Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I just discovered this unopened email, From Matt.

I put this post out there, partly for you, Matt!

I know sometimes you are frustrated, but this is what you have to do -

Just tell Bierig to scale up my main a few feet to fit your plan– I don’t know 
what your boom is, but it should be probably around 16 feet – take the PHRF hit 
– they’ll only nick you six seconds, that is all they ever do, (and the 
checkbook hit) and you’ll never look back! You’ll be kicking my butt!

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PAanimated_favicon1

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matthew L. 
Wolford via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 6:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

 

Bill’s cheater main is definitely roachy (just kidding, Bill).

 

From: Bill Coleman <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>  via CnC-List 

Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 2:21 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 

Cc: Bill Coleman <mailto:colt...@verizon.net>  

Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

 

I think the biggest bang for the buck is a full roach main.

Shortly after buying the boat, I got mad at the boom and bought a new extrusion 
from Charleston, they sell in 2 foot increments. I was telling a friend (who 
also had a 39, and was an NA Intern at C&C in the early 70’s) what I was doing, 
and he said, don’t bother cutting that extra foot off, just leave it 14’, it 
will sail better”  So I did, and with a full roach, it was a game changer. PHRF 
nicked me 6 seconds, but it was well worth it. When the wind pipes up 18 – 20 
and over, I just drop the main and sail with the 140 Genoa.  Only (very slight 
drawback), is the 140 had to be a little heavy to do this.

Oh yeah, one other thing, in very light air you have to *help* the main across 
the backstay. 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 6:35 PM
To: Chuck S; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jim Giffing; Francois Rivard
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

 

Thanks for the comments all!!!

 

At minimum I am sure to have my wife crew with me - she is a willing and 
experienced crew. Sadly both my boys are living in Michigan now so neither of 
them nor their sig others are around anymore.  But I hope to scrounge up a few 
friends when needed.

 

I worked it out with the sailmaker. He was trying to decide whether to build a 
light Genoa or a flatter medium light that I could carry a little longer. I 
opted for the latter. I don’t need to go thru a panic sail change if the wind 
suddenly pipes up just because of the fear of damaging the sail.

 

So now the deposit has been mailed and the waiting begins. Getting excited to 
have a new sail.

 

Still have to get the cutlass bearing dealt with and few other spring 
“projects” completed and back in the water! Yippee! Spring is around the corner.

 

Thanks

Jim

S/V Strong Tower

1977 C&C Mk1

North East Md

 

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM -0500, "Chuck S"  wrote:

Francois, 

Thanks for a very thorough response.  I learn from your observations, always.   
We need to get together for a double handed race n the Chesapeake.

 

Jim, 

younger crew are harder and harder to find.  My all-time best crew of 2012 went 
to college and graduated and one is a sales rep for Doyle Sails in Florida, 
another works in NYC in IT, and another is an officer with NOAA stationed in 
Hawaii.   My own son is doing IT in a startup in Las Vegas.

 

I live and work in NJ and I'm 63 and race solo on a C&C 34R out of Magothy 
River without crew, no arguments, no worries, I love the experiences without 
any negatives.  I haven't won anything but I'm having fun doing the distance 
races to Baltimore or Annapolis out and back.

 

You should consider sailing solo or even two handed.  Join CHESSS at 
www.chbaysss.org

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

On February 7, 2018 at 5:00 PM Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I sail a 34+, not a 29 but here's what I was told by my sail maker who was the 
guy beat in the phrf cruiser class for many years on the lake.  

 

For what it's worth: 

 

For racing in light wind conditions (10 and under) , especially beer can racing 
the 150 - 155 gennies are gold, you get great power accelerating the boat away 
from the cans. 

 

That has certainly been our experience.  Our 150 was literally a game changer 
on Wednesday nights, worth far more than the phrf adjustment.  The added 
straight line talent more than offsets the reduced pointing and added time for 
tacks.  

 

Easy way to see when to change / or pick another sail to start with? If you see 
white caps ->  use the 135.  

 

 

If not racing  / just cruising around we use the 

Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Bill’s cheater main is definitely roachy (just kidding, Bill).

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 2:21 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

I think the biggest bang for the buck is a full roach main.

