Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[stuart yeates]

On 28/08/12 12:07, Peter Noerr wrote:

 They are not descendents of the same original, they are independent entities, 
whether they are recorded as singular MARC records or collections of LD triples.


That depends on which end of the stick one grasps.

Conceptually these are descendants of the abstract work in question; 
textually these are independent (or likely to be).


In practice it doesn't matter: since git/svn/etc are all textual in 
nature, they're not good at handling these.


The reconciliation is likely to be a good candidate for temporal 
versioning.


It's interesting to ponder which of the many datasets is going to prove 
to be the hub for reconciliation. My money is on librarything, because 
their merge-ist approach to cataloguing means they have lots and lots of 
different versions of the work information to match against. See for 
example:  https://www.librarything.com/work/683408/editions/11795335 
Wikipedia / dbpedia have redirects which tend in the same direction, but 
only for titles and not ISBNs.


cheers
stuart
--
Stuart Yeates
Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[Peter Noerr]

I agree entirely that these would need to be a collection of triples with its 
own set of attributes/metadata describing the collection. Basically a "record" 
with triples as the data elements.

But I see a bigger problem with the direction this thread has taken so far. The 
use of versions has been conditioned by the use of something like Github as the 
underlying "versioning platform". But Github (and all software versioning 
systems) are based on temporal versions, where each version is, in some way, an 
evolved unit of the same underlying thing - a program or whatever. So the 
versions are really temporally linearly related to each other as well as 
related in terms of added or improved or fixed functionality. Yes, the codebase 
(the underlying "thing") can fork or split in a number of ways, but they are 
all versions of the same thing, progressing through time.

In the existing bibliographic case we have many records which purport to be 
about the same thing, but contain different data values for the same elements. 
And these are the "the versions" we have to deal with, and eventually 
reconcile. They are not descendents of the same original, they are independent 
entities, whether they are recorded as singular MARC records or collections of 
LD triples. I would suggest that at all levels, from the triplet or key/value 
field pair to the triple collection or fielded record, what we have are 
"alternates", not "versions". 
 
Thus the alternates exist at the triple level, and also at the "collection" 
level (the normal bibliographic unit record we are familiar with). And those 
alternates could then be allowed versions which are the attempts to, in some 
way, improve the quality (your definition of what this is is as good as mine) 
over time. And with a closed group of alternates (of a single bib unit) these 
versioned alternates would (in a perfect world) iterate to a common descendent 
which had the same agreed, authorized set of triples. Of course this would only 
be the "authorized form" for those organizations which recognized the 
arrangement. 

But, allowing alternates and their versions does allow for a method of tracking 
the original problem of three organizations each copying each other endlessly 
to "correct" their data. In this model it would be an alternate/version spiral 
of states, rather than a flat circle of each changing version with no history, 
and no idea of which was master. (Try re-reading Stuart's "(a), (b), (c)" below 
with the idea of alternates as well as versions (of the Datasets). I think it 
would become clearer as to what was happening.) There is still no master, but 
at least the state changes can be properly tracked and checked by software 
(and/or humans) so the endless cycle can be addressed - probably by an outside 
(human) decision about the "correct" form of a triple to use for this bib 
entity.

Or this may all prove to be an unnecessary complication.

Peter


> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of 
> stuart yeates
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 3:42 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google
> 
> These have to be named graphs, or at least collections of triples which can 
> be processed through
> workflows as a single unit.
> 
> In terms of LD there version needs to be defined in terms of:
> 
> (a) synchronisation with the non-bibliographic real world (i.e. Dataset Z 
> version X was released at
> time Y)
> 
> (b) correction/augmentation of other datasets (i.e Dataset F version G 
> contains triples augmenting
> Dataset H versions A, B, C and D)
> 
> (c) mapping between datasets (i.e. Dataset I contains triples mapping between 
> Dataset J version K and
> Dataset L version M (and visa-versa))
> 
> Note that a 'Dataset' here could be a bibliographic dataset (records of 
> works, etc), a classification
> dataset (a version of the Dewey Decimal Scheme, a version of the Māori 
> Subject Headings, a version of
> Dublin Core Scheme, etc), a dataset of real-world entities to do authority 
> control against (a dbpedia
> dump, an organisational structure in an institution, etc), or some arbitrary 
> mapping between some
> arbitrary combination of these.
> 
> Most of these are going to be managed and generated using current systems 
> with processes that involve
> periodic dumps (or drops) of data (the dbpedia drops of wikipedia data are a 
> good model here). git
> makes little sense for this kind of data.
> 
> github is most likely to be useful for smaller niche collaborative 
> collections (probably no more than
> a million triples) mapping between the larger collections, and scripts for 
> integrating the collections
> into a sane whole.
> 
> cheers
> stuart
> 
> On 28/08/12 08:36, Karen Coyle wrote:
> > Ed, Corey -
> >
> > I also assumed that Ed wasn't suggesting that we literally use github
> > as our platform, but I do want to remind folks how far w

Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[stuart yeates]

These have to be named graphs, or at least collections of triples which 
can be processed through workflows as a single unit.


In terms of LD there version needs to be defined in terms of:

(a) synchronisation with the non-bibliographic real world (i.e. Dataset 
Z version X was released at time Y)


(b) correction/augmentation of other datasets (i.e Dataset F version G 
contains triples augmenting Dataset H versions A, B, C and D)


(c) mapping between datasets (i.e. Dataset I contains triples mapping 
between Dataset J version K and Dataset L version M (and visa-versa))


Note that a 'Dataset' here could be a bibliographic dataset (records of 
works, etc), a classification dataset (a version of the Dewey Decimal 
Scheme, a version of the Māori Subject Headings, a version of Dublin 
Core Scheme, etc), a dataset of real-world entities to do authority 
control against (a dbpedia dump, an organisational structure in an 
institution, etc), or some arbitrary mapping between some arbitrary 
combination of these.


Most of these are going to be managed and generated using current 
systems with processes that involve periodic dumps (or drops) of data 
(the dbpedia drops of wikipedia data are a good model here). git makes 
little sense for this kind of data.


github is most likely to be useful for smaller niche collaborative 
collections (probably no more than a million triples) mapping between 
the larger collections, and scripts for integrating the collections into 
a sane whole.


cheers
stuart

On 28/08/12 08:36, Karen Coyle wrote:

Ed, Corey -

I also assumed that Ed wasn't suggesting that we literally use github as
our platform, but I do want to remind folks how far we are from having
"people friendly" versioning software -- at least, none that I have seen
has felt "intuitive." The features of git are great, and people have
built interfaces to it, but as Galen's question brings forth, the very
*idea* of versioning doesn't exist in library data processing, even
though having central-system based versions of MARC records (with a
single time line) is at least conceptually simple.

Therefore it seems to me that first we have to define what a version
would be, both in terms of data but also in terms of the mind set and
work flow of the cataloging process. How will people *understand*
versions in the context of their work? What do they need in order to
evaluate different versions? And that leads to my second question: what
is a version in LD space? Triples are just triples - you can add them or
delete them but I don't know of a way that you can version them, since
each has an independent T-space existence. So, are we talking about
named graphs?

I think this should be a high priority activity around the "new
bibliographic framework" planning because, as we have seen with MARC,
the idea of versioning needs to be part of the very design or it won't
happen.

kc

On 8/27/12 11:20 AM, Ed Summers wrote:

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Corey A Harper 
wrote:

I think there's a useful distinction here. Ed can correct me if I'm
wrong, but I suspect he was not actually suggesting that Git itself be
the user-interface to a github-for-data type service, but rather that
such a service can be built *on top* of an infrastructure component
like GitHub.

Yes, I wasn't saying that we could just plonk our data into Github,
and pat ourselves on the back for a good days work :-) I guess I was
stating the obvious: technologies like Git have made once hard
problems like decentralized version control much, much easier...and
there might be some giants shoulders to stand on.

