Re: [SHR] first total usable image

2009-02-03 Thread Ivan Shirokoff
Steffen Winkler пишет:
 Three days ago, I installed the actual SHR onto my freerunner (testing
 or unstable...I think it was the unstable image, but not sure) and
 today, I can only say one thing: It's the best image I've ever seen!
   
Nice to hear this.
I've flashed SHR recently too. But occasionaly I've swiched my theme to 
absolutly unusible default one.
And now I just can't switch back. I've looked through the configs in 
~/.e/e/config and all of them are some kind of compiled data.
I say does anyone know how can I change illume theme from console?

 GPS works! (needs 20 minutes for first fix: first killall fso-gpsd, then
 power on the gps device echo 1
   
 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.7/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron
 
 then type cat /dev/ttySAC1 and wait, still you see some numbers or
 characters between all commas in a GPS message (ignore those
 unknown ... messages) when that happens, type ctrl +c to kill the cat
 output and start fso-gpsd. Now open tangoGPS and wait some seconds and
 you can see where you are.

 GPRS works! Simple follow the fso gprs manual in the wiki

 Voice quality is better than the voice quality on most normal handys
 for me.

 Now I only need bluetooth and a good audio player (the pythm doesn't
 play .ogg files well...only I make a bad quality ogg file...)
   
 

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Re: Google analytic records of January

2009-02-03 Thread Daniel Spies
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:53:37 +0800, Brenda Wang brenda_w...@openmoko.com
wrote:
 Dear list:
 I update the Google analytic records of wiki last month.
 
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wiki_statistic_numbers
 
 Application page, Android, Distribution pages still the most popular
 page of Wiki.
 
 
 Feel free to let me know , if any kind of number you want .I can export
and
 update it on wiki.
 
 
 Regards 
 
 Brenda
 

Amazing that there are more hits from Germany than from the US. (I'm from
Germany too)
But I for one am using noScript, and google-analytics.com is untrusted...
So as always this is not 100% reliable.

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread c_c

Hi,

Stefan Schmidt wrote:
 
 No more words from our side. Grab it while it's hot, have fun and happy
 hacking.
 
 http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5/
 
Well, the openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz and
openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz images
both boot and drop me into tty1 console. Cant get X to run on these. No
busybox either.
  Any pointers ?
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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Michele Renda
On 03/02/2009 09:21, c_c wrote:
 Well, the openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz and
 openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz images
 both boot and drop me into tty1 console. Cant get X to run on these. No
 busybox either.
Any pointers ?

It is not a bug, it is a feature! It is the result of the back to 
basic project :)

Ok, sorry for the joke, but it was too strong :)


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Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4

2009-02-03 Thread Michael Tansella
 This is reminding me of a problem we have with level interrupts on
 pcf50633 new driver, we also get twice the same interrupt there although
 the density of interrupts is so low and logically it cannot get confused
 so it doesn't make trouble.

 We also changed lis302dl to use level interrupts so it's suspicious now
 we see this behaviour that is so similar.

 -Andy

Thanks,
Is somebody working on this or should I write a bug report? If yes where?
Can I use any  other Kernel with FSO Milestone 5 which doesn't suffer from this 
problem ? I want to update my system but I need proper working accels.

Greets
Michael 

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Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4

2009-02-03 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| This is reminding me of a problem we have with level interrupts on
| pcf50633 new driver, we also get twice the same interrupt there although
| the density of interrupts is so low and logically it cannot get confused
| so it doesn't make trouble.
|
| We also changed lis302dl to use level interrupts so it's suspicious now
| we see this behaviour that is so similar.
|
| -Andy
|
| Thanks,
| Is somebody working on this or should I write a bug report? If yes where?
| Can I use any  other Kernel with FSO Milestone 5 which doesn't suffer
from this
| problem ? I want to update my system but I need proper working accels.

Send a bug report in Trac about it.

There is a quick workaround for this that can be done I believe.

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Re: Kustomizer for 2008.12

2009-02-03 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Thanks for all the suggestions and comments you've sent me via the
list  private emails. I'll try to do some changes here and there, you
can see the devel version at
http://kurppa.fi/freerunner/kustomizer_devel

Just to let you know, there's something wrong with the GPS at the
moment, it doesn't connect to the network at all so it can't be used
as a phone.

I tried kustomizer without the GPRS, gsm0710mux and changes to
89qtopia (see the devel version) with no success. Will have a better
look on it later - if you have any ideas what might cause this or how
to find out the reason, let me know.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kustomizer

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Re: Wiki page - which file system in sd card?

2009-02-03 Thread arne anka
 done on the FR.  Therefore, I'll edit the page with opinions are
 divided regarding reliability and no objective comparisons yet for
 other criteria.

 It'd be much easier to just punt on the whole issue and say same rules
 apply as for any other Linux system.

party pooper.

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Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4

2009-02-03 Thread Michael Tansella
 Send a bug report in Trac about it.

 There is a quick workaround for this that can be done I believe.

 -Andy

Thank You very much

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Re: [Report] - Buzz fix

2009-02-03 Thread arne anka
 is this: if People send in phones the first thing one wants to do is
 test whether the phone in question actually has a buzz and how bad the
 buzz is. We need to develop a robust test for that. Then the SOP would


with the included headset and the gsmheadset.state i get a very strong  
buzz myself when calling eg my voice box.
is that in some way related or even the same buzz?
then it would be easy to check.

btw: what exactly means SOP?

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Petr Vanek
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:28:17 +0100
Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com (MR) wrote:

On 03/02/2009 09:21, c_c wrote:
 Well, the
 openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz and
 openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
 images both boot and drop me into tty1 console. Cant get X to run on
 these. No busybox either. Any pointers ?

It is not a bug, it is a feature! It is the result of the back to 
basic project :)

this happens only with qi. could it be related to ro kernel
parameter?

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Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4

2009-02-03 Thread Simon Kagstrom
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:53:15 +0100
Michael Tansella michael-tanse...@gmx.de wrote:

  There is a quick workaround for this that can be done I believe.
 
 Any hint where I can find this workaround, then I'll post it to the
 wiki?

The fix should now be in the latest andy-tracking kernel:

  http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=andy-tracking

It has been discussed on the kernel list as well, and for at least one
of the patches I'm not sure if it's the right way to go. Anyway: For
your purposes I think the current andy-tracking branch will work very
well.

// Simon

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote:

 this happens only with qi. could it be related to ro kernel
 parameter?

I've just tried the image on my SD card (no qi, then, I guess), and if
fails all the same.

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Re: High Resolution freerunner photos

2009-02-03 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz


Mickael Labrousse wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Where can I found some HiRes photos of the freerunner ?
 I've already download the press photos.

Mickael

Let me know if this works for you:

   http://www.openmoko.com/press-press-material.html

Good luck!

  -Sean


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RE: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread KaZeR
 

 -Message d'origine-
 De : community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org 
 [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] De la part de 
 Olivier Migeot
 Envoyé : mardi 3 février 2009 11:58
 À : List for Openmoko community discussion
 Objet : Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All 
 Stations' Release
 
 On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote:
 
  this happens only with qi. could it be related to ro kernel 
 parameter?
 
 I've just tried the image on my SD card (no qi, then, I 
 guess), and if fails all the same.
 

Why that? Qi boots from uSD card first by default.


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Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-03 Thread Lee Khan-Bourne
Hi,

I should be able to make that too.  I'll look for the crowd standing  
by the door trying to get a GPS fix.

What time BTW?

Lee


On 1 Feb 2009, at 23:30, Gothnet wrote:


 Hello all,

 So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still  
 having a pub
 meet on the 11th?

 I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of  
 England
 on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily  
 close to
 work :)

 So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about  
 the state
 of the world/phone?

 I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name  
 kinda
 stuck.
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Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4

2009-02-03 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
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|
| Any hint where I can find this workaround, then I'll post it to the wiki?

I'm just adding some patches and doing some cleaning on it, I'll update
the moredrivers kernels at http://people.openmoko.org/andy when I
checked we didn't break the threshold stuff.

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Re: [Report] - Buzz fix

2009-02-03 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 03 February 2009, arne anka wrote:
 btw: what exactly means SOP?

Standard Operating Procedure

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Milestone V blkid installation prob

2009-02-03 Thread qhaz

Hi, does anyone else get this error message when udate/upgrade on milestone 5
installation?

Upgrading busybox on root from 1.13.2-r5 to 1.13.2-r9...
Downloading
http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-milestone5/feeds//armv4t/busybox_1.13.2-r9_armv4t.ipk
Collected errors:
 * Package busybox wants to install file /sbin/blkid
But that file is already provided by package  * e2fsprogs-blkid


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Re: MyPaint 0.6

2009-02-03 Thread Konstantin
Michele Renda schrieb:
 On 02/02/2009 23:05, Joachim Breitner wrote:
 these look as if the FreeRunner’s touch screen actually gives pressure
 input to the application. Is that really the case?