Shortly after buying the boat, I got mad at the boom and bought a new extrusion 
from Charleston, they sell in 2 foot increments. I was telling a friend (who 
also had a 39, and was an NA Intern at C&C in the early 70’s) what I was doing, 
and he said, don’t bother cutting that extra foot off, just leave it 14’, it 
will sail better”  So I did, and with a full roach, it was a game changer. PHRF 
nicked me 6 seconds, but it was well worth it. When the wind pipes up 18 – 20 
and over, I just drop the main and sail with the 140 Genoa.  Only (very slight 
drawback), is the 140 had to be a little heavy to do this.

Oh yeah, one other thing, in very light air you have to *help* the main across 
the backstay. 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Giffing 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 6:35 PM
To: Chuck S; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jim Giffing; Francois Rivard
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

 

Thanks for the comments all!!!

 

At minimum I am sure to have my wife crew with me - she is a willing and 
experienced crew. Sadly both my boys are living in Michigan now so neither of 
them nor their sig others are around anymore.  But I hope to scrounge up a few 
friends when needed.

 

I worked it out with the sailmaker. He was trying to decide whether to build a 
light Genoa or a flatter medium light that I could carry a little longer. I 
opted for the latter. I don’t need to go thru a panic sail change if the wind 
suddenly pipes up just because of the fear of damaging the sail.

 

So now the deposit has been mailed and the waiting begins. Getting excited to 
have a new sail.

 

Still have to get the cutlass bearing dealt with and few other spring 
“projects” completed and back in the water! Yippee! Spring is around the corner.

 

Thanks

Jim

S/V Strong Tower

1977 C&C Mk1

North East Md

 

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM -0500, "Chuck S"  wrote:

Francois, 

Thanks for a very thorough response.  I learn from your observations, always.   
We need to get together for a double handed race n the Chesapeake.

 

Jim, 

younger crew are harder and harder to find.  My all-time best crew of 2012 went 
to college and graduated and one is a sales rep for Doyle Sails in Florida, 
another works in NYC in IT, and another is an officer with NOAA stationed in 
Hawaii.   My own son is doing IT in a startup in Las Vegas.

 

I live and work in NJ and I'm 63 and race solo on a C&C 34R out of Magothy 
River without crew, no arguments, no worries, I love the experiences without 
any negatives.  I haven't won anything but I'm having fun doing the distance 
races to Baltimore or Annapolis out and back.

 

You should consider sailing solo or even two handed.  Join CHESSS at 
www.chbaysss.org

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

  On February 7, 2018 at 5:00 PM Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  I sail a 34+, not a 29 but here's what I was told by my sail maker who was 
the guy beat in the phrf cruiser class for many years on the lake.  

   

  For what it's worth: 

   

  For racing in light wind conditions (10 and under) , especially beer can 
racing the 150 - 155 gennies are gold, you get great power accelerating the 
boat away from the cans. 

   

  That has certainly been our experience.  Our 150 was literally a game changer 
on Wednesday nights, worth far more than the phrf adjustment.  The added 
straight line talent more than offsets the reduced pointing and added time for 
tacks.  

   

  Easy way to see when to change / or pick another sail to start with? If you 
see white caps ->  use the 135.  

   

   

  If not racing  / just cruising around we use the 135 unless it's really light 
like 5-6 knots or less.  We use it because we have it..  If I was not racing I 
could definitely get by on the 135 only.  

   

  my 2 cents. 

   

  Best regards, 

   

  Francois Rivard

  1990 34+ "Take Five"

  Lake Lanier, GA

   

   

   

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Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Same here, Bill

I had UK build a gold tape drive main with the most roach that the boat's
rig can stand.The local PHRF committee nicked me 6 secs, but this sail more
than made up for the lost time. We have a Tides Marine strong track on the
mast so in light light air we just drop the main about a foot, tack &
re-hoist then use the cunningham to tweak the shape and in any breeze over
8 knots the roach just pops under the backstay and off we go. Note that UK
added thick Mylar chafe guards over the top batten to reduce the friction
where it contact the backstay


Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY (C&C 39TM)
US12788
Savannah, GA USA

