail schematic. Thanks
Frank
LF 38 Annapolis
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On May 5, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List
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The best method I have found and the least problematic from all points of
view is to have a dedicated starting battery that
Richwrote:
I feed the alternator directly to the house battery and use a device such as a
Xantrex EchoCharge, a small regulator, to keep the start battery charged.
That's how I wired mine. It works fine with both the alternator and
battery charger.
Wal
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Rich, is the relay via a the regulator to the start battery only in the case
you have different type or size of battery or is there any advantage to add it
with two lead-acid size 31, or any same size/type ? My alternator is wired to
both 31 as my Guest chargepro 10 amp. Don't know if it adust
Hi Bruno. I sent you the diagram. There is no need to charge both batteries
from the alternator or shore power charger with my suggested setup. If the
starter battery needs charging, the EchoCharge takes care of it. Also, you
don’t have to switch anything other than turning the battery switch
Edd,
I don’t want to start a discussion on how to charge the batteries (as this
would be off topic), but starting from the ALL position has some major
disadvantages. One is that you might be hiding a problem with your starting
battery; two is that if one battery is weak, you would be charging
Marek,
Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I
connect it?
The previous owner had two house bank 31s and a starter battery hooked
up parallel to one of them. That starter battery turned out to be dead and was
dragging the other down.
I
Here's the manual.
http://www.xantrex.com/documents/Accessories/Auxiliary-Battery-Charger/Echo-charge-OwnerGuide(445-0204-01-01).pdf
if that's too long for your email
http://tinyurl.com/pmbtquj
Very interesting. What exactly is an echo charger and how would I
connect it?
Edd,
I am far from being an expert on charging systems, so whatever I say here is
based on my personal experience and what I have found from others.
The echo charger is a Xantrex device (I bet that others make one like that, as
well). WM sells it here:
Save yourself some trouble.use all deep cycle batteries, 2 golf cart 6V
units connected in series if possible or 2 deep cycle group 27's, use the
selector switch to charge one bank at a time from the alternator.works for
me and seems quite simple.those 12V deep cycle batteries have way more than
In short, an Echo Charge is a simple regulator that derives it's input voltage
from a battery connected to a charging source. It's output is connected to a
secondary battery such as an engine start or windlass battery. If the input
voltage rises above 3.4 volts, as I recall, the
Rich
On May
To
Rich
On May 5, 2014, at 15:52, Rich Knowles via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
wrote:
In short, an Echo Charge is a simple regulator that derives it's input
voltage from a battery connected to a charging source. It's output is
connected to a secondary battery such as an engine
Rich,
I think I get it now. If I have my starter battery as #2, I start the
engine with #2 only (not ALL). This echo-charger could take the Alternator
charge going into #2 and also charge #1.
Do I have that right?
If so, I gots me some wiring to do….
To finish, doggone phones, if the input voltage rises above a preset threshold
voltage indicating charge current is available, and the auxiliary battery
voltage is below a preset level, the Echo Charge will send up to 15 Amps of
charge current to the auxiliary battery. Once it is charged, the
OK… maybe I don’t get it. I just read the manual and could use some collective
wisdom from the group.
Here goes.. The House battery is #1 (a deep cycle 31) and the starter battery
is #2 (a 27). The manual says I should connect this to the House battery, which
will, when charging, send power
Almost:) connect the alternator directly to your house battery and make that
battery 1.
Rich
On May 5, 2014, at 16:28, Edd Schillay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Rich,
I think I get it now. If I have my starter battery as #2, I start the
engine with #2 only (not
Edd,
I just added an automatic charging relay (available in this kit
http://www.bluesea.com/products/7650/Add-A-Battery_Kit_-_120A) to replace
the two separate banks that I had previously (2 x 27 deep cycle / 1 x 24).
This is similar to the echo charge. Rewiring wasn't too complicated as
the
I think my alternator is set up to charge whatever batteries I have on my
selector switch… Any way to do this without running new wires from my
alternator?
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
The Echo Charger has an input and an output side. As Rich mentions the input
side is connected to the batteries which are receiving the charge via
alternator and charger. The output side connected to the battery which
typically has no other charging source. The additional comments are that the
Bottom line is that the house battery is the one that gets discharged and will
soak up most of any available charge current. The engine start battery on an
average max. 5 second start cycle will be depleted about 1 or two amp hours, an
insignificant amount that is probably replenished in a few
A-ha That’s the piece of the puzzle I wasn’t getting.
OK… time to rewire.
Rich Knowles?? I don’t think so, From now on you’ll be Rich Knowmore to me.
Hot damn, I love this list. Thanks to Stu, too.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship
Nothing wrong with that. It works for those who pay good attention to
switching and consumption. For those who don't, it's an invitation for trouble.
Rich
On May 5, 2014, at 15:07, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
Save yourself some trouble…use all deep cycle batteries, 2
Marek, this is not a money issue. It's merely a way of making sure that all
batteries get due attention and are properly charged. All the people I've
converted to this system have never been stuck for power to start their
engines.
The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is really wrong, it's
There are any number of ways to wire a boat. I have changed a few things, but I
have always stuck with the principle that I can turn every light on, go ashore
for a few days, and then come back to a dead house battery and hit the starter
button and have the engine start right up and charge both
I installed a Balmar Digital Duo. Same as Echo Charger but apparently without
the BS of a poorly written Manual.
It has been a fool proof system for over 7 years
David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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On May 5, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Adam Marks via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many
Hope springs
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On May 5, 2014, at 4:07 PM,
Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was
intuitively obvious, but then again most manuals say things like to
avoid electrocution, don't connect this equipment on a live circuit
VBG so he probably has a point.
You wrote:
The rant is just that. A rant. Nothing is
you wrote:
Can I stop these somehow? Did not realize I would get so many emails everyday
Well, you can set up your email system so you don't get them on your
telephone. Call me a Luddite, but I think telephones are for talking
and computers are for email.
On a computer, you can delete
His rant made me think that a box of nails should include instructions on how
to build a house.
Rich
On May 5, 2014, at 20:12, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Yeah, I read it and agree with all points. I just thought it was intuitively
obvious, but then again most
The instructions come with the hammer
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His rant made me think that a box
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