Re: New Oceans

2007-07-12 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Ben wrote: On 7/1/07, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For phase 1 the shipping costs might be a bit high. Perhaps something like US$40 for Australia. For phase 2 we're hoping to get more local distributors. My

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-12 Thread Denis Kot
what about Hong Kong? shipping cost is about 75$, but I'm sure it's more closer to Taiwan than US ;) 2007/7/10, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Jul 9, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Ben wrote: On 7/1/07, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For phase

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-09 Thread Ben
On 7/1/07, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For phase 1 the shipping costs might be a bit high. Perhaps something like US$40 for Australia. For phase 2 we're hoping to get more local distributors. My shipping options are US$81 or US$87 for

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-03 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, On Monday 02 July 2007 20:17:55 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: If FIC does manage to get Ingram Micro or some other large distributor to carry the Neo, I would expect to start to seeing a street price much closer $300. I would like to see the Neo Advanced closer to $300. I am not familiar

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-02 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
I calculated the costs for germany. Think the shipping will be at about USD 20. ($300+$20)/1.34*1.19 = € 285 1.34 is relation dollar-euro, 1.19 the 19% Import-VAT in germany. Mobile phones do not have taxes in the EU. 2007/7/2, Attila Csipa [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Starting July 9th, we will

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-02 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
If I read the announcement of Sean correctly, * only the GTA1 device will be 300 US$ and will be shipped directly from Taiwan. * the GTA2 devices will have local distributors and will cost 450 US$. Secondly, a distributor has to handle warranty and marketing, answer phone calls, do

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-02 Thread Attila Csipa
On Monday 02 July 2007 10:16, you wrote: This usually adds *** at least 10% ***. Therefore I would even prepare for 499 EUR and we all can be happy if it is less and not more. Not sure how much of the named costs the distributor actually needs to do (I don't think he will have support on all

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-02 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
I think you are right with the distributor-problematic. Maybe the devices will get cheaper when there's a bigger amount of orders. Imho €500 is very much money, but if I had to pay this for a free, not as in free beer, device - well, I had to pay it. ;) Also I think that distributors will get the

Re: [openmoko-announce] Re: New Oceans

2007-07-02 Thread Justin Mazzi
How much bandwidth is needed? Do you have a system in place for selling the phone online? On Jul 1, 2007, at 12:14 AM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Ian Stirling wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: snip We've had a particularly challenging time trying to setup the online

Re: [openmoko-announce] Re: New Oceans

2007-07-02 Thread Fred Leeflang
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Ian Stirling wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: snip We've had a particularly challenging time trying to setup the online infrastructure and figure out how to ship these phones. Sometime later today or early tomorrow we're going to make

Re: [openmoko-announce] Re: New Oceans

2007-07-02 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
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Re: New Oceans

2007-07-02 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Also I think that distributors will get the devices cheaper, maybe at $400 or $350. So the chances to get the device for 450 or less on the free market are high. My guess is that the only difference between the phase 1 and 2 pricing is the inclusion of the distributor's share in the phase 2

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-01 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Pranav Desai wrote: On 6/30/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted?

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-01 Thread Ben
Sean sent his reply to me, since I first sent my comment to him just by accident, damn Gmail. Here is his response for you all to see: On Jun 28, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Ben wrote: On 6/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're going to sell the Neo Base for $300. The Neo Advanced will

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-01 Thread Attila Csipa
Starting July 9th, we will launch openmoko.com and start taking orders. There was talk about an European distributor. Will that be a coordinated effort and start taking orders on that day too ? Also, it would be good to get a confirmation on the Euro prices ( = USD+taxes/duties/shipping/etc)

Re: New Oceans

2007-07-01 Thread Pranav Desai
On 6/30/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Pranav Desai wrote: On 6/30/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Jun 29, 2007, at 7:51 AM, Clayton Jones wrote: I've been avidly scanning all posts and web sites for months and have been keeping quiet in order to keep chatter down and not clog people's in-boxes... But this is such great news i have to respond to encourage Sean, the OpenMoko and FIC

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Jun 29, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Myk Melez wrote: Congrats on the new company. It's great news, as is word that the phone will be available in a scant two weeks. Thanks! Presumably the software will be advancing rapidly between July 9 and October, when the GTA02 comes out. What's the

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-30 Thread michael
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Ian Darwin wrote: I personally would also like to see Motherboard alone - $150 GPS antenna - $20 Internal subframe - $20 This is both for cases where you damage your neo in some manner that is clearly not covered by any warranty, and for the cases where you

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Jul 1, 2007, at 12:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2007, Ian Darwin wrote: I personally would also like to see Motherboard alone - $150 GPS antenna - $20 Internal subframe - $20 This is both for cases where you damage your neo in some manner that is clearly not