 I read from [1] it support pressure input and on some tables it run.
 But I don't know if really FR is able to give pressure indication to 
 MyPaint.

I highly doubt that the fr is able to do that - the graphics tablets I know rely
on a stylus with a special tip with suspension to achieve different pressure
levels, so I don't think it is possible with a normal resistive touchscreen.

 [1] http://mypaint.intilinux.com/
 
 Regards
 Michele Renda

Regards,
Konstantin

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[Om2008.x] UMTS based on USB adapter

2009-02-03 Thread Matthias Apitz

Hello,

Is anybody using UMTS connections with the FR based on USB connected
modem devices like the USB HSDPA Huawei E220 one? Any other ideas as
devices? Thx

matthias
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Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-03 Thread gnublade
7.30 (!?) I'm in and will probably bring some other interested parties with me.



2009/2/3 Lee Khan-Bourne l...@quru.com:
 Hi,

 I should be able to make that too.  I'll look for the crowd standing
 by the door trying to get a GPS fix.

 What time BTW?

 Lee


 On 1 Feb 2009, at 23:30, Gothnet wrote:


 Hello all,

 So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still
 having a pub
 meet on the 11th?

 I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of
 England
 on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily
 close to
 work :)

 So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about
 the state
 of the world/phone?

 I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name
 kinda
 stuck.
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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote:

 Why that? Qi boots from uSD card first by default.

Yeah, but I never flashed my bootloader, so I'd like to know where Qi
would come from, then.

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Nicola Mfb
2009/2/3 Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz

 On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:28:17 +0100
 Michele Renda michele.re...@gmail.com (MR) wrote:

 On 03/02/2009 09:21, c_c wrote:
  Well, the
  openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz and
  openmoko-fso-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20090202-om-gta02.rootfs.tar.gz
  images both boot and drop me into tty1 console. Cant get X to run on
  these. No busybox either. Any pointers ?
 
 It is not a bug, it is a feature! It is the result of the back to
 basic project :)

 this happens only with qi. could it be related to ro kernel
 parameter?


Yes! I had to reconfigure uboot to remove ro and add rootdelay=5 to wait
for mmcblk detection on 2.6.28 kernel.

This fixed the same problem with the last shr unstable image... as they have
the same father :)))

 Nicola
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[paroli] Paroli says: Hello World

2009-02-03 Thread Mirko Lindner
Hi,

Just in time with FSO’s Milestone 5 we are releasing our first tutorial.

It outlines how to create a simple app, write a simple service and do 
some basic interaction with edje.

read more at:

http://www.paroli-project.org/2009/02/03/paroli-says-hello-world/

/mirko

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Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread Valery Febvre
Hi,

A new release of Neon is available.

This is a major feature enhancements release.

Changes since 0.9.5.1:

* Images can be now auto-rotated by images dimensions (not by EXIF
data).
In other words, image is rotated if image's orientation is landscape.
A new command line option (-r, --auto-rotate) has been added to
enable/disable this new feature.

* Added timers to auto-hide image viewer navbar and toolbar.
A new command line option -d (--bars-disappear-delay) has been added to
adjust auto-hide delay of this new feature (disabled by default).
This feature is disabled if delay is 0.

* Added the index of the image, the total number of images and the
image's size in addition of the image's name in the image viewer.

* Added a slideshow functionnality.
A new command line option -s (--slideshow-delay) has been added to
adjust the interval (default 4 sec.).

* Added images properties: dimension, size, EXIF metadata, ...

* Added a new theme 'Black  White'.
A new command line option -t (--theme) has been added to choice the
theme to used.

As usual you can get it at:
http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=239

BEWARE:
If your system uses Python 2.6 (not 2.5) like SHR unstable, you must
install alternative package neon_0.9.6-r0_all_py2.6.ipk

Links:
Project Homepage: http://neon.projects.openmoko.org/
Wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neon

Have fun,
Valéry

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Re: [Om2008.x] UMTS based on USB adapter

2009-02-03 Thread DJDAS
Matthias Apitz ha scritto:
 Hello,

 Is anybody using UMTS connections with the FR based on USB connected
 modem devices like the USB HSDPA Huawei E220 one? Any other ideas as
 devices? Thx

   matthias
   
Yes, I do and it works pretty well (not considering battery drain ;) )
You can find some informations here [1]. I'm sorry they're in Italian as 
they're some little guidelines to achieve HSDPA connection given to a 
forum user, I hadn't time yet to put up a how-to, but just following the 
scripts and using an automatic translator should help you. :)
P.S. where you see FDTF consider it a distro built onto an FDOM version 
of September  with some customizations (themes, some progs and Italian 
keyboards) so consider it an FDOM ;)
Have fun!
Bye!

[1] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,1035.msg10579.html#msg10579

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microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Peter Nijs
I've just read a (Dutch) news article 
(http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en-pc-
patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the article 
is a link to an English description of the patent. 
(http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=2009012344A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US)

The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external 
devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I think 
Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have already 
been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless devices (such as 
mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure someone suggested 
hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible, but it's 
been thought of. Integrating the wired connection between FR and the external 
devices has also been thought of earlier in this list.

I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of January, I 
think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of prior art 
involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple are 
eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please don't steal 
our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.)

mvg,
depeje


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Re: Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread Petr Vanek

A new release of Neon is available.

really cool! thank you.

i would suggest two features: 

- preload of the next image

- gestures (:


Petr



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Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-03 Thread Jan Henkins
Hi,

7:30 is good, OBoE sounds splendid! See y'all there! First person to be
there, please hog a nicely sized table, and display something vaguely
Moko-ish/Linux-ish/Computer-ish (Linux Format mag or anything siilarly
geeky) on the table for others to spot. It's a nice trick shown to me by
some greybeards heavily into the online-community thing.


On Tue, February 3, 2009 12:34, gnublade wrote:
 7.30 (!?) I'm in and will probably bring some other interested parties
 with me.



 2009/2/3 Lee Khan-Bourne l...@quru.com:
 Hi,

 I should be able to make that too.  I'll look for the crowd standing
 by the door trying to get a GPS fix.

 What time BTW?

 Lee


 On 1 Feb 2009, at 23:30, Gothnet wrote:


 Hello all,

 So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still
 having a pub
 meet on the 11th?

 I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of
 England
 on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily
 close to
 work :)

 So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about
 the state
 of the world/phone?

 I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name
 kinda
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Re: [Om2008.x] UMTS based on USB adapter

2009-02-03 Thread DJDAS
Matthias Apitz ha scritto:
 El día Tuesday, February 03, 2009 a las 02:35:06PM +0100, DJDAS escribió:
   
 Thanks for the pointer. I do Spanish and so I can read the page. :-)
 Your modem is as well Huawei E220? I have had one borrowed by Vodafone
 and it worked well on my FreeBSD laptop too; but I was asked to return
 it :-(

   

Yes it's exactly an E220
 do you have an idea where to buy one in EU without a contract of UMTS? I have
 an UMTS SIM but only a PCMCIA card :-(

   

Well, I bought on ebay by an italian user, try there, I think you can 
find modems without the needing of a contract.
 is there any way to use something like an USB-splitter to connect the
 USB of the FR to the modem and at the same time to a laptop?

   matthias
   
Uhm, IIRC there is a wiki page with some explanations on connectors to 
achieve this.
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Re: Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread Francesco de Virgilio
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Great app, thanks!! :D

Valery Febvre ha scritto:
 Hi,
 
 A new release of Neon is available.
 
 This is a major feature enhancements release.
 
 Changes since 0.9.5.1:
 
 * Images can be now auto-rotated by images dimensions (not by EXIF
 data).
 In other words, image is rotated if image's orientation is landscape.
 A new command line option (-r, --auto-rotate) has been added to
 enable/disable this new feature.
 
 * Added timers to auto-hide image viewer navbar and toolbar.
 A new command line option -d (--bars-disappear-delay) has been added to
 adjust auto-hide delay of this new feature (disabled by default).
 This feature is disabled if delay is 0.
 
 * Added the index of the image, the total number of images and the
 image's size in addition of the image's name in the image viewer.
 
 * Added a slideshow functionnality.
 A new command line option -s (--slideshow-delay) has been added to
 adjust the interval (default 4 sec.).
 
 * Added images properties: dimension, size, EXIF metadata, ...
 
 * Added a new theme 'Black  White'.
 A new command line option -t (--theme) has been added to choice the
 theme to used.
 
