On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com
wrote:
So I’ll try the Developer Program support phone number tomorrow, but beyond
that, there’s not much left to try. The DTS web form seems to be the only
game in town.
…and the end of the matter: I got through to
On 2014 Feb 21, at 18:24, Scott Ribe wrote:
On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Bradley O'Hearne
br...@bighillsoftware.com wrote:
Industries such as medical (HIPAA), legal, government, education,
military defense, etc. all have such security needs.
The only way I can see for the app under discussion
On 23 Feb 2014, at 06:09, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no Cocoa to this. This is OT.
Thread should end.
What is it with you and this thread? He’s already stated his requirements and
asked for workarounds and solutions. The only people dragging this discussion
kicking
On 23 Feb 2014, at 11:20, Uli Kusterer witness.of.teacht...@gmx.net wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 06:09, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no Cocoa to this. This is OT.
Thread should end.
What is it with you and this thread?
Sorry, I shouldn’t have written it like that. And
I don’t like the idea of deleting random files on the user’s computer as it
could cause major problems. You could take the snapchat approach and just send
notifications to the proctor when files are created during a test.
Thanks,
Jon
On Feb 22, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Matt Gough
On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:09 PM, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
How would you know what files to watch for?
File extensions are really unreliable means of knowing content types.
Because the built-in screen shot functionality uses a really obvious naming
convention, and drops the
Le 23 févr. 2014 à 16:34, Scott Ribe scott_r...@elevated-dev.com a écrit :
On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:09 PM, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
How would you know what files to watch for?
File extensions are really unreliable means of knowing content types.
Because the built-in screen
On 23.02.2014, at 17:16, Etienne Samson samson.etie...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 23 févr. 2014 à 16:34, Scott Ribe scott_r...@elevated-dev.com a écrit :
On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:09 PM, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
How would you know what files to watch for?
File extensions are
An app that deletes files on another persons Mac, blocks certain functions of
the OS, and reports stuff really sounds like a trojan to me. I guess Apple has
done a lot to prohibit this kind of behaviour from apps, so even if the app
made by the thread-starter is legit, the mechanics would be
On Feb 23, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Scott Ribe scott_r...@elevated-dev.com wrote:
On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:09 PM, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
How would you know what files to watch for?
File extensions are really unreliable means of knowing content types.
Because the built-in screen
On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:32, Kyle Sluder k...@ksluder.com wrote:
Control-Shift-3 puts the screenshot on the pasteboard
Command-control-shift-3.
Steve via iPad
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On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:09 PM, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no Cocoa to this. This is OT.
That is absolutely not true, it is *entirely* a question of Cocoa API, but….
Thread should end.
…I’ll actually request the thread end, because it has unfortunately been
swallowed
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On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:09 PM, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
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Subject: Re: Disabling screen capture
On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:09 PM, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
How would you know what files to watch for?
File
On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com wrote:
I’ve spent the last hour trying to post an issue to DTS via the Apple Mac
Developer Program Member Center….no dice. Despite the fact I have all fields
filled out, I keep getting the error message:
“We are
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Gary L. Wade garyw...@desisoftsystems.com
wrote:
You did go to this page, right?
https://developer.apple.com/membercenter/index.action#requestTechSupport
Yep, that's the one.
I remembered one form on the site, not this one, that I had to
On 21 Feb 2014, at 22:26, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com wrote:
This is an app that the user has willfully installed, and has willfully
launched, fully knowing its function and purpose. The app does nothing until
the user launches it, the user can exit the app at any time, and no
On 21 Feb 2014, at 23:30, SevenBits sevenbitst...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, yes, but Apple has the source code to OS X. There’s an important
difference in that users cannot simply just delete important OS components.
In some other operating systems (e.g Linux) everything works with packages
On 22 Feb 2014, at 00:56, Ron Hunsinger listrep...@erstesoft.com wrote:
Parental controls with a Simple Finder is pretty close to kiosk mode.
Just using Mac OS X Kiosk mode would probably be even closer. :-) But judging
from the login terminals at 1 Infinite Loop, Kiosk mode doesn’t turn off
On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Uli Kusterer witness.of.teacht...@gmx.net wrote:
On 21 Feb 2014, at 23:30, SevenBits sevenbitst...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, yes, but Apple has the source code to OS X. There’s an important
difference in that users cannot simply just delete important OS components.
OK,
So lets assume that you can’t actually prevent the screen being captured. Maybe
a solution would be to prevent that captured data from surviving very long.
e.g Install an FSEvents watcher and look out for image and movie files being
created on the entire disk. Then delete them while your
On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Uli Kusterer witness.of.teacht...@gmx.net wrote:
Just using Mac OS X Kiosk mode would probably be even closer. :-) But judging
from the login terminals at 1 Infinite Loop, Kiosk mode doesn’t turn off
screen shots.
I feel dirty for saying this ;-) But if you
On 2014/02/23, at 13:35, Scott Ribe scott_r...@elevated-dev.com wrote:
I feel dirty for saying this ;-) But if you can't disable screen shots, how
about: using fsevents to watch for the files to be created, and delete them.
(Or, in this case raise a big fat alarm so the proctor will
On 20 Feb 2014, at 20:58, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com wrote:
At WWDC 2013, I approached the Apple engineering teams with a need that a
client of mine had to disable all screen capture while an app was running.
