Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Inner Harbor East is very good if you haven't found something else. We used it when going to the Indy cars the last three years. Gary St. Michaels - Original Message - From: Chris Price via CnC-List To: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Bought my 35 Mk I for 13 k 15 years ago. Compared to beach house rentals for one week/ year, I'm ahead of the game. It's not an investment, it's what you do with your disposable income. My family has not suffered. Chris Price 35 Mk I p. s. Sailing to Baltimore, getting-a slip and walking to the Ravens game tomorrow. Back to the club Friday for a Bridal shower for my daughter. Can't put a price on that. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Friend of mine is $80k and 8 years into an Ericsson 30 rebuild. He can't get an offer of $20k. My CC 26 cost me $24k 12 years ago. Since then it's retail has halved and I've probably got $20k into it in up grades. When I bought it, there was no thought of selling it and there still isn't. Good job, 'cause this thought line can drive you nuts. I'm going to either leave it to one of the grandkids (if I can get one interested in sailing), or sail west until we (boat and I) fall off the edge - this is plan B 'cause I'm a lake sailor! sam :-) From: Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 6:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC I quit tracking $$ when I went north of $20K. That was years ago. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
In 1969 we paid $30,000 for our house. In 1977 we paid $35,000 for Coquina. I was 13 years old then. My wife thinks this explains why I am crazy and if my total net worth was $50 I would spend $40 on West System and $10 on food. Growing up I thought it was totally normal to have a boat that cost more than your house and to get taken out of school to wet sand the bottom the day before launching. Anyway a large sailboat now is an insanely bad investment. You either cannot imagine not being out sailing or you find something else to do. IMHO no amount of cash could ever replace this: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Weighing in late here... yes a large sailboat is an insanely bad FINANCIAL investment, but it's good for your soul. I'm well over $200k into Bojangles (less than half of which is purchase price) and I'd be lucky to get half that today. For the last couple of years though, I've chartered her out selectively and while I'm not making any serious money (in case the CRA is monitoring this thread), she is carrying her weigh for the most part. And the coolest thing is the current charterer has the boat down in Panama right now and we're heading down next week to take back the boat for a 2 week cruise in the San Blas Islands... How cool is that? Cheers, Colin On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In 1969 we paid $30,000 for our house. In 1977 we paid $35,000 for Coquina. I was 13 years old then. My wife thinks this explains why I am crazy and if my total net worth was $50 I would spend $40 on West System and $10 on food. Growing up I thought it was totally normal to have a boat that cost more than your house and to get taken out of school to wet sand the bottom the day before launching. Anyway a large sailboat now is an insanely bad investment. You either cannot imagine not being out sailing or you find something else to do. IMHO no amount of cash could ever replace this: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* *CC 35 MK I* ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Owning a boat really is something though. I whine about our short sailing season and I'm often too busy to sail as much as I'de like but the bottom line is that I know it's down at the club, on it's mooring, waiting. There's always the potential and promise. If I sold the boat I would be depressed. The way the market is going though I could sell it now, do other things with the money and buy another in five years for less money. VS continuing to dump money into mine for the next five years. It's hard. There are still some inexpensive vacant properties outside of Toronto .. and that won't last much longer. Boats will always get cheaper, land won't. I'm 35 now, whatever land I might buy will be worth more in ten years, in twenty parking a cheap trailer on it for the time being and slowly building a cabin seems like a good use of my time, energy and finances. It's the same time, energy and finances I spend on the boat. I love my boat though and I love the times I've spent on it with my partner, and my friends. We just got back from a three week cruise and it was magical. Boat bubble all the way. Decisions, decisions. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: In 1969 we paid $30,000 for our house. In 1977 we paid $35,000 for Coquina. I was 13 years old then. My wife thinks this explains why I am crazy and if my total net worth was $50 I would spend $40 on West System and $10 on food. Growing up I thought it was totally normal to have a boat that cost more than your house and to get taken out of school to wet sand the bottom the day before launching. Anyway a large sailboat now is an insanely bad investment. You either cannot imagine not being out sailing or you find something else to do. IMHO no amount of cash could ever replace this: http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/noah093x.JPG *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* *CC 35 MK I* ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Having a boat and sailing is better than the alternative. The cost is just something that comes with it, so you either suck it up and go sailing and be happy, or you live a miserable life on the muddy stuff. My 0c worth! Cheers, Paul Orange Crush, CC27MkII Sidney, BC. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List big $$$ used CC
One more.. You can't put a price on life experience and memories indeed. That's a big part of the reason why I own my boat. I've wanted one for decades and the plan was to get it when the kids were grown, but when I got the opportunity to get one while my daughter was 14 and my son 12, I jumped on it. Here's a small sampling things provided by boat ownership I find priceless: The ability to pry my kids away from the internet and video games for whole weekends at a time A good excuse to spend one on one time with my kids The ability to teach them real life lessons about having to focus on task, learn to plan ahead, perform actual manual labor, and feel the ensuing satisfaction of a job well done Spending afternoons at anchor swimming with the whole family including the dog Having so much fun on a daysail that we forget about dinner and find ourselves eating dinner at Steak and Shake @ 11:00 PM with no one complaining and still having fun A great place to spend the weekend at the lake and completely forget about work Being in an actual organized race with the whole family and 2 or 3 other friends along for the ride (Try that in a race car) Having a Lake House that could very well find it's way in Belize or any other island of my choosing one day without too much additional cost She's demanding alright.. But look at what you get. -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
