Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
I needed it when it became necessary to re-engineer the pickup tube for the pump out. The old one had become disconnected so despite thinking we had evacuated the tank it was still about 80% full. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Dec 5, 2016 6:49 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > And the reason you want a hole large enough to stick you hand in a holding > tank is? > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016 6:28 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > A "hand hole" is an inspection hole with a cover large enough to get a > hand through. A "manhole" is larger allowing a man to get through. > > On December 5, 2016 at 2:08 PM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Inspection plate??? > > *From:* David via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent:* Monday, December 05, 2016 11:54 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* David <davidrisc...@msn.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat > > Errr...what is a "hand hole"? > > > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone > > > Original message > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 12/4/16 19:44 (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat > > My holding tank is plastic but the hand hole came loose and was a > considerable pain in the ass to fix. The forward water tank in mine is > aluminum and the fuel tank is aluminum. The back stay attachments are a > place for detailed inspection. You'll probably find that the steering > cable idlers plate, directly under the pedestal, is probably badly rusted. > It should be one of the first safety repairs. The engine mounts may be > soft and in need of replacement too. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > Wow! We have a lot in common. Last year I sold my 35 Mk II > (Expresso) and bought my 37/40+. I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better > in almost every way. The performance difference is breathtaking. The boat > I bought was in pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her. > We renamed her "Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah. The > side windows are chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them > have that problem, so you will probably have to deal with that. If you > are, at all handy, they are not that hard to fix. I can give you a lot of > advice in that area. The holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the > tank was installed before the interior was installed. Repairing/replacing > the tank is a big deal. Of course, you should watch out for the usual > punky cored deck. Otherwise she is a good boat with minimal problems. > Text me if you need specific advice. There are a lot of 37/40+ owners on > this forum and they have a lot of helpful knowledge. > > Good luck, > Gary > S/V Kaylarah > '90 C 37+ > East Greenwich, RI, USA > > ~~~_/)~~ > > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big > boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C > 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever > built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with > C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should > stick with C > > I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most > everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco > Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the > Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; > doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron > sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, > etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. > > For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close > attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that > could bite me. > > Thanks, > Mark Baldridge > ~~_/) > '75 C MKII "The Edge" > Surf City, NC > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
I find it is very handy at fall haul out to thoroughly rinse the tank using a hose with nozzle attached. This is done of course after the normal pump out. Just stick in the hose with pressure spray running, spray the inside and rinse out the inside of the tank. Then pump out again. Ensures tank is relatively clean and has only fresh water left in it. Then I pump in antifreeze through the head and all is well for the winter. John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Doug Welch via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 7:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: doug.we...@rogers.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat And the reason you want a hole large enough to stick you hand in a holding tank is? On Monday, December 5, 2016 6:28 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: A "hand hole" is an inspection hole with a cover large enough to get a hand through. A "manhole" is larger allowing a man to get through. On December 5, 2016 at 2:08 PM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Inspection plate??? From: David via CnC-List <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 11:54 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David <mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat Errr...what is a "hand hole"? Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 12/4/16 19:44 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat My holding tank is plastic but the hand hole came loose and was a considerable pain in the ass to fix. The forward water tank in mine is aluminum and the fuel tank is aluminum. The back stay attachments are a place for detailed inspection. You'll probably find that the steering cable idlers plate, directly under the pedestal, is probably badly rusted. It should be one of the first safety repairs. The engine mounts may be soft and in need of replacement too. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hi Mark, Wow! We have a lot in common. Last year I sold my 35 Mk II (Expresso) and bought my 37/40+. I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better in almost every way. The performance difference is breathtaking. The boat I bought was in pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her. We renamed her "Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah. The side windows are chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them have that problem, so you will probably have to deal with that. If you are, at all handy, they are not that hard to fix. I can give you a lot of advice in that area. The holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the tank was installed before the interior was installed. Repairing/replacing the tank is a big deal. Of course, you should watch out for the usual punky cored deck. Otherwise she is a good boat with minimal problems. Text me if you need specific advice. There are a lot of 37/40+ owners on this forum and they have a lot of helpful knowledge. Good luck, Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should stick with C I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that could bite me. Thanks, Mark Baldridge ~~_/) '75 C MKII "The Edge" Surf City, NC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribu
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
And the reason you want a hole large enough to stick you hand in a holding tank is? On Monday, December 5, 2016 6:28 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: A "hand hole" is an inspection hole with a cover large enough to get a hand through. A "manhole" is larger allowing a man to get through. On December 5, 2016 at 2:08 PM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Inspection plate??? From: David via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 11:54 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat Errr...what is a "hand hole"? Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 12/4/16 19:44 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat My holding tank is plastic but the hand hole came loose and was a considerable pain in the ass to fix. The forward water tank in mine is aluminum and the fuel tank is aluminum. The back stay attachments are a place for detailed inspection. You'll probably find that the steering cable idlers plate, directly under the pedestal, is probably badly rusted. It should be one of the first safety repairs. The engine mounts may be soft and in need of replacement too. Josh MuckleyS/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hi Mark, Wow! We have a lot in common. Last year I sold my 35 Mk II (Expresso) and bought my 37/40+. I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better in almost every way. The performance difference is breathtaking. The boat I bought was in pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her. We renamed her "Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah. The side windows are chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them have that problem, so you will probably have to deal with that. If you are, at all handy, they are not that hard to fix. I can give you a lot of advice in that area. The holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the tank was installed before the interior was installed. Repairing/replacing the tank is a big deal. Of course, you should watch out for the usual punky cored deck. Otherwise she is a good boat with minimal problems. Text me if you need specific advice. There are a lot of 37/40+ owners on this forum and they have a lot of helpful knowledge. Good luck, Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should stick with C I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that could bite me. Thanks, Mark Baldridge ~~_/) '75 C MKII "The Edge" Surf City, NC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributi
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
A "hand hole" is an inspection hole with a cover large enough to get a hand through. A "manhole" is larger allowing a man to get through. > On December 5, 2016 at 2:08 PM "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Inspection plate??? > > From: David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 11:54 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: David mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat > > Errr...what is a "hand hole"? > > > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone > > > Original message > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 12/4/16 19:44 (GMT-05:00) > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat > > My holding tank is plastic but the hand hole came loose and was a > considerable pain in the ass to fix. The forward water tank in mine is > aluminum and the fuel tank is aluminum. The back stay attachments are a > place for detailed inspection. You'll probably find that the steering cable > idlers plate, directly under the pedestal, is probably badly rusted. It > should be one of the first safety repairs. The engine mounts may be soft and > in need of replacement too. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > > Hi Mark, > > Wow! We have a lot in common. Last year I sold my 35 Mk II > > (Expresso) and bought my 37/40+. I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better > > in almost every way. The performance difference is breathtaking. The boat > > I bought was in pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her. > > We renamed her "Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah. The > > side windows are chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them > > have that problem, so you will probably have to deal with that. If you > > are, at all handy, they are not that hard to fix. I can give you a lot of > > advice in that area. The holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the > > tank was installed before the interior was installed. Repairing/replacing > > the tank is a big deal. Of course, you should watch out for the usual > > punky cored deck. Otherwise she is a good boat with minimal problems. > > Text me if you need specific advice. There are a lot of 37/40+ owners on > > this forum and they have a lot of help ful knowledge. > > > > Good luck, > > Gary > > S/V Kaylarah > > '90 C 37+ > > East Greenwich, RI, USA > > > > ~~~_/)~~ > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-List > > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > > > > > I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next > > boat. My first big boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then > > upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on > > the best boat ever built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more > > cruising, but with C performance. Given that requirement, it seems > > reasonable that I should stick with C > > > > > > I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C > > > 37+ and most everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed > > > in Marco Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it > > > over the Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems > > > quite basic; doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin > > > hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs > > > windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. > > > > > > For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I > > > should pay close attention to other than engine condition & standing > > > rigging condition that could bite me. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mark Baldridge > > > ~~_/) > > > '75
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
Inspection plate??? From: David via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 11:54 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: David Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat Errr...what is a "hand hole"? Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 12/4/16 19:44 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat My holding tank is plastic but the hand hole came loose and was a considerable pain in the ass to fix. The forward water tank in mine is aluminum and the fuel tank is aluminum. The back stay attachments are a place for detailed inspection. You'll probably find that the steering cable idlers plate, directly under the pedestal, is probably badly rusted. It should be one of the first safety repairs. The engine mounts may be soft and in need of replacement too. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hi Mark, Wow! We have a lot in common. Last year I sold my 35 Mk II (Expresso) and bought my 37/40+. I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better in almost every way. The performance difference is breathtaking. The boat I bought was in pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her. We renamed her "Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah. The side windows are chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them have that problem, so you will probably have to deal with that. If you are, at all handy, they are not that hard to fix. I can give you a lot of advice in that area. The holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the tank was installed before the interior was installed. Repairing/replacing the tank is a big deal. Of course, you should watch out for the usual punky cored deck. Otherwise she is a good boat with minimal problems. Text me if you need specific advice. There are a lot of 37/40+ owners on this forum and they have a lot of helpful knowledge. Good luck, Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should stick with C I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that could bite me. Thanks, Mark Baldridge ~~_/) '75 C MKII "The Edge" Surf City, NC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
Errr...what is a "hand hole"? Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 12/4/16 19:44 (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat My holding tank is plastic but the hand hole came loose and was a considerable pain in the ass to fix. The forward water tank in mine is aluminum and the fuel tank is aluminum. The back stay attachments are a place for detailed inspection. You'll probably find that the steering cable idlers plate, directly under the pedestal, is probably badly rusted. It should be one of the first safety repairs. The engine mounts may be soft and in need of replacement too. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Hi Mark, Wow! We have a lot in common. Last year I sold my 35 Mk II (Expresso) and bought my 37/40+. I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better in almost every way. The performance difference is breathtaking. The boat I bought was in pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her. We renamed her "Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah. The side windows are chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them have that problem, so you will probably have to deal with that. If you are, at all handy, they are not that hard to fix. I can give you a lot of advice in that area. The holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the tank was installed before the interior was installed. Repairing/replacing the tank is a big deal. Of course, you should watch out for the usual punky cored deck. Otherwise she is a good boat with minimal problems. Text me if you need specific advice. There are a lot of 37/40+ owners on this forum and they have a lot of helpful knowledge. Good luck, Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should stick with C I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that could bite me. Thanks, Mark Baldridge ~~_/) '75 C MKII "The Edge" Surf City, NC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat (Mark)
