The main problem I see with such Free and/or Open phone is the small
production syndrome. Small productions mean high prices and low
reliability, whereas we need reasonable prices and reliability.
So we need to focus on making larger production. For that, we need to
widen the target market.
Hi,
I would like to add production stories to the website. Also more info
about the companies that produces the prototypes so far would be nice.
There is nothing available about hardware[1] or involved companies what
I could put to the website.
Have there been any requests so far or do I need to
Hi kardan,
Am 24.09.2013 um 04:52 schrieb kardan:
Hi,
I would like to add production stories to the website. Also more info
about the companies that produces the prototypes so far would be nice.
There is nothing available about hardware[1] or involved companies what
I could put to the
On 2013-09-11 12:47, Ed Kapitein wrote:
On 09/11/2013 04:42 PM, Kim Vandry wrote:
Hello,
SNIP
Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[0.575000] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root
fs on unknown-block(0,0)
Qi claims to be setting the command line as follows:
Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
Von: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com
Datum: 11. September 2013 10:22:23 MESZ
An: OpenPhoenux Community commun...@openphoenux.org
Betreff: [Community] 5th OpenPhoenux HardSoftware Workshop in Munich, Germany
Antwort an: OpenPhoenux Community
Hello,
Cab you take some photos or videos of this event and post it on Internet ?
Thanks
Best regards
mparchet
Le 11 sept. 2013 à 10:25, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com a
écrit :
Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
Von: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com
Datum:
Am 11.09.2013 17:42, schrieb Parchet Michaël:
Hello,
Cab you take some photos or videos of this event and post it on Internet ?
Last year we used Google Hangouts On Air to provide a live stream and
video recordings:
https://plus.google.com/117725562890824574975
It would be great if
Il 11/09/2013 12:00, Lukas Märdian ha scritto:
Am 11.09.2013 17:42, schrieb Parchet Michaël:
Last year we used Google Hangouts On Air to provide a live stream and
video recordings:
https://plus.google.com/117725562890824574975
It would be great if something like this could be managed this
Hello,
(Apologies if this comes as a duplicate. The first version exceeded the
mailing list's message maximum size.)
I would like to upgrade a collection of GTA02s currently running kernel
2.6.29 (old!) and 2.6.34 to something newer.
I thought 3.5 would be a good choice: I heard that
On 09/11/2013 04:42 PM, Kim Vandry wrote:
Hello,
SNIP
Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[0.575000] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root
fs on unknown-block(0,0)
Qi claims to be setting the command line as follows:
loglevel=2 console=tty0
I'll reply to this now, even though the thread has been dormant for
a bit.
Quoth Michael Spacefalcon:
I see that after your post, the thread on the mailing list veered off
into a discussion of security. But that diversion totally misses the
point: it isn't so much about secure communication
Hi!
just as a short newsflash: we got 258 votes-of-interest and even 30 that are
willing to pay =700EUR for a Neo900 aka GTA04-NeoN board plus housing and
other needed parts.
Follow the hype at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142
cheers
jOERG
--
() ascii ribbon campaign - against
On Tuesday, September 03, 2013 11:51:50 AM joerg Reisenweber wrote:
Hi!
just as a short newsflash: we got 258 votes-of-interest and even 30 that
are willing to pay =700EUR for a Neo900 aka GTA04-NeoN board plus housing
and other needed parts.
Follow the hype at
Hi,
I took a break on my console to get you a little website draft. Please
let me know about your opinion. Corrections and any design feedback is
highly appreciated (especially the #order page is quite packed and
could make trouble at different screen sizes)
Am 02.09.2013 um 04:53 schrieb kardan kar...@riseup.net:
Hi,
I took a break on my console to get you a little website draft. Please
let me know about your opinion. Corrections and any design feedback is
highly appreciated (especially the #order page is quite packed and
could make trouble
Hi all,
I am one of those who bought a GTA04 out of both curiosity and a feeling of
contributing to a project that, I feel, is important in many aspects. I
have read many emails from the community but as you guys say, I have not
done much more than contributing financially. the reason being that
I would say, maemo fremantle is great.
if we could manage to make it free, i. e. rewrite it's non-free parts,
and make it available on more platforms, like nexus, it'll be great.
having free hardware in n900 case it good too.
but first of all let's get working free, indeed free maemo. not the
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM, arne anka wrote:
maemo isn't great
If I were using Maemo, I guess the biggest problem for me would be
security support, I wonder if there is any right now?
imo, the way to go would be to port all of maemo to debian thereby getting
Your wording isn't clear
On Wed 28 August 2013 10:33:47 Paul Wise wrote:
There is some info about how different Maemo (all versions) is from
Debian in these files:
http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.new
http://dex.alioth.debian.org/census/Maemo/sources.patches
Non-free maemo isn't redistributable.
