Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
If Zotero is slurping up these Endnote-created .ens files without users even knowing about it, that would be one thing. But if .ens files can be created by many people, and if users can use Zotero to import any of these .ens files, and if users _choose_ to use Zotero to import Endnote-created

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Peter Murray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2008, at 9:55 PM, Walter Lewis wrote: I had read the original claim as we export citations accepted at 3500 journals (most of which they might have been able to accomplish with the couple dozen styles in question given the popularity

[CODE4LIB] Call for presentations: ELAG 2009, 22-24 April 2009, Bratislava

2008-09-29 Thread Ron Davies
Call for presentations: New Tools of the Trade, ELAG Conference, 22 – 24 April, 2009, Bratislava, Slovakia. Web 2.0, social networking applications, blogs, wikis, RSS feeds, facetted searching, semantic linking and digital documents are just some of the new developments that are rapidly

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Peter Murray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 29, 2008, at 10:19 AM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote: But there's nothing illegal about reverse engineering it. Unless perhaps you've signed a contract saying you wouldn't (did George Mason? Perhaps, if they have an EndNote license).

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Tim Spalding
I'm guessing that GMU-paid people wrote the code in question—they have quite a team now. But it would an interesting legal question if outside people had done it as part of the Open Source process and GMU had merely agreed to include the code. Tim On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Peter Murray

[CODE4LIB] http://code4lib.org/conference

2008-09-29 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
Could anyone provide more details on registration to http://code4lib.org/conference Kindest thanks, -- Ya¹aqov Ziso, Rowan University 856 256 4804 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Peter Murray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Tim Spalding wrote: I'm guessing that GMU-paid people wrote the code in question―they have quite a team now. But it would an interesting legal question if outside people had done it as part of the Open Source process

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Edward M. Corrado
Peter Murray wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 29, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Tim Spalding wrote: I'm guessing that GMU-paid people wrote the code in question―they have quite a team now. But it would an interesting legal question if outside people had done it as part of

Re: [CODE4LIB] http://code4lib.org/conference

2008-09-29 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
Ya'aqov, I don't believe registration is open for the 2009 conference yet. Keep an eye on the list and the code4lib.org website. Details specific to the 2009 conf will show up here: http://code4lib.org/conference/2009/ -Mike On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ya'aqov Ziso [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Klein, Michael
Edward M. Corrado wrote: This will be interesting to see how it works out. From what I read, it looks like the case that Thomson has is based on, or at least strongly enhanced by, the EULA. Thus, the legal questions may end up being 1) is freeing data from a proprietary file format aviolation

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Edward M. Corrado
Klein, Michael wrote: Edward M. Corrado wrote: This will be interesting to see how it works out. From what I read, it looks like the case that Thomson has is based on, or at least strongly enhanced by, the EULA. Thus, the legal questions may end up being 1) is freeing data from a

[CODE4LIB] authors wanted for access2008

2008-09-29 Thread Eric Lease Morgan
Authors are wanted for Access2008. I'm sure a number of us here will be attending the venerable Access2008 Conference. [1] I'm also sure many of us attendees will be blogging the event. I have also learned that Ariadne [2] is seeking authors to write articles about the conference for an

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Bill Dueber
Am I wrong, though, in thinking that a clean-room recreation of the Zotero code that parses .ens files would be legal (although the use of ISI-provided .ens files would still be, at best, questionable)? If so, I'd like to encourage everyone who might be interested in working on such a project to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Danielle Plumer
Edward M. Corrado wrote: This will be interesting to see how it works out. From what I read, it looks like the case that Thomson has is based on, or at least strongly enhanced by, the EULA. Thus, the legal questions may end up being 1) is freeing data from a proprietary file format aviolation

Re: [CODE4LIB] Zotero under attack

2008-09-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Makes sense to me. Only the judge that decides the case knows for sure. Jonathan Bill Dueber wrote: Am I wrong, though, in thinking that a clean-room recreation of the Zotero code that parses .ens files would be legal (although the use of ISI-provided .ens files would still be, at best,