 As usual you can get it at:
 http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=239
 
 BEWARE:
 If your system uses Python 2.6 (not 2.5) like SHR unstable, you must
 install alternative package neon_0.9.6-r0_all_py2.6.ipk
 
 Links:
 Project Homepage: http://neon.projects.openmoko.org/
 Wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neon
 
 Have fun,
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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Petr Vanek
 It's a good guess... does mount say that it's still ro?  

i have flashed u-boot and it starts OK. reflashed qi and have the
problem again. interestingly enough i tried to boot fso from nor menu
once and then qi was able to boot it ok afterwards. so i am not sure
what exactly happens there for the first time...

the trouble is that i don't know how to change the ro flag for qi (i
can imagine i could place a kernel on my card and add append file with
rw and root=/dev/mtd device and of the nand flash?)

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Re: [SHR] first total usable image

2009-02-03 Thread Michael Sheldon
Ivan Shirokoff wrote:
 I've flashed SHR recently too. But occasionaly I've swiched my theme to 
 absolutly unusible default one.
 And now I just can't switch back. I've looked through the configs in 
 ~/.e/e/config and all of them are some kind of compiled data.
 I say does anyone know how can I change illume theme from console?

If you don't mind losing your other illume configuration options you 
could just delete ~/.e then the next time illume starts it'll ask you 
what theme, language, etc. you want to use.

Cheers,
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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Mathieu Rochette
Peter Nijs wrote:
 I've just read a (Dutch) news article
 (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en-pc-
 patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the article
 is a link to an English description of the patent.
 (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=2009012344A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US)

 The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external
 devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I think
 Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have already
 been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless devices (such as
 mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure someone suggested
 hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible, but it's
 been thought of. Integrating the wired connection between FR and the external
 devices has also been thought of earlier in this list.

wikipedia says:
   a patent application must include one or more claims defining the  
   invention which must be new, inventive, and useful or industrially 
   applicable.

one or more means that even if prior art exists, it can still be 
patented. This is different from intellectual property where anteriority 
prevent copyright. (at least in france)


 I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of January, I
 think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of prior art
 involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple are
 eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please don't steal
 our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.)

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Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-03 Thread Gothnet



Jan Henkins wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 7:30 is good, OBoE sounds splendid! See y'all there! First person to be
 there, please hog a nicely sized table, and display something vaguely
 Moko-ish/Linux-ish/Computer-ish (Linux Format mag or anything siilarly
 geeky) on the table for others to spot. It's a nice trick shown to me by
 some greybeards heavily into the online-community thing.
 
 

7.30 at OBoE it is then. I'll be bringing another FR owner I work with, and
given we're close to the area we should be able to get there a bit ahead of
time and try for a table.

Signage is also good. I'll print something out. having said that, I've done
this sort of thing once or twice before, and you'd be surprised how many
people miss the signs but find the group anyway...
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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Incredible.

If I was the person that submitted this patent application, I would have
done it under a false name, simply because I would have been ashamed.

A great example of Patent System abuse.

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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
one or more means that even if prior art exists, it can still be 
patented. This is different from intellectual property where
anteriority prevent copyright. (at least in france)

I think the issue here is in your word it.

If it is the concept of a docking station, then there is prior art
and that concept can not be patented.

If it is the concept of automatic detection and configuration, there
is plenty of prior art for that, and unless they have come up with
something completely novel, then that would be thrown out also.

At a cursory glance, I could not see anything that I considered
novel. 

The problem with a patent like this one is that the patent itself is so
broad MS would try to apply it to everything if it were granted.  A
daughter card for a motherboard could conceivably fit under this patent.

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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Peter Nijs
On Tuesday 03 February 2009 15:11:40 Mathieu Rochette wrote:
 Peter Nijs wrote:
  I've just read a (Dutch) news article
  (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en
 -pc- patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the
  article is a link to an English description of the patent.
  (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=20090123
 44A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US)
 
  The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external
  devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I
  think Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have
  already been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless
  devices (such as mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure
  someone suggested hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically
  not possible, but it's been thought of. Integrating the wired connection
  between FR and the external devices has also been thought of earlier in
  this list.

 wikipedia says:
a patent application must include one or more claims defining the 
invention which must be new, inventive, and useful or industrially
applicable.

 one or more means that even if prior art exists, it can still be
 patented. This is different from intellectual property where anteriority
 prevent copyright. (at least in france)

But it also seas it must be new. Which it isn't because it has been suggested 
on this list before.


  I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of
  January, I think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of
  prior art involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple
  are eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please
  don't steal our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.)
 
  mvg,
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[SHR] opkg upgrade unsatisfied recommendation

2009-02-03 Thread Pander
Hi all,

On SHR after opkg update; opkg upgrade, I see the following:

task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-uhci-hcd
task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-ehci-hcd
task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbcore
task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbhid
task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbnet
task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbmouse
task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-mousedev

What should I do with this information?

Thanks,

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Re: [SHR] opkg upgrade unsatisfied recommendation

2009-02-03 Thread Pander
And also how to deal with this:

Collected errors:
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for vala-terminal:
 *  gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) *
 * Package bluez-utils wants to install file /etc/init.d/bluetooth
But that file is already provided by package  * bluez4
 * Package bluez-utils wants to install file
/etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf
But that file is already provided by package  * bluez4

Pander wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 On SHR after opkg update; opkg upgrade, I see the following:
 
 task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-uhci-hcd
 task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-ehci-hcd
 task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbcore
 task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbhid
 task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbnet
 task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-usbmouse
 task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-mousedev
 
 What should I do with this information?
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread Valery Febvre
kimaidou wrote:
 Is it possible to release a version for Debian ? Since it is written in 
 python, it should run smoothly ?

Yes, if EFL library (evas, ecore, edje) and python bindings are
available, it should run without changes.
I develop Neon under debian so I am pretty sure of that.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to build a debian package. :-(

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Stefan Fröbe
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote:
...

 the trouble is that i don't know how to change the ro flag for qi (i
 can imagine i could place a kernel on my card and add append file with
 rw and root=/dev/mtd device and of the nand flash?)


Hi Petr,
Just create a textfile /boot/append-GTA02 and put whatever is needed as
kernel parameters in there - here is mine:
rw rootdelay=3 glamo_core.slow_memory=1

Refer to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi for more details

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Re: Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread azmodie
http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/

2009/2/3 Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.com:
 kimaidou wrote:
 Is it possible to release a version for Debian ? Since it is written in
 python, it should run smoothly ?

 Yes, if EFL library (evas, ecore, edje) and python bindings are
 available, it should run without changes.
 I develop Neon under debian so I am pretty sure of that.
 Unfortunately, I don't know how to build a debian package. :-(

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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Mathieu Rochette
Peter Nijs wrote:
 On Tuesday 03 February 2009 15:11:40 Mathieu Rochette wrote:
 Peter Nijs wrote:
 I've just read a (Dutch) news article
 (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/58158/microsoft-wil-brug-tussen-smartphone-en
 -pc- patenteren.html) which describes a new patent microsoft filed. In the
 article is a link to an English description of the patent.
 (http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=WONR=20090123
 44A2KC=A2FT=Ddate=20090122DB=EPODOClocale=en_US)

 The patent describes a dock for a smartphone, which connects to external
 devices such as a keyboard, mouse, screen,... wired or wireless. Now I
 think Openmoko already does a lot of these things, and other things have
 already been thought of. We can already hook up wired and wireless
 devices (such as mice and keyboards) to the Freerunner. I'm almost sure
 someone suggested hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically
 not possible, but it's been thought of. Integrating the wired connection
 between FR and the external devices has also been thought of earlier in
 this list.
 wikipedia says:
   a patent application must include one or more claims defining the
   invention which must be new, inventive, and useful or industrially
   applicable.

 one or more means that even if prior art exists, it can still be
 patented. This is different from intellectual property where anteriority
 prevent copyright. (at least in france)

 But it also seas it must be new. Which it isn't because it has been suggested
 on this list before.

(usefull, industrially applicable) IS one or more of (new, inventive, 
usefull, industrially applicable)).
So if it hasn't yet been patented, it can. No need to be new.

I do not like patent but it's how it is.

 I'm not a lawyer, but since the patent was published on the 22th of
 January, I think for some parts of this patent, there is some sort of
 prior art involved. Also it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft and Apple
 are eavesdropping on this list. (Note to Microsoft and Apple: Please
 don't steal our idea's. If you do: Please die a slow and painfull death.)

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Thomas des Courières
2009/2/3 Stefan Fröbe frob...@googlemail.com


 Just create a textfile /boot/append-GTA02 and put whatever is needed as
 kernel parameters in there - here is mine:
 rw rootdelay=3 glamo_core.slow_memory=1



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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Gothnet



Peter Nijs wrote:
 
 I'm almost sure someone suggested
 hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible
 

Isn't it?

You can get external USB gfx cards these days.