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On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I think the biggest bang for the buck is a full roach main.
>
> Shortly after buying the boat, I got mad at the boom and bought a new
> extrusion from Charleston, they sell in 2 foot increments. I was telling a
> friend (who also had a 39, and was an NA Intern at C&C in the early 70’s)
> what I was doing, and he said, don’t bother cutting that extra foot off,
> just leave it 14’, it will sail better”  So I did, and with a full roach,
> it was a game changer. PHRF nicked me 6 seconds, but it was well worth it.
> When the wind pipes up 18 – 20 and over, I just drop the main and sail with
> the 140 Genoa.  Only (very slight drawback), is the 140 had to be a little
> heavy to do this.
>
> Oh yeah, one other thing, in very light air you have to **help** the main
> across the backstay.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39 Erie, PA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim
> Giffing via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 07, 2018 6:35 PM
> *To:* Chuck S; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Jim Giffing; Francois Rivard
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1
>
>
>
> Thanks for the comments all!!!
>
>
>
> At minimum I am sure to have my wife crew with me - she is a willing and
> experienced crew. Sadly both my boys are living in Michigan now so neither
> of them nor their sig others are around anymore.  But I hope to scrounge up
> a few friends when needed.
>
>
>
> I worked it out with the sailmaker. He was trying to decide whether to
> build a light Genoa or a flatter medium light that I could carry a little
> longer. I opted for the latter. I don’t need to go thru a panic sail change
> if the wind suddenly pipes up just because of the fear of damaging the sail.
>
>
>
> So now the deposit has been mailed and the waiting begins. Getting excited
> to have a new sail.
>
>
>
> Still have to get the cutlass bearing dealt with and few other spring
> “projects” completed and back in the water! Yippee! Spring is around the
> corner.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
> S/V Strong Tower
>
> 1977 C&C Mk1
>
> North East Md
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM -0500, "Chuck S" 
> wrote:
>
> Francois,
>
> Thanks for a very thorough response.  I learn from your observations,
> always.   We need to get together for a double handed race n the Chesapeake.
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> younger crew are harder and harder to find.  My all-time best crew of 2012
> went to college and graduated and one is a sales rep for Doyle Sails in
> Florida, another works in NYC in IT, and another is an officer with NOAA
> stationed in Hawaii.   My own son is doing IT in a startup in Las Vegas.
>
>
>
> I live and work in NJ and I'm 63 and race solo on a C&C 34R out of Magothy
> River without crew, no arguments, no worries, I love the experiences
> without any negatives.  I haven't won anything but I'm having fun doing the
> distance races to Baltimore or Annapolis out and back.
>
>
>
> You should consider sailing solo or even two handed.  Join CHESSS at
> www.chbaysss.org
>
>
>
> Chuck
> *Resolute*
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
> On February 7, 2018 at 5:00 PM Francois Rivard via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I sail a 34+, not a 29 but here's what I was told by my sail maker who was
> the guy beat in the phrf cruiser class for many years on the lake.
>
>
>
> For what 

Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[robert via CnC-List]

We raced a 33 MKII extensivelyhad good sails...boat handled 
wellthen the owner got a new Doyle Pentax full roach mainhe 
didn't know he was getting a main with a big roach he didn't have 
originallythe sail maker, Brad from Doyle took it upon himself to do 
it, he knew we were seriously campaigning the boat.


There was a noticeable difference and not that the old main sail was all 
that bad...it wasn't, Bruce had decided he wanted a new main.


We felt the big roach helped to point that boat very well and the extra 
sq. footage in the main downwind didn't slow us down.


And yes, in light air you need to 'feather' the main across the backstay 
but it is worth itthe other points of sail outweigh the light air stuff.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2018-02-09 3:21 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List wrote:


I think the biggest bang for the buck is a full roach main.

Shortly after buying the boat, I got mad at the boom and bought a new 
extrusion from Charleston, they sell in 2 foot increments. I was 
telling a friend (who also had a 39, and was an NA Intern at C&C in 
the early 70’s) what I was doing, and he said, don’t bother cutting 
that extra foot off, just leave it 14’, it will sail better”  So I 
did, and with a full roach, it was a game changer. PHRF nicked me 6 
seconds, but it was well worth it. When the wind pipes up 18 – 20 and 
over, I just drop the main and sail with the 140 Genoa.  Only (very 
slight drawback), is the 140 had to be a little heavy to do this.


Oh yeah, one other thing, in very light air you have to **help** the 
main across the backstay.


Bill Coleman




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Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

I think the biggest bang for the buck is a full roach main.

Shortly after buying the boat, I got mad at the boom and bought a new extrusion 
from Charleston, they sell in 2 foot increments. I was telling a friend (who 
also had a 39, and was an NA Intern at C&C in the early 70’s) what I was doing, 
and he said, don’t bother cutting that extra foot off, just leave it 14’, it 
will sail better”  So I did, and with a full roach, it was a game changer. PHRF 
nicked me 6 seconds, but it was well worth it. When the wind pipes up 18 – 20 
and over, I just drop the main and sail with the 140 Genoa.  Only (very slight 
drawback), is the 140 had to be a little heavy to do this.

