Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-28 Thread Ian Stirling
On 10/28/2013 10:03 PM, Michael Spacefalcon wrote: * Most of the Openmoko community sees my FreeCalypso work as being illegal, because they have voluntarily chosen to live and/or accept citizenship in repressive countries which deem it to be so. I suspect that the power-keepers of the Om Wiki

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Ian Stirling wrote: There are separate issues around the IP that you do not have permission to use. This is the illegality that he is referring to, not any potential spectrum/GSM/IMEI issues. I guess he would ignore the latter as well as the former though. On

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-28 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
Ian Stirling openm...@mauve.plus.com wrote: However, once anyone has used your work to change the IMSI of their phone I assume you meant IMEI. Phones don't have IMSIs, those are numbers stored in SIM cards. and you are aware of this, Yes, I will most likely be aware of it, as I will

Re: Compiling QtMoko buildhost for Neo Freerunner

2013-10-23 Thread Radek Polak
On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 11:07:09 AM Adrien Dorsaz wrote: My QtMoko buildhost is the official one with Debian 6.0.7 and kernel 2.6.32 (IIRC, I've upgraded Debian with apt-get upgrade). Have you any hint to find the error ? I think it is out of memory. You need either big swap (1GB) or

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-22 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] You can thus use either fc-loadtool or the original fluid.exe to flash [cut] Can't we just use dfu-util? It was used to write OS to NAND... and AFAIR it was also used to flash GSM firmware?... -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-22 Thread Jose Luis Perez Diez
El Tuesday 22 October 2013 09:51:07 Patryk Benderz va escriure: cut] You can thus use either fc-loadtool or the original fluid.exe to flash [cut] Can't we just use dfu-util? It was used to write OS to NAND... and AFAIR it was also used to flash GSM firmware?... The procces to flash GSM

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-22 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
Jose Luis Perez Diez jl...@escomposlinux.org wrote: The procces to flash GSM firmware used linux, the serial port, and the fluid binary see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#Manual_Update_.28GTA01.2C_GTA02.29_.2F_geek_way Yes, and that exact same procedure should work just as well

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-18 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
For those following the FreeCalypso project, I have just put out a packaged release of my GSM flash reading/writing etc tools: ftp://ftp.ifctf.org/pub/GSM/FreeCalypso/loadtools-r1.tar.bz2 Of course the source for these tools has been available all along in my freecalypso-sw Hg repository on

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-17 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 17:19:18 +0200 joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for electronic circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are asking for:

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-17 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 17:24:51 +0200 Raphael Wimmer raphael.wim...@ifi.lmu.de wrote: * The concept assumes that all components use a common communication backplane. This is not feasible, as a variety of voltages and communication protocols are in use in a typical phone (I2C, SPI, UART, USB,

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-17 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 15:00:07 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: And it would be bulkier and more expensive than a non-modular phone, of course. http://components.arrow.com/part/search/buglabs The main cost in doing that is the plastic of the modules. Denis.

Phonebloks gta-0x

2013-10-17 Thread Matthias Apitz
Hello, While reading a German computer magazin (c't 22/2013), I came across this: http://www.phonebloks.com/ Don't know if it makes sense for us to check if it could solve our case problem... matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org

Re: GTA02 giveaway

2013-10-17 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
On 14/10/13 20:23, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: My GTA02 has been sitting around for too long without attention. Thanks for all the interest. My GTA02 now has a new home. Regards Jeff signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko

Re: Phonebloks gta-0x

2013-10-17 Thread Thor Andreassen
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 02:49:05PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: While reading a German computer magazin (c't 22/2013), I came across this: http://www.phonebloks.com/ Don't know if it makes sense for us to check if it could solve our case problem... It was discussed on the list a couple

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Norayr Chilingarian
then flash into your GTA0x GSM modem Wait, it works both on gta-02 and gta-04? Also, did you test if data connection works? I don't use phone calls, only encrypted ssl over tcp over 3g/wifi. I am very interested if this can be flashed to gta-02 device, (unfortunately I don't own gta-04). Also,

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am writes: Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900. ^^^ Afaik the firmware in question won't meet the FSF free software definition or OSI open source

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Balint Szente
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:49:30 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am writes: Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900. ^^^ Afaik the

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Ian Stirling
On 10/16/2013 10:13 AM, Balint Szente wrote: What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI free but illegal to use? In principle, one can take osmocombb through your local approvals process, and get it approved for use in your country. It may also be legal to use in certain

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Nick
Quoth Balint Szente: On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 11:49:30 +0300 Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am writes: Sorry if my questions are a little bit off topic. Anyway I am very interested in free fw for my devices - OM gta-02 and n900.