There's must be free maemo version.
The existing version won't be possible to flash to gta-04 because it is
currently not possible to do that. It's different hardware.
Otherwise it won't be necessary to port SHR to n900, that's obvious.
So, in order to
On Wed 28 August 2013 22:21:18 Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
[...]
Also, I believe many apps like GPS apps which use liblocation won't
work, because liblocation is proprietary, and needs to be rewritten with
the same interface.
GolDeliCo won't ship the Neo900 with maemo pre-installed. We got (or
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:14 AM, joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote:
While rewriting blobs is a long term minor goal of CSSU [1], we won't do a
complete rewrite of every closed blob for Neo900 fremantle-port. Actually if
we did, we could use any arbitrary hardware ülatform and just
Am 26.08.2013 um 16:24 schrieb Tomas Nackaerts:
Hi all!
I actually think this is a great idea! I always liked the N900 formfactor.
But
is it technically possible? I remember somebody mention that the option modem
is quite big?
Yes, but it is the flattest one we could get. And from the
Am 26.08.2013 um 14:35 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
Hello!
Short introduction, as I was rather inactive in this community
recently: I'm dos, long time Openmoko supporter, owner of GTA02 and
(now broken) Nokia N900. Few years ago I was quite an active developer
of FSO (opimd) and SHR.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:46:12 +1000 NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:31:19 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Hm. That sounds quite different from the situation about 1 year ago when
you did the first releases of QtMoko and I always thought that
On Wed 28 August 2013 00:29:18 NeilBrown wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 09:46:12 +1000 NeilBrown ne...@suse.de wrote:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:31:19 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Hm. That sounds quite different from the situation about 1 year ago
when you did the
also check video bus. We know on GTA02 the display used iirc 20mA plus for a
black screen.
Oh and for the 1kR termination, just driving high a dataline that runs to an
unpowered chip will eat quite some current via clamp diodes from input pin to
0V-VDD, often even enough to power the chip ;-D
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller писал 2013-08-24 17:31:
For me GTA04 is not usable as daily phone. It's now collecting dust
in shelf.
Why?
1/ poor power management
2/ bugged reenumerating modem
GTA04 is good enough only in some situations. E.g. ok if i carry it
to work
where i can anytime charge
On Saturday, August 24, 2013 03:20:10 PM joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Sat 24 August 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak wrote:
1/ poor power management
[...]
something. But i always worked in userspace. I barely understand kernel
and i have no EE skills and equipment to contribute. I can
On Monday, August 26, 2013 01:17:09 PM Radek Polak wrote:
To give you a simple example: on N900 maemo you have scanning period in
settings-internet, which makes device scan for WLAN APs only every 5, 10,
... even 30 min. This is needed since the WLAN chip cuts thru the battery
in less
On Mon 26 August 2013 13:17:09 Radek Polak wrote:
On Saturday, August 24, 2013 03:20:10 PM joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Sat 24 August 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak wrote:
1/ poor power management
[...]
something. But i always worked in userspace. I barely understand kernel
and i
Hello!
Short introduction, as I was rather inactive in this community
recently: I'm dos, long time Openmoko supporter, owner of GTA02 and
(now broken) Nokia N900. Few years ago I was quite an active developer
of FSO (opimd) and SHR. Few days ago I've created website draft for
GTA04.
As we all
[cut]
What do you think?
Hello Dos,
I think it is great showcase how open projects can benefit from
synergy.
However I personally am not interested in HW keyboard and I will wait
until my present phone wears off, before I buy next device.
--
Patryk LeadMan Benderz
Linux
Hi all!
I actually think this is a great idea! I always liked the N900 formfactor. But
is it technically possible? I remember somebody mention that the option modem
is quite big? And if there will be a redesign the fit the gta04 to the n900
will it possible to update the specs a bit? faster
the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any
comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be
interested.
being interested does not necessarily translate into will buy, but at
least it would be worth to contemplate ...
On Mon 26 August 2013 21:47:08 arne anka wrote:
the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any
comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be
interested.