//Ed





--
Stuart Yeates
Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/

Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[Karen Coyle]

Ed, Corey -

I also assumed that Ed wasn't suggesting that we literally use github as 
our platform, but I do want to remind folks how far we are from having 
"people friendly" versioning software -- at least, none that I have seen 
has felt "intuitive." The features of git are great, and people have 
built interfaces to it, but as Galen's question brings forth, the very 
*idea* of versioning doesn't exist in library data processing, even 
though having central-system based versions of MARC records (with a 
single time line) is at least conceptually simple.


Therefore it seems to me that first we have to define what a version 
would be, both in terms of data but also in terms of the mind set and 
work flow of the cataloging process. How will people *understand* 
versions in the context of their work? What do they need in order to 
evaluate different versions? And that leads to my second question: what 
is a version in LD space? Triples are just triples - you can add them or 
delete them but I don't know of a way that you can version them, since 
each has an independent T-space existence. So, are we talking about 
named graphs?


I think this should be a high priority activity around the "new 
bibliographic framework" planning because, as we have seen with MARC, 
the idea of versioning needs to be part of the very design or it won't 
happen.


kc

On 8/27/12 11:20 AM, Ed Summers wrote:

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Corey A Harper  wrote:

I think there's a useful distinction here. Ed can correct me if I'm
wrong, but I suspect he was not actually suggesting that Git itself be
the user-interface to a github-for-data type service, but rather that
such a service can be built *on top* of an infrastructure component
like GitHub.

Yes, I wasn't saying that we could just plonk our data into Github,
and pat ourselves on the back for a good days work :-) I guess I was
stating the obvious: technologies like Git have made once hard
problems like decentralized version control much, much easier...and
there might be some giants shoulders to stand on.

//Ed


--
Karen Coyle
kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet

[CODE4LIB] Fwd: Position openings: Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA

[Doreen Herold]

Apologies for cross-posting.

Lehigh University is accepting applications for the following two positions:

Director of Library Technology <#Director_of_Library_Technology> *
* Sr. Library Systems Analyst <#Sr._Library_Systems_Analyst_> (search 
re-opened)


About Lehigh University and Library & Technology Services 
<#About_Lehigh_University_and_Library_>


Position descriptions are below:
*
Director of Library Technology*
The Lehigh University Libraries invites nominations and applications for 
the newly created position of Director of Library Technology. Reporting 
to the Vice Provost for Library and Technology Services (LTS), this 
position is responsible for the collaborative development and 
implementation of the library's technology and digital content strategy. 
The Director will provide leadership in the following areas:


 * Kuali OLE Project: Plan, implement, and oversee the long-term
   development of the Kuali Open Library Environment initiative, a
   community-source enterprise library management suite planned for
   go-live in summer 2013.
 * Infrastructure and Systems: Direct the libraries' technology
   infrastructure and systems including but not limited to library
   management systems, support of enterprise library applications and
   services, network and cloud storage, and the libraries' web presence.
 * Digital Library: Lead the continued development of Lehigh's digital
   library presence. This includes but is not limited to: the
   collaborative development, maintenance and use of digital library
   collections and the deployment and management of Lehigh's digital
   repository and digital publishing platforms.

*Responsibilities *

 * Works closely with the Vice Provost, LTS Directors, faculty,
   librarians, students, and other stakeholders to deliver a shared
   vision for library technology.
 * Leads the Library Technology team supervising a staff of 4.5 FTE.
 * Participates in strategic and operational planning, budget
   management, and administrative decision-making.
 * Serves as a member of the Vice Provost's leadership group.
 * Works collegially and collaboratively with systems analysts in
   Lehigh's infrastructure and support teams.
 * Develops partnerships and collaborations; plans and facilitates the
   success of digital projects in the libraries and on campus.
 * Establishes and maintains contacts with peer institutions and with
   the professional community to stay abreast of standards, best
   practices, and tools that facilitate and promote digital collection
   development and access, including standards, guidelines and
   practices developed by RLG, OCLC, DLF, CNI and others.

*Skills/Qualifications: *

 * Master's degree in Computer Science, Library Science, or Management
   Information Systems preferred or equivalent combination of education
   and experience.
 * Demonstrated experience with library systems and digital library
   management, such as Kuali OLE, SirsiDynix Symphony, CONTENTdm and
   Digital Commons.
 * Demonstrated ability with open source software projects, such as
   VuFind, eXtensible Catalog NCIP Toolkit.
 * Working knowledge of discovery and indexing applications, such as
   Apache Solr Lucene.
 * Demonstrated experience with data modeling, database design, and
   business analysis techniques.
 * Working knowledge of programming techniques and languages, SQL, and
   managing server systems, particularly in Linux and Unix environments.
 * Demonstrated ability to analyze and determine appropriate hardware
   and software features for implementation. Previous programming
   experience preferred.
 * Strong familiarity with the life cycle management of digital content
   or how digital resources are acquired, described, preserved, and
   delivered to students and faculty to support learning, teaching and
   research.
 * Demonstrated commitment to user-centered services.
 * Strong analytical, interpersonal and problem-solving skills.
 * Exemplary oral and written communication skills.
 * Demonstrated ability to manage and oversee complex projects in a
   fast-paced team environment.
 * Demonstrated ability to work with faculty and staff in articulating
   and achieving goals.


*To apply, please visit: *
https://lehigh.hiretouch.com/position-details?jobID=8578&job=director-library-technology



*Sr. Library Systems Analyst *
Lehigh University is currently looking for a Senior Library Systems 
Analyst.  This position performs professional and technical duties in 
support of the digital library and library applications & systems.  This 
position provides business analysis functions for library management 
applications, provides system administration for Linux-based application 
servers, and manages the Library's Drupal powered website. This position 
will serve as the technical contact for Kuali OLE and third-party 
library applications.


*Responsibilities:*

1. Manage and su

Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Lisa H Kurt]

I think some folks have already responded to 'why' pretty well, but I
figured I would add to the discussion from our perspective on the ground
at UNR in the DeLaMare Library and answer Edward's question too.

As far as why we are developing a makerspace or why we have 3D printers in
the library- I think Jason hit on two really important points - curriculum
and research support. In the library we hardly question buying journals
that cost upwards of $15K that may only support one department and in some
cases just one individual researcher. The 3D printer is already supporting
several schools and departments in terms of both research and curriculum.
There is a 3D printer in a department on our campus but the problem is-
the department keeps it under lock and key and students only get access to
that printer if they take a certain class within that specific department.
Here in the academic library- we are available to everyone on campus- no
lock and key, no special hours...we provide access to a much needed
service. Even over the summer- we've had faculty from Engineering,
Chemistry, and Art jumping in and working this service into their
curriculum even further now that they have access to the production
machine- it's a total win.

Previously a number of students and faculty has been sending their files
out to be printed at a rather high cost and turnaround time. This
eliminates that and allows our community to prototype more quickly and
more often. Chemistry has really gone far with this- one faculty remarked
that this has changed the way he does research now. Rapid prototyping is
critical.

As for equipment that is more dangerous to use- I've worked closely with
the local makerspace here in Reno, Bridgewire, and they've created a
student membership. They have and are going to continue to do workshops
for us here and they hold all kinds of workshops and events in their own
space. Anything that may be considered a liability is done on their
property and they have insurance. More recently, we are looking into
partnering with the campus machine shop. Again- they are well suited to
this kind of thing and take the necessary precautions.

I see the library as a bridge between a lot of these resources- we
communicate regularly with various groups to make sure students and
faculty get whatever resources they need- whether that's an article, a
book, a 3D printer, or access to a CNC machine.