Re: GTA02 giveaway

2013-10-16 Thread Evgeniy Ginzburg
Hi Jefrey. If it still actual. I'll be very glad to receive you GTA2. Best regards, Evegniy On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Jeffrey Ratcliffe jeffrey.ratcli...@gmail.com wrote: My GTA02 has been sitting around for too long without attention. The battery has discharged completely and I

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Balint Szente bal...@szentedwg.ro writes: Isn't the situation the same with osmocombb as well? Based on what is written here: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/LegalAspects#Usingmodifiedphonesoncarriernetworks can osmocombb considered free software in FSF's or OSI's definition? What is not

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 16.10.2013 um 19:31 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Balint Szente bal...@szentedwg.ro writes: Isn't the situation the same with osmocombb as well? Based on what is written here: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/LegalAspects#Usingmodifiedphonesoncarriernetworks can osmocombb considered

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Bob Ham
On Wed, 2013-10-16 at 20:03 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 16.10.2013 um 19:31 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors: Balint Szente bal...@szentedwg.ro writes: What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI free but illegal to use? Free is a term only considering

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am wrote: then flash into your GTA0x GSM modem Wait, it works both on gta-02 and gta-04? By GTA0x I meant GTA01 and GTA02. GolDeliCo' so-called GTA04 is rather badly misnamed: GTA originally stood for GSM-TI-AGPS; thus a device that does not use a GSM chipset

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Troy Benjegerdes
Afaik you can use it legally if you connect it directly to your own base station. If you connect it by shielded cable or if you place both in a big shielded box. I.e. if the spurious emissions stay below some defined level and don't disturb If you can demonstrate you know what you

Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-16 Thread Bob Ham
On Wed, 2013-10-16 at 14:30 -0500, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: Afaik you can use it legally if you connect it directly to your own base station. The other approach would be to start a kickstarter/selfstarter to buy some spectrum licenses That's not really necessary; GSM development

GTA02 giveaway

2013-10-14 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
My GTA02 has been sitting around for too long without attention. The battery has discharged completely and I can't get it to boot, even with external power, even from the NOR menu. I don't have spare batteries or the equipment for the other boot tricks, and I had stopped using the Freerunner, so

Re: GTA02 giveaway

2013-10-14 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Jeff, I would like to have another GTA02, but please feel free to give it to anyone who need it more than i do. Kind regards, Ed On 10/14/2013 08:23 PM, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: My GTA02 has been sitting around for too long without attention. The battery has discharged completely and I

Re: Kickstarter: Open Source Graphics Processor (GPU)

2013-10-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 09.10.2013 um 22:29 schrieb Raphael Wimmer: Sounds interesting (in the long term): Complete Verilog implementation of a 2D/ 3D graphics processor capable of OpenGL and D3D w/ full test suite http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/725991125/open-source-graphics-processor-gpu Oh, yes. That

Re: Kickstarter: Open Source Graphics Processor (GPU)

2013-10-12 Thread Ian Stirling
On 10/12/2013 05:43 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The main fear I have is that there is not enough funding because nobody can really use it in daily work without investing another lots of money (to integrate the FPGA with something). BR, Nikolaus Speaking in generalities - FPGAs use

Re: Kickstarter: Open Source Graphics Processor (GPU)

2013-10-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 12.10.2013 um 19:23 schrieb Ian Stirling: On 10/12/2013 05:43 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The main fear I have is that there is not enough funding because nobody can really use it in daily work without investing another lots of money (to integrate the FPGA with something). BR,

Re: Kickstarter: Open Source Graphics Processor (GPU)

2013-10-12 Thread Balint Szente
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 19:31:13 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Has anyone experience with the Zynq-7000? It has dual Cortex A9 with VFP/Neon - but apparently lacks a GPU... Such a combination could be comparable with OMAP3/4 in computation power. Exactly, it has just a

Re: Kickstarter: Open Source Graphics Processor (GPU)

2013-10-12 Thread Joerg Eesmann
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 21:49 +0300, Balint Szente wrote: On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 19:31:13 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: Has anyone experience with the Zynq-7000? It has dual Cortex A9 with VFP/Neon - but apparently lacks a GPU... Such a combination could be

First small steps toward free GSM firmware

2013-10-12 Thread Michael Spacefalcon
Hello Om community, I am very pleased to announce that after many years of searching, I have finally found a copy of TI's firmware deliverable package for their Leonardo development board, i.e., for their Calypso/Iota/Rita chipset reference platform. It is the package which TI must have given to

