Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-08 Thread Westbrook, Bradley
for that MARC record, and the OCLC record identifier. Brad W. -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Fleming, Declan Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:43 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF Hi

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-07 Thread Owen Stephens
be considered a smallish email attachment.) kc D -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Esme Cowles Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:22 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF I

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-07 Thread Owen Stephens
, Diane Hillman, Ed Summers, Bradley Westbrook. Gabriela -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:44 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Karen Coyle
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Esme Cowles Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:22 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF I looked into this a little more closely, and it turns out it's a little more complicated than I remembered. We built support

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Owen Stephens
attachment.) kc D -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Esme Cowles Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:22 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF I looked into this a little more closely

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Owen Stephens
I think the strength of adopting RDF is that it doesn't tie us to a single vocab/schema. That isn't to say it isn't desirable for us to establish common approaches, but that we need to think slightly differently about how this is done - more application profiles than 'one true schema'. This is

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Owen, Will
This is a *very* tangential rant, but it makes me mental when I hear people say the 'disk space' is no longer an issue. While it's true that the costs of disk drives continue to drop, my experience is that the cost of managing storage and backups is rising almost exponentially as libraries

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Mark Jordan
Well said Will, Mark - Original Message - This is a *very* tangential rant, but it makes me mental when I hear people say the 'disk space' is no longer an issue. While it's true that the costs of disk drives continue to drop, my experience is that the cost of managing storage and

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Fleming, Declan
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF Well said Will, Mark - Original Message - This is a *very* tangential rant, but it makes me mental when I hear people say the 'disk space' is no longer an issue. While it's true that the costs of disk drives continue to drop, my

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Fleming, Declan
[mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Owen Stephens Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 8:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF I'd suggest that rather than shove it in a triple it might be better to point at alternative representations, including

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Montoya, Gabriela
-Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:44 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF Quoting Fleming, Declan dflem...@ucsd.edu: Hi - I'll note that the mapping

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread BRIAN TINGLE
On Dec 6, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Montoya, Gabriela wrote: ... I'd much rather see resources invested in data synching than spending it in saving text dumps that will most likely not be referred to again. ... In a MARC-as-the-record-of-record scenario; storing the original raw MARC might be

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 20:52, Montoya, Gabriela gamont...@ucsd.edu wrote: One critical thing to consider with MARC records (or any metadata, for that matter) is that it they are not stagnant, so what is the value of storing entire record strings into one triple if we know that metadata is

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread stuart yeates
On 07/12/11 14:52, Montoya, Gabriela wrote: Dream Team for Building a MARC RDF Model: Karen Coyle, Alistair Miles, Diane Hillman, Ed Summers, Bradley Westbrook. As much as I have nothing against anyone on this list, isn't it a little US-centric? Didn't we make that mistake before? cheers

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Alexander Johannesen
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:49 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz wrote: As much as I have nothing against anyone on this list, isn't it a little US-centric? Didn't we make that mistake before? I wouldn't worry. A dream-team have no basis in reality, hence the dream part. I'd like to see a

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Mark A. Matienzo
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Alexander Johannesen alexander.johanne...@gmail.com wrote: A dream-team have no basis in reality, hence the dream part. Tell that to the 1992 U.S. Men's Olympic Basketball Team. Mark

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Stuart Yeates
A dream-team have no basis in reality, hence the dream part. Tell that to the 1992 U.S. Men's Olympic Basketball Team. So, the response to my suggestion of an unhelpful US bias is a US-based metaphor? I'll just consider my point proved. cheers stuart

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-06 Thread Michael J. Giarlo
I mean, have you *seen* Drexler dunk? -Original message- From: Stuart Yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nz To: CODE4LIB@listserv.nd.edu Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 06:50:28 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF A dream-team have no basis in reality, hence the dream part. Tell

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-05 Thread Matt Machell
Owen mentioned the Talis (now Capita Libraries) model. If you'd like more info on that, our tech lead put his slides from the Linked Data in Libraries event online at: http://www.slideshare.net/philjohn/linked-library-data-in-the-wild-8593328 They cover some of the work we've done, approaches

