Re: Content management (RE: sharing microsoft experience)

Koert Zeilstra wrote: > I subscribed to this mailing list only yesterday, so I'm not aware of > the previous discussion, you can look into the mail archive or get the full compressed MBOX format at xml.apache.org/mail/ > but I have developed a way edit XML data. I > have written a Cocoon actio

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Per Kreipke wrote: > There's no need for this group to > build everything end to end; define a rock solid, simple API and you'll see > editors appearing quickly after. Hmmm, not so sure about it: you have to implement at least one reference implementation or your API will remain there forever uni

Content management (RE: sharing microsoft experience)

On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 18:13, Per Kreipke wrote: > I agree, somewhat: shouldn't the discussion be about an 'abstracted content > editor' _API_. That is, shouldn't this thread cross back to an older thread > about a CMS API? > > Design and build the API, make it available using XML-RPC or SOAP, and

RE: sharing microsoft experience

> Q: Is this discussion about writing just another HTML editor, or about > building an abstracted content editor where structure, layout and > style can > be assembled from the contributions of multiple authors (using XML, XSLT, > etc., of course). The real trick is to build a really neat (and > u

Re: sharing microsoft experience (mozilla examples)

On Monday 10 December 2001 10:52, Marc van Kempen wrote: > I started trying out the new mozilla > javascript and came up with two possible solutions. Your examples look good, but what I find missing is the ability to edit *rich text blocks*. For many applications, I think, documents can be stru

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > Steven Noels wrote: > >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>Sent: donderdag 22 november 2001 22:03 >>>To: Apache Cocoon >>>Subject: sharing microsoft experience >>> >>> >>>Despite the title that looks suspiciously close

Little Cocoon2 success story (RE: sharing microsoft experience)

> -Original Message- > From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: dinsdag 4 december 2001 0:25 > To: Steven Noels > Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > > > Steven Noels wrote: > > > > little note aside: > > > > du

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Steven Noels wrote: > Uh-oh. Mozilla is cool. Cocoon is cool. We want to do something CMS-like on top of > both. Let's use Mozilla. That we have to guide a Java-centric community towards C++ > plumbing because a fellow-OSS-project is in dire need of an audience, I do not > understand. If you thi

RE: sharing microsoft experience

After this, I rest my case... > -Original Message- > From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: vrijdag 30 november 2001 16:59 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > [...] > Absolutely. Right now you can have Netscape

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Giacomo Pati wrote: > > Quoting Bertrand Delacretaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > (this is getting very interesting but slighlty OT - maybe we should > > start a > > new list where we could also discuss the requirements of a content > > editor?) > > > > I agree with Steven that installing yet anoth

Re: sharing microsoft experience

At the risk of repeating myself, I continue this thread because I think it's important: > > 2) powerful semantic-based editing capabilities are mostly targetted on > > intranets/extranets rather then general internet users. In these closed > > enviornments, it's not a big deal to require people t

Re: sharing microsoft experience

On Friday 30 November 2001 11:51, Michael Hartle wrote: >. . . > About more than half a year ago, I tried writing an extension for the > EditorKit concept in Swing; We are using an EditorKit based editor for a dedicated content-management product (www.verbalix.ch) - it works fine but is used fo

Re: sharing microsoft experience

On Friday 30 November 2001 13:13, Adrian Geissel wrote: > Q: Is this discussion about writing just another HTML editor, or about > building an abstracted content editor where structure, layout and style can > be assembled from the contributions of multiple authors. . . I think what we're after is

Re: data goes in, data goes out & Re: sharing microsoft experience

I've been watching both this thread and also the one on *sharing microsoft experience*, and was prompted to contribute some experience. I strongly regard the evaluate() functionality as the C/C++ exquivelent of providing pointer support. This is *very* important in abstractions, although is equal

Re: sharing microsoft experience

- Original Message - From: Giacomo Pati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:31 AM Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > Quoting Bertrand Delacretaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > (

Re: sharing microsoft experience

At 8:09 am +0100 30/11/01, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: [snip] >I don't know enough about the Mozilla code to be positive about this, but >maybe there are other code bases that would be better suited to creating an >XML content editor - Amaya, Swing, OpenOffice, others? X-Smiles ?