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-10 Thread Maelvon HAWK
# settrans r...@settrans.net -f -R -S Or, The thread is very interesting, but it seems that's Bob will never change is point of view. Nicolas is open to discussion, and is also working on the Gta project, I don't think that Bob is ready to do one step forward before having all the spec,

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-10 Thread EdorFaus
On 10/09/2013 08:10 PM, Bob Ham wrote: On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 08:42 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: 1. you are talking about open SOURCE hardware (which I call free hardware) No. I've explicitly refrained from distinguishing between such labels because I'm aware that they are not as

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-09 Thread Bob Ham
On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 08:42 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Can you agree on the following? 1. you are talking about open SOURCE hardware (which I call free hardware) No. I've explicitly refrained from distinguishing between such labels because I'm aware that they are not as well

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-09 Thread Fernando Martins
On 10/09/2013 08:23 PM, Bob Ham wrote: And the next day, when you've found an old definition that accords with your view, suddenly that one definition would have obviated any discussion. The meaning of the words are defined by the communities that use it and different communities can have

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-09 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Wed 09 October 2013 20:47:01 Fernando Martins wrote: It is laudable to have more hardware open and it would be nice if goldelico would release the schematics in source. But I don't see them has having such obligation neither I see any inconsistence in their actions or words. Goldelico has

Kickstarter: Open Source Graphics Processor (GPU)

2013-10-09 Thread Raphael Wimmer
Sounds interesting (in the long term): Complete Verilog implementation of a 2D/ 3D graphics processor capable of OpenGL and D3D w/ full test suite http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/725991125/open-source-graphics-processor-gpu Should work with both Altera and Xilinx FPGAs Goals: $200k for

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-08 Thread Davide Scaini
Someone was talking about a modular phone, right? Have a look at this (spoiler: it's not a phone ;) yet) http://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/1123-this-could-be-the-biggest-advance-in-camera-design-for-a-decade Regards, d On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Kai Lüke

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-06 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 06.10.2013 um 08:42 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Hi Bob, Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are open hardware - and never were intended to be. That

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 08:28 schrieb Paul Wise: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: You are mixing Free dom with Free Beer. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html But: some people are able to jump out of the window. So do you do as well? I followed the FSF

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Parchet Michaël
Hello, Your free hardware idon't use the Planned obsolescence concept isn't it ? Thanks for your answer. Best regards mparchet Le 5 oct. 2013 à 09:11, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com a écrit : Am 05.10.2013 um 08:28 schrieb Paul Wise: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Dr.

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Bob Ham
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are open hardware - and never were intended to be. That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says: Open Hardware Devices. Letux 2804 / GTA04 Smartphone

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are open hardware - and never were intended to be. That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says: Open

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Bob Ham
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 13:34 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: You're nitpicking about different meanings of open and free. This is hardly nitpicking. If I had known what Nikolaus's position was back in 2010, I doubt I would ever have bought a GTA04. There seems to be (1) the meaning that

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Fernando Martins
On 10/05/2013 01:34 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are open hardware - and never were intended to be.

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 13:34 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: You're nitpicking about different meanings of open and free. This is hardly nitpicking. If I had known what Nikolaus's position was back in 2010, I doubt I would

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Bob Ham
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: I can agree that the usage of free hardware term may be a bit confusing. Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on openphoenux.org is, I believe, not just confusing but dishonest. -- Bob Ham r...@settrans.net for (;;) {

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 05 October 2013 11:09:02 Parchet Michaël wrote: Hello, Your free hardware idon't use the Planned obsolescence concept isn't it ? Thanks for your answer. Best regards mparchet Now THIS is a good question! And the answer is: of course NO planned osolescence, we build that stuff

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Pascal Gosselin
On 2013-10-05 11:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. What immediately jumps to my mind is the small number of pins for the modules, forcing everything to be based on

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Ian Stirling
On 10/05/2013 04:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote: While I understand the needs/wants of open hardware, the average smartphone user really couldn't care less. That's the core of the problem, lack of a large user base. HOWEVER, what a *lot* people seem to be interested in, is an open

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are open hardware - and never were intended to be. That isn't what your OpenPhoenux page says: Open Hardware Devices.

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread joerg Reisenweber
In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for electronic circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are asking for: http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circuit- dominoes/ /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 14:14 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: I can agree that the usage of free hardware term may be a bit confusing. Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on openphoenux.org is, I believe, not just confusing but dishonest.