My interest is in getting what our community needs, so while I keep an eye
out for how the laws will change in relation to these technologies, I
focus on serving the users and building the community. It's been
transformative here from when we were a building full of lots of print
books with very few people at all to now where we have open collaborative
space, 3D printers, button makers, poster printers, AR Drones, various
software, etcand a LOT more users. We've seen the highest numbers of
users in this building that we've ever seen here. We have also heard from
several professors from different areas in full support of what we are
doing and praise the changes we've made here. At one point not too long
ago if you asked me what would happen to this library, I probably would
have said that it would be closed in the not too distant future; we've
totally turned that around because we've embraced our community and given
them something irresistible. The students graduating from here will have
had experience with technologies and learning in an environment that
encourages creating, which many other students across the country don't
have access to. I think it gives our students an advantage in a number of
industries where companies will be creating new kinds of jobs that we
can't yet imagine.


Our staff are the same existing staff that were here previously. No one is
specially trained- everyone has printed on the 3D printer- including all
of our student workers. It's fun, so it hasn't been a hard sell to anyone
to make something and learn...which is pretty cool. We set up the 3D Touch
printer ourselves- in fact the students busted open the box the second it
arrived, set it up and started printing. I wasn't even in the building
when that all happened- they took it on and I'm happy about that.

The production machine we have - the Uprint SE needed setup from the
vendor. He did a fairly quick rundown of how it all works and did the
machine setup for us. Since then it's been going non-stop without much
maintenance.

Out of both of the machines, the hobbyist machine has needed more
maintenance from us in terms of keeping it going well. The higher end
machine has been invaluable in that it runs without lots of "care and
feeding". 

We have a couple of different options available for 3D software and we
have a number of students and student workers who are already well-versed
in creating with these tools. We are asking them to teach others and give
workshops- this works well as most of our students prefer to learn from
other students in a cas

[CODE4LIB] Job: Library System Manager at Libraries of Middlesex Automation Consortium

[jobs]

Libraries of Middlesex Automation Consortium, New Jersey

Reporting to the Executive Director, the LIBRARY SYSTEM MANAGER is primarily
responsible for managing the integrated library system in use by LMxAC member
libraries.

  
RESPONSIBILITIES

  * Manages and assumes overall responsibility for the operation of the 
integrated library system (ILS) and all of its components including the public 
catalog interface, mobile and social media components.
  * Oversees testing and troubleshooting of the ILS software; confers with 
member library staff on issues of software performance; develops the program to 
train member library staff in the operation of the system's various modules and 
updates and creates documentation for the use of library staff.
  * Works with member libraries to develop policies and procedures to support 
interlibrary loan, reciprocal borrowing, common and institution-specific 
circulation.
  * Assures timely testing and implementation of new modules and software 
upgrades.
  * Oversees the creation and maintenance of reports as required by member 
libraries.
  * Serves as the primary contact with SirsiDynix on software application 
issues.
  * Assures the maintenance and integrity of the databases that are a part of 
the ILS.
  * Serves as the primary software application specialist for Acquisitions, 
Cataloging, Policies/Parameters and Serials.
  * Performs other duties as assigned by the LMxAC Executive Director as well 
as administrative tasks in the absence of the Executive Director.
QUALIFICATIONS

  * MLS degree plus 5 years of experience with library automation software
  * Experience with public and academic libraries
  * Detailed understanding of library circulation and technical services 
functions including library database structures and data standards
  * Technology skills including experience with API, HTML, Perl and/or Unix.
  * Problem solving ability
  * Good communication skills - verbal/written
  * Good organizational skills - ability to work independently
  * Ability to manage and lead staff
Working Conditions and Physical Requirements

Work is performed at the consortium headquarters as well as at member
libraries throughout Middlesex, Union, and Monmouth
counties. This position requires an active New Jersey
driver's license and the ability to provide transportation to library
sites. The position is scheduled for a 35-hour work week,
and it requires the ability to work on a flexible schedule, with regularly
scheduled on-call times and occasional evening and/or weekend
hours. Physical requirements include ability to move around
the facility, walk, sit, bend, climb, kneel, stoop, and carry; lift up to 15
pounds, or greater with assistance; and perform other efforts such as moving a
computer.

  
Compensation Range and Benefits

The salary range is $70,000 to $80,000. A full benefits
package is provided.



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[CODE4LIB] Usage Statistics Survey

[Josh Welker]

Greetings,

My apologies for cross-posting. I am writing an article for Computers in
Libraries on electronic resource usage data. I want to find out how widely
used COUNTER and SUSHI are in libraries and how well the COUNTER standard
suits the needs of libraries. This year, I worked with COUNTER and SUSHI
quite extensively as I built a program that attempted to gather usage data
automatically and generate a cost-per-use analysis. The existing standards
made this project virtually impossible. There is also a general sentiment in
listservs that collecting usage data is still quite a chore despite the
ongoing development of COUNTER and SUSHI.

Below is a link to a short, six-question survey. The data from this survey
will be used in my article to inform my conclusions regarding the usefulness
of the COUNTER and SUSHI standards and how they could be improved in the
future to become more useful to libraries. The article will be published in
the November issue of Computers in Libraries.

If you are the administrator of electronic resources for your institution,
I’d appreciate if you’d take a moment to complete the survey. It should take
five minutes or less. Thank you for your time.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/2TMNSTX

Josh Welker
Electronic/Media Services Librarian
College Liaison
University Libraries
Southwest Baptist University
417.328.1624

Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[Ed Summers]

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Corey A Harper  wrote:
> I think there's a useful distinction here. Ed can correct me if I'm
> wrong, but I suspect he was not actually suggesting that Git itself be
> the user-interface to a github-for-data type service, but rather that
> such a service can be built *on top* of an infrastructure component
> like GitHub.

Yes, I wasn't saying that we could just plonk our data into Github,
and pat ourselves on the back for a good days work :-) I guess I was
stating the obvious: technologies like Git have made once hard
problems like decentralized version control much, much easier...and
there might be some giants shoulders to stand on.

//Ed

Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[Ed Summers]

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:
> Actually, Ed, this would not only make for a good blog post (please, so it
> doesn't get lost in email space), but I would love to see a discussion of
> what kind of revision control would work:
>
> 1) for libraries (git is gawdawful nerdy)
> 2) for linked data

I think you know well as me that linked data is gawdawful nerdy too :-)

> p.s. the Ramsay book is now showing on Open Library, and the subtitle is
> correct... perhaps because the record is from the LC MARC service :-)
> http://openlibrary.org/works/OL16528530W/Reading_machines

"perhaps" being the operative word. Being able to concretely answer
these provenence questions is important. Actually, I'm not sure it was
ever incorrect at OpenLibrary. At least I don't think I used it as an
example in my Genealogy of a Typo post.

//Ed

Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[Ed Summers]

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Ross Singer  wrote:
> For MARC data, while I don't know of any examples of this, it seems like 
> something like CouchDB [2] and marc-in-json [3] would be a fantastic way to 
> make something like this available.

Great idea...and there are 4 years of transactions for LC record
create/update/deletes up at Internet Archive:

http://archive.org/details/marc_loc_updates

//Ed

Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Nate Hill]

Joe, and really everyone, I think this is all a question of scope, scale
and community needs/demands.
I absolutely think creative/generative/participatory spaces belong in
public libraries.
I firmly believe that the public library of the future is as much about
access to tools as it about access to media, especially as we read about
the "creative economy" and watch art, music, and shop programs get dropped
in public schools.

That said,
I have no intention of bringing welders into the library for the liability
reasons you cite.
I seek to partner with other community organizations that can provide these
services this is why I was asking if academic libraries might have
similar partnerships with academic departments.

And that said,
There are many, many 'maker' activities public libraries already support
and more we can expand to support.
(think craft time in the kids room)

Whether it is soldering, graphic design software, or making sock puppets,
the public library is as much about these informal learning experiences as
it is about access to Grisham, Shakespeare and JK Rowling.


