Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
Turns out that I had pictures the whole time. Well now there are more. Part of the series of pictures is of the hole which was needed in order to remove the port aft fastener. Naturally I used that same access port to attach the new 1/4x20 stud. In retrospect I would not include that stud. Josh https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yd0UxdVVfWkEybjA On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... > > Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 > loops. > > We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless > abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I am > thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either > stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from Hamilton > Marine for about $160 apiece. > > I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking > stainless ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes in > the deck... > > Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? > > Thanks for the insights, > > Bruce Whitmore > > (847) 404-5092 (mobile) > bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
Second that too. My originals were drilled in place at the factory. My replacements needed to be oriented correctly fore and aft and port and starboard or they would not fit. Dave 33-2 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2017, at 12:50 PM, Josh Muckleywrote: > > Rick, > > You are correct. The holes are not standard. They were apparently drilled > in place. As such each one has minute differences in placement. That's why > the templates are so important. I will say that despite the appearance of > the wood rails the SS ones are so much stronger and easier to maintain. > Always clean and never need polished. They are slippery and if it was > anyone's habit to stand on the wooden rails then they will be surprised by > the insecure footing which is provided by the SS ones. That being said I > would sooner tie off to the SS rails than just about any other deck mounted > fitting aside from maybe the bow and stern cleats. > > Josh > > > >> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 12:32 PM Rick Rohwer via CnC-List >> wrote: >> I read somewhere on the forum that the holes mounting those rails are not a >> standard distance apart. I would have them reproduce from the original! My >> wife takes great pride in her varnish on those rails! I am a lucky man! >> Rick >> Paikea 37/40 >> >> >> Rick Rohwer >> 509 306 1094 >> >> >> >>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 09:03, Dave S via CnC-List wrote: >>> >>> Second on stainless. It's easier to get custom fitted than you might >>> think. Local shop took my old ones, used them to create a hole-Template on >>> a length of angle aluminum, then fabricated new ones on that. Perfect fit. >>> Increased the stand off height as well. >>> >>> Shoulda done it sooner. >>> >>> Dave, 33-2 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Aug 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Josh Muckley wrote: Many of us have gone with stainless steel handrails. I had mine custom made by whitewatermarine.com they turned great. If you remove the old ones first and send them with a cardboard template of each side you can better guarantee the results. I don't think I have any pictures but will probably be able to get some a little later today. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD > On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" > wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... > > Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 > loops. > > We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless > abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I > am thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either > stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from > Hamilton Marine for about $160 apiece. > > I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking > stainless ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes > in the deck... > > Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? > > Thanks for the insights, > > Bruce Whitmore > > (847) 404-5092 (mobile) > bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > >>> ___ >>> >>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >>> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
Ditto to all Dennis said. From: Dennis C. via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 11:54 AM To: CnClist Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center I used Whitewater for SS handrails on a J30. Turned out great. Just have to be VERY careful about measuring and sending them old ones. Your old rails may be both curved and crowned. They may "unflex" a bit once you remove them. Like Josh says, templates for the curve AND the crown will help. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Many of us have gone with stainless steel handrails. I had mine custom made by whitewatermarine.com they turned great. If you remove the old ones first and send them with a cardboard template of each side you can better guarantee the results. I don't think I have any pictures but will probably be able to get some a little later today. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hello all, I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 loops. We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I am thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from Hamilton Marine for about $160 apiece. I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking stainless ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes in the deck... Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? Thanks for the insights, Bruce Whitmore (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
Rick, You are correct. The holes are not standard. They were apparently drilled in place. As such each one has minute differences in placement. That's why the templates are so important. I will say that despite the appearance of the wood rails the SS ones are so much stronger and easier to maintain. Always clean and never need polished. They are slippery and if it was anyone's habit to stand on the wooden rails then they will be surprised by the insecure footing which is provided by the SS ones. That being said I would sooner tie off to the SS rails than just about any other deck mounted fitting aside from maybe the bow and stern cleats. Josh On Wed, Aug 9, 2017, 12:32 PM Rick Rohwer via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I read somewhere on the forum that the holes mounting those rails are not > a standard distance apart. I would have them reproduce from the original! > My wife takes great pride in her varnish on those rails! I am a lucky man! > Rick > Paikea 37/40 > > > Rick Rohwer > 509 306 1094 > > > > On Aug 9, 2017, at 09:03, Dave S via CnC-List> wrote: > > Second on stainless. It's easier to get custom fitted than you might > think. Local shop took my old ones, used them to create a hole-Template on > a length of angle aluminum, then fabricated new ones on that. Perfect fit. > Increased the stand off height as well. > > Shoulda done it sooner. > > Dave, 33-2 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Josh Muckley wrote: > > Many of us have gone with stainless steel handrails. I had mine custom > made by whitewatermarine.com they turned great. If you remove the old > ones first and send them with a cardboard template of each side you can > better guarantee the results. I don't think I have any pictures but will > probably be able to get some a little later today. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... >> >> Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 >> loops. >> >> We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless >> abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I am >> thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either >> stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from Hamilton >> Marine for about $160 apiece. >> >> I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking >> stainless ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes in >> the deck... >> >> Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? >> >> Thanks for the insights, >> >> Bruce Whitmore >> >> (847) 404-5092 (mobile) >> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