Oh? where did I say this? Been a communication error. Or a complete storage
dropout ;-) Sorry both
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 22:25:06 +0200, joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org
wrote:
On Mon 26 August 2013 21:47:08 arne anka wrote:
the most striking part of jörg's n900 idea seems not to attract any
comments -- he said, he'd know at least one company who would be
interested.
Oh? where did I
On Mon 26 August 2013 14:35:50 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote:
[...]
Joerg's idea includes full port of Maemo 5 (Fremantle) to allow N900
users to have drop-in upgrade - just like now GTA04 is for GTA01/02
owners. I think that can increase interest a lot!
Indeed I consider maemo fremantle
I would say, maemo fremantle is great.
if we could manage to make it free, i. e. rewrite it's non-free parts,
and make it available on more platforms, like nexus, it'll be great.
having free hardware in n900 case it good too.
but first of all let's get working free, indeed free maemo. not the
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:31:19 +0200 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Hm. That sounds quite different from the situation about 1 year ago when
you did the first releases of QtMoko and I always thought that the
3.7 kernel is working well enough, so that I started to add new
Hi everyone,
yes, we need to broaden the base. The more people know of this project,
the more likely it will be that units get ordered.
(Still) being an extreme niche product it is important to use contacts
that can be expected to be aware of the need for freedom of hard- and
software.
Am 25.08.2013 14:40, schrieb Adolf Winterer:
Therefore I suggest that once the web site is up and running contact is
made with organizations like FSFE [1], EFF [2], FoeBuD [3] or CCC [4].
Especially FSFE with their free your android campaign [5] are aware of
the openness issues. The idea
+1
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 01:15:34 +0200, Adrien Dorsaz adr...@adorsaz.ch
wrote:
Great job for your website !
I think, it could be good too to have a different page on GD shop for
the wish lists : https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04
The actual page has a lot of informations which
Hi Bob,
Am 24.08.2013 um 02:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 00:20 +0200, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
Can't you finally come up with some *suggestions* or - even
better - real actions that would help?
At present the community is beholden to a particular company which
produces
Am 24.08.2013 um 01:51 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
On the Road --- hns
Am 23.08.2013 um 22:45 schrieb Bob Ham r...@settrans.net:
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 17:30 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 15:45 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 09:56 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Why are you still a member of this community
I want freedom. I want a phone that runs 100% free software, including
any firmware for component devices and also including firmware running
on the baseband processor. I want the
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 09:56:46 +0200
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 um 01:51 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
On the Road --- hns
Am 23.08.2013 um 22:45 schrieb Bob Ham r...@settrans.net:
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 17:30 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 11:21 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 um 02:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
We have schematics in a .pdf file but nothing else.
Yes. And the PDF is the source.
I don't believe this is the case. I believe the PDF was compiled from
designs that came from
On Sat 24 August 2013 13:00:45 Bob Ham wrote:
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 09:56 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Why are you still a member of this community
I want freedom. I want a phone that runs 100% free software, including
any firmware for component devices and also including
On Friday, August 23, 2013 06:50:11 PM Lukas Märdian wrote:
Again, I'd like to out point to some website designs I did quite some
time ago, maybe for others to evaluate and improve upon:
GTA04 project page:
http://slyon.de/gta04/index.old.php
OpenPhoenux preorder/crowd-funding page:
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:36:42 +0200
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
If 200 people agree to put 599 EUR on the table we could start
production tomorrow (well, we need 6-8 weeks to get the components)
and 200 GTA04 boards would be available in November.
We could also order
On Friday, August 23, 2013 10:21:33 PM arne anka wrote:
the missing money is just the indicator for this project's failure to
create sufficient public interest or even awareness.
while the GTA01/2 was a nice idea, it was already slightly outdated when
it appeared -- and since then nothing has
Am 24.08.2013 um 12:57 schrieb kardan:
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 12:36:42 +0200
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote:
If 200 people agree to put 599 EUR on the table we could start
production tomorrow (well, we need 6-8 weeks to get the components)
and 200 GTA04 boards would be
Excuse me very much, I don't mean to offend anyone, I actually care
about project a lot.
I really appreciate the project and I would like to have a gta04 based device,
probably tablet. It's just too expensive for me now.