One side benefit of kids growing up sailing. My 23 year old is Captain of a 60'er out of Maine and Antigua. Making great money and happy as a clam. Pretty good investment I think... David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 (cell) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 12:09:58 -0400 Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used CC From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com One more.. You can't put a price on life experience and memories indeed. That's a big part of the reason why I own my boat. I've wanted one for decades and the plan was to get it when the kids were grown, but when I got the opportunity to get one while my daughter was 14 and my son 12, I jumped on it. Here's a small sampling things provided by boat ownership I find priceless: The ability to pry my kids away from the internet and video games for whole weekends at a time A good excuse to spend one on one time with my kids The ability to teach them real life lessons about having to focus on task, learn to plan ahead, perform actual manual labor, and feel the ensuing satisfaction of a job well done Spending afternoons at anchor swimming with the whole family including the dog Having so much fun on a daysail that we forget about dinner and find ourselves eating dinner at Steak and Shake @ 11:00 PM with no one complaining and still having fun A great place to spend the weekend at the lake and completely forget about work Being in an actual organized race with the whole family and 2 or 3 other friends along for the ride (Try that in a race car) Having a Lake House that could very well find it's way in Belize or any other island of my choosing one day without too much additional cost She's demanding alright.. But look at what you get. -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Remember when you played the game of Life with your kids? The winning strategy was not to accumulate the most money; It was to get the most life experience cards. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
She's a beauty. Did you install the helm or did it come with the boat? I just bought a 33 for $2,500. She'll be launched tomorrow. Can't wait to get her all prettied up. Skip Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Curtis via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 9:08 PM To: Dave Godwin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Purchase price $2,500.00 Last offer $29,500 around $7,000 invested. I would never sale her now!!! I have fallen in love with her. take a look see. http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/p/photos-of-progress.html On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ah, you read between the lines. Love my CC. My lovely wife does too! Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ 's Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: I'm just wondering why in the friggin' hell I haven't pulled the trigger on that option... Dave, its because you have a great boat... Richard 1985 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Aug 6, 2014 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I'm just wondering why in the friggin' hell I haven't pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ 's Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Best regards, Curtis McDaniel, CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady Port Royal, South Carolina
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Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . My boat is a 1990 but was in need of maintenance. I spent over $1,000.00 just on partial (Very partial) replacement on running rigging and over $ 3,000.00 on Little Stuff like paint, door handles, clam cleats, hoses.. This is all stuff you don't really notice until you start going through it all in details / or they start failing. Most items are less than 100 bucks but when you have 50+ of them, it adds up in a big hurry. I'll be glad to share my spreadsheet detailing it all if you PM me. -Francois 1990 CC 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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PS. Note the incredible number of expenses less than $50US. Those little trips for fasteners and epoxy and paint brushes and sandpaper and stuff really add up. I wrote: Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Danny - I've been using Quicken since the 1980's. These days it's easy -- just push a button and all transactions for your linked accounts are downloaded into your computer. Back then it was much tougher, and I had to dedicate an afternoon a month to data input. But it's worth it. Some people assume I have a 'bunch' of money, but the truth is that I just keep control of the little that I have, know where it's coming from and where it's going. For years, every morning I'd make coffee, and run two custom reports which were basically a P/L and Balance Sheet. One was titled 'Cash Out Value' to let me know how much money I'd have if I checked out and took off on the boat. It helped me to meet my defined objective. And it's cheap. I wouldn't use the new on-line version, though, because I wouldn't want all that information on someone else's server, that could be subpenaed. Down here, though, it's a cash economy, and I'm back to the 1980's... Wal Danny Haughey wrote: OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Wally, What makes your haulouts cost thousands of dollars; one over 10k$? What's all happening during these hauls? Ron STL On Wed, 8/6/14, Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2014, 12:39 PM Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Well... http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/hauls/ Have fun. It's okay, but I still don't have a baby's arm holding an apple. It was a project boat, and if I didn't save her she'd be chopped up by now. Wal you wrote: Wally, What makes your haulouts cost thousands of dollars; one over 10k$? What's all happening during these hauls? Ron STL ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Dave, Care to share ? :) Paul. :) On Aug 6, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I'm just wondering why in the friggin' hell I haven't pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refithttp://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.commailto:w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I've had my 1981 Landfall 38 since 1997. I've put a lot of money into everything from an engine rebuild to all new running gear, a new propane stove, Espar heater, sails etc. batteries Etc. Meantime I've installed new electronics on many of the Beneteaus sold into Nova Scotia, worked on a whack of other boats of all types, makes, sizes and conditions, and have never felt that the money I spent on Indigo was going to a poor place or should be invested in a newer boat. I think the reason is that my 33 year old boat is every bit as seaworthy as any of the others I've been on, works and sails as well as any, satisfies my aesthetic needs and, perhaps most important from my point of view, has soul that most of the new boats don't have. Next boat will be a 25' wood power boat with a comfortable chair and a BBQ on the stern deck. Rich On Aug 6, 2014, at 20:35, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
I quit tracking $$ when I went north of $20K. That was years ago. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Ah, you read between the lines. Love my CC. My lovely wife does too! Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Dave, its because you have a great boat... Richard 1985 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Aug 6, 2014 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Purchase price $2,500.00 Last offer $29,500 around $7,000 invested. I would never sale her now!!! I have fallen in love with her. take a look see. http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/p/photos-of-progress.html On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ah, you read between the lines. Love my CC. My lovely wife does too! Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Aug 6, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Richard N. Bush bushma...@aol.com wrote: I'm just wondering why in the friggin' hell I haven't pulled the trigger on that option... *Dave, its because you have a great boat...