On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Joe Hourcle
wrote:

> On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:44 AM, BWS Johnson wrote:
>
> > Salvete!
> >
> > Can't. Resist. Bait. Batman.
> >
> >
> >> Can anyone on the list help clarify for me why, in an academic setting,
> >> this kind of equipment and facility isn't part of a laboratory in an
> >> academic department?
> >>
> >
> > I'd say that I hate to play devil's advocate, but that would be a
> patent misrepresentation of material fact.
> >
> > Conversely, could you please tell us why you think it *shouldn't* be
> at the Library?
>
>
> I can think of one reason they shouldn't be *anywhere*:  liability.
>
> When I was working on my undergrad, in civil engineering, the university's
> science and engineering school had their own machine shop.
>
> Officially, you were only supposed to use it if you were a grad student,
> or supervised by a grad student.
>
> Yet, there were a number of us (the undergrad population) who had more
> experience than the grad students.  (I had done a couple years of shop
> class during high school, one of the other students had learned from his
> father who worked in the trade, another was going back to school after
> having been a professional machinist for years,  etc.).
>
> So well, I know at least two of us would go down and use the shop without
> supervision.  (and in a few cases, all alone, which is another violation
> when you're working at 1am and there's no one to call for medical
> assistance should something go really, really wrong).
>
> And in some cases, we'd teach the grad students who were doing stuff wrong
> (trying to take off too much material in a pass, using the incorrect tools,
> etc.  But I made just as many mistakes.  (when you're in a true machine
> shop, and there's two different blades for the bandsaw with different TPI,
> it's not that one's for metal and one's for wood ... as they don't do wood
> cutting there ... but I must've broken and re-welded the blade a half dozen
> times and gone through a quart of cutting fluid to make only a few cuts, as
> I didn't realize that I should've been using the lower TPI blade for
> cutting aluminum)
>
>
> I admit I don't know enough about these 'maker spaces' ... I assume
> there'd have to be some training / certification before using the
> equipment.  The other option would be to treat it more like a print shop,
> where someone drops off their item to be printed, and then comes back to
> pick it up after the job's been run.
>
> And it's possible that you're using less dangerous equipment.  (eg, when
> in high school, my senior year we got a new principal who required that all
> teachers wear ties ... including the shop teachers.  Have you ever seen
> what happens when a tie gets caught in a lathe or a printing press?  He's
> lucky the teachers were experienced, as a simple mistake could've killed
> them)
>
> But even something as simple as a polishing/grinding wheel could be a
> hazard to both the person using it and anyone around them.  (I remember one
> of my high school shop teachers not happy that I was so aggressive when
> grinding down some steel, as I was spraying sparks near his desk ... which
> could've started a fire)
>
> ... so the whole issue of making sure that no one gets injured / killed /
> damages others is one of the liability issues, but I also remember when I
> worked for the university computer lab, we had a scanner that you could
> sign up to use.  One day, one of the university police saw what one of the
> students was doing, and insisted that we were allowing students to make
> fake IDs.  (the student in question had scanned in a CD cover, which was a
> distorted drivers license looking thing ... if he was trying to make a fake
> ID, you'd think he'd have started from a genuine ID card)
>
> As we've now got people who are printing gun receivers, there's a real
> possibility that p

Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[Corey A Harper]

Karen,

I think there's a useful distinction here. Ed can correct me if I'm
wrong, but I suspect he was not actually suggesting that Git itself be
the user-interface to a github-for-data type service, but rather that
such a service can be built *on top* of an infrastructure component
like GitHub.

I agree that there's a barrier to use if we just plunk a bunch of our
bib data in GitHub and call it done, but the version control model and
implementation there could definitely provide a good bit of the
library-version-control stack down below the UI layer.

Cheers,
-Corey

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Karen Coyle  wrote:
> Actually, Ed, this would not only make for a good blog post (please, so it
> doesn't get lost in email space), but I would love to see a discussion of
> what kind of revision control would work:
>
> 1) for libraries (git is gawdawful nerdy)
> 2) for linked data
>
> kc
> p.s. the Ramsay book is now showing on Open Library, and the subtitle is
> correct... perhaps because the record is from the LC MARC service :-)
> http://openlibrary.org/works/OL16528530W/Reading_machines
>
>
> On 8/26/12 6:32 PM, Ed Summers wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing this bit of detective work. I noticed something
>> similar fairly recently myself [1], but didn't discover as plausible
>> of a scenario for what had happened as you did. I imagine others have
>> noticed this network effect before as well.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Lars Aronsson  wrote:
>>>
>>> And sure enough, there it is,
>>> http://clio.cul.columbia.edu:7018/vwebv/holdingsInfo?bibId=1439352
>>> But will my error report to Worldcat find its way back
>>> to CLIO? Or if I report the error to Columbia University,
>>> will the correction propagate to Google, Hathi and Worldcat?
>>> (Columbia asks me for a student ID when I want to give
>>> feedback, so that removes this option for me.)
>>
>> I realize this probably will sound flippant (or overly grandiose), but
>> innovating solutions to this problem, where there isn't necessarily
>> one metadata master that everyone is slaved to seems to be one of the
>> more important and interesting problems that our sector faces.
>>
>> When Columbia University can become the source of a bibliographic
>> record for Google Books, HathiTrust and OpenLibrary, etc how does this
>> change the hub and spoke workflows (with OCLC as the hub) that we are
>> more familiar with? I think this topic is what's at the heart of the
>> discussions about a "github-for-data" [2,3], since decentralized
>> version control systems [4] allow for the evolution of more organic,
>> push/pull, multimaster workflows...and platforms like Github make them
>> socially feasible, easy and fun.
>>
>> I also think Linked Library Data, where bibliographic descriptions are
>> REST enabled Web resources identified with URLs, and patterns such as
>> webhooks [5] make it easy to trigger update events could be part of an
>> answer. Feed technologies like Atom, RSS and the work being done on
>> ResourceSync also seem important technologies for us to use to allow
>> people to poll for changes [6]. And being able to say where you have
>> obtained data from, possibly using something like the W3C Provenance
>> vocabulary [7] also seems like an important part of the puzzle.
>>
>> I'm sure there are other (and perhaps better) creative analogies or
>> tools that could help solve this problem. I think you're probably
>> right that we are starting to see the errors more now that more
>> library data is becoming part of the visible Web via projects like
>> GoogleBooks, HathiTrust, OpenLibrary and other enterprising libraries
>> that design their catalogs to be crawlable and indexable by search
>> engines.
>>
>> But I think it's more fun to think about (and hack on) what grassroots
>> things we could be doing to help these new bibliographic data
>> workflows to grow and flourish than to get piled under by the errors,
>> and a sense of futility...
>>
>> Or it might make for a good article or dissertation topic :-)
>>
>> //Ed
>>
>> [1] http://inkdroid.org/journal/2011/12/25/genealogy-of-a-typo/
>> [2] http://www.informationdiet.com/blog/read/we-need-a-github-for-data
>> [3] http://sunlightlabs.com/blog/2010/we-dont-need-a-github-for-data/
>> [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_revision_control
>> [5] https://help.github.com/articles/post-receive-hooks
>> [6] http://www.niso.org/workrooms/resourcesync/
>> [7] http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-primer/
>
>
> --
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Joe Hourcle]

On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:44 AM, BWS Johnson wrote:

> Salvete!
> 
> Can't. Resist. Bait. Batman.
> 
> 
>> Can anyone on the list help clarify for me why, in an academic setting,
>> this kind of equipment and facility isn't part of a laboratory in an
>> academic department?
>> 
> 
> I'd say that I hate to play devil's advocate, but that would be a patent 
> misrepresentation of material fact.
> 
> Conversely, could you please tell us why you think it *shouldn't* be at 
> the Library?


I can think of one reason they shouldn't be *anywhere*:  liability.

When I was working on my undergrad, in civil engineering, the university's 
science and engineering school had their own machine shop.

Officially, you were only supposed to use it if you were a grad student, or 
supervised by a grad student.

