Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

On 3/22/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andreas Kostyrka wrote: > * Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070321 22:58]: >> Andreas Kostyrka wrote: >> My challenge is just to think bigger. Think how this could be incorporated to work with *any* phone. Then you can have a much larg

Wifi for OpenMoko - NXP BGM220 just announced

Dear OpenMoko developers, I'm new to this list, but have been watching OpenMoko developments with great interest. I think the OpenMoko platform (and hardware) is the best thing to ever hit the phone market. I noticed your call for people to suggest Wifi chipsets that may be suitable for the O

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

> Just curious, but what are the qualification for being a mentor? Are > they going to be official FIC/OpenMoko employees or phase-0 devs or > whoever volunteers? In principle anyone who volunteers, however it should be a seasoned developer familiar with both the technical side (i.e. I expect th

Re: Gestures and Unicode Input

[Gestures and Unicode Input] > Ben Burdette wrote: > But for password entry it seems very insecure. I mean, > wouldn't entering a password with gestures be like > sending secret messages with signal flags? Anyone > who knows the system could just read what you > were entering. Gilles Casse wro

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Jon Phillips wrote: Heya Mickey, on the official openmoko side, how many students is openmoko shooting for and how many qualified mentors are there? Not that I have an official in at google, I'm just curious? Right now we are 4 mentors and we aim for 8 pro

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

Jon Phillips wrote: > Heya Mickey, on the official openmoko side, how many students is > openmoko shooting for and how many qualified mentors are there? Not that > I have an official in at google, I'm just curious? Right now we are 4 mentors and we aim for 8 projects, provided a) we get so many sl

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 22:58 +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: > Steve Bibayoff wrote: > >> I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i dont > >> know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does some one > >> knows it? > > > Have you seen this pages yet?

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

Steve Bibayoff wrote: >> I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i dont >> know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does some one >> knows it? > Have you seen this pages yet?: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code > http://groups.google.com/g

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote these wise words here on > >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 >From: "hank williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko? >To: community@lists.openmoko.org >Message-ID: > <[EMA

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 19:30 -0200, --- wrote: > Hi all, > > > I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i > dont know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does > some one knows it? My plan is to develop something on text input i > already have some base

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

Hello, On 3/22/07, --- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i dont know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does some one knows it? Have you seen this pages yet?: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code http://g

Re: Gestures and Unicode Input

Ben Burdette wrote: > I don't want to discourage you guys, I'm all for developing a motion > recognition system. It would be cool for using with a speakerphone > output to spell words when you don't want to look at the screen. Using > gestures to navigate an audio based UI would be great for the

OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

Hi all, I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i dont know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does some one knows it? My plan is to develop something on text inputi already have some base ideas an

yet another small wifi chip to consider (NXP)

Hello, Just to throw more info into the fire: "NXP readies ultra small 802.11b/g package" http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=198100726 "NXP Semiconductors is about to start sampling a single-package 81-pin TFBGA Wi-Fi chip that it says is the smallest device yet for

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

This is interesting - even if you just want a smooth scroll action you still need to relate it somehow to machine time (bad approximation of real time) and some time constant. It might be most efficient to group all those functions into a library rather than have lots of apps each doing these calc

Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070321 22:58]: Andreas Kostyrka wrote: ...plus probably a system that would automatically upload/download moko-ness information. This way all mokos could keep in touch, and people that switch phones more often would be able to tu

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

Tim Newsom writes: > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:13, Tim Newsom wrote: >> >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >>> Thoughts? >> >> From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the >> majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages >> many of the

RE: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

This is interesting - even if you just want a smooth scroll action you still need to relate it somehow to machine time (bad approximation of real time) and some time constant. It might be most efficient to group all those functions into a library rather than have lots of apps each doing these calcs

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:13, Tim Newsom wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Thoughts? From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages many of the things related to authentication tha

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

Tim Newsom writes: > >On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: >> Thoughts? > > From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the >majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages >many of the things related to authentication that we have been >disc

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Thoughts? From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages many of the things related to authentication that we have been discussing. Now, if we can spe

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

On Thursday 22 March 2007 17:33, hank williams wrote: > On 3/22/07, Henryk Plötz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Moin, > > > > Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: > > > As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much > > > less disruptively competitive than

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Hi, First of all apologies for my webmail client who broke the threading. I am at home now where I do not need it, so hopefully this will be respected now. On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 13:28 -0400, hank williams wrote: > > So you admit being one of those "evil" people that make >

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

On 2007.03.22, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am obviously not against open source, but this religious stuff is like > the Taliban. Hank, I think you just invoked Godwin's Law 2.0. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Ne

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

So this is exactly what Adobe wanted. They have a group of dedicated users like Hank who demand flash support. And they also hold all the marbles when it comes to bringing flash to a particular platform. Manufacturers such as Nokia are/feel "forced" to provide flash on their internet tablet, and

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

On 3/22/07, Henryk Plötz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Moin, Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: > As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much > less disruptively competitive than it might otherwise be. Developing > apps with flash really allows for t

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

On 3/22/07, Philippe De Swert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, First of all I do not intend to flame you. So no hard feelings towards you. However there are some important points regarding flash that lots of people tend to ignore. So you admit being one of those "evil" people that make websites

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Moin, Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: > As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much > less disruptively competitive than it might otherwise be. Developing > apps with flash really allows for the creation of much more > sophisticated software much