Whether FR has the power to drive one, or if there are FOSS drivers, I have
no idea.
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Re: [Om2008.x] UMTS based on USB adapter

2009-02-03 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 03 February 2009, Matthias Apitz wrote:
 is there any way to use something like an USB-splitter to connect the
 USB of the FR to the modem and at the same time to a laptop?

I don't think that'll be possible. You need the FR to be a USB host to connect 
to the modem, but a USB client to connect to the laptop. It is switchable 
between the two modes, but can't be both at the same time.


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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 03 February 2009, Gothnet wrote:
 Peter Nijs wrote:
  I'm almost sure someone suggested
  hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible

 Isn't it?

 You can get external USB gfx cards these days.

 Whether FR has the power to drive one, or if there are FOSS drivers, I have
 no idea.

IIRC the problem was that nobody could find one that would work with USB 1.1 
because the bandwidth requirement was too high. Alternative proposals involved 
something like VNC or NX, but the display adaptor would end up being a more 
powerful linux box than the phone. It's probably a simple enough thing to make 
with a beagleboard.


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Re: Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread Tony Berth
did you try it on the current SHR unstable cause it doesn't start! It
crashes!

Thanks

Tony

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 Great app, thanks!! :D

 Valery Febvre ha scritto:
  Hi,
 
  A new release of Neon is available.
 
  This is a major feature enhancements release.
 
  Changes since 0.9.5.1:
 
  * Images can be now auto-rotated by images dimensions (not by EXIF
  data).
  In other words, image is rotated if image's orientation is landscape.
  A new command line option (-r, --auto-rotate) has been added to
  enable/disable this new feature.
 
  * Added timers to auto-hide image viewer navbar and toolbar.
  A new command line option -d (--bars-disappear-delay) has been added to
  adjust auto-hide delay of this new feature (disabled by default).
  This feature is disabled if delay is 0.
 
  * Added the index of the image, the total number of images and the
  image's size in addition of the image's name in the image viewer.
 
  * Added a slideshow functionnality.
  A new command line option -s (--slideshow-delay) has been added to
  adjust the interval (default 4 sec.).
 
  * Added images properties: dimension, size, EXIF metadata, ...
 
  * Added a new theme 'Black  White'.
  A new command line option -t (--theme) has been added to choice the
  theme to used.
 
  As usual you can get it at:
  http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=239
 
  BEWARE:
  If your system uses Python 2.6 (not 2.5) like SHR unstable, you must
  install alternative package neon_0.9.6-r0_all_py2.6.ipk
 
  Links:
  Project Homepage: http://neon.projects.openmoko.org/
  Wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neon
 
  Have fun,
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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread c_c

Hi,
  Same here. Needed the rw rootdelay=3 parameters for qi.
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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Olivier Migeot
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:00 PM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi,
  Same here. Needed the rw rootdelay=3 parameters for qi.

And what to do when the problems occurs _without_ qi?

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Chris Syntichakis

Hi,

I have the QT on the rootfs, so I put the FSO on a uSD (I have installed the
QI).

ITS impossible to boot from the uSD, QI just seems to ignore the FSO and it
just boots to NAND kernel..

I HAVE no problems with a similar uSD (has FDOM) but only with the FSO..

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| 2009/2/3 Stefan Fröbe frob...@googlemail.com
| mailto:frob...@googlemail.com
|
|
| Just create a textfile /boot/append-GTA02 and put whatever is
| needed as kernel parameters in there - here is mine:
| rw rootdelay=3 glamo_core.slow_memory=1

It's

glamo3362.slow_memory=1

to get the conservative memory bus timings for Glamos that need it.  BTW
~ I added more tuning options if you kernel has this patch

http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f859d161097631a3c76ed1dbb1cfcb08ebe9759

so you may be able to increase the speed from this.

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Re: MyPaint 0.6

2009-02-03 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 03 February 2009, Konstantin wrote:
 Michele Renda schrieb:
  On 02/02/2009 23:05, Joachim Breitner wrote:
  these look as if the FreeRunner’s touch screen actually gives pressure
  input to the application. Is that really the case?
 
  I read from [1] it support pressure input and on some tables it run.
  But I don't know if really FR is able to give pressure indication to
  MyPaint.

 I highly doubt that the fr is able to do that - the graphics tablets I know
 rely on a stylus with a special tip with suspension to achieve different
 pressure levels, so I don't think it is possible with a normal resistive
 touchscreen.

Resistive touchscreens have a completely different operating principle to 
graphics tablets, so you can't make that assumption. It would be like assuming 
a guitar pick would work as a stylus on an iphone because it works on gta02.

It seems there is pressure info available from the hardware, but that it's not 
been possible to get it consistent over the whole screen. For more on what's 
actually being done see:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Touchscreen_Filters

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hi,
|
| I have the QT on the rootfs, so I put the FSO on a uSD (I have
installed the
| QI).
|
| ITS impossible to boot from the uSD, QI just seems to ignore the FSO
and it
| just boots to NAND kernel..
|
| I HAVE no problems with a similar uSD (has FDOM) but only with the FSO..

/boot/uImage-GTA02.bin is a workable kernel with correct CRC?

/boot/noboot-GTA02 should not be present...

Needs to be ext2 or ext3 in first three partitions.

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Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4

2009-02-03 Thread Michael Tansella
Very nice
thanks

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Stefan Fröbe
Hi Andy,

| rw rootdelay=3 glamo_core.slow_memory=1


that's for a SHR kernel mentioned somewhere on this list (
uImage-2.6.28-rc4-ms5-fixes_34240a1c06ae3618.bin ) but not fixing the
White/Noisy SOD for me.

glamo3362.slow_memory=1


Your latest compiled kernel

 uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-b72d8b4c5b7173a1.bin
http://people.openmoko.org/andy/uImage-moredrivers-GTA02_andy-tracking-b72d8b4c5b7173a1.bin

isn't cutting it for me as a re-suspends immeditaely when coming out of a
suspend, so I couldn't try out this parameter.

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| this happens only with qi. could it be related to ro kernel
| parameter?

It's a good guess... does mount say that it's still ro?  Normally an
initscript will take care about remount rw after it had opportunity to
do fsck if it likes.  Did it try to start X and left some log anywhere?

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Re: Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
and if you succeed to some extent, I could mentor you a bit and we could
push it into Debian (I am a DD).  Unfortunately myself I have no spare
time atm to yet another project to accomplish mission myself, but it
should be quite easy.

I would also suggest to simply look at some other python-driven app,
e.g. cycle (just apt-get source cycle and cd in there), although I would
recommend to use cdbs atm -- that would make debian/rules really tiny.


On Tue, 03 Feb 2009, azmodie wrote:

 http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/

 2009/2/3 Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.com:
  kimaidou wrote:
  Is it possible to release a version for Debian ? Since it is written in
  python, it should run smoothly ?

  Yes, if EFL library (evas, ecore, edje) and python bindings are
  available, it should run without changes.
  I develop Neon under debian so I am pretty sure of that.
  Unfortunately, I don't know how to build a debian package. :-(

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Re: Don't like unsolicited calls?

2009-02-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Crane, Matthew wrote:
 
 The auto-detect routines that make a human or answering machine 
 determination before switching to an operator seem to fail consistently 
 when answering with my openmoko phone.   I'd rather they didn't call at 
 all, but at least when they do you don't have to listen to a sales 
 pitch.  A very good thing for sure.
 

Well, this phone is programmable. Put the unwanted numbers on a blocking 
list, and have the FR auto-reject them without ringing.

For something more creative, have the phone pretend to answer. It could 
listen to the sales pitch. When silence is detected, pick from a pool 
of short .wav files that say random stuff like interesting, tell me 
more, could you please repeat that?, just a 
momentnoises.where were we?, could you take it from the 
beginning, my aunt wants to hear about that too!

Obviously, such a program should update the phone log with how much 
telemarketer time it has wasted.  And a high-score list where you can 
see who has talked for the longest time before realizing that something 
was wrong. :-)

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Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-03 Thread Laszlo KREKACS

 1. norwegian does allow for conversion to roman-only text. there are rules 
 much
 like german.
 2. this conversion isn't used much and is a last resort thing.
 3. only a few special letters are needed for common use cases in addition to
 latin


Hi!

I just giving you some perspective;)

In Hungary the situation is much like the norvegian.
We have two special accented character (ő,ű) which is not used in any
other language all the other accent are present in the latin-1 char
set (we use the latin-2 charset).

In the early computer era ő was matched to õ and ű was matched to û so
even the early microsoft word didnt care about those special
characters (and used latin-1 charset instead).
But it is a history now thanks to utf-8 (but is still a nightmare the
accented filenames, especially when restoring broken harddrives;)

There is no romanization here, but young people/computer addicts
tend to type without accents, but you cant decrypt it by words, you
need to understand the whole sentence. So simple word correction are
not working.