I read somewhere on the forum that the holes mounting those rails are not a standard distance apart. I would have them reproduce from the original! My wife takes great pride in her varnish on those rails! I am a lucky man! Rick Paikea 37/40 Rick Rohwer 509 306 1094 > On Aug 9, 2017, at 09:03, Dave S via CnC-Listwrote: > > Second on stainless. It's easier to get custom fitted than you might think. > Local shop took my old ones, used them to create a hole-Template on a length > of angle aluminum, then fabricated new ones on that. Perfect fit. > Increased the stand off height as well. > > Shoulda done it sooner. > > Dave, 33-2 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Josh Muckley wrote: >> >> Many of us have gone with stainless steel handrails. I had mine custom made >> by whitewatermarine.com they turned great. If you remove the old ones first >> and send them with a cardboard template of each side you can better >> guarantee the results. I don't think I have any pictures but will probably >> be able to get some a little later today. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >> >>> On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" >>> wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... >>> >>> Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 >>> loops. >>> >>> We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless >>> abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I am >>> thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either >>> stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from Hamilton >>> Marine for about $160 apiece. >>> >>> I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking >>> stainless ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes in >>> the deck... >>> >>> Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? >>> >>> Thanks for the insights, >>> >>> Bruce Whitmore >>> >>> (847) 404-5092 (mobile) >>> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >>> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >>> > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
Second on stainless. It's easier to get custom fitted than you might think. Local shop took my old ones, used them to create a hole-Template on a length of angle aluminum, then fabricated new ones on that. Perfect fit. Increased the stand off height as well. Shoulda done it sooner. Dave, 33-2 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Josh Muckleywrote: > > Many of us have gone with stainless steel handrails. I had mine custom made > by whitewatermarine.com they turned great. If you remove the old ones first > and send them with a cardboard template of each side you can better guarantee > the results. I don't think I have any pictures but will probably be able to > get some a little later today. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > >> On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" >> wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... >> >> Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 >> loops. >> >> We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless >> abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I am >> thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either >> stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from Hamilton >> Marine for about $160 apiece. >> >> I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking stainless >> ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes in the deck... >> >> Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? >> >> Thanks for the insights, >> >> Bruce Whitmore >> >> (847) 404-5092 (mobile) >> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
I had mine built so that there were 1/4x20 studs that extended from the bottom of each standoff. This allowed full reuse of the existing holes and through bolting. Many of the other replacements are a type of 3 screw flange for the standoffs and straight tubing. I completely dug out the existing holes and back filled with thickened epoxy before redrilling, bedding with butyl, and fastening with nylocks. You will find that the aft most screw on the port side has no access. After digging holes in my own boat I suggest that you simply cut the screw off, fill with epoxy, and then leave that single stand off without a stud for fastening. The stiffness of the tubing and the downward pressure of the other standoffs will provide all the security and protection needed for that short unsupported section of rail. Josh On Aug 9, 2017 11:39 AM, "bwhitmore via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks Josh, pictures would be great. > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > Original message > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 8/9/17 11:27 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center > > Many of us have gone with stainless steel handrails. I had mine custom > made by whitewatermarine.com they turned great. If you remove the old > ones first and send them with a cardboard template of each side you can > better guarantee the results. I don't think I have any pictures but will > probably be able to get some a little later today. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... >> >> Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 >> loops. >> >> We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless >> abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I am >> thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either >> stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from Hamilton >> Marine for about $160 apiece. >> >> I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking >> stainless ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes in >> the deck... >> >> Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? >> >> Thanks for the insights, >> >> Bruce Whitmore >> >> (847) 404-5092 (mobile) >> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
I used Whitewater for SS handrails on a J30. Turned out great. Just have to be VERY careful about measuring and sending them old ones. Your old rails may be both curved and crowned. They may "unflex" a bit once you remove them. Like Josh says, templates for the curve AND the crown will help. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Many of us have gone with stainless steel handrails. I had mine custom > made by whitewatermarine.com they turned great. If you remove the old > ones first and send them with a cardboard template of each side you can > better guarantee the results. I don't think I have any pictures but will > probably be able to get some a little later today. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... >> >> Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 >> loops. >> >> We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless >> abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I am >> thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either >> stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from Hamilton >> Marine for about $160 apiece. >> >> I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking >> stainless ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes in >> the deck... >> >> Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? >> >> Thanks for the insights, >> >> Bruce Whitmore >> >> (847) 404-5092 (mobile) >> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net >> >> ___ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
Thanks Josh, pictures would be great. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Date: 8/9/17 11:27 AM (GMT-05:00) To: C List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center Many of us have gone with stainless steel handrails. I had mine custom made by whitewatermarine.com they turned great. If you remove the old ones first and send them with a cardboard template of each side you can better guarantee the results. I don't think I have any pictures but will probably be able to get some a little later today. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk1989 C 37+Solomons, MD On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: Hello all, I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 loops. We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I am thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from Hamilton Marine for about $160 apiece. I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking stainless ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes in the deck... Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? Thanks for the insights, Bruce Whitmore (847) 404-5092 (mobile) bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List PVC Handrails, 12" On Center
Many of us have gone with stainless steel handrails. I had mine custom made by whitewatermarine.com they turned great. If you remove the old ones first and send them with a cardboard template of each side you can better guarantee the results. I don't think I have any pictures but will probably be able to get some a little later today. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 9, 2017 11:06 AM, "Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm looking for someone to correct me if I'm going down a bad path... > > Our 1994 C 37/40+ has grayed out teak grab rails, 12' on center with 6 > loops. > > We're in Florida, where sun likes to strip varnish away with ruthless > abandon, and the boat has a sleek, modern look on the outside anyway. I am > thinking about doing away with the teak rails and going with either > stainless handrails or, I see that I can get white PVC rails from Hamilton > Marine for about $160 apiece. > > I'm kind of thinking it might be hard to have really sleek looking > stainless ones made which would easily mount through the existing holes in > the deck... > > Anyone here have any experience with PVC handrails? > > Thanks for the insights, > > Bruce Whitmore > > (847) 404-5092 (mobile) > bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!