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-05 Thread Karen Coyle
Thanks, Matt. The RDF here uses BIBO and DC, and is therefore definitely lossy. I'm not saying that's a bad thing -- loss from MARC may well be the only way to save library metadata. What I would be interested in learning is how one decides WHAT to lose. Im also curious to know if any

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
On 12/5/2011 1:40 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: This brings up another point that I haven't fully grokked yet: the use of MARC kept library data consistent across the many thousands of libraries that had MARC-based systems. Well, only somewhat consistent, but, yeah. What happens if we move to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Noerr
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF On 12/5/2011 1:40 PM, Karen Coyle wrote: This brings up another point that I haven't fully grokked yet: the use of MARC kept library data consistent across the many thousands of libraries that had MARC-based systems

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-05 Thread Fleming, Declan
: Monday, December 05, 2011 11:22 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF I looked into this a little more closely, and it turns out it's a little more complicated than I remembered. We built support for transforming to MODS using the MODS21slim2MODS.xsl stylesheet

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-03 Thread Karen Coyle
Esme, let me second Owen's enthusiasm for more detail if you can supply it. I think we also need to start putting these efforts along a loss continuum - MODS is already lossy vis-a-vis MARC, and my guess is that some of the other MARC-RDF transforms don't include all of the warts and

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-02 Thread Esme Cowles
Owen- Another strategy for capturing MARC data in RDF is to convert it to MODS (we do this using the LoC MARC to MODS stylesheet: http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/xslt/MARC21slim2MODS.xsl). From there, it's pretty easy to incorporate into RDF. There are some issues to be aware of, such

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-02 Thread Owen Stephens
Hi Esme - thanks for this. Do you have any documentation on which predicates you've used and MODS-RDF transformation? Owen On 2 Dec 2011, at 16:07, Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu wrote: Owen- Another strategy for capturing MARC data in RDF is to convert it to MODS (we do this using the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-02 Thread Owen Stephens
Oh - and perhaps just/more importantly - how do you create URIs for you data and how do you reconcile against other sources? Owen On 2 Dec 2011, at 16:07, Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu wrote: Owen- Another strategy for capturing MARC data in RDF is to convert it to MODS (we do this using

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-12-02 Thread Esme Cowles
Owen- We assign ARKs[1] to our objects (and predicates for that matter). The issue of reconciling against other sources hasn't come as much, since we have mostly focused on our unique objects. But we have worked on that issue some. For example, several years ago, I worked on the UCAI

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-11-28 Thread Owen Stephens
It would be great to start collecting transforms together - just a quick brain dump of some I'm aware of MARC21 transformations Cambridge University Library - http://data.lib.cam.ac.uk - transformation made available (in code) from same site Open University - http://data.open.ac.uk - specific

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-11-28 Thread Jon Stroop
You may know about this one already, but the BL exposed the British National Bibliography as RDF last summer. The project has a page[1] with a good amount of info--the data model[2] might be a good place to start. -Jon 1. http://www.bl.uk/bibliographic/datafree.html 2.

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-11-28 Thread Karen Coyle
Mike, that's what I suspected is going on. It might be good to mine those efforts, contrast and compare. Maybe not the details, but the general models. kc Quoting Mike Taylor m...@indexdata.com: I was at a one-day conference hosted by the British Library a few months ago, on the use of

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-11-28 Thread Karen Coyle
Wow. Thank you, Owen! As a way not to lose these, I have done a crude page on the futurelib wiki with the contents of your mail, and promise to clean it up at some not too distant date: http://futurelib.pbworks.com/w/page/48408645/MARC%20in%20RDF When/if I get the time, I will try to dig

Re: [CODE4LIB] Models of MARC in RDF

2011-11-27 Thread Mike Taylor
I was at a one-day conference hosted by the British Library a few months ago, on the use of Linked Data in libraries. There were about 50 people there in total. It became apparent that between us we represented AT LAST ten separate projects (or parts of bigger project) for converting MARC data