It is not like in Germany where you can write Tschüß, as Tschuess.

So there was developed a standard (which are not used anymore, as
there are no problem with accents nowaday), where all the accented
characters are written using a char plus a punctuation.
I give you an example:
Öt szép szűz lány őrült írót nyúz
O:t sze'p szuz la'ny oru:lt i'ro't nyu'z.

Maybe you can use this idea. Or ignore utf-8 and use the corresponding
is8859-1,2 etc charset, where  one character is one byte.

A simple word based dictionary is limited anyway for the hungarian
language, where you can create a word as long as this:
elkelkáposztástalaníthatatlanságoskodásaitokért.

Hope it helps something.

Best regards,
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Re: Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread Valery Febvre
Tony Berth wrote:
 did you try it on the current SHR unstable cause it doesn't start! It 
 crashes!

Yes, I use SHR unstable.

For a first install, I think there is no problem.
If a previous release of Neon was already installed,
it is perhaps neccessary to delete a file.
Can you look if the file /usr/bin/neon.pyo exists.

If yes, remove it.

If it's not the case, can you send me the output error?

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Re: [SHR] first total usable image

2009-02-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Steffen Winkler wrote:
 Three days ago, I installed the actual SHR onto my freerunner (testing
 or unstable...I think it was the unstable image, but not sure) and
 today, I can only say one thing: It's the best image I've ever seen!
[...]
 
 Now I only need bluetooth and a good audio player (the pythm doesn't
 play .ogg files well...only I make a bad quality ogg file...)

pythm plays .oggs for me, but I had to set renice=-15 in /etc/pythm.conf

without that, the sound gets interrupted whenever you touch the screen 
or do anything. Renicing gives mplayer higher priority than screen 
updates, so when you run out of cpu power, it is the screen that slows 
instead of the music.

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Re: Don't like unsolicited calls?

2009-02-03 Thread Sam Kuper
2009/2/3 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no

 For something more creative, have the phone pretend to answer. It could
 listen to the sales pitch. When silence is detected, pick from a pool
 of short .wav files that say random stuff like interesting, tell me
 more, could you please repeat that?, just a
 momentnoises.where were we?, could you take it from the
 beginning, my aunt wants to hear about that too!

Or, for the Python fans, I'm terribly sorry... I can't hear you, sir,
could you try speaking in a lower register? [1]

 Obviously, such a program should update the phone log with how much
 telemarketer time it has wasted.  And a high-score list where you can
 see who has talked for the longest time before realizing that something
 was wrong. :-)

Brilliant :)

[1] e.g. http://montypython.50webs.com/scripts/Series_1/82.htm

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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Gothnet wrote:
 
 
 Peter Nijs wrote:
 I'm almost sure someone suggested
 hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible

 
 Isn't it?
 
 You can get external USB gfx cards these days.
 
 Whether FR has the power to drive one, or if there are FOSS drivers, I have
 no idea.

No problem.
The dock may contain a powered usb hub - so no power problem.
An external screen can be a serial terminal, and usb-to-serial 
converters certainly exists. Linux always had drivers for serial 
terminals, these days also the usb-to-serial converters.

For something more modern, use X over the network. (usb network or wifi)


The usb cable to the pc seems to do everything:
It connects the phone to:
* the pc keyboard (use ssh software)
* the pc screen (ssh tunneling X)
* the pc mouse (ssh tunneling X)
* network connection, whatever network(s) the pc is accessing
* I have no camera, but it can be done using SANE.

Seems the cradle is the only missing component here, but phone cradles 
aren't exactly new either.


I guess it is possible to overturn that patent, if anyone has a hobby of 
  suing microsoft...


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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Joseph Reeves
Seems the cradle is the only missing component here

Except the patent states that it doesn't have to include a cradle and,
in fact, that a cable may be considered a feature.

Well done Microsoft, you're trying to patent USB host mode on a phone...

Joseph


2009/2/3 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no:
 Gothnet wrote:


 Peter Nijs wrote:
 I'm almost sure someone suggested
 hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible


 Isn't it?

 You can get external USB gfx cards these days.

 Whether FR has the power to drive one, or if there are FOSS drivers, I have
 no idea.

 No problem.
 The dock may contain a powered usb hub - so no power problem.
 An external screen can be a serial terminal, and usb-to-serial
 converters certainly exists. Linux always had drivers for serial
 terminals, these days also the usb-to-serial converters.

 For something more modern, use X over the network. (usb network or wifi)


 The usb cable to the pc seems to do everything:
 It connects the phone to:
 * the pc keyboard (use ssh software)
 * the pc screen (ssh tunneling X)
 * the pc mouse (ssh tunneling X)
 * network connection, whatever network(s) the pc is accessing
 * I have no camera, but it can be done using SANE.

 Seems the cradle is the only missing component here, but phone cradles
 aren't exactly new either.


 I guess it is possible to overturn that patent, if anyone has a hobby of
  suing microsoft...


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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Sam Kuper
2009/2/3 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no:
 I guess it is possible to overturn that patent, if anyone has a hobby of
  suing microsoft...

Not exactly, but close: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neelie_Kroes

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Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
[...]
 yeah. this is one reason i want toi understand how it works without ø, æ etc. 
 -
 one day there will be a phone with a kbd.. and it wont have a version per
 language because the # of users in norway are too small to warrant a special
 production run for them - same for germany, france etc. etc. - until you have
 the sales numbers to justify that.. you need a way to either work around it by
 ignoring them - or have software correct it. so software that works eventually
 with a hw kbd and inserts the right ø, æ etc. based off normal a-z typing...
 would be useful.

If we someday get an open phone with a keyboard, then I hope they are 
smart enough to make enough keys. (In my case, both the q row and the a 
row needs 11 keys) No problem if the keytops are painted with an english
layout - I can paint. As long as they don't let the top row end in p...

Surely, when there is a kayboard anyway, a couple of extra keys won't
cost much. Not if they are on all phones, instead of only adapted 
ones. The americans can use the extras as application hotkeys.

Another approach - let the keyboard be an extra touchscreen that is 
wide - in the shape of a keyboard. Then we can program the kayboard like 
we can today. Of course this keyboard-screen can be cheaper - 
monochrome, low resolution, maybe no backlight.

 i just want to understand the constraints of the languages i don't know - and
 how they are used. it gives me insight into how to solve the problem on a 
 wider
 picture. thanks for the info.
 
Glad to be of help.

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Re: MyPaint 0.6

2009-02-03 Thread Michele Renda
On 03/02/2009 17:18, Al Johnson wrote:
 It seems there is pressure info available from the hardware, but that it's not
 been possible to get it consistent over the whole screen. For more on what's
 actually being done see:
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Touchscreen_Filters

I'd like to ask, if someone installed this program (or another painting 
program) if has problem when is drawing.
I explain: go on upper conner and draw something. Then put the pen up, 
and make a point in the bottom part of the screen:
To me it happen that a line go from up to down, like I never putted up 
the pen.
Someone else is experiencing the same problem?

Thank you
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Re: Conflict when several apps use the accelerometers?

2009-02-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Hendrik Siedelmann wrote:
[...]
 Yes, I too think it would be useful for a longer period. In a time of
 3-5 seconds one could propably get away with simply projecting the
 route at signal loss with constant speed. And I think navit snaps to
 streets anyway, so it wouldn't matter if its off by a bit.

Unfortunately, navit snaps to the roads above the tunnel too. :-/

If I take the trouble of connecting to the car in order to get 
speedometer data, I can also get a digital compass. Those two together 
should be able to help the gps anywhere.

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread c_c

Hi,

Andy Green wrote:
 
 It's a good guess... does mount say that it's still ro?  
 
Can't check. Busybox seems to be down too.

Andy Green wrote:
 
 Did it try to start X and left some log anywhere?
 
Well, all logs are on volatile - which evaporates when i try to mount the
uSD card on my PC. Tried changing the syslog.conf file - but that didn't
help either. Though that must be something I'm doing wrong :-)

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New Release of GuitarTune v0.20 (based on Alsa)

2009-02-03 Thread c_c

Hi,
Well, here's the new release of Guitar Tune 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2254283/guitartune_0.20_arm.ipk (download) . Also
available on opkg.org and  http://guitartune.googlecode.com/
guitartune.googlecode.com .

It's based on alsa and automatically selects the appropriate alsa state.
Have tested on FSO Milestone 4 and kernel 2.6.28. and it should work on SHR
too.

Source code is available 
http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2254283/guitartune-0.2.tar.gz here. 

The freq detection is slow and needs optimisation. Currently you should get
to see something in about a second. I know the GUI and the DSP part should
be in two threads. Need to do that yet.

Feedback is welcome. 