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:06 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. ++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:14 schrieb Pascal Gosselin: On 2013-10-05 11:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. What immediately jumps to my mind is the small number of pins

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Raphael Wimmer
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 17:04:24 +0200, Pascal Gosselin pas...@aeroteknic.com wrote: [...] If technically feasible, this project I believe stands the best chance of obtaining funding as the concept has wide appeal. Interesting long-term vision: maybe. Short-term replacement for GTA04: no. I

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:19 schrieb joerg Reisenweber: In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for electronic circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are asking for: http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circuit-

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Fernando Martins
On 10/05/2013 02:14 PM, Bob Ham wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: I can agree that the usage of free hardware term may be a bit confusing. Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on openphoenux.org is, I believe, not just confusing but dishonest. When the

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 14:14 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: I can agree that the usage of free hardware term may be a bit confusing. Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on openphoenux.org is, I believe, not just confusing but dishonest.

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:42 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: Am 05.10.2013 um 14:14 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 14:07 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: I can agree that the usage of free hardware term may be a bit confusing. Describing the GTA04 as Open Hardware on

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Bob Ham
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are open hardware - and never were intended to be.

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Martin Jansa
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge,

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 05 October 2013 19:37:59 Bob Ham wrote: Hm, I wonder what you want to prove? I want you to stop describing the GTA04 as open hardware. You seem to be aware that there is a difference between what you describe as open hardware and what others describe as open hardware and yet you

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread joerg Reisenweber
on a sidenote: Was KDE no open source software when Qt wasn't FOSS (for those who still remember that time)? In layout project files they might even be (C) non-free libraries for e.g. component footprints, which would *forbid* disclosing them to the general public. Is the hardware less open

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 19:37 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the Openmoko, OpenPandora, Ubuntu Edge, GTA04 are open hardware -

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Stefan Monnier
There are numerous threads on Reddit that explain very well why this is not feasible [1,2,many] This is bogus. It is feasible. Just not quite in the way those people ask for it. E.g. you wouldn't have just a CPU module, and instead you'd have a module that combines the CPU with many other

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 20:10 schrieb Martin Jansa: On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 17:17 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 05.10.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Bob Ham: On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 07:50 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Neither the

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Bob Ham
On Sat, 2013-10-05 at 20:10 +0200, Martin Jansa wrote: On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:37:59PM +, Bob Ham wrote: I want you to stop describing the GTA04 as open hardware. You seem to be aware that there is a difference between what you describe as open hardware and what others describe as

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Stefan Monnier
But none of them is building modular devices. I wonder why. For the same reason they don't make their hardware open, for the same reason they don't make their software Free, for the same reason they don't want you to have root access on your phone. Stefan

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Álvaro Lopes
On 05/10/13 18:37, Bob Ham wrote: 'Access to the *complete* design is precondition to this' http://www.ohanda.org/ (My emphasis) Long time has passed since I post to this list. Dearest all, open software is something quite easy do define - it's written in common languages, so that it's

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread Martin Jansa
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 07:05:10PM +, Bob Ham wrote: Your accusations sounds like if Nikolaus is using OHANDA clearly defined label without fulfilling requirements defined by OHANDA. Well, I'm not sure how you get that impression. It's not like it's a matter of adherence to a

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-05 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Sat 05 October 2013 21:03:44 Stefan Monnier wrote: But none of them is building modular devices. I wonder why. For the same reason they don't make their hardware open, for the same reason they don't make their software Free, for the same reason they don't want you to have root access on

Re: The open hardware phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Kai Lüke
Hi, GTAx is allready more extensible than normal smartphones because of usb host mode. And any different fast data connector I think about might allow an attacker to get access to your system, like the hacks with firewire. I also think it would be nice to have modular phone, but this is a huge

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Bob Ham
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 21:32 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 03.10.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Bob Ham: I would note that the GTA04 is not a Free Hardware project. Yes that is correct. It is not Free Hardware in the strict FSF definition I don't think FSF has a definition of Free

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 04 October 2013 19:48:19 Bob Ham wrote: You've previously said that the reason you refuse to release the hardware source files, making the device more open, is because you expect money in return. Are you now saying restricting access to the hardware source files is somehow a design

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 04.10.2013 um 19:48 schrieb Bob Ham: On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 21:32 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 03.10.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Bob Ham: I would note that the GTA04 is not a Free Hardware project. Yes that is correct. It is not Free Hardware in the strict FSF definition I

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 20:16 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 04.10.2013 um 19:48 schrieb Bob Ham: I don't think FSF has a definition of Free Hardware. Possibly we're ascribing different meanings to the phrase. Yes they have one and even do a certification (which would not be

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I already told you that the hardware source files are open and public. I agree with Bob Ham on this. The source files are not public and even the PDFs are not open, they are licensed under a non-commercial license (CC-BY-NC-SA).