Oh yeah, one other thing, in very light air you have to *help* the main across 
the backstay. 

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jim Giffing 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 6:35 PM
To: Chuck S; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jim Giffing; Francois Rivard
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

 

Thanks for the comments all!!!

 

At minimum I am sure to have my wife crew with me - she is a willing and 
experienced crew. Sadly both my boys are living in Michigan now so neither of 
them nor their sig others are around anymore.  But I hope to scrounge up a few 
friends when needed.

 

I worked it out with the sailmaker. He was trying to decide whether to build a 
light Genoa or a flatter medium light that I could carry a little longer. I 
opted for the latter. I don’t need to go thru a panic sail change if the wind 
suddenly pipes up just because of the fear of damaging the sail.

 

So now the deposit has been mailed and the waiting begins. Getting excited to 
have a new sail.

 

Still have to get the cutlass bearing dealt with and few other spring 
“projects” completed and back in the water! Yippee! Spring is around the corner.

 

Thanks

Jim

S/V Strong Tower

1977 C&C Mk1

North East Md

 

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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM -0500, "Chuck S"  wrote:

Francois, 

Thanks for a very thorough response.  I learn from your observations, always.   
We need to get together for a double handed race n the Chesapeake.

 

Jim, 

younger crew are harder and harder to find.  My all-time best crew of 2012 went 
to college and graduated and one is a sales rep for Doyle Sails in Florida, 
another works in NYC in IT, and another is an officer with NOAA stationed in 
Hawaii.   My own son is doing IT in a startup in Las Vegas.

 

I live and work in NJ and I'm 63 and race solo on a C&C 34R out of Magothy 
River without crew, no arguments, no worries, I love the experiences without 
any negatives.  I haven't won anything but I'm having fun doing the distance 
races to Baltimore or Annapolis out and back.

 

You should consider sailing solo or even two handed.  Join CHESSS at 
www.chbaysss.org

 

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

On February 7, 2018 at 5:00 PM Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I sail a 34+, not a 29 but here's what I was told by my sail maker who was the 
guy beat in the phrf cruiser class for many years on the lake.  

 

For what it's worth: 

 

For racing in light wind conditions (10 and under) , especially beer can racing 
the 150 - 155 gennies are gold, you get great power accelerating the boat away 
from the cans. 

 

That has certainly been our experience.  Our 150 was literally a game changer 
on Wednesday nights, worth far more than the phrf adjustment.  The added 
straight line talent more than offsets the reduced pointing and added time for 
tacks.  

 

Easy way to see when to change / or pick another sail to start with? If you see 
white caps ->  use the 135.  

 

 

If not racing  / just cruising around we use the 135 unless it's really light 
like 5-6 knots or less.  We use it because we have it..  If I was not racing I 
could definitely get by on the 135 only.  

 

my 2 cents. 

 

Best regards, 

 

Francois Rivard

1990 34+ "Take Five"

Lake Lanier, GA

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 mk1

[Ted Drossos via CnC-List]

When I raced my 29-2 I would change from a 155% to either a 125% or 135% when 
sustained apparent wind was 20 knots or greater. There was a 29-1 in our fleet 
who had to shorten sail sooner than us. I sold my boat and have two racing 
headsails available if anyone is interested . They are 100% and 125% and were 
only used three times. 


Ted Drossos
C&C 110
Lady in Red
Long Island, NY

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Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Jim,

Sounds like a great plan.  I'm looking forward to hearing your comments
about the new sail.

Have fun with the projects!

-Francois
1990 34+  "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Jim Giffing  wrote:

> Thanks for the comments all!!!
>
> At minimum I am sure to have my wife crew with me - she is a willing and
> experienced crew. Sadly both my boys are living in Michigan now so neither
> of them nor their sig others are around anymore.  But I hope to scrounge up
> a few friends when needed.
>
> I worked it out with the sailmaker. He was trying to decide whether to
> build a light Genoa or a flatter medium light that I could carry a little
> longer. I opted for the latter. I don’t need to go thru a panic sail change
> if the wind suddenly pipes up just because of the fear of damaging the sail.
>
> So now the deposit has been mailed and the waiting begins. Getting excited
> to have a new sail.
>
> Still have to get the cutlass bearing dealt with and few other spring
> “projects” completed and back in the water! Yippee! Spring is around the
> corner.
>
> Thanks
> Jim
> S/V Strong Tower
> 1977 C&C Mk1
> North East Md
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM -0500, "Chuck S" 
> wrote:
>
> Francois,
>>
>> Thanks for a very thorough response.  I learn from your observations,
>> always.   We need to get together for a double handed race n the Chesapeake.
>>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> younger crew are harder and harder to find.  My all-time best crew of
>> 2012 went to college and graduated and one is a sales rep for Doyle Sails
>> in Florida, another works in NYC in IT, and another is an officer with NOAA
>> stationed in Hawaii.   My own son is doing IT in a startup in Las Vegas.
>>
>>
>> I live and work in NJ and I'm 63 and race solo on a C&C 34R out of
>> Magothy River without crew, no arguments, no worries, I love the
>> experiences without any negatives.  I haven't won anything but I'm having
>> fun doing the distance races to Baltimore or Annapolis out and back.
>>
>>
>> You should consider sailing solo or even two handed.  Join CHESSS at
>> www.chbaysss.org
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>>
>> On February 7, 2018 at 5:00 PM Francois Rivard via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I sail a 34+, not a 29 but here's what I was told by my sail maker who
>> was the guy beat in the phrf cruiser class for many years on the lake.
>>
>> For what it's worth:
>>
>> For racing in light wind conditions (10 and under) , especially beer can
>> racing the 150 - 155 gennies are gold, you get great power accelerating the
>> boat away from the cans.
>>
>> That has certainly been our experience.  Our 150 was literally a game
>> changer on Wednesday nights, worth far more than the phrf adjustment.  The
>> added straight line talent more than offsets the reduced pointing and added
>> time for tacks.
>>
>> Easy way to see when to change / or pick another sail to start with? If
>> you see white caps ->  use the 135.
>>
>>
>> If not racing  / just cruising around we use the 135 unless it's really
>> light like 5-6 knots or less.  We use it because we have it..  If I was not
>> racing I could definitely get by on the 135 only.
>>
>> my 2 cents.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Francois Rivard
>> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
>> Lake Lanier, GA
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>>
>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each
>> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use
>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Jim Giffing via CnC-List]

Thanks for the comments all!!!
At minimum I am sure to have my wife crew with me - she is a willing and 
experienced crew. Sadly both my boys are living in Michigan now so neither of 
them nor their sig others are around anymore.  But I hope to scrounge up a few 
friends when needed.
I worked it out with the sailmaker. He was trying to decide whether to build a 
light Genoa or a flatter medium light that I could carry a little longer. I 
opted for the latter. I don’t need to go thru a panic sail change if the wind 
suddenly pipes up just because of the fear of damaging the sail.
So now the deposit has been mailed and the waiting begins. Getting excited to 
have a new sail.
Still have to get the cutlass bearing dealt with and few other spring 
“projects” completed and back in the water! Yippee! Spring is around the corner.
ThanksJimS/V Strong Tower1977 C&C Mk1North East Md



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On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM -0500, "Chuck S"  wrote:















Francois, 

Thanks for a very thorough response.  I learn from your observations, always.   
We need to get together for a double handed race n the Chesapeake.




Jim, 

younger crew are harder and harder to find.  My all-time best crew of 2012 went 
to college and graduated and one is a sales rep for Doyle Sails in Florida, 
another works in NYC in IT, and another is an officer with NOAA stationed in 
Hawaii.   My own son is doing IT in a startup in Las Vegas.




I live and work in NJ and I'm 63 and race solo on a C&C 34R out of Magothy 
River without crew, no arguments, no worries, I love the experiences without 
any negatives.  I haven't won anything but I'm having fun doing the distance 
races to Baltimore or Annapolis out and back.




You should consider sailing solo or even two handed.  Join CHESSS at 
www.chbaysss.org




Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, MdOn February 7, 2018 at 5:00 PM Francois Rivard 
via CnC-List  wrote:

I sail a 34+, not a 29 but here's what I was told by my sail maker who was the 
guy beat in the phrf cruiser class for many years on the lake.  
For what it's worth: 
For racing in light wind conditions (10 and under) , especially beer can racing 
the 150 - 155 gennies are gold, you get great power accelerating the boat away 
from the cans. 
That has certainly been our experience.  Our 150 was literally a game changer 
on Wednesday nights, worth far more than the phrf adjustment.  The added 
straight line talent more than offsets the reduced pointing and added time for 
tacks.  
Easy way to see when to change / or pick another sail to start with? If you see 
white caps ->  use the 135.  