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Hi, First of all I do not intend to flame you. So no hard feelings towards you. However there are some important points regarding flash that lots of people tend to ignore. > The flash situation is interesting. I spend a large part of my time doing > flash development, and the pervasiveness and im

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

On 3/22/07, Edwin Lock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When you say "we don't want..." you really mean YOU don't want... Correct. Thank you for the clarification. I'm all for using open source software (obviously since I am on the maillist and going to get the Neo). But I'm not going to automat

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

On 2007.03.22, hank williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just think that it would be incredibly valuable to the platform to > get flash 9 as soon as possible and not to worry about the open > religion in this arena. If the internet can survive with some closed > source apps, openmoko can too. E

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

OK... I'm clearly just not familiar enough with FUSE, since building a 'personal encryption file system' looks like the way to go, and that didn't occur to me right off. So... 'pefs' maintains a per-user file with a table of encrypted files and a hashed key for each file. It also maintains, in-

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Brad Pitcher wrote: The reason we can't do that is because that's proprietary flash built into opera-mini. We don't want either of those in OpenMoko. -Brad On 3/22/07, Edwin Lock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why n

Re: Gestures and Unicode Input

I don't want to discourage you guys, I'm all for developing a motion recognition system. It would be cool for using with a speakerphone output to spell words when you don't want to look at the screen. Using gestures to navigate an audio based UI would be great for the blind too. But for passwor

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

The flash situation is interesting. I spend a large part of my time doing flash development, and the pervasiveness and importance of the flash platform creates a really serious problem with the religious perspective about everything openmoko being open source. Flash is a critical element of the i

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

The reason we can't do that is because that's proprietary flash built into opera-mini. We don't want either of those in OpenMoko. -Brad On 3/22/07, Edwin Lock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why not use the implementat

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Dnia czwartek, 22 marca 2007, Edwin Lock napisał: > I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm > correct? So why not use the implementation that nokia has? It works > just fine for me.. Nokia paid to have Flash on Nokia 770/n800. You can't use it on other devices without

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Sure, if you are making this device and only targeting areas where the patents do not apply then its fine. But FIC for instance I assume will try to ship their products in US/Canada/Australia and large parts of Europe where patents on these things are in effect. See my reply to Nils for a more el

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Hi Nils, Been discussing this with various organizations over the last few years as part of working with distributions and embedded makers and the response of most lawyers involved is that they don't think the combination of non-free GStreamer plugin + LGPL GStreamer framework + GPL application is

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why not use the implementation that nokia has? It works just fine for me.. Greetings, Edwin Lock ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://list

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

Umm... I don't think you need a full physics engine for the stuff you're talking about. Having a scroll that isn't a 1:1 map to the user's action isn't hard. It's just an extra calculation in the scroll code. I think it's a great idea to have some rate-aiding on scrolling. But I think an actua

UI long term development perspective: physics engine

Hi I know it's not gonna come in the priority list before at least a year (or ever), but if we want to add eye candy & (possibly) useability to the UI (such as smooth realistic list scrolling, as seen in apple's iphone demo on contacts lists), we'll need a physics engine, so that moves & animatio

Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

* Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070321 22:58]: > Andreas Kostyrka wrote: > >...plus probably a system that would automatically upload/download moko-ness > >information. > > >This way all mokos could keep in touch, and people that switch phones > >more often would be able to tune it. > > >

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Christian F.K. Schaller schrieb: > Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial > product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and > flash video support. swfdec is LGPL though so as long as the mp3 and > flash video support comes from external libraries it

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Steven ** wrote: How does the GPL prevent mp3 and flash video support? -Steven On 3/22/07, Christian F.K. Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video sup

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

How does the GPL prevent mp3 and flash video support? -Steven On 3/22/07, Christian F.K. Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video support. swfdec is LG

Re: Openmoko Google Summer of Code Projects

Hi, I would like to do Mapping Application for Openmoko as my Summer of code Project. Can someone please be my mentor on this project and provide some comments and details about this project. Thanks Milinda On 3/16/07, Milinda Pathirage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I am udergraduate student

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

On to, 2007-03-22 at 11:31 +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: > One remaining question is if the user manually wants to lock the phone > during use (usually with a PIN). We can't really unmount the microSD card > because then the phonebook is unavailable and incoming calls can't tell who > is calling (and

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > There is many good solutions out here. > > From my point of view, I would like something like this: > - launch apps->security > - check the check boxes you like: > x encrypt phonebook > [...] > > I think this would be possible since each of these groups is st

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > > There is many good solutions out here. > > > > From my point of view, I would like something like this: > > - launch apps->security > > - check the check boxes you like: > > x encrypt phonebook > > [...] > > > > I think this would be possible since each of th

Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

There is many good solutions out here. From my point of view, I would like something like this: - launch apps->security - check the check boxes you like: x encrypt phonebook x encrypt SMS x encrypt browserdata x encrypt multimedia x encrypt other stuff I think this would be possible since

Gestures and Unicode Input

[Gestures and Unicode Input] Gestures, in lieu of passwords, is a brilliant idea and I hope it can be done. However, it sounds deterministically fuzzy/difficult. Even Picaso did not sketch the exact thing twice. Other input methods such as Shapewriting are also very promising. However, none seem

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video support. swfdec is LGPL though so as long as the mp3 and flash video support comes from external libraries it will be fine. Christian On Wed, 2007-