Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-06-01 Thread stuart yeates
I'm not sure about other dialects of English, but in New Zealand English, a negation there has no impact on the semantics or subtleties of that sentence. cheers stuart On 01/06/11 07:18, Ed Summers wrote: a bit of a fruedian slip there I suppose :-) s/could/couldn't/ //Ed On Tue, May

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-31 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Summers Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 4:59 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Big +1 for promoting the use of the Authority Control Wikipedia template.I know i'm being a bit

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-31 Thread Ed Summers
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jonathan Rochkind rochk...@jhu.edu wrote: The LCCN one does not work. Tries to take me to: http://errol.oclc.org/laf/n79021614.html Which results in an HTTP 500 error from the OCLC server. Since this template apparently generates a URL to an OCLC service

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-31 Thread Ross Singer
PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Big +1 for promoting the use of the Authority Control Wikipedia template.I know i'm being a bit of a broken record, but you can watch as people add these by looking at or subscribing to:    http

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-31 Thread Thomas Berger
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 31.05.2011 17:55, schrieb Jonathan Rochkind: VIAF one works great, taking me to the human readable VIAF page. PND one seems to work too, taking me to the authority page in the Deutsche National Bibliothek. The LCCN one does not work.

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-31 Thread Ed Summers
a bit of a fruedian slip there I suppose :-) s/could/couldn't/ //Ed On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Ed Summers e...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Thomas Berger t...@gymel.com wrote: Currently about 150.000 articles on wikipedia.de carry the associated PND number,

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-31 Thread Ed Summers
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Thomas Berger t...@gymel.com wrote: Currently about 150.000 articles on wikipedia.de carry the associated PND number, many of them also LoC-NA and VIAF numbers: Makes me wonder if we could use inter-wiki links to automatically update some of the en.wikipedia

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-26 Thread stuart yeates
Some reflection suggests that for this to authority stuff to really take off we have to make it _really_ easy for wikipedians to do. As a model of how this could be done (and as a template to steal^H^H^H^H^Hreuse code from) I suggest HotCat:

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-26 Thread Graham Seaman
, 2011 4:59 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Big +1 for promoting the use of the Authority Control Wikipedia template.I know i'm being a bit of a broken record, but you can watch as people add these by looking at or subscribing

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-26 Thread Ed Summers
It's the server unfortunately. I think OCLC is trying to figure out what to do with errol ... there's a thread on the wc-devnet-l if you are interested: http://listserv.oclc.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1105dL=wc-devnet-lT=0F=PX=4D30895CB90D4C912FP=73 //Ed On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:15 PM,

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-25 Thread Lovins, Daniel
, May 24, 2011 4:59 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Big +1 for promoting the use of the Authority Control Wikipedia template.I know i'm being a bit of a broken record, but you can watch as people add these by looking at or subscribing

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-25 Thread Lovins, Daniel
Oops. Thanks Ed! -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Summers Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:47 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Hey Daniel, It looks like you used

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-25 Thread Karen Coyle
: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Big +1 for promoting the use of the Authority Control Wikipedia template.I know i'm being a bit of a broken record, but you can watch as people add these by looking at or subscribing to:    http://linkypedia.inkdroid.org/websites/23/pages/ Also, re

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-25 Thread Ed Summers
The user profile pages that reference the website should eventually (1 or 2 days) turn up under the Users tab, e.g. http://linkypedia.inkdroid.org/websites/23/users/ I don't see you there yet though :-) //Ed On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: Hi, Ed. Do

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-24 Thread Ralph LeVan
Are there any guidelines us wikipedians should be using to increase the likelihood of matches? I'm thinking in particular of the representation of uncertain dates. The first step in the process is identifying entries for people. The presence of a Persondata block in the article is very

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-24 Thread Lovins, Daniel
/ Daniel -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ralph LeVan Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:23 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Are there any guidelines us wikipedians should

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-24 Thread Ralph LeVan
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Are there any guidelines us wikipedians should be using to increase the likelihood of matches? I'm thinking in particular of the representation of uncertain dates. The first step in the process is identifying entries for people

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-24 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control / Daniel * * -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ralph LeVan Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:23 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-24 Thread stuart yeates
On 25/05/11 02:36, Lovins, Daniel wrote: Ralph, all, Regarding the Wikipedia template for VIAF, haven't tried it myself, but I believe the following syntax works: {{Authority control|PND=119408643|LCCN=n/79/113947|VIAF=59263727}} Based on description on this Wikipedia page:

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-24 Thread Ed Summers
Big +1 for promoting the use of the Authority Control Wikipedia template.I know i'm being a bit of a broken record, but you can watch as people add these by looking at or subscribing to: http://linkypedia.inkdroid.org/websites/23/pages/ Also, re: Jonathan's good advice to check out Wikipedia

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-23 Thread LeVan,Ralph
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ya'aqov Ziso Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:15 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Thanks Karen, but you don't indicate yet, how you solve disambiguation? You indicate how you use WP as a resource for adding

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-23 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ya'aqov Ziso Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:15 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Thanks Karen, but you don't indicate yet, how you solve disambiguation

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-23 Thread Ralph LeVan
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ya'aqov Ziso Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 5:15 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation Thanks Karen, but you don't indicate yet, how you solve disambiguation? You indicate how you use WP as a resource

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-23 Thread stuart yeates
On 24/05/11 01:04, LeVan,Ralph wrote: What we do is make local authority records out of the Wikipedia records that we've identified as names. So the adding dates and stuff is to the local authority record of that Wikipedia record. We then use our usual VIAF matching technology between those

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-22 Thread stuart yeates
On 21/05/11 16:29, Ya'aqov Ziso wrote: - Ludvig van Beethoven doesn't need much disambiguation. Are you sure? http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py?page=Ludwig_van_Beethoven cheers stuart -- Stuart Yeates Library Technology Services http://www.victoria.ac.nz/library/

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-22 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
*Ode to your cheers: a**s a personal name, with birth and death dates, in NAF, is not an ambiguous heading. toolserver.org is all yours.* * * ***Joy to Stuart. * * * *** * On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:23 PM, stuart yeates stuart.yea...@vuw.ac.nzwrote: On 21/05/11 16:29, Ya'aqov Ziso wrote:

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-22 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
Thanks Karen, but you don't indicate yet, how you solve disambiguation? You indicate how you use WP as a resource for adding dates and subjects when they are missing. You don't indicate when/how you are resolving ambiguities with WP data. Again, please use Morris William as an example, *Ya'aqov*

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-20 Thread Graham Seaman
Thanks Karen Looks like the OL code uses birth date + name, which is just what I was thinking of doing. Although you say it's to run against a wikipedia dump it looks like it should actually work with small changes against the wikipedia API too. But I need this in PHP so I'll have to pick through

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-20 Thread Graham Seaman
Hi Karen Thanks for the code. As far as I can see though it doesn't actually solve my disambiguation problem - since identity_info.php just takes a name as input, it can't guess which of the people with this name is meant other than by using the most commonly referenced one, which in the OCLC

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-20 Thread Karen Coombs
Karen, I'll have to get Ralph LeVan or Thom Hickey to comment on how we were able to create the Wikipedia links in Identities. I don't know the details just that the data is there. Karen On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote: This sounds like a great way to

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-20 Thread Ya'aqov Ziso
Karen, * - Identities in WorldCat are based on literary warrant, i.e., names for people who authored/edited something or were subject in someone else's literary work. Personal names in WikiPedia are not entered according to literary warrant. Nor is their form vetted according to NAF.

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-19 Thread Karen Coombs
Graham, I'd advocate using WorldCat Identities to get to the appropriate url for dbpedia. Each Identity record has a wikipedia element in it that you could use to link to either Wikipedia or dbpedia. If you want to see an example of this in action you can check out the Author Info demo I did for

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
In addition to the approaches you note, might be worth investigating this tool that came up in a thread just a few days ago on this list: http://wikipedia-miner.sourceforge.net/ I think nobody's done enough with this yet to be sure what will work best, I think you're going to have to

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-19 Thread Karen Coyle
This sounds like a great way to translate from library forms to wikipedia name forms. But for on-the-fly use I wonder if it wouldn't be more efficient to eliminate the middle man. Karen, can you say a little about what it took to link library names to WP? Was it a one-step, two-step, etc.?

Re: [CODE4LIB] wikipedia/author disambiguation

2011-05-19 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
Curious what script you've used that isn't production ready -- I don't think you meant to post in the URL for the JQuery library? On 5/19/2011 10:39 AM, Karen Coyle wrote: This sounds like a great way to translate from library forms to wikipedia name forms. But for on-the-fly use I wonder if