I need help to speed up the DSP part of the code. Unfortunately I'm not able
to get back access to guitartune.projects.openmoko.org. So, the code is now
browseable  http://code.google.com/p/guitartune/source/browse/ here .
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Re: Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread kimaidou
Hi

Is it possible to release a version for Debian ? Since it is written in
python, it should run smoothly ?

thanks in advance

2009/2/3 Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.com

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 Great app, thanks!! :D

 Valery Febvre ha scritto:
  Hi,
 
  A new release of Neon is available.
 
  This is a major feature enhancements release.
 
  Changes since 0.9.5.1:
 
  * Images can be now auto-rotated by images dimensions (not by EXIF
  data).
  In other words, image is rotated if image's orientation is landscape.
  A new command line option (-r, --auto-rotate) has been added to
  enable/disable this new feature.
 
  * Added timers to auto-hide image viewer navbar and toolbar.
  A new command line option -d (--bars-disappear-delay) has been added to
  adjust auto-hide delay of this new feature (disabled by default).
  This feature is disabled if delay is 0.
 
  * Added the index of the image, the total number of images and the
  image's size in addition of the image's name in the image viewer.
 
  * Added a slideshow functionnality.
  A new command line option -s (--slideshow-delay) has been added to
  adjust the interval (default 4 sec.).
 
  * Added images properties: dimension, size, EXIF metadata, ...
 
  * Added a new theme 'Black  White'.
  A new command line option -t (--theme) has been added to choice the
  theme to used.
 
  As usual you can get it at:
  http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=239
 
  BEWARE:
  If your system uses Python 2.6 (not 2.5) like SHR unstable, you must
  install alternative package neon_0.9.6-r0_all_py2.6.ipk
 
  Links:
  Project Homepage: http://neon.projects.openmoko.org/
  Wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neon
 
  Have fun,
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Re: [Om2008.x] UMTS based on USB adapter

2009-02-03 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, February 03, 2009 a las 02:35:06PM +0100, DJDAS escribió:

 Matthias Apitz ha scritto:
  Hello,
 
  Is anybody using UMTS connections with the FR based on USB connected
  modem devices like the USB HSDPA Huawei E220 one? Any other ideas as
  devices? Thx
 
  matthias

 Yes, I do and it works pretty well (not considering battery drain ;) )
 You can find some informations here [1]. I'm sorry they're in Italian as 
 they're some little guidelines to achieve HSDPA connection given to a 
 forum user, I hadn't time yet to put up a how-to, but just following the 
 scripts and using an automatic translator should help you. :)
 P.S. where you see FDTF consider it a distro built onto an FDOM version 
 of September  with some customizations (themes, some progs and Italian 
 keyboards) so consider it an FDOM ;)
 Have fun!
 Bye!
 
 [1] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,1035.msg10579.html#msg10579

Thanks for the pointer. I do Spanish and so I can read the page. :-)
Your modem is as well Huawei E220? I have had one borrowed by Vodafone
and it worked well on my FreeBSD laptop too; but I was asked to return
it :-(

do you have an idea where to buy one in EU without a contract of UMTS? I have
an UMTS SIM but only a PCMCIA card :-(

is there any way to use something like an USB-splitter to connect the
USB of the FR to the modem and at the same time to a laptop?

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High Resolution freerunner photos

2009-02-03 Thread Mickael Labrousse
Hi,

Where can I found some HiRes photos of the freerunner ?
I've already download the press photos.

Thanks,
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Re: Accelerometers in Kernel 2.6.28-rc4

2009-02-03 Thread Michael Tansella
 There is a quick workaround for this that can be done I believe.

Any hint where I can find this workaround, then I'll post it to the wiki?
Greets
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Re: Neon 0.9.6 is out

2009-02-03 Thread Tony Berth
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Valery Febvre vfeb...@easter-eggs.comwrote:

 Tony Berth wrote:
  did you try it on the current SHR unstable cause it doesn't start! It
  crashes!

 Yes, I use SHR unstable.

 For a first install, I think there is no problem.
 If a previous release of Neon was already installed,
 it is perhaps neccessary to delete a file.
 Can you look if the file /usr/bin/neon.pyo exists.

 If yes, remove it.

 If it's not the case, can you send me the output error?

 --
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the 'neon.pyo' file doesn't exist at all and 'yes' I had the previous
version installled before upgrading!

When I click on the icon I just get the generic error screen 'Application
Execution Error' with no further info

I don't know if that was any help to you?

Thanks

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Re: [Report] - Buzz fix

2009-02-03 Thread Christoph Siegenthaler


Steve Mosher wrote:
 
 If you've done a fix, send me photos, your contact information
 and I'll send you some belated gifts for the holiday.
 
 Special bonus for people who post vids.
 
 Just send a mail to elsie, chelsea and me and we'll decide on some
 goodies.
 
Hey!

I could also bribe a friend of a friend (with a beer each) to apply the buzz
fix according to the latest SOP. It works! At least it did on the first test
call. I had the buzz on every single phone call before the fix so I assume
that it really solved the problem. Thanks a lot for everyone involved!

I can't provide any pictures as I haven't done the fix myself. We used a
resistor of size 1206 which was a little though to fit in the cover so I
advice you to follow the SOP and use 0402ers. :)

Unfortunately SHR unstable refused to connect with my laptop after a opkg
update/upgrade which is the reason why I'm reflashing my FR atm with FSO M5.
I'm glad I haven't sold my FR yet - I was getting close to do so recently...
;-)

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Re: New Release of GuitarTune v0.20 (based on Alsa)

2009-02-03 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi,

Sounds like a great app!
any change of getting this to work on 2008.12 ?

Kind regards,
Ed

c_c wrote:
 Hi,
 Well, here's the new release of Guitar Tune 
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2254283/guitartune_0.20_arm.ipk (download) . Also
 available on opkg.org and  http://guitartune.googlecode.com/
 guitartune.googlecode.com .

 It's based on alsa and automatically selects the appropriate alsa state.
 Have tested on FSO Milestone 4 and kernel 2.6.28. and it should work on SHR
 too.

 Source code is available 
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2254283/guitartune-0.2.tar.gz here. 

 The freq detection is slow and needs optimisation. Currently you should get
 to see something in about a second. I know the GUI and the DSP part should
 be in two threads. Need to do that yet.

 Feedback is welcome. 

 I need help to speed up the DSP part of the code. Unfortunately I'm not able
 to get back access to guitartune.projects.openmoko.org. So, the code is now
 browseable  http://code.google.com/p/guitartune/source/browse/ here .
   


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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Chris Syntichakis


strange.. I get an glamo33362.slow_memory unknown boot option
should I upgrade the QI?

chris


Andy Green wrote:
 
 
 glamo3362.slow_memory=1
 
 
 

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Petr Vanek
Just create a textfile /boot/append-GTA02 and put whatever is needed
as kernel parameters in there - here is mine:
rw rootdelay=3 glamo_core.slow_memory=1

Refer to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi for more details


Stefan,

i understand that this is when you run system from sd card. i run
system from NAND and for that i need to edit the boot environment but
although i can boot into NOR, then set console to USB and then run
picocom /dev/ttyACM0 what i don't know about is what parameters i
have to issue with the setenv command to alter the default boot option.
The wiki only says: ...and you'll see the messages on boot. If it's
NAND right now you need to edit the default commandline in Qi for
gta02

I had tried to place kernel on my sd card and set append parameters via
append file to actually redirect it by root=/dev/mtdblock4, but the
kernel gets panicked as it cannot mount the jffs partition of
root=/dev/mtdblock4

I had flashed u-boot back but would love to use qi again as it can start
the neo on a short pwr press, has no logo and is faster... 

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Re: MyPaint 0.6

2009-02-03 Thread Michele Renda
I foward this to ML, because I don't know if the email from Martin is 
accepted by ML.

On 03/02/2009 21:15, Martin Renold wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 02, 2009 at 10:26:12PM +0100, Michele Renda wrote:

 The only problem was the sensitivity of the touchscreen. It happen that
 when a person put the pen UP the screen continue to
 think  that it is still down. I think it can be fixed by software, but I
 am not so sure!
  

 As a workaround, try to disable pressure sensitivity:
 Edit -  Settings -  Mode for Input devices -  Disabled

 If someone wants to debug, the code is in gui/tileddrawwidget.py around line
 120. Of course it could also be the driver's fault. The nokia internet
 tablet community had very similar issues with 0.5.0 (still unresolved I
 think), including different pressure sensitivity on different areas of the
 screen: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16079

 bye,
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Re: [SHR] first total usable image

2009-02-03 Thread Steffen Winkler
Not per GUI but per terminal it should work...haven't tried it (wifi)
For USB I've to plug-in the neo, then kill the NetworkManager,
restart /etc/init.d/networking and start the NetworkManager the usb
interface has to be defined in the /etc/network/interfaces (Ubuntu 8.10)
then a sudo ifconfig usb0 up and you can connect to the FR per SSH
Am Dienstag, den 03.02.2009, 13:33 -0700 schrieb bburde...@comcast.net:
 Steffen Winkler wrote:
  Three days ago, I installed the actual SHR onto my freerunner (testing
  or unstable...I think it was the unstable image, but not sure) and
  today, I can only say one thing: It's the best image I've ever seen!
  