Yet, there were a number of us (the undergrad population) who had more 
experience than the grad students.  (I had done a couple years of shop class 
during high school, one of the other students had learned from his father who 
worked in the trade, another was going back to school after having been a 
professional machinist for years,  etc.).

So well, I know at least two of us would go down and use the shop without 
supervision.  (and in a few cases, all alone, which is another violation when 
you're working at 1am and there's no one to call for medical assistance should 
something go really, really wrong).

And in some cases, we'd teach the grad students who were doing stuff wrong 
(trying to take off too much material in a pass, using the incorrect tools, 
etc.  But I made just as many mistakes.  (when you're in a true machine shop, 
and there's two different blades for the bandsaw with different TPI, it's not 
that one's for metal and one's for wood ... as they don't do wood cutting there 
... but I must've broken and re-welded the blade a half dozen times and gone 
through a quart of cutting fluid to make only a few cuts, as I didn't realize 
that I should've been using the lower TPI blade for cutting aluminum)


I admit I don't know enough about these 'maker spaces' ... I assume there'd 
have to be some training / certification before using the equipment.  The other 
option would be to treat it more like a print shop, where someone drops off 
their item to be printed, and then comes back to pick it up after the job's 
been run.

And it's possible that you're using less dangerous equipment.  (eg, when in 
high school, my senior year we got a new principal who required that all 
teachers wear ties ... including the shop teachers.  Have you ever seen what 
happens when a tie gets caught in a lathe or a printing press?  He's lucky the 
teachers were experienced, as a simple mistake could've killed them)

But even something as simple as a polishing/grinding wheel could be a hazard to 
both the person using it and anyone around them.  (I remember one of my high 
school shop teachers not happy that I was so aggressive when grinding down some 
steel, as I was spraying sparks near his desk ... which could've started a fire)

... so the whole issue of making sure that no one gets injured / killed / 
damages others is one of the liability issues, but I also remember when I 
worked for the university computer lab, we had a scanner that you could sign up 
to use.  One day, one of the university police saw what one of the students was 
doing, and insisted that we were allowing students to make fake IDs.  (the 
student in question had scanned in a CD cover, which was a distorted drivers 
license looking thing ... if he was trying to make a fake ID, you'd think he'd 
have started from a genuine ID card) 

As we've now got people who are printing gun receivers, there's a real 
possibility that people could be printing stuff that might be in violation of 
the law.  (I won't get into the issue of if it's a stupid law or not ... this 
is something the legal department needs to weigh in on).  And conversely, if 
you're a public institution and you censor what people are allowed to make, 
then you get into first amendment issues.

...

On a completely unrelated note, when I first saw the question about libraries & 
maker spaces, I was thinking in the context of public libraries, and thought 
the idea was pretty strange.  I see a much better fit for academic libraries, 
but I'm still not 100% sold on it.  In part, I know that it's already possible 
to get a lot of stuff 'made' at most universities, but you risk treading on 
certain trade's toes, which could piss off the unions.  Eg, we had a sign shop 
who had some CNC cutters for sheet goods (this was the mid 1990s), carpenters 
and such under the building maintenance, large scale printing and book binding 
through the university graphics department (they later outsourced the larger 
jobs, got rid of the binding equipment).

I could see the equipment being of use to these groups, but I don't know that 
they'd be happy if their lack of control over being able to make money by

Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Nate Hill]

Just to be clear, I was not suggesting that it is a bad idea to have these
spaces in academic libraries.  Quite the contrary.

I'm not sure I've heard anyone state these arguments this clearly... and it
is good to hear them.

As a public librarian I always keep an eye on what happens in academic
libraries; frequently public libraries are able to adapt then adopt
functions and innovations a little after academic libraries implement them.
 I'm asking these questions because I sometimes covet the academic
library's clearly defined, targeted market (the students) and see this as
an opportunity to learn before designing similar services to a bigger,
harder to pin down market (the public).

I'm particularly fond of two responses: 1) why repeat things in multiple
departments when you can save $ by doing something once and 2) the notion
that cross-disciplinary cross-pollination comes from hosting services this
way.

Does anyone have a space running at their academic library that interacts
directly with similar but perhaps advanced equipment features in different
departments?  For example, are there instances where the library offers the
CAD software but then cutting/building/printing happens in different
departmental labs around campus?  The idea of a clearly defined scope of
what the library can and will support and the factors that might determine
that scope are interesting to me.






On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Jason Griffey  wrote:

> There have been two very fine answers already (Go Brooke and Jeff!)
> but I'll add one more data point. The purpose of an academic library
> (at least every academic library that I've been associated with) can
> be boiled down to, pretty much, two things:
>
> 1. Support the curriculum of the school
> 2. Support the research of the faculty, students, and staff when it
> extends beyond the curriculum
>
> The second is necessary for the growth of the first. While Ross is
> correct that eventually, whether implicit or explicit, some lines are
> likely to be drawn (we are very interested in Maker culture and
> spaces, we probably aren't going to be putting in CNC routers...just
> because we don't have the environment). But whatever tools I can put
> in front of the students and faculty that are available for _everyone_
> and not siloed away in an engineering lab that you have to be part of
> the grant team to use...well, that's good for my University. And the
> tools are, frankly, way more interesting when they get used by
> non-obvious groups...I can't wait to see what a History student might
> do with a 3D printer, for instance.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Nate Hill 
> wrote:
> > Can anyone on the list help clarify for me why, in an academic setting,
> > this kind of equipment and facility isn't part of a laboratory in an
> > academic department?
> >
> > Don't get me wrong I am *way* into access to tools, but I remember when I
> > went to art school that the building had a shop in it.  The shop had a
> > woodshop, welders, metal lathes, etc.  And it belonged there, not in the
> > library- because it supported what that department was all about.
> >
> > Are makerspaces in academic libraries examples of libraries picking up
> > slack that academic departments should be dealing with?
> >
> > I ask this with zero snark, I genuinely want to hear some thoughts on
> > this...
> >
> > Nate
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Paul Butler (pbutler3) <
> pbutl...@umw.edu>wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Yes, this Fall we are opening the Think Lab here at UMW Libraries. While
> >> we have been part of the planning process for the space, I would say
> thus
> >> far the library has played the role of landlord more than anything
> else. I
> >> see this partnership developing as time progresses. (I have a few
> projects
> >> planned myself.)
> >>
> >> A colleague, Tim Owens, is blogging about the Think Lab here:
> >>
> http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/07/26/help-tim-owens-build-an-awesome-makerspace/
> >>
> >> Cheers, Paul
> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >> Paul R Butler
> >> Assistant Systems Librarian
> >> Simpson Library
> >> University of Mary Washington
> >> 1801 College Avenue
> >> Fredericksburg, VA 22401
> >> 540.654.1756
> >> libraries.umw.edu
> >>
> >> Sent from the mighty Dell Vostro 230.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> >> Edward Iglesias
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:11 PM
> >> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> >> Subject: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries
> >>
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> A colleague and I are going to be presenting at code4lib NE on the
> subject
> >> of makerspaces in academic libraries.  Are any of you doing this?  If
> so I
> >> would love to pick your brains a little.
> >>
> >> Edward Iglesias
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Nate Hill
> > nathanielh...@gmail.com
> > http://www.natehill.net
>



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Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[Ross Singer]

On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Galen Charlton wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On 08/27/2012 08:49 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
>> Actually, Ed, this would not only make for a good blog post (please, so
>> it doesn't get lost in email space), but I would love to see a
>> discussion of what kind of revision control would work:
>> 
>> 1) for libraries (git is gawdawful nerdy)
>> 2) for linked data
> 
> Speaking of revision control, does any have or know of a sizable dataset of 
> bibliographic metadata that includes change history?  For example, I know 
> that some ILSs can retain previous versions of bibliographic records as they 
> get edited.