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >I don't know enough about the Mozilla code to be positive about this, but >maybe there are other code bases that would be better suited to creating an >XML content editor - Amaya, Swing, OpenOffice, others? > Well, I am currently working on using OpenOffice as an XML

Re: sharing microsoft experience

On Friday 30 November 2001 08:28, Steven Noels wrote: > . . . > ooh well, there's room for digression on cocoon-dev ;-) sure - but I feel we're after something important that would benefit from being separated from cocoon, to be more focused. - Bertrand

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Quoting Bertrand Delacretaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > (this is getting very interesting but slighlty OT - maybe we should > start a > new list where we could also discuss the requirements of a content > editor?) > > I agree with Steven that installing yet another browser is mostly seen > as a > P

RE: sharing microsoft experience

> -Original Message- > From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: vrijdag 30 november 2001 8:09 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > > > (this is getting very interesting but slighlty OT - maybe we should star

Re: sharing microsoft experience

(this is getting very interesting but slighlty OT - maybe we should start a new list where we could also discuss the requirements of a content editor?) I agree with Steven that installing yet another browser is mostly seen as a PITA by administrators. But IMHO a content editor could be seen an

RE: sharing microsoft experience

> -Original Message- > From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: donderdag 29 november 2001 15:49 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > > > Steven Noels wrote: > > > > > Mozilla is cool etc... but

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Steven Noels wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: woensdag 28 november 2001 12:43 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > > > > > The edito

RE: sharing microsoft experience

> -Original Message- > From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: woensdag 28 november 2001 12:43 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > > The editor I'd like to have is an editor composed for the specific user, &g

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Robert Koberg wrote: > > Ahhh... so you see the benefit is turning forms into prettier forms. I agree > that is a good thing. But how do you address someone who wants to enter an > article? After *lots* of thinking (and fighting with my girlfriend :) I think there is an entire spectrum of editin

Re: sharing microsoft experience

, what-have-you... - Original Message - From: "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > Andre Ulrich wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > &g

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Andre Ulrich wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just want to mention that OEone develop some kind of Abiword Plugin > for Mozilla. At least there is a screenshot: > http://www.oeone.com/pics/wordp.jpg > > Abiword itself is in active development and is nearly plattform > independent. It is possible to imp

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Hi all, I just want to mention that OEone develop some kind of Abiword Plugin for Mozilla. At least there is a screenshot: http://www.oeone.com/pics/wordp.jpg Abiword itself is in active development and is nearly plattform independent. It is possible to import and export all kinds of format such

AW: XHTML WYSIWYG editing (was: Re: sharing microsoft experience)

t: Montag, 26. November 2001 17:41 > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: AW: XHTML WYSIWYG editing (was: Re: sharing microsoft > experience) > > > Well, it's not exactly WYSIWYG as Java will always render a HTML page > differently than the IE. > For my CMS I decided for

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >On 26.11.2001 16:31:46, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >(about XHTML editing in mozilla) > >>If any of you are interested in this, maybe we could join and >>bootstrap some effort, what do you think? >> > >Interested definitely - I have very little time

Re: sharing microsoft experience

On 26.11.2001 16:31:46, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (about XHTML editing in mozilla) >If any of you are interested in this, maybe we could join and >bootstrap some effort, what do you think? Interested definitely - I have very little time right now, probably not enough to help

Re: sharing microsoft experience

On 26.11.2001 16:38:33, Gianugo Rabellino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (about XHTML editing in mozilla) >Count me in. See if we can get a group discount rate for the Stroustrup >book...:) Count me in for C++ assistance - as I said before I won't have enough time for coding but could certainly hel

AW: XHTML WYSIWYG editing (was: Re: sharing microsoft experience)

t. If they need another layout - it's a task for a screen designer/xslt programmer. JOERN -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Stefan Seifert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Montag, 26. November 2001 16:44 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: XHTML WYSIWYG editing (was: Re: sharing

XHTML WYSIWYG editing (was: Re: sharing microsoft experience)

Another commercial alternative: Did you take a look at edit-on Pro 2.1 (http://www.realobjects.de). It's a really cool full wysiwyg HTML/XHTML editor applet with support for rich formatting, inline images, tables(!) and it is customizable and extensible (well, in some ways; its without source, o

