Many years ago I raced in a Viking 28 fleet with a judge. He loved to make up
complex rules on the fly. He was always prepared to back off if anyone ever
called him on it but no one ever did.
Don Newman
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Actually, you had an inside overlap. There is no requirement for boats to
be in close proximity to one another for an overlap to exist. You were
clear ahead until the other
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Actually, you had an inside overlap. There is no requirement for boats to be
in close proximity to one another for an overlap to exist. You were clear
ahead until the other boat
Dwight Veinot
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Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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Actually, you had an inside
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Actually, you had an inside overlap
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Actually, you had an inside overlap. There is no requirement for boats to
be in close proximity
Colregs rule 2b takes precedence over the racing rules of sailing in all cases,
you must take action to avoid a collision even if it means violating the rules.
It's the same rule for you Canadian guys, too.
That doesn't mean I've not pushed the racing rules a time or two. I've even
been so
Agreed here
Dwight Veinot
CC 35MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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Sent: August 20, 2014 12:29 PM
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I am hoping that someone can clarify the actual rules related to an incident
that I was involved in last weekend. The race was a “fun” race, so no yelling,
but I did not know who had rights. We had huge wind shifts approaching the
windward mark and I was in a position where I was close
David,
If you both entered the zone at the same time, you are entitled to mark
room. Furthermore, you were the leeward boat. So, raise that red flag and bitch
slap him in the protest room. Oh, you said it was a fun race? In that case,
raise the flag and politely demonstrate your
18.1 When Rule 18 Applies
Rule 18 applies between boats when they are required to leave a
mark on the same side and at least one of them is in the zone.
18.2 Giving Mark-Room
(a) When boats are overlapped the outside boat shall give the
inside boat mark-room, unless rule 18.2(b) applies.
(b) If
Like Edd said, you had rights as the leeward boat and, as leeward boat
entering the two boat length circle, you carried those rights into the
circle.
I would place less emphasis on rights as inside boat unless you are
ABSOLUTELY positive you were laying the mark. Consider this, a boat
That’s an interesting comment. My initial reaction was the leeward boat
argument was the stronger hand but you’re absolutely right. In any event…
bitch slap him.
John
On Aug 19, 2014, at 5:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Like Edd said, you had rights as the
I was worried about the definition of overlap in this rule. Since we were
effectively 90 degrees to each other, I did not know how you would define
“overlap”. If you project an orthogonal line outward from the bow and stern,
they would not intersect the other boat. Also, Dennis, I did lay
David
Agreed you are entitled to room- at least enough for a seamanlike
rounding - Another way to look at it is that you had an overlap -
probably well outside of the zone. Draw a line perpendicular across his
stern and your whole boat was likely in front because of the very different
angles
David,
I agree with Kim - look up the definition of overlap. If he was bearing
down on you on the same tack the line through his stern, perpendicular to
the centerline of *his* boat should be behind your stern, and likewise a
line through your stern perpendicular to *your* centerline would be
Veinot
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Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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David
Agreed you
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David
Agreed you are entitled to room- at least enough for a seamanlike
rounding - Another way to look at it is that you had an overlap -
probably well outside of the zone. Draw
CC 35MKII, Alianna
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David
Agreed you
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Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 3:25 PM
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks
All the drawings in the world and it would most likely still be a he said she
said. In that case, the race judges will default to less arbitrary facts than
who was in the zone
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Sent: August-19-14 19:41
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks
Now whether or not it is worth the fight is a whole other story. Maybe
they will be in a position to give you a little leeway
If you're inside and not laying the mark you can head up--as long as you don't
go past head-to-wind and still be entitled to room.
Sailing in a 30-boat one design fleet will expose you to pretty much all these
situations!
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Andrew Burton
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Sent: August-19-14 19:41
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Racing rules at marks
Now whether or not it is worth the fight is a whole other story. Maybe
they will be in a position to give you
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Had that happen earlier this summer. As you say, interesting and a trifle
loud, too!
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
On Aug 19, 2014, at 19:21, Rick Taillieu via
Actually, you had an inside overlap. There is no requirement for boats to be in
close proximity to one another for an overlap to exist. You were clear ahead
until the other boat established an overlap to windward of you. The only way
for the other boat to have had rights would be if it became
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