If your request extends outside of MARC/library standards, Open Library has 
revision history.  The API/JSON view specified the current version of the 
record and you can request older revisions (I think) in the API [1].  They are 
definitely available in one the available dumps.

For MARC data, while I don't know of any examples of this, it seems like 
something like CouchDB [2] and marc-in-json [3] would be a fantastic way to 
make something like this available.

-Ross.
1. http://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/api/books
2. http://couchdb.apache.org/
3. http://dilettantes.code4lib.org/blog/category/marc-in-json/
> 
> Such a dataset would be useful in figuring out good ways to calculate 
> differences between versions of a record, and perhaps more to the point, 
> express those in a way that's more useful to maintainers of the metadata.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Galen
> -- 
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> Director of Support and Implementation
> Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[Galen Charlton]

Hi,

On 08/27/2012 08:49 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:

Actually, Ed, this would not only make for a good blog post (please, so
it doesn't get lost in email space), but I would love to see a
discussion of what kind of revision control would work:

1) for libraries (git is gawdawful nerdy)
2) for linked data


Speaking of revision control, does any have or know of a sizable dataset 
of bibliographic metadata that includes change history?  For example, I 
know that some ILSs can retain previous versions of bibliographic 
records as they get edited.


Such a dataset would be useful in figuring out good ways to calculate 
differences between versions of a record, and perhaps more to the point, 
express those in a way that's more useful to maintainers of the metadata.


Regards,

Galen
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Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Jason Griffey]

There have been two very fine answers already (Go Brooke and Jeff!)
but I'll add one more data point. The purpose of an academic library
(at least every academic library that I've been associated with) can
be boiled down to, pretty much, two things:

1. Support the curriculum of the school
2. Support the research of the faculty, students, and staff when it
extends beyond the curriculum

The second is necessary for the growth of the first. While Ross is
correct that eventually, whether implicit or explicit, some lines are
likely to be drawn (we are very interested in Maker culture and
spaces, we probably aren't going to be putting in CNC routers...just
because we don't have the environment). But whatever tools I can put
in front of the students and faculty that are available for _everyone_
and not siloed away in an engineering lab that you have to be part of
the grant team to use...well, that's good for my University. And the
tools are, frankly, way more interesting when they get used by
non-obvious groups...I can't wait to see what a History student might
do with a 3D printer, for instance.

Jason



On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Nate Hill  wrote:
> Can anyone on the list help clarify for me why, in an academic setting,
> this kind of equipment and facility isn't part of a laboratory in an
> academic department?
>
> Don't get me wrong I am *way* into access to tools, but I remember when I
> went to art school that the building had a shop in it.  The shop had a
> woodshop, welders, metal lathes, etc.  And it belonged there, not in the
> library- because it supported what that department was all about.
>
> Are makerspaces in academic libraries examples of libraries picking up
> slack that academic departments should be dealing with?
>
> I ask this with zero snark, I genuinely want to hear some thoughts on
> this...
>
> Nate
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Paul Butler (pbutler3) 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Yes, this Fall we are opening the Think Lab here at UMW Libraries. While
>> we have been part of the planning process for the space, I would say thus
>> far the library has played the role of landlord more than anything else. I
>> see this partnership developing as time progresses. (I have a few projects
>> planned myself.)
>>
>> A colleague, Tim Owens, is blogging about the Think Lab here:
>> http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/07/26/help-tim-owens-build-an-awesome-makerspace/
>>
>> Cheers, Paul
>> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>> Paul R Butler
>> Assistant Systems Librarian
>> Simpson Library
>> University of Mary Washington
>> 1801 College Avenue
>> Fredericksburg, VA 22401
>> 540.654.1756
>> libraries.umw.edu
>>
>> Sent from the mighty Dell Vostro 230.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
>> Edward Iglesias
>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:11 PM
>> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Subject: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> A colleague and I are going to be presenting at code4lib NE on the subject
>> of makerspaces in academic libraries.  Are any of you doing this?  If so I
>> would love to pick your brains a little.
>>
>> Edward Iglesias
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Nate Hill
> nathanielh...@gmail.com
> http://www.natehill.net

Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Ross Singer]

I guess my question would be, "how do you define scope"?

Maybe I don't really understand what a makerspace is actually supposed to be 
(in fact, I'm pretty sure I don't understand), but it seems like every 
reference I run across on the web (when I try to look up what these dadburn 
kids are up to nowadays) refers to something more than a 3-d printer (which I 
think is a fine addition to the library and, generally, a good idea).  It seems 
like it covers everything from power tools to electrical work to sewing to 
metalwork to whatever.  That also seems like it would require lots of 
specifically dedicated spaces, tons of waivers and liability insurance as well 
as expertise on a WIDE variety of equipment and skillsets.

At some point you need to draw the line as to what you would support, right?

-Ross.

On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:44 AM, BWS Johnson wrote:

> Salvete!
> 
> Can't. Resist. Bait. Batman.
> 
> 
>> Can anyone on the list help clarify for me why, in an academic setting,
>> this kind of equipment and facility isn't part of a laboratory in an
>> academic department?
>> 
> 
> I'd say that I hate to play devil's advocate, but that would be a patent 
> misrepresentation of material fact.
> 
> Conversely, could you please tell us why you think it *shouldn't* be at 
> the Library?
> 
> I can think of several reasons why it *ought* to be:
> 
> 1) Having this space exist at the Library and not in a given department might 
> well extend the hours of use beyond what a given faculty could afford on its 
> own better serving students and faculty.
> 
> 2) Having this space exist at the Library promotes interdisciplinary 
> interaction which could serve as a catalyst for research. This might not 
> happen as readily within the bubble of one's academic department. Both 
> students and staff would benefit from keeping an eye on one's neighbour as 
> Steven Johnson outlines in Emergence. (No relationship)
> 
> 3) Having the equipment at the Library would save the University money since 
> each department wouldn't have to buy their own $1400 makerbot replicator, et 
> cetera.
> 
> 4) Given an academic setting that is also in itself a laboratory, such as an 
> engineering or technical school, wouldn't this be the natural spot for it?
> 
> 5) Given that some academic libraries are often cited on poor customer 
> service, defaulting to yes is preferable to defaulting to no.
> 
>> Don't get me wrong I am *way* into access to tools, but I remember when I
>> went to art school that the building had a shop in it.  The shop had a
>> woodshop, welders, metal lathes, etc.  And it belonged there, not in the
>> library- because it supported what that department was all about.
>> 
> 
> Are we to drop our duties as soon as hands enter the picture? I don't 
> like the idea that work with one's mind is valued more highly than work with 
> one's hands.
> 
> I can see how this is easier to frame in a public setting: Anyone can 
> learn anything at anytime. However I fail to see how it _wouldn't_ further 
> learning in an academic setting. While mission statements vary, it's not 
> unusual as a consultant for me to spot summat like "fosters collaboration" or 
> "performs outreach" or "assists in learning" for an academic library. Your 
> mileage may vary, since all mission statements are equal, but some are more 
> equal than others.
> 
> 
>> Are makerspaces in academic libraries examples of libraries picking up
>> slack that academic departments should be dealing with?
>> 
> 
> Again, I tend to think of this as cost savings for the University on the 
> whole. It also seems like a great idea in terms of fundraising and long term 
> gain. For folks that aren't keen on accepting the costs, perhaps they can sit 
> down with department chairs and divide things up. Extra points for 
> collaboration with vocational schools in the area.
> 
> 
>> I ask this with zero snark, I genuinely want to hear some thoughts on
>> this...
>> 
> 
> Respect was intended in my reply.
> 
> Cheers,
> Brooke

Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[BWS Johnson]

Salvete!

    Can't. Resist. Bait. Batman.


> Can anyone on the list help clarify for me why, in an academic setting,
> this kind of equipment and facility isn't part of a laboratory in an
> academic department?
> 

    I'd say that I hate to play devil's advocate, but that would be a patent 
misrepresentation of material fact.