I didn't mean to insult anyone. I said plastic because I didn't have any proof they were Marelon. I had found this on another sailing forum: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=154228 The internet used to mean never having to say I don't know. Now it means I don't know what to believe. On Dec 5, 2016 5:31 AM, "Ken Heaton"wrote: > The Thu Hull are actually Marelon®, a proprietary formulation of polymar > composite compounds using composite reinforced polymer and additives to > produce a superior marine-grade product. > >- For use above and below the waterline >- Precision molded plumbing systems >- Complete freedom from corrosion >- U.L. and A.B.Y.C. approved > > Forespar "93" series valves and thru-hull fittings meet all design > criteria and exceed all mechanical property requirements specified by the > International Standards Organization > > http://www.forespar.com/what-is-marelon.shtml > > A bit better than just "plastic" > > Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin > S/V Salazar - Can 54955 > C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 > Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia > > http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/ > > On 5 December 2016 at 01:07, Brian Fry via CnC-List > wrote: > >> I just looked at the Ad in yachtworld. It looks identical to mine inside. >> That engine, if it is a 3jh2 should be rated 38 HP, not 22. >> I have a bit more tankage for water and waste. >> I did replace my engine mounts last season. >> Also had the Max prop refurbished. >> I replaced the shaft seal. >> I had an issue with a loose connection on the ammeter at the panel. >> Some of the wiring is corroding at this point, so look for that. >> My chainplates and the cabin handrails leaked inside. I replaced the >> handrails with stainless steel. >> The PO added a hatch in the Head for access to the water pump impeller, >> very nice, though I may enlarge it. >> The thru hulls are plastic in the head and for the forward sink and the >> raw water for the washdown pump. I will be replacing them. >> Looks pretty decent for that price. >> Hit me up for any information I can provide. >> >> >> -- >> Brian Fry >> S/V La Neige >> 1993 C 37/40XL >> HdG Maryland >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat (Mark)
The Thu Hull are actually Marelon®, a proprietary formulation of polymar composite compounds using composite reinforced polymer and additives to produce a superior marine-grade product. - For use above and below the waterline - Precision molded plumbing systems - Complete freedom from corrosion - U.L. and A.B.Y.C. approved Forespar "93" series valves and thru-hull fittings meet all design criteria and exceed all mechanical property requirements specified by the International Standards Organization http://www.forespar.com/what-is-marelon.shtml A bit better than just "plastic" Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin S/V Salazar - Can 54955 C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia http://www.racethecape.ca/the-race/entrants/salazar/ On 5 December 2016 at 01:07, Brian Fry via CnC-Listwrote: > I just looked at the Ad in yachtworld. It looks identical to mine inside. > That engine, if it is a 3jh2 should be rated 38 HP, not 22. > I have a bit more tankage for water and waste. > I did replace my engine mounts last season. > Also had the Max prop refurbished. > I replaced the shaft seal. > I had an issue with a loose connection on the ammeter at the panel. > Some of the wiring is corroding at this point, so look for that. > My chainplates and the cabin handrails leaked inside. I replaced the > handrails with stainless steel. > The PO added a hatch in the Head for access to the water pump impeller, > very nice, though I may enlarge it. > The thru hulls are plastic in the head and for the forward sink and the > raw water for the washdown pump. I will be replacing them. > Looks pretty decent for that price. > Hit me up for any information I can provide. > > > -- > Brian Fry > S/V La Neige > 1993 C 37/40XL > HdG Maryland > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat (Mark)
I just looked at the Ad in yachtworld. It looks identical to mine inside. That engine, if it is a 3jh2 should be rated 38 HP, not 22. I have a bit more tankage for water and waste. I did replace my engine mounts last season. Also had the Max prop refurbished. I replaced the shaft seal. I had an issue with a loose connection on the ammeter at the panel. Some of the wiring is corroding at this point, so look for that. My chainplates and the cabin handrails leaked inside. I replaced the handrails with stainless steel. The PO added a hatch in the Head for access to the water pump impeller, very nice, though I may enlarge it. The thru hulls are plastic in the head and for the forward sink and the raw water for the washdown pump. I will be replacing them. Looks pretty decent for that price. Hit me up for any information I can provide. -- Brian Fry S/V La Neige 1993 C 37/40XL HdG Maryland ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
Ron, Otto, huh? Pretty good. On the Enterprise, we named the new autopilot the Steering Using Linear Utility. You know... SULU. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B C 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 7 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Dec 4, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Ron Ricci via CnC-Listwrote: Mark, I am extremely pleased with my 1991 37+. It is responsive and very quick. Here are a few things I've encountered. The rod rigging requires periodic inspection and re-heading. Navtec recommended re-heading the rods and replacing the turnbuckles every 10 years. Probably much of that is CYA. They also recommended replacing the rod rigging after 20. Mine was re-headed and turnbuckles replaced at 20 years. All inspections were OK at that time and I did not replace the rod rigging. Full rig inspection requires pulling the mast. My 'roof' leaked from the beginning. I re-bedded the baby stay track and a few other things with Butyl rubber. The baby stay track which is subject to being pulled away from the deck accounted for most of the leaks. The stamped plate that holds the idler pulleys for the steering is made of carbon steel. Mine rusted so badly the pulleys came loose and the steering cable fell off. I got one of the last parts Edson had in stock. You may want to inspect under the pedestal for evidence of rust. I'd call Edson and ask for a 776-4 idler. They may have to make more parts if you have to order one. The newer S/S part is different. My holding tank is plastic and the hand hole passed gas. I got many complaints from my wife. Once I figured out how to take everything apart, it was easy to replace & re-bed the hand hole. I also replaced the shower valve. If you need, I have pictures. Thanks to Gary Russell being the