If not racing  / just cruising around we use the 135 unless it's really light 
like 5-6 knots or less.  We use it because we have it..  If I was not racing I 
could definitely get by on the 135 only.  
my 2 cents. 
Best regards, 
Francois Rivard1990 34+ "Take Five"Lake Lanier, GA


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Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Francois,

Thanks for a very thorough response.  I learn from your observations, always.   
We need to get together for a double handed race n the Chesapeake.


Jim,

younger crew are harder and harder to find.  My all-time best crew of 2012 went 
to college and graduated and one is a sales rep for Doyle Sails in Florida, 
another works in NYC in IT, and another is an officer with NOAA stationed in 
Hawaii.   My own son is doing IT in a startup in Las Vegas.


I live and work in NJ and I'm 63 and race solo on a C&C 34R out of Magothy 
River without crew, no arguments, no worries, I love the experiences without 
any negatives.  I haven't won anything but I'm having fun doing the distance 
races to Baltimore or Annapolis out and back.


You should consider sailing solo or even two handed.  Join CHESSS at 
www.chbaysss.org


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

> On February 7, 2018 at 5:00 PM Francois Rivard via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I sail a 34+, not a 29 but here's what I was told by my sail maker who 
> was the guy beat in the phrf cruiser class for many years on the lake.  
> 
> For what it's worth: 
> 
> For racing in light wind conditions (10 and under) , especially beer can 
> racing the 150 - 155 gennies are gold, you get great power accelerating the 
> boat away from the cans. 
> 
> That has certainly been our experience.  Our 150 was literally a game 
> changer on Wednesday nights, worth far more than the phrf adjustment.  The 
> added straight line talent more than offsets the reduced pointing and added 
> time for tacks.  
> 
> Easy way to see when to change / or pick another sail to start with? If 
> you see white caps ->  use the 135.  
> 
> 
> If not racing  / just cruising around we use the 135 unless it's really 
> light like 5-6 knots or less.  We use it because we have it..  If I was not 
> racing I could definitely get by on the 135 only.  
> 
> my 2 cents. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Francois Rivard
> 1990 34+ "Take Five"
> Lake Lanier, GA
> 
> 
> 
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Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Francois Rivard via CnC-List]

I sail a 34+, not a 29 but here's what I was told by my sail maker who was
the guy beat in the phrf cruiser class for many years on the lake.

For what it's worth:

For racing in light wind conditions (10 and under) , especially beer can
racing the 150 - 155 gennies are gold, you get great power accelerating the
boat away from the cans.

That has certainly been our experience.  Our 150 was literally a game
changer on Wednesday nights, worth far more than the phrf adjustment.  The
added straight line talent more than offsets the reduced pointing and added
time for tacks.

Easy way to see when to change / or pick another sail to start with? If you
see white caps ->  use the 135.


If not racing  / just cruising around we use the 135 unless it's really
light like 5-6 knots or less.  We use it because we have it..  If I was not
racing I could definitely get by on the 135 only.

my 2 cents.

Best regards,

Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA
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Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Jim Giffing via CnC-List]

David:

Sailing on the Chesapeake... lots of 10Kt and below days during the season.
Also getting this hopefully for potential club racing.

For casual sailing I will use an older 130 or a plain jib.

And with a foil and dual halyards, change over is really not so bad... but
then I am getting older :) Just need younger crew :)

Thanks,
Jim

S/V Strong Tower
1977 C&C 29 Mk1
North East MD
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Re: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[David via CnC-List]

Do you really need a 155%?   Think of prevailing wind speeds, use, crew and PIA 
factor (changing headsails is not always fun)...


David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Jim Giffing via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:47 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Jim Giffing
Subject: Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

Hi 29’ers

I am in the process of buying new 155 genny as the one the boat (mark 1) when I 
bought it was trash and truly not useable. So really I have no experience with 
it.

The sailmaker is asking me when do I change over... at what windspeed? Given 
the tenderness of the boat I was thinking 10 kts. true.

What’s your experience?
Thanks
Jim
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Stus-List Sail Changeover for 29 Mk1

[Jim Giffing via CnC-List]

Hi 29’ers

I am in the process of buying new 155 genny as the one the boat (mark 1)
when I bought it was trash and truly not useable. So really I have no
experience with it.

The sailmaker is asking me when do I change over... at what windspeed?
Given the tenderness of the boat I was thinking 10 kts. true.

What’s your experience?
Thanks
Jim
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