Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-04 Thread Urivan Saaib
Nick, Ah! I understand you view now. I was thinking more on the platform that could anyone deploy their our metadata service (open source) and have a client application that can be customized by the user and select which metadata server to contact. The metadata server that will be contacted by

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Mathias Rüdiger
No excuses left Nick. Seems that you have to write a wefi clone :) Mathias Mikko Rauhala schrieb: ma, 2007-07-02 kello 22:31 +1200, Nick Johnson kirjoitti: NZ has GPRS, but my understanding was that the AGPS requires the network to explicitly support it to get the assist data - that's

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/3/07, Mathias Rüdiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No excuses left Nick. Seems that you have to write a wefi clone :) Looks like it. ;) Actually, I was thinking something more OpenMoko specific - a sort of enhanced PIM that lets you store locations and contacts (and contacts with locations)

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/3/07, Urivan Saaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, I was thinking of something ala DNS, where the application can discover pieces of metadata associated to real-world items (you name it) categorized in a standard an open way. Users could add/edit/remove their own choices to customize what

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Urivan Saaib
Nick, I noticed the freebase.com website requires invitation, do you have access to it? Also, the license of the service is free for non-commercial only, do you have any considerations in this topic? How will this affect the adoption of new developments? Also, custom metadata repositories and

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread ewanm89
Um, advanced hide and seek, your getting warmer... hot, hot, colder... On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 11:40:50 +0100 Urivan Saaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick, I was thinking of something ala DNS, where the application can discover pieces of metadata associated to real-world items (you name it)

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Niels L. Ellegaard
Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The other idea for a 'killer mobile gps app' that occurred to me is some sort of dynamic-flash-mob system, where you can express interest in various activities, and it'll detect whenever a 'critical mass' of people for a given activity are close enough

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread David Pottage
On Tue, July 3, 2007 2:33 pm, Niels L. Ellegaard wrote: On a related note I think that Slashdot once had a story about a (bluetooth based??) Japanese dating gadget that worked in a similar fashion. They had to buy the gadget, encode their preferences, and then wait for the unexpected buzz of

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/3/07, Urivan Saaib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed the freebase.com website requires invitation, do you have access to it? Also, the license of the service is free for non-commercial only, do you have any considerations in this topic? How will this affect the adoption of new

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-03 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/4/07, Niels L. Ellegaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds like great fun. Do you plan to introduce a central server and use a critical radius of a kilometer, or do you want to use wifi. I guess that wifi requires a fairly large userbase. Is it possible to design a system that worked

RE: Advertising/hype

2007-07-02 Thread Stuart Gray
http://www.wefi.com/ seems to be along that lines, the software they are using seems to be windows only at the moment though :(. But maybe somebody could write and open source one that still has access to the Google Wifi Mappage that works with the Neos GPS. Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:07:28

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-02 Thread Frank Coenen
Somehow I don't think that 'the OS/ browser/ app that you built' will excite anyone except linux-guru's. ;-) (it would scare me away...) Take a look at some of the N95 vs iPhone spoofs on youtube. Some of them are really good: Battery replacement:

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-02 Thread Florent THIERY
iPhone: Damnit, lost my connection! Why do people think that AJAX apps are necessarly remote ? They can be local and drive internal components (such as a gsmd for contacts/calling/messaging), do people really think that you'd have to connect the Internet to write kitchen receipes ?

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-02 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 02 July 2007 11:02, Nick Johnson wrote: snip I would do it myself, but from what I hear, the AGPS chip in the Neo isn't even going to work on NZ's cellular network. Pity. :/ What gives you that idea? It can operate as a GPS without needing anything from the operator. It can use a bit

GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-02 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ma, 2007-07-02 kello 22:02 +1200, Nick Johnson kirjoitti: I would do it myself, but from what I hear, the AGPS chip in the Neo isn't even going to work on NZ's cellular network. Pity. :/ Umm, the GPS chip and driver don't rely on the cellular network to function. They can work completely