* Richard 1985 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Aug 6, 2014 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I'm just wondering why in the friggin' hell I haven't pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin's Overdue Refit http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/ On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- *Best regards,* *Curtis McDaniel, * *CC 30-MK1 East Coast Lady* *Port Royal,* *South Carolina* *cpt.b...@gmail.com bobhick...@rogers.com* * __/) * . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Dave, its because you have a great boat... Richard 1985 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584 Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 502-584-7255 -Original Message- From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com; cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wed, Aug 6, 2014 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Ok folks. I'm an accountant. Even by my standards you people are nuts John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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If you own a boat, you're one of us... Rich Rich Knowles IFDS 2014 Worlds Support Chair On Aug 6, 2014, at 22:46, Ebay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ok folks. I'm an accountant. Even by my standards you people are nuts John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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We are the CC's. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. 83 of 354 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If you own a boat, you're one of us... Rich Rich Knowles IFDS 2014 Worlds Support Chair On Aug 6, 2014, at 22:46, Ebay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ok folks. I'm an accountant. Even by my standards you people are nuts John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
It's the little things. If I kept track of every dollar I spent on hoses, hose clamps, wires, crimps, sealant, epoxy, sandpaper, brushes, paint, tape, tools, lube, books, manuals, fittings, etc etc etc .. well, I'de be busy doing data entry I guess. But I don't. I sort of keep my receipts around in case I get the urge to tally it up one day but the truth is, I'm afraid. Lets not even get started on time. Then there's the big ones, sails, engine work, electronics and upgrades ... boats are expensive. It doesn't make a lot of sense, our sailing season is 5 months long. Anyone want to buy a very well taken care of CC 32?!? I have a spare motor for chrissakes!!! Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: We are the CC's. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. 83 of 354 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Rich Knowles via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If you own a boat, you're one of us... Rich Rich Knowles IFDS 2014 Worlds Support Chair On Aug 6, 2014, at 22:46, Ebay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ok folks. I'm an accountant. Even by my standards you people are nuts John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Friend of mine is $80k and 8 years into an Ericsson 30 rebuild. He can't get an offer of $20k.My CC 26 cost me $24k 12 years ago. Since then it's retail has halved and I've probably got $20k into it in up grades.When I bought it, there was no thought of selling it and there still isn't. Good job, 'cause this thought line can drive you nuts.I'm going to either leave it to one of the grandkids (if I can get one interested in sailing), or sail west until we (boat and I) fall off the edge - this is plan B 'cause I'm a lake sailor! sam :-) From: Dennis C. via CnC-ListSent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 6:27 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: Dennis C.Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CCI quit tracking $$ when I went north of $20K. That was years ago.Dennis C.Touché 35-1 #83Mandeville, LASent from my iPhoneOn Aug 6, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat.I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option...Cheers, Dave Godwin1982 CC 37 - RoninReedville - Chesapeake BayRonin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford abigger boat :(-Original Message-From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of DannyHaughey via CnC-ListSent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PMTo: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CCOMG...If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want toshoot myself!!! LOLThere is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOLDannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA-- Original Message --From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CCDate: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 +Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read itand laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it...The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little ofit was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally soundenough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive,but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat tobreak into, they'll probably choose somebody else.BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book.Walyou wrote:Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself .___This List is provided by the CC Photo AlbumEmail address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom ofpage at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___This List is provided by the CC Photo AlbumEmail address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom ofpage at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___This List is provided by the CC Photo AlbumEmail address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___This List is provided by the CC Photo AlbumEmail address:CnC-List@cnc-list.comTo change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Bought my 35 Mk I for 13 k 15 years ago. Compared to beach house rentals for one week/ year, I'm ahead of the game. It's not an investment, it's what you do with your disposable income. My family has not suffered. Chris Price 35 Mk I p. s. Sailing to Baltimore, getting-a slip and walking to the Ravens game tomorrow. Back to the club Friday for a Bridal shower for my daughter. Can't put a price on that. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Friend of mine is $80k and 8 years into an Ericsson 30 rebuild. He can't get an offer of $20k. My CC 26 cost me $24k 12 years ago. Since then it's retail has halved and I've probably got $20k into it in up grades. When I bought it, there was no thought of selling it and there still isn't. Good job, 'cause this thought line can drive you nuts. I'm going to either leave it to one of the grandkids (if I can get one interested in sailing), or sail west until we (boat and I) fall off the edge - this is plan B 'cause I'm a lake sailor! sam :-) From: Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 6:27 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Reply To: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC I quit tracking $$ when I went north of $20K. That was years ago. Dennis C. Touché 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA Sent from my iPhone On Aug 6, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Ha! I do keep that kind of accounting on all the money that I have and will be spending on our boat over the years. I can afford a new(er) boat. I’m just wondering why in the friggin’ hell I haven’t pulled the trigger on that option... Cheers, Dave Godwin 1982 CC 37 - Ronin Reedville - Chesapeake Bay Ronin’s Overdue Refit On Aug 6, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: If I kept that kind of accounting for my business I could probably afford a bigger boat :( -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 1:48 PM To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC OMG... If i kept that that kind of accounting foe my boat I'd probably want to shoot myself!!! LOL There is LOTS of things I conveniently forget that I had to pay for!!! LOL Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2014 17:39:48 + Read it and weep: http://www.wbryant.com/temp/refurbcost.pdf or read it and laugh. Or laugh and weep. Or drink tequila and don't worry about it... The amazing thing is that I did most of the work myself, and very little of it was cosmetic. That was intentional. The boat is structurally sound enough to survive anything that *I'm* structurally sound enough to survive, but if thieves are cruising by in a panga trying to decide which boat to break into, they'll probably choose somebody else. BTW, the boat that started this thread is not a neglected boat in any book. Wal you wrote: Fair warning: You'll spend far more then you think refurbishing a neglected boat, even buying used stuff, being creative with eBay, and working on it yourself . ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address