 
 What about wifi and/or usb networking?
 
 
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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Andy Green
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
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|
| On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz
| mailto:van...@penguin.cz wrote:
|
| ...
| i understand that this is when you run system from sd card. i run
| system from NAND and for that i need to edit the boot environment
|
| ...
| I had flashed u-boot back but would love to use qi again as it can
start
| the neo on a short pwr press, has no logo and is faster...
|
|
| Not sure I understood what you wanted correctly, so please don't
| hesitate to ask again - but if you want to use Qi to boot from NAND the
| procedure is the same as from SD-Card:

No this isn't so regrettably, since it would make a lot more sense than
how it is.

For NAND it uses the kernel in the third NAND partition same as U-Boot
and mounts the sixth partition as rootfs same again as U-Boot would.

We'd need a jffs2 filesystem parser and to wait for the mount action to
complete to get the kernel if we did it the right way, so we do NAND for
GTA02 the compatible way.

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Re: New Release of GuitarTune v0.20 (based on Alsa)

2009-02-03 Thread Natanael
c_c wrote:

 
 Hi,
 Well, here's the new release of Guitar Tune
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2254283/guitartune_0.20_arm.ipk (download) .

Cool, I want to try it, but i get:
$ opkg install guitartune_0.20_arm.ipk
Installing guitartune (0.20) to root...
Collected errors:
 * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for guitartune:
 *  libfftw3-3 *

on SHR, where can I find libfftw3-3? I've searched in
http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ but couldn't find it. Which
distribution do you use?

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Re: New Release of GuitarTune v0.20 (based on Alsa)

2009-02-03 Thread Natanael
Natanael wrote:

 c_c wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 Well, here's the new release of Guitar Tune
 http://n2.nabble.com/file/n2254283/guitartune_0.20_arm.ipk (download) .
 
 Cool, I want to try it, but i get:
 $ opkg install guitartune_0.20_arm.ipk
 Installing guitartune (0.20) to root...
 Collected errors:
  * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for guitartune:
  *  libfftw3-3 *
 
 on SHR, where can I find libfftw3-3? I've searched in
 http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/ but couldn't find it. Which
 distribution do you use?

Ok, thankyou I've found my answer on http://www.opkg.org/package_115.html

opkg install libglade-2.0 gtk+
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/libfftw3-3_3.1.2-r1_armv4t.ipk
http://www.opkg.org/packages/guitartune_0.20_arm.ipk

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Re: opkg-deb

2009-02-03 Thread Michele Renda
On 03/02/2009 22:43, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
 Given that there are some applications (e.g. navit) which are updated
 regularly for opkg, but not for deb, it occurred to me that as the
 file formats are so similar, it shouldn't be so hard to write a script
 to convert from one to the other.

 Before I spent any time on this, has anyone beaten me to it?


Hello, I think you are speaking about a alien for opkg :)
I don't know if exist a package for this.
The problem is not to convert a opkg in deb, is pretty standard. The 
problem is to manage all the dependency.
The better solution is according me to maintain a list, in the wiki, 
with a list of software present only as opkg, and one list of software 
present only as deb, and package all this software..

I think Navit must to be one of the first that need to be packaged, 
because, with Tango Gps, are the only software to use in efficent way 
our FR.

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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 09:13:50 -0500 Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org said:

 Incredible.
 
 If I was the person that submitted this patent application, I would have
 done it under a false name, simply because I would have been ashamed.
 
 A great example of Patent System abuse.

bah - it will be a real name. he want is patent filing bonus. they will pay him
a nice sum of cash for every patent awarded under his name for ms. the shame is
bearable as it comes with a nice lump of green to fix it :)

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Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 18:28:49 +0100 Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no said:

 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 [...]
  yeah. this is one reason i want toi understand how it works without ø, æ
  etc. - one day there will be a phone with a kbd.. and it wont have a
  version per language because the # of users in norway are too small to
  warrant a special production run for them - same for germany, france etc.
  etc. - until you have the sales numbers to justify that.. you need a way to
  either work around it by ignoring them - or have software correct it. so
  software that works eventually with a hw kbd and inserts the right ø, æ
  etc. based off normal a-z typing... would be useful.
 
 If we someday get an open phone with a keyboard, then I hope they are 
 smart enough to make enough keys. (In my case, both the q row and the a 
 row needs 11 keys) No problem if the keytops are painted with an english
 layout - I can paint. As long as they don't let the top row end in p...
 
 Surely, when there is a kayboard anyway, a couple of extra keys won't
 cost much. Not if they are on all phones, instead of only adapted 
 ones. The americans can use the extras as application hotkeys.

oh its not the extra keys - its the variations in production. the moment you
have a variation (with different # of keys, different layout of them) you have
a change in plastic mould - thats costly (if doing things via molds a new mold
costs upward of $US 60,000-100,000 or more). so if all you have is 500
customers in that country - that'd be an up-front cost of maybe 100k to just
supply that market, and then for 500 people - IF you sell that many, it'd be
$12-$20 extra per unit in costs. to cover the risk of not selling all your
production you may have to raise retail prices by $50-$100 more over the mass
produced item. now imagine its only 100 customers in that region, or 50.

just a change in printing whats on the keys is not free. software keyboards are
by far the cheaper option :) but if a hardware keyboard is there - changes of
lots of variations per locale being around, unless you sell the kind of volume
nokia do, is slim to none. :(

 Another approach - let the keyboard be an extra touchscreen that is 
 wide - in the shape of a keyboard. Then we can program the kayboard like 
 we can today. Of course this keyboard-screen can be cheaper - 
 monochrome, low resolution, maybe no backlight.

of course! i've actually mulled this idea with a clear plastic overlay that
contains the mechanical contacts (done in a way that they dont obscure the
middle of the key) and just have a normal lcd under it... have an extra lcd or
just a bigger single lcd shared with the main one... :) thus a
soft-hard-keyboard happens. as long as the # of buttons are ok (you can cover
most use cases with the buttons there) then software can vary the painting
and layout runtime. this might be the best middleground solution for a
hardware keyboard for when low volume productions limit the ability to have
custom molds/paint runs due to the small customer bases per locale.

it sucks. but english is the lowest common denominator and thus most things
tend to be built to support it - as   it tends to keep more people happier
than  some other setup. if there was enough volume to make enough units for a
particular language/locale/country - it'd be different. :)

  i just want to understand the constraints of the languages i don't know -
  and how they are used. it gives me insight into how to solve the problem on
  a wider picture. thanks for the info.
  
 Glad to be of help.
 
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Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow

2009-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 17:36:26 +0100 Laszlo KREKACS
laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com said:

 
  1. norwegian does allow for conversion to roman-only text. there are rules
  much like german.
  2. this conversion isn't used much and is a last resort thing.
  3. only a few special letters are needed for common use cases in addition
  to latin
 
 
 Hi!
 
 I just giving you some perspective;)
 
 In Hungary the situation is much like the norvegian.
 We have two special accented character (ő,ű) which is not used in any
 other language all the other accent are present in the latin-1 char
 set (we use the latin-2 charset).
 
 In the early computer era ő was matched to õ and ű was matched to û so
 even the early microsoft word didnt care about those special
 characters (and used latin-1 charset instead).
 But it is a history now thanks to utf-8 (but is still a nightmare the
 accented filenames, especially when restoring broken harddrives;)
 
 There is no romanization here, but young people/computer addicts
 tend to type without accents, but you cant decrypt it by words, you
 need to understand the whole sentence. So simple word correction are
 not working.
 
 It is not like in Germany where you can write Tschüß, as Tschuess.

ok - so if a young person typed:
Öt szép szűz
it'd be:
Ot szep szuz

right?

 So there was developed a standard (which are not used anymore, as
 there are no problem with accents nowaday), where all the accented
 characters are written using a char plus a punctuation.
 I give you an example:
 Öt szép szűz lány őrült írót nyúz
 O:t sze'p szuz la'ny oru:lt i'ro't nyu'z.
 
 Maybe you can use this idea. Or ignore utf-8 and use the corresponding
 is8859-1,2 etc charset, where  one character is one byte.

nah. this heavily precludes expansion. 1 byte is 256 chars. try cram in
russian, greek, thai, hindi.. etc. into that space. not going to work. so you
keep flipign charsets and have special code per charset... no thanks :)

 A simple word based dictionary is limited anyway for the hungarian
 language, where you can create a word as long as this:
 elkelkáposztástalaníthatatlanságoskodásaitokért.

ugh. so its like german. compound words get created a lot by just stringing
multiple words together without a space. that's ok- as long as there arent a
massive set of them... :)

 Hope it helps something.
 