Recently I became a lucky owner of a freerunner, got one used, and
need
On Sat 24 August 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak wrote:
1/ poor power management
[...]
something. But i always worked in userspace. I barely understand kernel and
i have no EE skills and equipment to contribute. I can contribute only as
a tester. I thought that i will deliver working userspace and
Hi Radek,
Am 24.08.2013 um 14:22 schrieb Radek Polak:
On Friday, August 23, 2013 10:21:33 PM arne anka wrote:
the missing money is just the indicator for this project's failure to
create sufficient public interest or even awareness.
while the GTA01/2 was a nice idea, it was already
Am 24.08.2013 um 13:36 schrieb joerg Reisenweber:
On Sat 24 August 2013 13:00:45 Bob Ham wrote:
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 09:56 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Why are you still a member of this community
I want freedom. I want a phone that runs 100% free software, including
any
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 16:12 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
But start on the green field (yes, as prepared by Openmoko) as we
have done.
Why? Why do you want people to start on the green field rather than
building on your work?
--
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net
for (;;) { ++pancakes; }
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 11:26 +, Bob Ham wrote:
Even disregarding this reasoning, let's assume that it *is* just about
convenience. Why is that bad? Why would you not want to help people
take the GTA04 design and create a derivative? Why would you want to
make it more difficult?
I
Hello, community!
I'd like to start discussion about how we communicate our presence to
the external world. Recent threads showed that there's some need to
think about it.
I know this community consists rather of smart, technical geeks who
don't want to lower themselves into stinky marketing
Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/
Hi Sebastian,
just three words: This looks awesome!
I think About and Features should be linked to some overview
information/specs in the same page design, whereas
On Sat 24 August 2013 16:12:23 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
A word to Nikolaus: I'm a bit sad that you ignore the fact that openmoko
did share gerbers, PADS project files, BOM, whatever, on request. We
shared everything, sometimes under a NDA when we had to do that way.
Sorry, but I
Hi Sebastian,
Just a quick reply as I must dash.
Your draft design looks great, I really like it.
I'm not sure about the text about ethics of manufacturing - while it
is assembled in Germany, the components are sourced from factories
with potentially similar working conditions to other
Am 24.08.2013 um 13:26 schrieb Bob Ham:
There is a reason for stipulating this. Having to convert a work into a
format suitable for making modifications represents a barrier. It's a
barrier to freedom. It can be abused.
I don't understand that. The reason of open source is that you can
Am 24.08.2013 um 17:27 schrieb Bob Ham:
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 11:26 +, Bob Ham wrote:
Even disregarding this reasoning, let's assume that it *is* just about
convenience. Why is that bad? Why would you not want to help people
take the GTA04 design and create a derivative? Why would
On 2013-08-24 18:32, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 um 13:26 schrieb Bob Ham:
There is a reason for stipulating this. Having to convert a work
into a
format suitable for making modifications represents a barrier. It's
a
barrier to freedom. It can be abused.
I only see
On 2013-08-24 18:41, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 um 17:27 schrieb Bob Ham:
I would appreciate it if you would answer my questions about helping
others create derivatives of the GTA04.
I think i have done this several times (spread over several mails) in
the
past hours.
Am 24.08.2013 um 20:42 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-24 18:32, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 um 13:26 schrieb Bob Ham:
There is a reason for stipulating this. Having to convert a work into a
format suitable for making modifications represents a barrier. It's a
barrier to
Am 24.08.2013 um 20:49 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-24 18:41, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 um 17:27 schrieb Bob Ham:
I would appreciate it if you would answer my questions about helping
others create derivatives of the GTA04.
I think i have done this several times
Am 24.08.2013 um 18:11 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/
Wow, that looks good! Almost like a kickstarter project page :)
BR,
Nikolaus
On 2013-08-24 18:53, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Only your mother is giving you convenience for free...
I find GNU to be overflowing with convenience.
--
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net
for (;;) { ++pancakes; }
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On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 um 18:11 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
I've also created quick draft by myself: http://dosowisko.net/gta04/
Wow, that looks good! Almost like a
For the GTA04 adapter board you are already distributing the files
that Bob Ham is asking for (AFAICT - not an EE).
http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/42/
The adapter board license (CC-BY-SA) is more friendly than the GTA04
board license (CC-BY-NC-SA).
So I'm wondering about
Am 24.08.2013 um 22:08 schrieb Paul Wise:
For the GTA04 adapter board you are already distributing the files
that Bob Ham is asking for (AFAICT - not an EE).
http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/42/
The adapter board license (CC-BY-SA) is more friendly than the GTA04
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:22:55 +0200 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
And the reenumerating modem - i really dont understand why we havent tried
newer firmware. For me missed calls is quite serious problem.