Stus-List big $$$ used CC (now upholstery)
About 8 to 10 years ago, I replaced all my upholstery with vinyl and mesh bottoms. I don't have any mildew problems but the vinyl is de laminating in spots that are most used or have a crease. I will have to replace everything again. I would never use vinyl again for interior upholstery but it's great for outdoors. Bob Bob Boyer S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD 1983 CC Landfall 38 - Hull #230 email: dainyr...@icloud.com blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. --Kenneth Grahame___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I haven't experienced that, but maybe what I call vinyl is actually Naugahyade. You can't find Naugahyde any more, because the Nauga's were hunted to near extinction. Then a bunch of college kids started this 'Save the Nauga' campaign, but it was too late. (That's an old joke, but still makes me giggle.) Wal you wrote: I don't have any mildew problems but the vinyl is de laminating in spots that are most used or have a crease. I will have to replace everything again. I would never use vinyl again for interior upholstery but it's great for outdoors. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC (now upholstery)
Nothing like trying to get to sleep on the hide of the Nauga on a Chesapeake Bay 99.999% humidity night and being pretty much glued to it in the morning. Joe Della Barba Coquina -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally Bryant via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 10:46 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC (now upholstery) I haven't experienced that, but maybe what I call vinyl is actually Naugahyade. You can't find Naugahyde any more, because the Nauga's were hunted to near extinction. Then a bunch of college kids started this 'Save the Nauga' campaign, but it was too late. (That's an old joke, but still makes me giggle.) Wal you wrote: I don't have any mildew problems but the vinyl is de laminating in spots that are most used or have a crease. I will have to replace everything again. I would never use vinyl again for interior upholstery but it's great for outdoors. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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http://www.nauga.com/history.html Gotta go. Joe wrote: Nothing like trying to get to sleep on the hide of the Nauga ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Discounted already…….. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used CC http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat. Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting.. Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner. Ship CC 33 3/4ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay' Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Discounted already…….. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used CC http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Peter (and everyone else), Peregrine is in Brenton Cove near the NYYC, be sure to stop by, if you can. We always have some cold beverage close at hand. Andy Peregrine CC 40 Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:32, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat. Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting.. Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner. Ship CC 33 3/4ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay' Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Discounted already…….. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used CC http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work on the cheap. My boat could really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of that exceeds the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that cost a good chunk of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have been quoted around $10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior cushions. I am not trying to be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact an old CC has found a loving home – but I don’t see the finances working the way you think. I have seen again and again that once you start taking things apart you find more and more things to work on. Good luck – I am anxious to hear how you get topsides and interior done so far under the going rate because I need it too. I am pretty good at A4 scrounging if you need advice with that. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM To: 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat. Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting.. Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner. Ship CC 33 3/4ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay' Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Discounted already…….. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used CC http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc
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Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic. After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase price without doing anything but what fun is that? Best Skip From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:31 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work on the cheap. My boat could really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of that exceeds the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that cost a good chunk of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have been quoted around $10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior cushions. I am not trying to be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact an old CC has found a loving home – but I don’t see the finances working the way you think. I have seen again and again that once you start taking things apart you find more and more things to work on. Good luck – I am anxious to hear how you get topsides and interior done so far under the going rate because I need it too. I am pretty good at A4 scrounging if you need advice with that. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM To: 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat. Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting.. Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner. Ship CC 33 3/4ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay' Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet
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I wonder how much a new Redwing 41 is? Probably in the same price range. Jerry cc 27 v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Discounted already…….. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used CC http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Hi Andy, thanks for the invite, likewise to you and any other members of the list. I am at the SW corner of main harbor. You would recognize Sundowner as it’s the only boat in the harbor with Fourwinds II, a large 2-blade wind generator. Granted it’s the peak of the season and at anytime someone else might show up with another Fourwinds II.The hull is flag blue. Burt, you sound like me when I first bought Sundowner. As far as cushion covers, if you have the time and are a DIY, get a portable sewing machine, like the Sailrite. Then you can make the cushions yourself and after that you can make the cockpit nice and comfortable as well. That sewing machine is worth it’s weight in gold. Also, if you tinkered enough with the A4, and when that time comes, get a used diesel and re-build it yourself. Few years back, while on the hard, using halyards and boom, we hoisted a re-built westerbeke 40 up and in. That was a site to see. Because my engine room is so tight, I could not assemble major parts with a diesel like I did so many times with the A4, right there in the engine room. So I had to hoist a fully loaded westerbeke block weighing somewhere around 450 lbs up and in. That re-build and install was a tough DIY job, but I couldn’t be happier. I plan to spend a week away this month but let me know what your plans are. You’re welcome to grab my mooring if I’m away. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Burton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 10:07 AM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Peter (and everyone else), Peregrine is in Brenton Cove near the NYYC, be sure to stop by, if you can. We always have some cold beverage close at hand. Andy Peregrine CC 40 Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:32, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat. Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting.. Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner. Ship CC 33 3/4ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay' Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md _ From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31
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Saw an estimated price of $410,000 for the Redwing. Joel On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I wonder how much a new Redwing 41 is? Probably in the same price range. Jerry cc 27 v JJ Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck S via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM *To:* Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list *Subject:* Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck *Resolute* 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Discounted already…….. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List big $$$ used CC http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now restoring old boats
It's rare to make a profit on an old boat. Basically, you need to buy one at salvage value that only needs cosmetic work, do the minimum and sell it quickly before dockage fees eat any potential profit. After Hurricane Katrina there were scores of totaled boats here in Louisiana. There are several of us here that work on boats and can do most repairs needed. How many of these boats did we buy? Zero. We knew we'd end up working for $5 an hour to fix them. Most went to people who wanted one to live on. They probably did nothing except tow the boat to a cheap marina, put a window air conditioner in it and live on it. Some went to new owners who wanted to fix them up and keep them. The rest were stripped, cut up and dumpstered. You restore an old boat for the joy of doing it, because you enjoy it, because it's a passion. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic. After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase price without doing anything but what fun is that? Best Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides
I second Russ' caution. If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot first. Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints. When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 320 grit sandpaper. We shot a test spot of Awlcraft. It didn't stick to the old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed. I ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line sander. Don't use a disc sander! Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good results. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?), Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty years you will have a chaulking problem down the road. I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada). On *Sweet *I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot urethane that the Admiral I put on, roll tip for cockpit, deck and cabin. For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep primer is 80% of the job. Cheers, Russ *Sweet *35 mk-1 (A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :) At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0519_01CFAD77.AF3D5720 Content-Language: en-us Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase price without doing anything but what fun is that? Best Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
I have an old Raytheon radar and chart plotter with an extra cockpit display mounted in a Navpod enclosure for 9.5 pedestal guards. All cables are included and the unit is in good working order. Contact me off list if you are interested. Monty Scandia 1991 CC 34+ Annapolis,MD Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC
Aren't we overthinking this? It may simply be that the owner promised his captain that he would try to sell it as long as he could still use it while it was on the market? On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Petar Horvatic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck S via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM *To:* Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list *Subject:* Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck *Resolute* 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md -- *From: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Discounted already…….. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Stus-List big $$$ used CC http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides
Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was used last. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM To: Russ Melody; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I second Russ' caution. If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot first. Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints. When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 320 grit sandpaper. We shot a test spot of Awlcraft. It didn't stick to the old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed. I ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line sander. Don't use a disc sander! Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good results. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?), Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty years you will have a chaulking problem down the road. I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada). On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot urethane that the Admiral I put on, roll tip for cockpit, deck and cabin. For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep primer is 80% of the job. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 (A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :) At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0519_01CFAD77.AF3D5720 Content-Language: en-us Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase price without doing anything but what fun is that? Best Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides
I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue – and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun. Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And Brightside is easy to touch up. My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. That adds about two days to my yard time. The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM To: 'Dennis C.' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was used last. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM To: Russ Melody; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I second Russ' caution. If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot first. Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints. When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 320 grit sandpaper. We shot a test spot of Awlcraft. It didn't stick to the old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed. I ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line sander. Don't use a disc sander! Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good results. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?), Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty years you will have a chaulking problem down the road. I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada). On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot urethane that the Admiral I put on, roll tip for cockpit, deck and cabin. For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep primer is 80% of the job. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 (A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :) At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0519_01CFAD77.AF3D5720 Content-Language: en-us Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a weekend on board. If sails come into the picture that number goes out the door. We will see where it all ends up but I am confident at this point that my efforts on this boat will (for the first time in my life) probably come back to me when I sell her for a bigger boat (the real upgrade). My guess is that I could have at least tripled my purchase price without doing anything but what fun is that? Best Skip ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com --- This email is free
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides
I painted my boat for less than $2,500 a couple of years ago. Did all of the prep work, bought the Awlgrip primer and paint, and hired a guy to shoot it. After the haul out, storage for the month, painting, new shaft, dripless shaft log, new cutlass bearing, bottom paint and relaunch I think I was up to $4,000 all in. Of course, nowadays most yards won't allow you to spray Awlgrip without an environmentally sound, enclosed space. I was lucky and got away with it. Chris Price Pradel 35 MK I - Original Message - From: Jack Brennan via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, August 1, 2014 6:41:39 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue – and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun. Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And Brightside is easy to touch up. My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. That adds about two days to my yard time. The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM To: 'Dennis C.' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was used last. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM To: Russ Melody; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I second Russ' caution. If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot first. Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints. When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 320 grit sandpaper. We shot a test spot of Awlcraft. It didn't stick to the old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed. I ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line sander. Don't use a disc sander! Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good results. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?), Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty years you will have a chaulking problem down the road. I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada). On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot urethane that the Admiral I put on, roll tip for cockpit, deck and cabin. For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep primer is 80% of the job. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 (A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :) At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0519_01CFAD77.AF3D5720 Content-Language: en-us Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong color. I am keeping in mind that this is not ever going to be a show boat. Just making it look good and feel good for two to spend a weekend
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides
Yeah. The only way I am spraying is to take my boat home… which is not entirely out of the question. I have a friend who is a master at spaying paint. He has countless classic show cars to his credit. Many are Corvettes so he has experience with fiberglass. Wait. I said I am not creating a show boat. Roller and tip will do just fine. It’s all about the preparation. I just want to go sailing! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Price via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:57 PM To: Jack Brennan; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I painted my boat for less than $2,500 a couple of years ago. Did all of the prep work, bought the Awlgrip primer and paint, and hired a guy to shoot it. After the haul out, storage for the month, painting, new shaft, dripless shaft log, new cutlass bearing, bottom paint and relaunch I think I was up to $4,000 all in. Of course, nowadays most yards won't allow you to spray Awlgrip without an environmentally sound, enclosed space. I was lucky and got away with it. Chris Price Pradel 35 MK I _ From: Jack Brennan via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, August 1, 2014 6:41:39 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue – and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun. Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And Brightside is easy to touch up. My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. That adds about two days to my yard time. The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM To: 'Dennis C.' mailto:capt...@gmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was used last. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM To: Russ Melody; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I second Russ' caution. If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot first. Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints. When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 320 grit sandpaper. We shot a test spot of Awlcraft. It didn't stick to the old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed. I ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line sander. Don't use a disc sander! Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good results. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?), Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty years you will have a chaulking problem down the road. I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada). On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot urethane that the Admiral I put on, roll tip for cockpit, deck and cabin. For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep primer is 80% of the job. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 (A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :) At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0519_01CFAD77.AF3D5720 Content-Language: en-us Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues
Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides
Topsides as in the hull above the waterline. I have put nonslip Kiwigrip on the deck with great results, with white Brightside in the areas that don’t require nonslip. Similar situation. It looks good, not as good as Awlgrip, and it’s extremely easy to touch up. Very functional for an older sailboat that you want to look niced without putting $$$ into the job. Kiwigrip goes for about $100 a gallon these days. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Burt Stratton Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:02 PM To: 'Jack Brennan' Subject: RE: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides Thanks. “topsides” Are you talking about the hull above the waterline or the deck? From: Jack Brennan [mailto:jackbren...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:42 PM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue – and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun. Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And Brightside is easy to touch up. My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. That adds about two days to my yard time. The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM To: 'Dennis C.' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was used last. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM To: Russ Melody; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I second Russ' caution. If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot first. Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints. When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 320 grit sandpaper. We shot a test spot of Awlcraft. It didn't stick to the old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed. I ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line sander. Don't use a disc sander! Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good results. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?), Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty years you will have a chaulking problem down the road. I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada). On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot urethane that the Admiral I put on, roll tip for cockpit, deck and cabin. For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep primer is 80% of the job. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 (A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :) At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0519_01CFAD77.AF3D5720 Content-Language: en-us Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT of elbow grease. My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. The hull is in good shape and I will not be completely stripping the old paint. It is in good shape, just a little beat up and the wrong
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Burt Stratton wrote: snip My wife is a very good seamstress and she is willing to do the cushions including adding some back rests. We already have the materials in hand (Sunbrella). I am not using Awlgrip, just some decent deck and epoxy paint. snip Skip - Re cushions you might get some ideas from my cushion project. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/Projects/cushions/new/ There is one thing that I *really* wish I had done. It was part of my original plan, but I let a local 'expert' talk me out of it. I wish I had sewn mesh into the bottom, instead of going with solid vinyl. The expert owned a local SF Bay canvas shop, and certainly knew a thing or two about dodgers and Sunbrella stuff. And he did cushions. Experienced long term cruisers had told me to line the bottom of the cushions with mesh (like Phifertex) so the cushions could breath. The expert told me that solid vinyl was best, to avoid having mildew develop on the plywood bench tops. So I followed his advice. Well, instead of having mold and mildew develop on top of the benches, I have mold and mildew inside the cushions. Great. It's really only a problem on 'my spot' which is where I sleep/eat/watch TV and do other activities. However, a mesh bottom would allow one to pull cushions out and set them on deck in the sun so they could dry out. Instead, I remove the foam from the cushions and dry them out separately. http://www.wbryant.com/weblogs/b5_0909/b5_4.jpg Wal -- s/v Stella Blue www.wbryant.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Try almost $150 a gallon. Ugh. But MAN it's great stuff! Just finished ours last month...easy peasy. Evan Morgan Wind Affair 1978 CC 26 Encounter Indianapolis -Original Message- From: Jack Brennan via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 8/1/2014 8:36 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides Topsides as in the hull above the waterline. I have put nonslip Kiwigrip on the deck with great results, with white Brightside in the areas that don’t require nonslip. Similar situation. It looks good, not as good as Awlgrip, and it’s extremely easy to touch up. Very functional for an older sailboat that you want to look niced without putting $$$ into the job. Kiwigrip goes for about $100 a gallon these days. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Burt Stratton Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 7:02 PM To: 'Jack Brennan' Subject: RE: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides Thanks. “topsides” Are you talking about the hull above the waterline or the deck? From: Jack Brennan [mailto:jackbren...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 6:42 PM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I painted my topsides with one-part Brightside about two years ago – flag blue – and have been happy with the results even in the Florida sun. Yeah, you get a slight fading if you don’t wax. I don’t mind because it still looks good, and I don’t want to have to strip off wax to do an occasional touch-up when I scrape something. That’s another advantage. Stuff happens. And Brightside is easy to touch up. My plan is to add another coat or two when I haul out every four or five years. That adds about two days to my yard time. The cost to do a nice job is under $100. With good prep, there’s no problem with peeling or chipping. For an older small boat, I just don’t see the sense of spending thousands on an Awlgrip paint job. Jack Brennan Former CC 25 Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30 Tierra Verde, Fl. From: Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 3:16 PM To: 'Dennis C.' ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides Good advice, thanks. I know the PO so perhaps he could tell me what paint was used last. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 12:37 PM To: Russ Melody; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC - now painting topsides I second Russ' caution. If you're not stripping the old paint, try a test spot first. Paints contain solvents which may not be compatible with other paints. When we painted Touche' a few years ago, I prepped the hull with degreaser then 320 grit sandpaper. We shot a test spot of Awlcraft. It didn't stick to the old paint and bubbled up where a second underlying paint had been exposed. I ended up stripping all the old layers of paint with a Hutchins straight line sander. Don't use a disc sander! Even after stripping, it required 3 coats of high build primer to get good results. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Russ Melody via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi Burt (or is it Skip or Ship?), Be careful with the epoxy paint. Unless they've change remarkably in twenty years you will have a chaulking problem down the road. I had a deck cabin painted with epoxy on one boat and a mast on the other boat. Both of them started leaving a white residue after a 1/2 dozen years. The cabin would show on clothing (like after sitting on it) and the mast has a white mess at the base after a rain. (We live in a rain forest, south western Canada). On Sweet I spent the extra bucks (~$600) for all supplies, and went with 2-pot urethane that the Admiral I put on, roll tip for cockpit, deck and cabin. For an economical job go with the Rustoleum urethane and put the best primer you can underneath it. As you probably know, prep primer is 80% of the job. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 (A4 replaced with a running take-out Yanmar diesel I got for $1500 seven years ago, but that's a whole 'nother topic :) At 07:59 AM 01/08/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0519_01CFAD77.AF3D5720 Content-Language: en-us Thanks for the offer, Joe. You never know with these old A4s. I’m sure you are right about the estimate but I have some wiggle room before I get to the value of the boat. The PO was planning on salvaging the rig and crushing the hull so you can imagine what I might have paid. The boat looked tough but most of the issues (and there are a lot) are cosmetic.  After three weeks we are ready to get her in the water and do some sailing before the season is over. I have spent so far just over $1500 and a LOT
