Re: Requesting clarification in ByLaw text.

2004-12-22 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 22 Dec 2004, at 07:27, Greg Stein wrote: FWIW, I liked your phrase in another email about renaming the "PMC Bylaws" to something like "Standard Operating Rules" or somesuch. Tho my personal opinion is to just lose them and have one set of rules for all ASF PMCs. We haven't done that in the past

Re: Is ASL2.0 not "GPL-compatible" ??

2004-12-22 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Different thread, so my self-imposed ban does not fully apply. And I'm speaking up here to once again correct a misstatement. Stephen McConnell wrote: > > The normal oversight process is closely tied to the policies and > procedures on the ground. Things like

Re: Requesting clarification in ByLaw text.

2004-12-22 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 01:39 AM 12/22/2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >On Wednesday 22 December 2004 15:27, Greg Stein wrote: >> FWIW, I liked your phrase in another email about renaming the "PMC >> Bylaws" to something like "Standard Operating Rules" or somesuch. Tho >> my personal opinion is to just lose them and have o

Re: Requesting clarification in ByLaw text.

2004-12-22 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Greg Stein wrote: ... The HTTPD PMC never consults any "Bylaws". We don't really have them. We simply use the standard ASF voting rules used on any dev list. We know how to build consensus and we operate that way. There are *very* few cases where we call a vote to *force* a direction.

Re: Requesting clarification in ByLaw text.

2004-12-22 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 15:27, Greg Stein wrote: > FWIW, I liked your phrase in another email about renaming the "PMC > Bylaws" to something like "Standard Operating Rules" or somesuch. Tho > my personal opinion is to just lose them and have one set of rules for > all ASF PMCs. That would ma

Re: Requesting clarification in ByLaw text.

2004-12-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 08:48:59PM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >... > Now, section 6.3 in the ByLaws of the ASF doesn't rhyme entirely correctly > with the quotes from the IRC session. > > You said; The PMC is an artificial construct. > Section 6.3 forgets to mention that. In essence, the PMC i

RE: Is ASL2.0 not "GPL-compatible" ??

2004-12-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
> -Original Message- > From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 22 December 2004 01:21 > To: community@apache.org > Subject: RE: Is ASL2.0 not "GPL-compatible" ?? > > > > On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Stephen McConnell wrote: > > > Will the ASF shield me? > > In normal ca

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Stephen McConnell wrote: > > No policy adopted by a project can supercede the policies of the ASF. > > Any that do are null and void, or, at best, advisory only. > Then clearly you have been negligent in your responsibility towards the > Avalon community. If the Avalon policies are invalid - why

RE: Is ASL2.0 not "GPL-compatible" ??

2004-12-22 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Stephen McConnell wrote: > Will the ASF shield me? In normal cases - yes as it is in the interest of the ASF community and codebase long term. And we are in it for the long term. However if you go outside the CLA and the normal oversight process and that is what causes the