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-30 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware types are discussing various gadgets that

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-30 Thread Pranav Desai
On 6/30/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add replacement touchscreen as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Ian Stirling wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: snip We've had a particularly challenging time trying to setup the online infrastructure and figure out how to ship these phones. Sometime later today or early tomorrow we're going to make another announcement asking

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-29 Thread Gergely Kis
Dear Sean Everyone @ OpenMoko, Congratulations to you all for the great progress. I also would like to throw in a slightly technical question: I plan to buy the Advanced version of the GTA01 to get the debug board. Will it be possible to use this same debug board with the GTA02, so one only has

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-29 Thread Rodolphe Ortalo
Le jeudi 28 juin 2007 à 05:31 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : Dear Community, Andre Gide once said, Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore. [...] OK, straight right into the sea then captain. From what I understood of 2nd officer Harald, that

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-29 Thread ewanm89
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:04:36 +0200 Rodolphe Ortalo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le jeudi 28 juin 2007 à 05:31 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : Dear Community, Andre Gide once said, Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore. [...] OK, straight

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-29 Thread Ian Stirling
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: snip We've had a particularly challenging time trying to setup the online infrastructure and figure out how to ship these phones. Sometime later today or early tomorrow we're going to make another announcement asking for some advice. Leaping in before being asked, and

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-29 Thread ewanm89
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:05:21 +0100 Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: snip We've had a particularly challenging time trying to setup the online infrastructure and figure out how to ship these phones. Sometime later today or early tomorrow we're going to make

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Jun 28, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Jeff Andros wrote: Anyways, that news (openmoko.com) was really worth the wait. Despite some of the grumblers on the list, there are plenty of us who understand how development goes, and how Mr. Murphy always seems to be doing backflips through your project.

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-29 Thread denis
I'd also like to say thank you! Thank you for all the hard work you've done. I'm really looking forward getting my first open phone soon. Regards, Denis ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-28 Thread Emre Turkay
First of all congratulations to the FIC team. Can someone enlighten us about which configuration (base/advanced) should one order? What is the use of the debug board? What cannot I do without it? Shall I be able to use it with GTA02 and later versions? Thanks, Emre On 6/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-28 Thread Jeff Andros
On 6/27/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Community, snip Starting July 9th, we will launch openmoko.com and start taking orders. We're going to have two configurations: Wouldn't you know it... just as I broke down and installed the emulator (I really wanted to wait

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-28 Thread Ben
On 6/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're going to sell the Neo Base for $300. The Neo Advanced will be $450. Will the debug kit etc. for GTA01B_v4 be compatible with GTA02? How about any future devices. I heard the GTA02 will have a better battery, but can the GTA01B_v4

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-28 Thread Ortwin Regel
750$ minus what I get for the first one used... (If I can bring myself to selling it...) That's less than a third of the iPhone! B) It'll be a great ride. Just like in the old Tapwave Zodiac times... (Anyone else made it over from there to here?) Ortwin On 6/27/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-28 Thread Ian Stirling
Emre Turkay wrote: First of all congratulations to the FIC team. Can someone enlighten us about which configuration (base/advanced) should one order? What is the use of the debug board? What cannot I do without it? Shall I be able to use it with GTA02 and later versions? Basically the only

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-28 Thread ewanm89
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:10:11 +0530 Sudharshan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fantastic news, Thank you sean for the long announcement, I tell ya for all the wait, it was worth it. Now am gonna take a large printout of the announcement and paste it outside my room to inspire my parents to increase

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-28 Thread roberto previdi
Do you plan to sell the advanced part even separately? I mean could i buy the base version and buy the advanced extras later? roberto previdi - Original Message From: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-28 Thread Clayton Jones
Fantastic News! I've been avidly scanning all posts and web sites for months and have been keeping quiet in order to keep chatter down and not clog people's in-boxes... But this is such great news i have to respond to encourage Sean, the OpenMoko and FIC teams for all their hard work and

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-28 Thread Myk Melez
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Starting July 9th, we will launch openmoko.com and start taking orders. We're going to have two configurations: Neo Base -- everything the mobile application developer needs to enjoy the benefits of the first freed phone, the Neo 1973: ... Neo Advanced -- everything

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-27 Thread mcl
Outstanding news. Thanks again to you and the rest of the team for your vision, judgement, and determination. Full speed ahead into the new waters! :-) Mark C. On Thu, Jun 28, 2007 at 09:20:13AM +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, Andre Gide once said, Man cannot discover new

Re: New Oceans

2007-06-27 Thread Sudharshan S
Fantastic news, Thank you sean for the long announcement, I tell ya for all the wait, it was worth it. Now am gonna take a large printout of the announcement and paste it outside my room to inspire my parents to increase my allowance. :P Onto World domination! Regards Sudharshan S