 Best regards,
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Re: [SHR] illume predictive keyboard is too slow - Usability features

2009-02-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:15:53 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net
said:

 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:53:26 +0100 Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
  m...@3v1n0.net said:
  However in the past days I sent you privately also a mail about some
  issues of the keyboard in latest e17 svn [1], but I got no answer.
  Maybe the mail wasn't sent correctly?!
  
  got it - i just tend to ignore some of my mailboxes for a while and cycle
  around to them... got a lot of email here :) i'll get back to you on it. it
  just is that kbd isnt a focus at the moment so it tends to take a
  back-burner position.
 
 Ah, ok... It's understandable...
 
  They seem unrelated, but why not workarounding them by allowing these
  actions only after a small timeout (i.e. waiting few ms from the latest
  char pressure)?
  
  so  lets say 0.4 sec after the last keyboard key press it will allow for
  swipes and match hits etc. that could be done. again - tuning a timing
  value. will people then complain that :i often try and swipe or hit a
  match and it doesnt respond. i need to do it again?. h.
 
 Maybe 0.4 seconds is too much. I think that we could use a lower value
 too. And maybe configurable directly from the keyboard (also if I don't
 think that this is needed at all).
 
  Generally you never confirm a word or switch keyboard as fast as you
  type over a char (since typing can be un-precise thanks to the keyboard
  correction, switching a keyboard or selecting a word must be precise)...
  
  correct. it's a fine line to walk tho - as above :)
  
  And... What about making the horizontal word list (the one over the
  keys) scrollable [right-left] as the configuration toolbar is? Would it
  require more computation? I figure that that could improve the usability.
  
  no - it'd be not much of a problem - i just didnt do it. :)
 
 Ok, so please put it in your/illume TODO :P

:)

  nb - i can see why you often hit a match word. your kbd layout doesnt have
  padding ABOVE the qwerty line like the default does... :)
 
 Yes. That's true. But people could have also keyboards with more keys
 than the mine (see Norwegians :P), and make the words-list and the keys
 closer.
 The fact is that also using the default qwerty keyboard, that has more
 padding, it could happen to hit a word if you're writing while
 walking/driving[ehm... :P]/talking (or simply writing quickly)...
 Don't you agree?

oh indeed it can happen.. but its much less likely - it never has happened to
me, thus why i think its probably ok. but with that padding removed on your
kbd, i can see how it becomes much more probable you hit these things at the
top. you should just add more padding :) the problem is the kbd wont resize per
layout atm so the default determines the size so if yours is the default then
just make sure it has padding and the problem should go away.

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Re: [All] FR survey and locations

2009-02-03 Thread Pablo Miño
How do I find out what version my neo is? Do I have to open it?

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Thomas Otterbein th.otterb...@gmx.netwrote:

 Dear all,

 questions about buying a FR now or later, waiting for this or that software
 and using this or that distribution arrive on a regular basis on this list.
 I
 read them all although I'm usually quite unhappy with the answers that
 happen
 to arrive on such a mailing. IMHO they represent -naturally- rather the
 authors personal liking of a certain distro than a neutral perspective on
 the
 most common issues (buzz, echo, battery, etc.). I understand that it
 depends a
 lot on the concrete device (revision) one uses and the circumstances
 (location, provider, gsm band, etc.) it's used in and -of course- on the
 personal expectations.

 So here's my approach to get the most urgent questions answered by a large
 group of users while allowing to take the decession on a most neutral base
 of
 data.
 I created a survey with the most important questions - at least to me but
 I'm
 happy to optimize it to make it usefull for a larger group of people. The
 questions are: What revisions of the FR are are out there and in use? What
 distro is used at the most? How many are (still) suffering from buzz/echo?
 Is
 there any indication that these problems are located or more frequent in
 certain corners of the world?

 The survey is a simple Google-Form. You can see the any entered records as
 a
 sheet here:
 http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p2ZQdcRSVg9XfYLwBVsZicg

 To take part in the survey click here:
 http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p2ZQdcRSVg9XfYLwBVsZicg

 I also created a Google-Map where everyone can enter the location of his or
 her FR, so people, who would like to see and/or touch it before buying
 their
 own, could find the closest FR-owner

 http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=115352610340426907999.000461ec26b35ac3fad63z=7

 The Google-Form offers a kind of summary too, which may show some usefull
 statistics if enough FR-owners take part in the survey. However it cannot,
 for
 whatever reason, be made public. If someone is interessted I'll publish the
 summary somewhere else then.

 Thanks in advance for your support!

 Regards
  thomas

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Re: [SHR] first total usable image

2009-02-03 Thread bburdette
Steffen Winkler wrote:
 Three days ago, I installed the actual SHR onto my freerunner (testing
 or unstable...I think it was the unstable image, but not sure) and
 today, I can only say one thing: It's the best image I've ever seen!
 

What about wifi and/or usb networking?


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Re: microsoft patent with idea's from this list

2009-02-03 Thread Sam Kuper
2009/2/3 Peter Nijs pe...@familienijs.be:
 On Tuesday 03 February 2009 20:10:08 arne anka wrote:
 btw: there's one of these foss organisations doing exactly what we want --
 looking for prior art and questioning patents. if anybody knows their
 address, drop 'em a note ...

 Do you mean this one?

 http://openinventionnetwork.com/

I think perhaps arne meant this one: http://linuxdefenders.org/ -
although maybe they're related. I found the LD site via the OIN site.

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Re: [Report] - Buzz fix

2009-02-03 Thread Jeffrey Ratcliffe
2009/2/1 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com:
   We have a SOP for people who want to do it by themselves or for
 others, but there are several other elements missing from the process
 that would allow us to help the non DIY folks. One thing that probably

I have just got a friend of mine to do both the big-C and SD/GPS
fixes. TTFF was 24s on first attempt, when I have never had it below
40s before. The buzz seems to be also gone, but I need a couple of
days to confirm, as it was not always reproducible.

Good job!

Regards

Jeff

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Re: London pub meet on the 11th

2009-02-03 Thread Tina Friedrich
Hello all,

what snow? Got promised about 10cm of the white stuff for two days
running, didn't even get one overall! (That's in Oxford, btw). So
envious whenever I see pics from virtually everywhere else in
England (it seems).

I shall try to come to the pub meet, however work might get in the way.

Hopefully see you next week, then!

Tina

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 02:52:08 -0800 (PST)
Gothnet openm...@nastylittlehorse.net wrote:

 Gothnet wrote:
  
  Hello all,
  
  So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still
  having a pub meet on the 11th?
  
  I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of
  England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is
  lazily close to work :)
  
  So who's available and could sup a couple of beers and chat about
  the state of the world/phone?
  
  I'm Dave, by the way, and only used to be a goth, though the name
  kinda stuck. 
  
 
 
 This plan does, of course, rely on the snow stopping at some point.
 
 It's years since I've seen this much snow.

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Chris Syntichakis



opps.. the message saye glamo3362.slow_memory NOT glamo33362 as i wrote!



Chris Syntichakis wrote:
 
 
 strange.. I get an glamo33362.slow_memory unknown boot option
 should I upgrade the QI?
 
 chris
 
 
 Andy Green wrote:
 
 
 glamo3362.slow_memory=1
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Stefan Fröbe
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote:

 ...
 i understand that this is when you run system from sd card. i run
 system from NAND and for that i need to edit the boot environment

...
 I had flashed u-boot back but would love to use qi again as it can start
 the neo on a short pwr press, has no logo and is faster...


Not sure I understood what you wanted correctly, so please don't hesitate to
ask again - but if you want to use Qi to boot from NAND the procedure is the
same as from SD-Card:

- setup your /boot directory (in NAND!) with the Qi specific files
uImage-GTA02.bin (needed), append-GTA02 (optional) and noboot-GTA02 (you
don't want that) exactly as you would for an SD-Card partition
- then power up normally
- if you have Qi set up for any of the first 3 partitions on SD-Card they
would first be booted : Therefore press AUX just after the FR vibrates once
for every partition you want to skip, then as a final resort NAND will be
tried. Or, put noboot-GTA02 to skip automatically wherever appropriate.

HTH,

Stefan
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Re: Freesmartphone.org Milestone 5 'Calling All Stations' Release

2009-02-03 Thread Andy Green
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Wah my mistake... it really is glamo_core, it appears in /sys as

/sys/module/glamo_core/parameters/slow_memory

I read my wrong comment in the source and gave you advice when you
were already right, sorry about that.

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