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Note to self: Don't get work done on the boat in Chesapeake Bay. Re $5k for cushions, I just had all the cushions done on my 38. Two v berth cushions plus the filler, two settee cushions plus four seat backs and four arm cushions, quarter berth cushion, and assorted bolster cushions and pillows for lounging, reading, and propping up in the v berth. Bought the new foam, batting, upholstery fabric, etc myself at a store in New Bern that specialized in upholstery stuff. It is all synthetic material to resist mildew, and came with some sort of scotch guard coating. Total about $1100. Took it all to a local upholstery shop (one that doesn't specialize in boats. Cost to have cushions done was a bit over $1400. I got a quote last year on painting the hull only. $100 a foot, $150 a foot using Algrip. Haul and remove the rig so the boat can be put in the paint shed about $600 additional. Joe, sounds like you might need to plan a vacation in North Carolina. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:31, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: You must be *extraordinarily* good at doing work on the cheap. My boat could really use new sails, topside paint, and new cushions. The cost of that exceeds the market value of the boat. I did rewire my boat and that cost a good chunk of your proverbial $4K doing all the work myself. I have been quoted around $10K to paint the boat and over $5K to do interior cushions. I am not trying to be a Richard Cranium – I love the fact an old CC has found a loving home – but I don’t see the finances working the way you think. I have seen again and again that once you start taking things apart you find more and more things to work on. Good luck – I am anxious to hear how you get topsides and interior done so far under the going rate because I need it too. I am pretty good at A4 scrounging if you need advice with that. Joe Della Barba Coquina CC 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:32 AM To: 'Petar Horvatic'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Respectfully, that all depends on what you paid for the boat. I am happily renewing my 1974 33 foot 3/4ton without breaking the bank and I am virtually certain the value of the boat will increase beyond the money I am spending. Like anything, if you buy right and have some talent you have opportunity to invest a bit without worrying about losing your hard earned $$. I paid almost nothing for a complete and solid yet neglected hull with a very nice rig. Replacing all the windows and hatch lenses with polycarbonate cost less than $600. Renewing the interior will cost me some stripping supplies, varnish and paint. The cushion covers will be the biggest expense. Next year the hull and deck will get a new paint job. I will also completely re-wire both AC and DC systems. When I am done it will be very pretty and comfortable I will be into it for about $4k total, including the purchase of the boat….. (I do the bulk of the work myself) I am not including the normal cost of owning and using a boat. Now if I start doing things like a new diesel, radar, etc, it would quickly become a losing proposition but I like the A-4. I am on the lookout for a used radar/chartplotter in case anyone comes across something tempting.. Peter, we will with any luck be in Newport sometime later this month for a well-earned weekend on the hook. I’ll keep an eye out for the Sundowner. Ship CC 33 3/4ton Portsmouth, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar Horvatic via CnC-List Sent: Friday, August 01, 2014 9:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; 'Ebay' Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC You never get back the money you put upgrading a used sailboat. That will never sell at that price. It’s a balsa cored production sailboat. Not a Hinckley or Alden. On the other hand, note to myself don’t look for used sailboats in the Bay area. Petar Horvatic Sundowner 76 CC 38MkII Newport, RI From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:54 PM To: Ebay; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking.There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone
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http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Looks like a fishing expedition to me. Can get newer and longer CC at 1/2 that price. Dennis C. On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive *Joe Della Barba* *Coquina* ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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That is the CC 43 Evening Star. For many years it was in the Seattle area and owned by a long time CC enthusiast who restored and upgraded the boat to be one of the nicest 43’ boats around. It was also fast and well sailed every time we got 2 or 3 43’s on the starting line. A few years back the 43 was traded for the CC 48 (poss once named Discovery) that was for sale out of San Francisco. The new 48’ owner restored and upgraded the 48’ to his requirements and has recently been reported to be cruising the US east coast. IIRC it is now named Morning Star. The new 43’ owner in San Francisco almost immediately listed Evening Star for around $300K. The recent price range for a 70’s 43 runs from $49K to Evening Star’s current $175K. If someone wanted to own a 70’s 43 and did not want to spend the time to restore and upgrade themselves making an offer on Evening Star would make sense. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:59 PM To: Della Barba, Joe; CnClist Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Looks like a fishing expedition to me. Can get newer and longer CC at 1/2 that price. Dennis C. On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.commailto:CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Discounted already…….. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used CC http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Wow! A fully tweaked CC 43. Beautiful lines. Sweet sheerline and love how the cabintop blends into the foredeck. Great upgrades. First class job, but I don't think they'll get half of what they are asking. There are so many other choices on the market for less than $175K. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:46:36 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List big $$$ used CC Shame really. Someone put some money into her. More money to go I'm afraid. John Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Discounted already…….. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1973/C-%26-C-Custom-2598240/Sanfrancisco/CA/United-States From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:41 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List big $$$ used CC http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4585762460.html Nice Expensive Joe Della Barba Coquina blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com /blockquote ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