This includes the hotkeys for taking screenshots, capturing displays
On Feb 21, 2014, at 5:33 AM, Uli Kusterer witness.of.teacht...@gmx.net wrote:
On 20 Feb 2014, at 20:58, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com wrote:
At WWDC 2013, I approached the Apple engineering teams with a need that a
client of mine had to disable all screen capture while an app
On Feb 20, 2014, at 4:23 PM, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2014/02/21, at 8:05, Stevo Brock devli...@sunsetmagicwerks.com wrote:
On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Jens Alfke wrote:
If I were trying to circumvent this I'd just use my iPhone camera to take a
photo or video of the
It sounds like the computers are owned by the people taking the test,
and are not owned by the testing center.
How is the test data delivered to the client?
What's to prevent someone from grabbing network traffic and memory of
the test application in the background?
--Jim
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014
On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com wrote:
when the app runs, it has to temporarily take control of their machines,
deliver a test such that the user doesn’t cheat (by having other apps like a
web browser available), and the test content isn’t copied
On Feb 21, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote:
On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com
wrote:
when the app runs, it has to temporarily take control of their machines,
deliver a test such that the user doesn’t cheat (by having other apps
On Feb 21, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Jim Zajkowski jim.zajkow...@gmail.com wrote:
It sounds like the computers are owned by the people taking the test,
and are not owned by the testing center.
Thanks for the reply, Jim. That’s correct, this is an app that runs on the
test-taker’s computer.
How
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Bradley O'Hearne wrote:
I’ll also add (not for the purposes
of inciting a religious debate, but for the purposes of perspective and
comparison), that this is one area of security where OS X surprisingly
gives ground to Windows. Windows exposes more ability
On Feb 21, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Kyle Sluder k...@ksluder.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Bradley O'Hearne wrote:
I’ll also add (not for the purposes
of inciting a religious debate, but for the purposes of perspective and
comparison), that this is one area of security where OS X
On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com wrote:
If that is the case, then once I can officially confirm this, then I’ll drop
the pursuit.
The key word is “officially”. There’s not really any point to discussing it
here. We already had this exact same
On Feb 21, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Ron Hunsinger listrep...@erstesoft.com wrote:
On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com
wrote:
I believe it would be much more accurate to say that this is a fundamental
issue of whether OS X provides an app the ability to secure
On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com wrote:
I believe it would be much more accurate to say that this is a fundamental
issue of whether OS X provides an app the ability to secure its content or
not. If the answer is that having an app on OS X is synonymous
On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com wrote:
Industries such as medical (HIPAA), legal, government, education, military
defense, etc. all have such security needs.
Well, there's certainly no such need for HIPAA compliance...
--
Scott Ribe
On Feb 21, 2014, at 2:30 PM, SevenBits sevenbitst...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, yes, but Apple has the source code to OS X. There’s an important
difference in that users cannot simply just delete important OS components.
In some other operating systems (e.g Linux) everything works with packages
On Feb 21, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote:
On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com
wrote:
If that is the case, then once I can officially confirm this, then I’ll drop
the pursuit.
The key word is “officially”. There’s not really
On Feb 21, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Jens Alfke j...@mooseyard.com wrote:
The best answer I’ve seen is that you’ll need to file a DTS support incident
and go through those official channels.
I’ve spent the last hour trying to post an issue to DTS via the Apple Mac
Developer Program Member
On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:43 PM, dangerwillrobinsondan...@gmail.com wrote:
They're pointing out valid security issues which are true on all platforms.
…
On any platform, you will need to basically install and run a root kit.
This is not the case on Windows. It provides the ability to block
On Feb 21, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com
wrote:
This is not the case on Windows. It provides the ability to block certain
things which public API on OS X does not.
His point was that counting on that is not reliable.
--
Scott Ribe
scott_r...@elevated-dev.com
You did go to this page, right?
https://developer.apple.com/membercenter/index.action#requestTechSupport
I remembered one form on the site, not this one, that I had to submit by
deleting all the data and doing it again. Some freaky web page issue; I think
it was a phone number field that kept
Hello….
At WWDC 2013, I approached the Apple engineering teams with a need that a
client of mine had to disable all screen capture while an app was running. This
includes the hotkeys for taking screenshots, capturing displays with
AVFoundation, remote desktop apps, Airplay, etc. As to the
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Bradley O'Hearne wrote:
So my concluding questions are targeted at a general use case of trying
to disable the ability to capture content which is delivered to and
temporarily displayed within an app within OS X.
1. Does anyone know a possible way this
On Feb 20, 2014, at 1:12 PM, Kyle Sluder k...@ksluder.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Bradley O'Hearne wrote:
So my concluding questions are targeted at a general use case of trying
to disable the ability to capture content which is delivered to and
temporarily displayed
My personal feeling is that this will never happen. I seem to recall one of the
reasons Apple doesn't support Blu-Ray is because of the onerous requirements of
the content industries to provide DRM at the kernel level. For example, Windows
has facilities in the kernel to check if there is a bus
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com
wrote:
The app is delivering tests remotely — some of which are not your typical
classroom college exams, but very privately held, very expensive
certification tests which clients have spent many thousands of dollars
On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Jens Alfke wrote:
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com
wrote:
The app is delivering tests remotely — some of which are not your typical
classroom college exams, but very privately held, very expensive
certification tests
On 2014/02/21, at 8:05, Stevo Brock devli...@sunsetmagicwerks.com wrote:
On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Jens Alfke wrote:
On Feb 20, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Bradley O'Hearne br...@bighillsoftware.com
wrote:
The app is delivering tests remotely ― some of which are not your typical
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