Re: sharing microsoft experience

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > Mozilla comes with an editor, and Zope are using this via XUL as part of > > their CMS interface. > > yes, I knew this (even if I heard the project was discontinued) but I > haven't tried it myself. Ah, didn't know it was discontinued. See what h

Re: sharing microsoft experience

>>But yes, such XHTML editing would be killer to have in mozilla - IMHO it >>would be sufficient for a lot of simple content editing needs. >> > > Yes, I totally agree. > > If any of you are interested in this, maybe we could join and bootstrap > some effort, what do you think? Count me in. Se

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > On Saturday 24 November 2001 12:44, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > . . . > > Should we try to bombmail mozilla's bugzilla with this feature request? > > Most probably they would appreciate code contributions better than > bombmailing ;-) Don't worry, I'm looking int

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Matt Sergeant wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > > On Saturday 24 November 2001 12:44, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > > . . . > > > Should we try to bombmail mozilla's bugzilla with this feature request? > > > > Most probably they would appreciate code contributions bet

RE: sharing microsoft experience

Since I am being flooded with replies from mail filtering software complaining about the JavaScript files I attached, here goes the whole thing zipped. Have fun, Paulo Gaspar htmleditor.zip Description: Binary data - To unsu

RE: sharing microsoft experience

(Sorry, the previous one went without the attachments.) Stefano, Talking about first DHTML experiences and learning from other guys scripts (in my case editthispage.com) here is a small HTML editor I have been playing with. Unlike yours it is form oriented, but it has some other features - m

RE: sharing microsoft experience

Stefano, Talking about first DHTML experiences and learning from other guys scripts (in my case editthispage.com) here is a small HTML editor I have been playing with. Unlike yours it is form oriented, but it has some other features - more formatting and 2 editing modes (WYSIWYG and source).

Re: sharing microsoft experience

L PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:39 AM Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > > On Saturday 24 November 2001 12:44, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > > . . . > > > Should

Re: sharing microsoft experience

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Saturday 24 November 2001 12:44, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > . . . > > Should we try to bombmail mozilla's bugzilla with this feature request? > > Most probably they would appreciate code contributions better than > bombmailing ;-) > > But yes

Re: sharing microsoft experience

On Saturday 24 November 2001 12:44, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > . . . > Should we try to bombmail mozilla's bugzilla with this feature request? Most probably they would appreciate code contributions better than bombmailing ;-) But yes, such XHTML editing would be killer to have in mozilla - IMHO

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Steven Noels wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: donderdag 22 november 2001 22:03 > > To: Apache Cocoon > > Subject: sharing microsoft experience > > > > > > Despite the title that looks suspiciously close to marketing bullshit,

Re: sharing microsoft experience

Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > On Thursday 22 November 2001 22:03, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > Enjoy the first fancy DHTML I ever wrote :) > I did - thanks for sharing this! > > I also tried to create a minimal version of it. > If I understand right, given IE 5.5. and a document containing: >

Re: sharing microsoft experience

t: Friday, November 23, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > I see some of you hitting the server with the wrong browser. > > I should have mentioned :( this only works on IE5.5+ on windows :( (hence > the applet...) > > - Original Message - > Fro

Re: sharing microsoft experience

, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: Re: sharing microsoft experience > I was playing around with this when it came out. Here is an attempt (from a > long time ago... it needs a lot of work...) to rounddtrip html back to xml: > > http://www.koberg.com/ed/test_ed.htm > > You can do simple edits

Re: sharing microsoft experience

I was playing around with this when it came out. Here is an attempt (from a long time ago... it needs a lot of work...) to rounddtrip html back to xml: http://www.koberg.com/ed/test_ed.htm You can do simple edits on the text. Then when you click submit it will roundtrip the html back to the ori

Re: sharing microsoft experience

On Thursday 22 November 2001 22:03, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > Enjoy the first fancy DHTML I ever wrote :) I did - thanks for sharing this! I also tried to create a minimal version of it. If I understand right, given IE 5.5. and a document containing: Type your text here. After selectin

RE: sharing microsoft experience

> -Original Message- > From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: donderdag 22 november 2001 22:03 > To: Apache Cocoon > Subject: sharing microsoft experience > > > Despite the title that looks suspiciously close to marketing bullshit, > I'm still searching for the easiest