    Conversely, could you please tell us why you think it *shouldn't* be at the 
Library?

    I can think of several reasons why it *ought* to be:

1) Having this space exist at the Library and not in a given department might 
well extend the hours of use beyond what a given faculty could afford on its 
own better serving students and faculty.

2) Having this space exist at the Library promotes interdisciplinary 
interaction which could serve as a catalyst for research. This might not happen 
as readily within the bubble of one's academic department. Both students and 
staff would benefit from keeping an eye on one's neighbour as Steven Johnson 
outlines in Emergence. (No relationship)

3) Having the equipment at the Library would save the University money since 
each department wouldn't have to buy their own $1400 makerbot replicator, et 
cetera.

4) Given an academic setting that is also in itself a laboratory, such as an 
engineering or technical school, wouldn't this be the natural spot for it?

5) Given that some academic libraries are often cited on poor customer service, 
defaulting to yes is preferable to defaulting to no.

> Don't get me wrong I am *way* into access to tools, but I remember when I
> went to art school that the building had a shop in it.  The shop had a
> woodshop, welders, metal lathes, etc.  And it belonged there, not in the
> library- because it supported what that department was all about.
> 

    Are we to drop our duties as soon as hands enter the picture? I don't like 
the idea that work with one's mind is valued more highly than work with one's 
hands.

    I can see how this is easier to frame in a public setting: Anyone can learn 
anything at anytime. However I fail to see how it _wouldn't_ further learning 
in an academic setting. While mission statements vary, it's not unusual as a 
consultant for me to spot summat like "fosters collaboration" or "performs 
outreach" or "assists in learning" for an academic library. Your mileage may 
vary, since all mission statements are equal, but some are more equal than 
others.


> Are makerspaces in academic libraries examples of libraries picking up
> slack that academic departments should be dealing with?
> 

    Again, I tend to think of this as cost savings for the University on the 
whole. It also seems like a great idea in terms of fundraising and long term 
gain. For folks that aren't keen on accepting the costs, perhaps they can sit 
down with department chairs and divide things up. Extra points for 
collaboration with vocational schools in the area.


> I ask this with zero snark, I genuinely want to hear some thoughts on
> this...
> 

    Respect was intended in my reply.

Cheers,
Brooke

Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Jeff Goldenson]

Nate, 

That's a great question.  Here's one take -- fast, loose, not re-read, nor the 
opinion of my employer, Harvard University, but is based on my observations 
here  

First off, we don't have maker spaces in the library, but I could see them 
being very useful here.  I think one advantage shops like these would have 
sitting under the umbrella of the library is access.  The 
Departmental/Professional School shops here seem quite siloed.  If you're not a 
part of that school/community, access is much more complicated.  Particularly 
access to the more expensive machines.  If a space was under the shelter of the 
library, it could feel MUCH more welcoming and readily available I think.

One thing that they have at MIT, a place obviously with a great maker ethic, is 
the "hobby shop".  http://studentlife.mit.edu/hobbyshop
If you clcik to the membership tab, you'll see it's open to everybody with an 
affiliation with the Institute.  Spouses, staff -- ALUMNI!  I spent a lot of 
time there, learning some basic craft knowledge cause there would always be 
people working there, unlike my school shop where attendance was much more 
spikey and I generally would figure things out for myself.  

Anyhow, I learned the most from alumni who purchased memberships it seemed 
like.  It was casual, open envrionment, and I think the term pre-fix "Hobby" to 
Hobby Shop really made a difference. A subtext of fun.  Anyhow, that was a 
great learning environment, outside of any departmental or school umbrella.  
It's listsed as a under "division of student life".  

>From my own POV, I'd like to see the library at Harvard, but any higher ed 
>envrionment for that matter, get more into the business of "student life".  
>But also make general access to specialized things easy, friendly, etc.  Zero 
>grade on-ramp to laser cutting can only be a good thing...

Jeff
Harvard Library Innovation Lab

From: Code for Libraries [CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] on behalf of Nate Hill 
[nathanielh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:05 AM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

Can anyone on the list help clarify for me why, in an academic setting,
this kind of equipment and facility isn't part of a laboratory in an
academic department?

Don't get me wrong I am *way* into access to tools, but I remember when I
went to art school that the building had a shop in it.  The shop had a
woodshop, welders, metal lathes, etc.  And it belonged there, not in the
library- because it supported what that department was all about.

Are makerspaces in academic libraries examples of libraries picking up
slack that academic departments should be dealing with?

I ask this with zero snark, I genuinely want to hear some thoughts on
this...

Nate

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Paul Butler (pbutler3) wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Yes, this Fall we are opening the Think Lab here at UMW Libraries. While
> we have been part of the planning process for the space, I would say thus
> far the library has played the role of landlord more than anything else. I
> see this partnership developing as time progresses. (I have a few projects
> planned myself.)
>
> A colleague, Tim Owens, is blogging about the Think Lab here:
> http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/07/26/help-tim-owens-build-an-awesome-makerspace/
>
> Cheers, Paul
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> Paul R Butler
> Assistant Systems Librarian
> Simpson Library
> University of Mary Washington
> 1801 College Avenue
> Fredericksburg, VA 22401
> 540.654.1756
> libraries.umw.edu
>
> Sent from the mighty Dell Vostro 230.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Edward Iglesias
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:11 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries
>
> Hello All,
>
> A colleague and I are going to be presenting at code4lib NE on the subject
> of makerspaces in academic libraries.  Are any of you doing this?  If so I
> would love to pick your brains a little.
>
> Edward Iglesias
>



--
Nate Hill
nathanielh...@gmail.com
http://www.natehill.net

Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Nate Hill]

Can anyone on the list help clarify for me why, in an academic setting,
this kind of equipment and facility isn't part of a laboratory in an
academic department?

Don't get me wrong I am *way* into access to tools, but I remember when I
went to art school that the building had a shop in it.  The shop had a
woodshop, welders, metal lathes, etc.  And it belonged there, not in the
library- because it supported what that department was all about.

Are makerspaces in academic libraries examples of libraries picking up
slack that academic departments should be dealing with?

I ask this with zero snark, I genuinely want to hear some thoughts on
this...

Nate

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Paul Butler (pbutler3) wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Yes, this Fall we are opening the Think Lab here at UMW Libraries. While
> we have been part of the planning process for the space, I would say thus
> far the library has played the role of landlord more than anything else. I
> see this partnership developing as time progresses. (I have a few projects
> planned myself.)
>
> A colleague, Tim Owens, is blogging about the Think Lab here:
> http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/07/26/help-tim-owens-build-an-awesome-makerspace/
>
> Cheers, Paul
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> Paul R Butler
> Assistant Systems Librarian
> Simpson Library
> University of Mary Washington
> 1801 College Avenue
> Fredericksburg, VA 22401
> 540.654.1756
> libraries.umw.edu
>
> Sent from the mighty Dell Vostro 230.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Edward Iglesias
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:11 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries
>
> Hello All,
>
> A colleague and I are going to be presenting at code4lib NE on the subject
> of makerspaces in academic libraries.  Are any of you doing this?  If so I
> would love to pick your brains a little.
>
> Edward Iglesias
>



-- 
Nate Hill
nathanielh...@gmail.com
http://www.natehill.net

Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Paul Butler (pbutler3)]

Hi All,

Yes, this Fall we are opening the Think Lab here at UMW Libraries. While we 
have been part of the planning process for the space, I would say thus far the 
library has played the role of landlord more than anything else. I see this 
partnership developing as time progresses. (I have a few projects planned 
myself.)

A colleague, Tim Owens, is blogging about the Think Lab here: 
http://www.makerbot.com/blog/2012/07/26/help-tim-owens-build-an-awesome-makerspace/

Cheers, Paul
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Paul R Butler
Assistant Systems Librarian
Simpson Library
University of Mary Washington
1801 College Avenue
Fredericksburg, VA 22401
540.654.1756
libraries.umw.edu

Sent from the mighty Dell Vostro 230.