Re: [CODE4LIB] creating call number browse

2008-09-29 Thread Owen Stephens
It just seems like if you've got Endeca doing the heavy lifting already, then building something separate just to allow you to enter a specific point in a sorted results list sounds like hard work? Two possible approaches that occur to me (and of course not knowing Endeca they may be well off

Re: [CODE4LIB] creating call number browse

2008-09-29 Thread Nathan Vack
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Michael Doran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're retrieving the data from your ILS and the ILS already has a normalized call number field, you would want to retrieve that in addition to your display call number. That would allow for sorting by call number

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread [Amanda Hartman]
Before hiring a professional, I suggest we tap into our own resources first. I personally have designed several logos for companies and websites (in some cases I was even paid!), but am by no means professionally trained, nor do I consider myself a professional graphic designer. I would bet that

Re: [CODE4LIB] creating call number browse

2008-09-29 Thread kgj2
Ken, That is an impressive collation of call numbers for each subject! Clearly a lot of work went into this. (For example, bringing together precise call number ranges within BX, DC, GV, HV, HX, LB, NA, NB, PN, PS, TH, and Z into the single topic Architecture.) Can you tell us a bit about how

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread Wally Grotophorst
I'll vote no on a logo. Not interested in adopting corporate mentality. -- Wally Jonathan Rochkind wrote: To me, a committee of volunteers that anyone interested can be on _is_ a community decision. This is sort of a philosophical discussion/debate we've had before. Some people think

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread Kevin S. Clarke
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, a committee of volunteers that anyone interested can be on _is_ a community decision. Yeah, I'm fine with this too (kind of). I would be against a committee that wasn't open to whomever wanted to join (like,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread Ranti Junus
The key to working with a professional is in identiyfing the design program — what the organization's story is, who its community is, and who you want to get your message to with the branding, as well as identifying what uses the logo will be used for — print, promotional items (t-shirts,

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread Jay Luker
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Michael J. Giarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If folks are in favor of someone in the community -- the list now has over 1,000 subscribers -- rather than a professional designing the logo, perhaps this could be a contest of sorts, much like our conference t-shirt

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread Stephanie Brinley
Dear Code4Lib, Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread Stephanie Brinley
Dear Code4Lib, Because I'm not a coder or a librarian, I am not a member of the Code4Lib community. However, my husband Jonathan, who is a member, told me about the logo thread Roy started last week. As a professional designer, I agree with Roy that Code4Lib could use a well-designed logo to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

2008-09-29 Thread Edward Corrado
I should clarify for those who might not have been following this thread closely, Stephanie Brinley said that she was volunteering to create a logo for code4lib. Options 1 and 3 would both cost us some money, whereas option 2 would be free of charge. Edward Edward M. Corrado wrote: I am

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

2008-09-29 Thread Emily Molanphy
Ignite, Drupal, Ubuntu, OLPC and lots of other tech groups have logos and brand identities. Actually some of the best-known logos are for non-profits--I'll bet most of us can mentally summon the United Way logo, no problem. I don't see it as a corpporate gesture. Code4Lib is a group that people

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

2008-09-29 Thread Joe Atzberger
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Nicolas Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:56 PM, wally grotophorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll risk ostracism and admit that I think this concern with a logo is a little too corporate for my sensibilities. But then that'd be part

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

2008-09-29 Thread Tom Keays
I submit this for a logo: http://code4lib.org/themes/panizzi/panizzi-watermark.png Flogging the I don't give a rat's ass vote since 1 minute ago. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Roy Tennant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we've been getting a variety of responses to my suggestion that now

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread Ed Summers
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, a committee of volunteers that anyone interested can be on _is_ a community decision. Well it all depends on how the committee is selected doesn't it? If it's people who care enough to volunteer, and are

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

2008-09-29 Thread Stephanie Brinley
In regards to ownership and trademarks... Typically, the client has full ownership of a logo to use however they wish. Since Code4Lib technically can't own the logo, I would recommend having the logo released under the Attribution-NoDerivshttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/CC License.