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-02 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/2/07, Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 02 July 2007 11:02, Nick Johnson wrote: snip I would do it myself, but from what I hear, the AGPS chip in the Neo isn't even going to work on NZ's cellular network. Pity. :/ What gives you that idea? It can operate as a GPS without

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-02 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/2/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm, the GPS chip and driver don't rely on the cellular network to function. They can work completely stand-alone. You can get a quicker cold fix if the driver can fetch some assist data from the network (what, NZ don't have GPRS?), but this

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-02 Thread Robin Paulson
someone has built an offline calendar/reminder tool called Remember The Milk: http://www.rememberthemilk.com/ it's built on google gears - all the data and application is run locally and re-synchronises on an internet connection appearing On 7/2/07, Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-02 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 02 July 2007 12:31:00 Nick Johnson wrote: certainly what everything I've read has indicated. I thought it was also required to get a fix at all - that the AGPS chip offloads some of the harder work onto the network, as that's what a workmate told me - but if he's wrong, I'm glad. ;)

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-02 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/2/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: someone has built an offline calendar/reminder tool called Remember The Milk: http://www.rememberthemilk.com/ it's built on google gears - all the data and application is run locally and re-synchronises on an internet connection appearing Yes,

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

2007-07-02 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ma, 2007-07-02 kello 22:31 +1200, Nick Johnson kirjoitti: NZ has GPRS, but my understanding was that the AGPS requires the network to explicitly support it to get the assist data - that's certainly what everything I've read has indicated. I thought it was also required to get a fix at all -

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Edwin Lock
I think youtube is a very good means to spread some adverts.. Why not try it that way? A lot of people/products have been promoted that way :) Edwin Lock ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Sun, 2007-07-01 at 16:51 +0200, Frederic Kettelhoit wrote: I also really like the script! Sounds great. The idea of some ads for the openmoko is great. The question is, whether there is someone who will pay that. FIC? Or do you want to show them on youtube and other free platforms only?

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Ryan Prior
Cool idea. I think we should get the press machine turning on the inside, and then set it loose when the Phase 2 is released and ready for prime time. On 7/1/07, Nick Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which brings me to a sudden (though premature) thought I had. I read one or two other posts

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread ewanm89
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:59:27 -0500 Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cool idea. I think we should get the press machine turning on the inside, and then set it loose when the Phase 2 is released and ready for prime time. I like the idea of net-distributed ads targeted at programmers. These

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Nick Johnson
This puts me in mind of this is the house that jack built: This is the phone that you built. This is the OS running on the phone that you built. This is the browser running on the OS on the phone that you built... Not sure if that's what you were referring to, as I haven't seen the ads in

RE: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Dean Collins
Bzzz lets not get too carried away - are the Neo's going to have te gps locations of every cinema globally - nope then lets get realistic about what it can and cant do. Nothing kills a product like overhypeor has someone written code for a Neo to make me Eggs Benedict in the mornings?

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Ian Darwin
Frederic Kettelhoit wrote: Annother possible scenario: Neo: Hi, I'm an Neo. iPhone: And I'm an iPhone. * iPhone looks on a big map and tries to orientate himself Neo: What are you doing? iPhone: I try to locate myself by using Google Maps. Neo: Oh, that doesn't seem to be very exciting. I use

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Nick Johnson
On 7/2/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic about what it can and cant do. As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest data like that isn't

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Frederic Kettelhoit
That was exactly the example one of the german developer used to explain the gps in a german podcast (I think it was Harald Welte in conversation with Chaos Radio). The idea is, that you save some points and adds information what to do there. So, a few meters around the cinema, the Neo switchtes

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
Nick Johnson wrote: On 7/2/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bzzz lets not get too carried away – are the Neo's going to have te gps locations of every cinema globally – nope then lets get realistic about what it can and cant do. As someone working in GIS - getting Point Of Interest

Re: Advertising/hype

2007-07-01 Thread Dylan McCall
Kind of OT, but on the GPS thought... one thing it could do is map WiFi hotspots to GPS coordinates automatically as you walk / drive around. That way, for example, you could solve that problem of not being able to easily find WiFi hotspots (which is the big thing against WiFi right now), since