lead, I added an autopilot. It's like having another crew member which we refer to as the German guy, Otto, as in Ottomatic. Good luck, Ron Ron Ricci S/V Patriot C 37+ ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Stu,Josh,Edd,Ron, Wow, Thanks for the quick reply's. We're flying down to do another look this Friday. I'm meeting with Charlie Nelson (Water Phantom 36XL) tomorrow to look over his boat and ask questions as it is similar and local. The steering quadrant is reported to have been replaced in the last 24 months. Rigging is original, but reported in excellent condition. I hope the survey will be thorough. I also plan on getting a compression test on the engine. It has a Navico H800 autohelm, but condition is unknown at this time. I do know that the AC blows ice cold! I'm sure I will be asking many questions in the next few days and hopefully later as we make her ours. Thanks, Mark Baldridge ~~_/) '75 C MKII "The Edge" Surf City, NC On 12/4/2016 8:55 PM, Ron Ricci wrote: Mark, I am extremely pleased with my 1991 37+. It is responsive and very quick. Here are a few things I've encountered. The rod rigging requires periodic inspection and re-heading. Navtec recommended re-heading the rods and replacing the turnbuckles every 10 years. Probably much of that is CYA. They also recommended replacing the rod rigging after 20. Mine was re-headed and turnbuckles replaced at 20 years. All inspections were OK at that time and I did not replace the rod rigging. Full rig inspection requires pulling the mast. My 'roof' leaked from the beginning. I re-bedded the baby stay track and a few other things with Butyl rubber. The baby stay track which is subject to being pulled away from the deck accounted for most of the leaks. The stamped plate that holds the idler pulleys for the steering is made of carbon steel. Mine rusted so badly the pulleys came loose and the steering cable fell off. I got one of the last parts Edson had in stock. You may want to inspect under the pedestal for evidence of rust. I'd call Edson and ask for a 776-4 idler. They may have to make more parts if you have to order one. The newer S/S part is different. My holding tank is plastic and the hand hole passed gas. I got many complaints from my wife. Once I figured out how to take everything apart, it was easy to replace & re-bed the hand hole. I also replaced the shower valve. If you need, I have pictures. Thanks to Gary Russell being the lead, I added an autopilot. It's like having another crew member which we refer to as the German guy, Otto, as in Ottomatic. Good luck, Ron Ron Ricci S/V Patriot C 37+ Bristol, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mark via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Mark Subject: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should stick with C I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that could bite me. Thanks, Mark Baldridge ~~_/) '75 C MKII "The Edge" Surf City, NC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
Mark, I am extremely pleased with my 1991 37+. It is responsive and very quick. Here are a few things I've encountered. The rod rigging requires periodic inspection and re-heading. Navtec recommended re-heading the rods and replacing the turnbuckles every 10 years. Probably much of that is CYA. They also recommended replacing the rod rigging after 20. Mine was re-headed and turnbuckles replaced at 20 years. All inspections were OK at that time and I did not replace the rod rigging. Full rig inspection requires pulling the mast. My 'roof' leaked from the beginning. I re-bedded the baby stay track and a few other things with Butyl rubber. The baby stay track which is subject to being pulled away from the deck accounted for most of the leaks. The stamped plate that holds the idler pulleys for the steering is made of carbon steel. Mine rusted so badly the pulleys came loose and the steering cable fell off. I got one of the last parts Edson had in stock. You may want to inspect under the pedestal for evidence of rust. I'd call Edson and ask for a 776-4 idler. They may have to make more parts if you have to order one. The newer S/S part is different. My holding tank is plastic and the hand hole passed gas. I got many complaints from my wife. Once I figured out how to take everything apart, it was easy to replace & re-bed the hand hole. I also replaced the shower valve. If you need, I have pictures. Thanks to Gary Russell being the lead, I added an autopilot. It's like having another crew member which we refer to as the German guy, Otto, as in Ottomatic. Good luck, Ron Ron Ricci S/V Patriot C 37+ Bristol, RI -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mark via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:48 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Mark Subject: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should stick with C I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that could bite me. Thanks, Mark Baldridge ~~_/) '75 C MKII "The Edge" Surf City, NC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
Mark, I've had a 37+ for 11 years now -- great boat. Mine is also the centerboard model (kinda -- long story, but I can fill you in.) Aside from the usual things, check the centerboard cable status. Yes, the windows are an issue, but not a very difficult fix if you're handy and have access to some good tools. I replaced mine three years ago. The only negative is light-air performance-- but in moderate and heavy air, she is fast and ultra stable -- a real dream. You'll find this list more valuable than a new set of sails. Lots of 37+ owners (as well as XLs and Rs -- and their kid brother, the 34 series). All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-B C 37+ | City Island, NY www.StarshipSailing.com --- 914.332.4400 | Office 914.774.9767 | Mobile --- Sent via iPhone 7 iPhone. iTypos. iApologize On Dec 4, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-Listwrote: I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should stick with C I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that could bite me. Thanks, Mark Baldridge ~~_/) '75 C MKII "The Edge" Surf City, NC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