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

2008-09-29 Thread Tim Shearer
Socialized medicine? Sure. *We* have authority files! -t On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, David Fiander wrote: One of the most important pages in the print volumes of the Library of Congress Subject Headings (LCSH), is the title page verso, which includes publication and copyright details. The folks at

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

2008-09-29 Thread Andrew Nagy
I was aware of this data - but I'm really curious if anyone has ever heard of or seen a scraping process that is run frequently to get updates. The data on the fred2.0 site is from 2006. I'd like to try to keep an up to date copy - especially since us Americans are entitled to free access to

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

2008-09-29 Thread Andrew Nagy
Although note that these are only *subject* authorities. Andrew, I think you may also be looking for name authorities (since I assume this inquiry came from a suspiciously topically similar thread on vufind-tech). Yes - I would love to be able to obtain all authority files. Also, Ed's

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

2008-09-29 Thread Shawn Boyette
Individual facts or datum are not copyrightable, but collections of facts -- particular expressions of data -- are. This is what makes phone books, databases, and the like subject to copyright. P.S. N.B. IANAL On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [CODE4LIB] creating call number browse

2008-09-29 Thread Steve Meyer
one counter argument that i would make to this is that we consistently hear from faculty that they absolutely adore browsing the stacks--there is something that they have learned to love about the experience regardless of whether they understand that it is made possible by the work of

Re: [CODE4LIB] Logo vote

2008-09-29 Thread beanworks
Oh yeah. Especially in light of the other thread on code4lib: http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/09/17/Reuters_Says_George_Mason_University_Is_Handing_Out_Its_Proprietary_Software.htm On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Pirates! Shanley-Roberts, Ross

Re: [CODE4LIB] Logo vote

2008-09-29 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
My point, I trust, is now abundantly clear. :) On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Edward M. Corrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pirates! Shanley-Roberts, Ross A. Mr. wrote: Ninjas!!! -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Dowling

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

2008-09-29 Thread Nathan Vack
Oh! You're right, they're clear about that on their web page, as well. As Bryan points out. So, wait: A bunch of libraries could pool together, buy the Whole Enchilada for $28k, and put up a torrent? Or, put another way, for less than the base salary of a starting developer, *everyone* in the US

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

2008-09-29 Thread Kevin S. Clarke
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Thomas Dowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about trademark ownership and permissions for any logo? I'd hate to see any conflict or misunderstanding down the road about who can put the logo on what, who can sell t-shirts with it, etc. Good questions. I

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

2008-09-29 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
As of last update of the LOC authority files, 08-11-2008: Name authority files total 7,161,713 records Subject authority files total 339,144 records http://www.loc.gov/cds/PDFdownloads/csb/index.html informs us American citizens of the quarterly updates for New Subjects, and Replacement

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread Kyle Banerjee
I find this debate interesting. In the regular world, whenever there is a revolution somewhere, the new government typically spends insane amounts of energy renaming streets and other symbols. Anyone that's been involve in a website design knows that you'll spend an eternity in font and color

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo?

2008-09-29 Thread Cloutman, David
2-3 colors max++ --- David Cloutman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [Amanda Hartman] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 1:45 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

2008-09-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Actually, I'm pretty sure a phone book is not, in the US, in general, copyrightable. I don't believe US law has any special protection for collections of facts. The canonical introductory intellectual property class example, which happens to be about a phone book in fact, is Feist v. Rural

Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib Logo

2008-09-29 Thread Cloutman, David
In my experience, good brands accurately represent the organizational nature of the entities they represent. IMHO, as disorganized as humanly possible, isn't such a bad place to start. :) --- David Cloutman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electronic Services Librarian Marin County Free Library

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

2008-09-29 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Nathan Vack wrote: So, wait: A bunch of libraries could pool together, buy the Whole Enchilada for $28k, and put up a torrent? I thought I remembered something about Casey Bisson doing exactly that with a grant/award he received? I forget what happened to it. A snapshot would just be a

Re: [CODE4LIB] LOC Authority Data

2008-09-29 Thread Ed Summers
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Jonathan Rochkind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I remembered something about Casey Bisson doing exactly that with a grant/award he received? I forget what happened to it. A snapshot would just be a snapshot of course, it wouldn't include records created or