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 04.10.2013 um 21:26 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 20:16 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 04.10.2013 um 19:48 schrieb Bob Ham: I don't think FSF has a definition of Free Hardware. Possibly we're ascribing different meanings to the phrase. Yes they have one and even

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 05:09 schrieb Paul Wise: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I already told you that the hardware source files are open and public. I agree with Bob Ham on this. The source files are not public and even the PDFs are not open, they are licensed

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-03 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, Am 03.10.2013 um 05:15 schrieb Stefan Monnier: Production problems show almost immediately, even if there is only one person. And they show after making let's say 20 units. As you know, that has not been the experience with the GTA02, where audio quality output (works fine for

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-03 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 03 October 2013 08:56:43 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I know. But I'm not talking about swapping the actual CPU or the actual display. I'm talking about swapping the CPU module or the display module. I.e. create a standardized module interface around off-the-shelf (i.e.

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-03 Thread Bob Ham
On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 23:15 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: It would have its own cost (in money and in size), but in the long run, I hope the benefits of relying on standardized interfaces would make up for it. From what I can tell, Free Hardware projects don't benefit nearly enough from

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-03 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 03.10.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Bob Ham: On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 23:15 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: It would have its own cost (in money and in size), but in the long run, I hope the benefits of relying on standardized interfaces would make up for it. From what I can tell, Free Hardware

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
Production problems show almost immediately, even if there is only one person. And they show after making let's say 20 units. As you know, that has not been the experience with the GTA02, where audio quality output (works fine for line-out but not for headphones), GPS issues, and the 1024

[QtMoko] WPA connections workaround

2013-09-30 Thread francesco . devita
Hi There is an annoying problem in QtMoko when you try to connect to a WPA protected network: the network manager fails to connect to the chosen network and/or loses manual IP settings. I don't remember if this issue was solved but I found a workaround by chance. I noticed that if there is only

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-09-26 Thread Parchet Michaël
Hello, Is there a device on production with witch I can choice the os I want install or install several os (multi boot) ? Best regards mparchet Le 25 sept. 2013 à 21:32, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com a écrit : Am 25.09.2013 um 20:45 schrieb Stefan Monnier: I don't see

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-09-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 26.09.2013 um 11:06 schrieb Parchet Michaël: Hello, Is there a device on production with witch I can choice the os I want install or install several os (multi boot) ? Almost. The GTA04A5 can go on production (again) as soon as we get enough orders. -- hns Best regards mparchet

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-09-26 Thread Parchet Michaël
Hello, Can you send me the URL for GTA04A5 ? Best regards mparchet Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 26 sept. 2013 à 11:18, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com a écrit : Am 26.09.2013 um 11:06 schrieb Parchet Michaël: Hello, Is there a device on production with witch I can choice

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-09-26 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 26.09.2013 um 11:42 schrieb Parchet Michaël: Hello, Can you send me the URL for GTA04A5 ? https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 A5 is the board revision/variant: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Versions/ Best regards mparchet Envoyé de mon iPhone

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-09-26 Thread Parchet Michaël
Hello, Is there a phone or tablet with GTA04A5 ? Thanks for your answer ? Best regards mparchet Le 26 sept. 2013 à 11:47, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com a écrit : Am 26.09.2013 um 11:42 schrieb Parchet Michaël: Hello, Can you send me the URL for GTA04A5 ?

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-09-25 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi Stefan, Am 25.09.2013 um 05:01 schrieb Stefan Monnier: The main problem I see with such Free and/or Open phone is the small production syndrome. Small productions mean high prices and low reliability, whereas we need reasonable prices and reliability. Yes, small production is the key

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-09-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
I don't see reliability as a problem because it depends on what type of reliability you are thinking of: component, software, hardware, production, or availability. Small production runs means very few people have a chance of discovering, let alone, fixing the various problems that can show

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-09-25 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 25.09.2013 um 20:45 schrieb Stefan Monnier: I don't see reliability as a problem because it depends on what type of reliability you are thinking of: component, software, hardware, production, or availability. Small production runs means very few people have a chance of discovering, let

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-09-25 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Wed 25 September 2013 21:32:13 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 25.09.2013 um 20:45 schrieb Stefan Monnier: Production problems show almost immediately, even if there is only one person. And they show after making let's say 20 units. I.e. it does not need to produce let's say 1000 units

[openBmap] saving old log files

2013-09-24 Thread Patryk Benderz
Hello everybody, for those of you who are using openBmap on FreeRunner, there were issues with uploading old files with scanned BTS and AP. To rescue all this valuable data please read this: https://sourceforge.net/p/myposition/discussion/785485/thread/7ed0d6e8/?limit=25 For the rest: sorry for

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