My holding tank is plastic but the hand hole came loose and was a considerable pain in the ass to fix. The forward water tank in mine is aluminum and the fuel tank is aluminum. The back stay attachments are a place for detailed inspection. You'll probably find that the steering cable idlers plate, directly under the pedestal, is probably badly rusted. It should be one of the first safety repairs. The engine mounts may be soft and in need of replacement too. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 6:28 PM Gary Russell via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi Mark, > Wow! We have a lot in common. Last year I sold my 35 Mk II > (Expresso) and bought my 37/40+. I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better > in almost every way. The performance difference is breathtaking. The boat > I bought was in pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her. > We renamed her "Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah. The > side windows are chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them > have that problem, so you will probably have to deal with that. If you > are, at all handy, they are not that hard to fix. I can give you a lot of > advice in that area. The holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the > tank was installed before the interior was installed. Repairing/replacing > the tank is a big deal. Of course, you should watch out for the usual > punky cored deck. Otherwise she is a good boat with minimal problems. > Text me if you need specific advice. There are a lot of 37/40+ owners on > this forum and they have a lot of helpful knowledge. > > Good luck, > Gary > S/V Kaylarah > '90 C 37+ > East Greenwich, RI, USA > > ~~~_/)~~ > > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-List> wrote: > > I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big > boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C > 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever > built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with > C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should > stick with C > > I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most > everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco > Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the > Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; > doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron > sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, > etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. > > For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close > attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that > could bite me. > > Thanks, > Mark Baldridge > ~~_/) > '75 C MKII "The Edge" > Surf City, NC > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
Hi Mark, Wow! We have a lot in common. Last year I sold my 35 Mk II (Expresso) and bought my 37/40+. I loved Expresso, but the 37+ is better in almost every way. The performance difference is breathtaking. The boat I bought was in pretty bad shape and I spent almost a year refitting her. We renamed her "Kaylarah" after my grand daughters Kayla and Sarah. The side windows are chronic problems on these boats, but almost all of them have that problem, so you will probably have to deal with that. If you are, at all handy, they are not that hard to fix. I can give you a lot of advice in that area. The holding tank is made out of aluminum, and the tank was installed before the interior was installed. Repairing/replacing the tank is a big deal. Of course, you should watch out for the usual punky cored deck. Otherwise she is a good boat with minimal problems. Text me if you need specific advice. There are a lot of 37/40+ owners on this forum and they have a lot of helpful knowledge. Good luck, Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~_/)~~ On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Mark via CnC-Listwrote: > I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big > boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C > 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever > built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with > C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should > stick with C > > I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most > everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco > Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the > Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; > doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron > sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, > etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. > > For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close > attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that > could bite me. > > Thanks, > Mark Baldridge > ~~_/) > '75 C MKII "The Edge" > Surf City, NC > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Looking at C 37/40+ CB as next boat
I am looking at a 1993 C 37/40+ CB model as our next boat. My first big boat was a 1974 C 27 which I had to 12 years, then upgraded to a 1975 C 35 MKII in 1992. After 25 years (come February) on the best boat ever built, I'm looking to upgrade to something a little more cruising, but with C performance. Given that requirement, it seems reasonable that I should stick with C I've read through the all the email lists concerning the C 37+ and most everything looks positive. The boat I'm looking at is listed in Marco Island and immediately needs hatches and windows. I looked at it over the Thanksgiving holidays, and other that those issues, it seems quite basic; doesn't appear to have been raced hard (i.e. no spin hardware & Dacron sails) and not much in cruising upgrades (i.e. needs windless, davits, etc.). Could be a good platform to start with. For you C 37/40+ owners out there, is there any thing I should pay close attention to other than engine condition & standing rigging condition that could bite me. Thanks, Mark Baldridge ~~_/) '75 C MKII "The Edge" Surf City, NC ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!