I'm starting to think the the re-enumeration could be an omap-usb problem.
I
Am 24.08.2013 23:04, schrieb NeilBrown:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
And the reenumerating modem - i really dont understand why we havent
tried newer firmware. For me missed calls is quite serious problem.
I'm starting to think the the re-enumeration could
Am 24.08.2013 21:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 um 18:11 schrieb Lukas Märdian:
Am 24.08.2013 17:36, schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak:
I've also created quick draft by myself:
Great job for your website !
I think, it could be good too to have a different page on GD shop for
the wish lists : https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04
The actual page has a lot of informations which can be found in the
GTA04 documentation already pointed by the new website proposal.
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 23:24:29 +0200 Lukas Märdian l...@slyon.de wrote:
Am 24.08.2013 23:04, schrieb NeilBrown:
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:22:55 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote:
And the reenumerating modem - i really dont understand why we havent
tried newer firmware. For me missed calls is
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
the GTA04 is a ready-to-use OpenSource smartphone.
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale. It *could* be
the motherboard in a ready-to-use smartphone but it *isn't*.
There are no other
reasons why it isnt available, just
joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote:
I invite you to visit me at my home
If you meant it seriously, you might as well give your address or GPS
coords (by unicast if you prefer) - but I highly doubt that you meant
it seriously.
trying to force me to hand to you
Hand to me? What me?
On Fri 23 August 2013 10:35:38 Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
the GTA04 is a ready-to-use OpenSource smartphone.
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale.
Says who?
It *could* be
the motherboard in a ready-to-use smartphone but it *isn't*.
On 2013-08-23 09:38, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Fri 23 August 2013 10:35:38 Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale.
Says who?
Says Golden Delicious:
Note: we currently have no stock since we need to
On 2013-08-23 10:02, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
Its not out of Production, but production is stopped
Err..
What's the difference between out of Production and production is
stopped?
--
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net
for (;;) { ++pancakes; }
___
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:08 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 09:38, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Fri 23 August 2013 10:35:38 Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale.
Says who?
Says Golden Delicious:
Note: we
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:02, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
Its not out of Production, but production is stopped
Err..
What's the difference between out of Production and production is stopped?
Compare with a train:
stopped: is at the railway station and
On 2013-08-23 10:38, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
What's the difference between out of Production and production is
stopped?
Compare with a train:
stopped: is at the railway station and waiting for a green light
I don't understand. What is the
El día Friday, August 23, 2013 a las 10:10:58AM +, Bob Ham escribió:
stopped?
Concerning stop, can we please stop this SPAM? If you (Bob) have a
proposal, how to continue, put it on the table and let's discuss this.
Thanks
matthias
--
Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the GTA04?
That was already mentioned; money for components being available.
--
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pabs
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On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:47:14AM +, Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 10:38, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
What's the difference between out of Production and production is
stopped?
Compare with a train:
stopped: is at the railway station and
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:47 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:38, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
What's the difference between out of Production and production is
stopped?
Compare with a train:
stopped: is at the railway station and waiting for a
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the
GTA04?
That was already mentioned; money for components being available.
The fact that there is *no* money was mentioned. Here you seem
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the GTA04?
That was already mentioned; money for components being available.
The fact that there
Your free phone idea appeals to me enormously, Michael. And I,
(unlike I suspect some others on the list) very much like your
framing of the issues, too. I fully support the idea that if a law
makes private conversation illegal, it is a bad law, and regulatory
blocks on GSM that forbid
Nick, you raised very good questions.
I believe, that we don't need GSM at all. I don't use it for two years
now.
When we use GSM we use carrier services. Can we be sure that carrier does
not track us, don't record our calls etc?
For instance, in my country secret service has direct access to
However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway?
IMHO the need for the GSM stack being open sourced is largely overestimated.
Security experts say that the question is how to secure communication over an
unsecure communication medium.
Depending on which level you want to
Security experts have moved on from that line of thinking long ago I
think. The problem with it is that a GSM/3G/LTE modem is not just a
communications channel. It is a generic processor running software.
Probably buggy, insecure, proprietary software. Same goes for GPS,
WiFi, Ethernet and other
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the
GTA04?
That was already mentioned; money for
Am 23.08.2013 14:41, schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway?
IMHO the need for the GSM stack being open sourced is largely overestimated.
Security experts say that the question is how to secure communication over an
unsecure
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:45:20 +
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the
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