-Original Message-
From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Edward 
Iglesias
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:11 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

Hello All,

A colleague and I are going to be presenting at code4lib NE on the subject of 
makerspaces in academic libraries.  Are any of you doing this?  If so I would 
love to pick your brains a little.

Edward Iglesias

Re: [CODE4LIB] Corrections to Worldcat/Hathi/Google

[Karen Coyle]

Actually, Ed, this would not only make for a good blog post (please, so 
it doesn't get lost in email space), but I would love to see a 
discussion of what kind of revision control would work:


1) for libraries (git is gawdawful nerdy)
2) for linked data

kc
p.s. the Ramsay book is now showing on Open Library, and the subtitle is 
correct... perhaps because the record is from the LC MARC service :-)

http://openlibrary.org/works/OL16528530W/Reading_machines

On 8/26/12 6:32 PM, Ed Summers wrote:

Thanks for sharing this bit of detective work. I noticed something
similar fairly recently myself [1], but didn't discover as plausible
of a scenario for what had happened as you did. I imagine others have
noticed this network effect before as well.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Lars Aronsson  wrote:

And sure enough, there it is,
http://clio.cul.columbia.edu:7018/vwebv/holdingsInfo?bibId=1439352
But will my error report to Worldcat find its way back
to CLIO? Or if I report the error to Columbia University,
will the correction propagate to Google, Hathi and Worldcat?
(Columbia asks me for a student ID when I want to give
feedback, so that removes this option for me.)

I realize this probably will sound flippant (or overly grandiose), but
innovating solutions to this problem, where there isn't necessarily
one metadata master that everyone is slaved to seems to be one of the
more important and interesting problems that our sector faces.

When Columbia University can become the source of a bibliographic
record for Google Books, HathiTrust and OpenLibrary, etc how does this
change the hub and spoke workflows (with OCLC as the hub) that we are
more familiar with? I think this topic is what's at the heart of the
discussions about a "github-for-data" [2,3], since decentralized
version control systems [4] allow for the evolution of more organic,
push/pull, multimaster workflows...and platforms like Github make them
socially feasible, easy and fun.

I also think Linked Library Data, where bibliographic descriptions are
REST enabled Web resources identified with URLs, and patterns such as
webhooks [5] make it easy to trigger update events could be part of an
answer. Feed technologies like Atom, RSS and the work being done on
ResourceSync also seem important technologies for us to use to allow
people to poll for changes [6]. And being able to say where you have
obtained data from, possibly using something like the W3C Provenance
vocabulary [7] also seems like an important part of the puzzle.

I'm sure there are other (and perhaps better) creative analogies or
tools that could help solve this problem. I think you're probably
right that we are starting to see the errors more now that more
library data is becoming part of the visible Web via projects like
GoogleBooks, HathiTrust, OpenLibrary and other enterprising libraries
that design their catalogs to be crawlable and indexable by search
engines.

But I think it's more fun to think about (and hack on) what grassroots
things we could be doing to help these new bibliographic data
workflows to grow and flourish than to get piled under by the errors,
and a sense of futility...

Or it might make for a good article or dissertation topic :-)

//Ed

[1] http://inkdroid.org/journal/2011/12/25/genealogy-of-a-typo/
[2] http://www.informationdiet.com/blog/read/we-need-a-github-for-data
[3] http://sunlightlabs.com/blog/2010/we-dont-need-a-github-for-data/
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_revision_control
[5] https://help.github.com/articles/post-receive-hooks
[6] http://www.niso.org/workrooms/resourcesync/
[7] http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-primer/


--
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kco...@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
ph: 1-510-540-7596
m: 1-510-435-8234
skype: kcoylenet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries

[Edward Iglesias]

Thanks so much for this.  One immediate question I have regards staff
training.  Who did you get to assemble and maintain the 3D printers etc...
Is it all enthusiastic self taught staff or did you hire folks especially
for these positions?

Thanks,

Edward

On Friday, August 24, 2012, Lisa H Kurt wrote:

> Hi Edward,
>
> Throughout the past year we have been working toward transforming the
> DeLaMare Science and Engineering Library into a library makerspace at the
> University of Nevada, Reno. It started with the purchase of a button maker
> and holding mini maker breaks and has grown with bigger events, workshops,
> the purchase or repurpose of numerous tools and equipment. We've also made
> changes to the space to create the kind of environment where our community
> wants to create. Though we are in name a science and engineering library-
> we work across many departments and colleges with several faculty and
> students to bring together computer scientists, designers, engineers,
> artists, and others to promote a really creative, exploratory learning
> space.
>
> Today, in the DeLaMare Library we have 2 3D printers, a 3D scanner, 2
> button makers, about a dozen arduino kits, soldering kits, AR Drones, and
> more. We've converted a lot of the space that once held books to make room
> for collaborative space and entire walls painted in whiteboard paint.
> We've held a lockpicking workshop in partnership with Reno's local
> makerspace, Bridgewire: http://www.renobridgewire.org/, here in the
> library where over 80 people attended. We worked with them to offer a
> student membership as well.
>
> Bill Nye is coming to our campus and we're heavily involved in the science
> fair planned for that day, showcasing all of the great resources we have
> available and student projects done in the library. We collaborate
> regularly with both Bridgewire and the local co-working space, The Reno
> Collective: http://renocollective.com/. We also have been involved with
> Reno's WordPress group and have hosted WordCamp the past couple of years.
>
> We wrote up a post talking more specifically about the 3D printer and the
> setup here: http://acrl.ala.org/techconnect/?p=1403
>
> You can also see some of the photos of stuff we've done here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dstl_unr
>
> We're working on collaborating more with various departments and
> showcasing all kinds of things here: http://www.kclabs.org
>
> There is a lot to say about what we've been busy doing but I hope this
> glimpse helps- let me know if you have questions or need more information-
> thanks!
>
> Lisa
>
> 
> Lisa Kurt
> Engineering and Emerging Technologies Librarian
> DeLaMare Science and Engineering Library
> University of Nevada, Reno
> phone: 775.682.5706
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/24/12 5:03 AM, "Edward Iglesias" >
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks Jason!  Ab Fab indeed!
> >
> >Edward Iglesias
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jason Griffey 
> >>
> wrote:
> >
> >> In my last Library tech report, I included a chapter on 3D printing
> >> (chapter 4, please excuse the title, I had to) that spoke a bit to why
> >> libraries needed to be in the space, which certainly overlaps with the
> >> Makerspace convo:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://alatechsource.metapress.com/content/rpl5883j3620/?p=5b1da8d73bec46
> >>918808d4fb69a73abe&pi=2
> >>
> >> Full text is available there...the whole work is CC licensed, so feel
> >> free to grab a copy. :-)
> >>
> >> Jason
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:55 PM, David Brightbill
> >> > wrote:
> >> > I'm leading the effort to build a makerspace in my local community and
> >> have some thoughts around the role of established institutions
> >>(libraries,
> >> EDC's, government, etc.) in making this happen.  I'd be happy to have a
> >> telephone or G+ chat with you about this if you wish.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Dave Brightbill
> >> > Manager of Research and Development
> >> > Florida Virtual Campus
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]
> On Behalf
> >>Of
> >> Edward Iglesias
> >> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:11 PM
> >> > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU 
> >> > Subject: [CODE4LIB] Maker Spaces and Academic Libraries
> >> >
> >> > Hello All,
> >> >
> >> > A colleague and I are going to be presenting at code4lib NE on the
> >> subject of makerspaces in academic libraries.  Are any of you doing
> >>this?
> >>  If so I would love to pick your brains a little.
> >> >
> >> > Edward Iglesias
>


-- 
Edward Iglesias

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