Aw: Re: compiling lincity
i know lincity-ng, but its too big, i wanted a very small game (small means less disk-space) and so lincity would be perfect. lincity-ng needs too much ressources. regards, arne - Original Nachricht Von: Han Dao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: List for Openmoko community discussion Datum: 19.08.2008 01:28 Betreff: Re: compiling lincity > You might want to try to compile Lincity-NG. It is a much more modern fork > of the game, with pretty graphics and everything. > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Arne Zachlod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey guys! > > > > i want to compile the game lincity for the freerunner and everything > > worked fine, but it doesn't works. it wants to cd in the sources-dir pon > > my desktop (which is of course not available on my freerunner). > > > > so if anyone wants to help i would be happy if you drop me a line. > > > > > > bye, Arne > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Jetzt komfortabel bei Arcor-Digital TV einsteigen: Mehr Happy Ends, mehr Herzschmerz, mehr Fernsehen! Erleben Sie 50 digitale TV Programme und optional 60 Pay TV Sender, einen elektronischen Programmführer mit Movie Star Bewertungen von TV Movie. Außerdem, aktuelle Filmhits und spannende Dokus in der Arcor-Videothek. Infos unter www.arcor.de/tv ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Raster's Image and chatting on the moko!
Hi everyone, I recently flashed an image created by Raster (from a recent version of the ASU dev tree but with his modifications...most noticably the keyboard is changed to a modified version of the illume keyboard...and very works very well!) I think Raster mentioned that it can accept any dictionary file for the predictive part of the keyboard, and you can easily switch dictionaries with the top left button. (Not to mention there is a full qwerty keyboard option included! Terminal friendly ASU!) Anyway, I just wanted to comment that with it, and several other recent programs, I was able to very easily connect to a wifi network (via terminal), connect my bluetooth keyboard, and chat in the #openmoko IRC room via pidginand it worked great! I've also used this image for a couple days as my main phone and it seems to be pretty stable and usable. It wakes up out of suspend on phone calls and with the usual mods to the gsmhandset.state file, it sounds fine. To see pics and descriptions of what I used, see here: http://www.bufferunderflow.com/?entry=6 (Remember, Raster gets all the credit! I'm just trying to spread the good word about the image!) -Dan Staley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Connecting your computer to the Internet through your FreeRunner!
Hi all, I documented the steps to connect your computer to the internet through the FreeRunner's GPRS connection. You can find the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS#Sharing_the_GPRS_connection_with_a_computer Hopefully someone can pick it up and make it easier for the average person to do! Cheers, Andrew ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO: how to disable zhone screen locking?
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Sonntag 03 August 2008 00:57:01 schrieb Craig B. Allen: I've been using FSO milestone 2 and liking it. Is there a setting to disable the zhone screen locker? If I want to lock I can just press the Aux button. You can specify the timeouts in seconds /etc/frameworkd.conf, e.g.: [idlenotifier] IDLE_DIM = 1 Since we just integrated illume though, it could be that illume still tries to blank the screen after a while. I don't know offhand how to configure Illume. The general problem is that Illume does not really talk with the middleware yet (another artefact of that is that you still see carrier name and signal strength being painted by Zhone, instead of illume, where it should belong to). We're going to fix all of this hopefully until ms3. It sounds like he's tired of pressing 1, 2, 3, 4 to answer the phone, not worried about the screen dimming The attached patch to zhone disables its screen locker by making it drop the incoming dbus signal. Since it's written in python, I applied it directly to my phone, then restarted zhone. Is there a better way to configure zhone than editing its source? ;) -Rusty --- /usr/bin/zhone-bak Mon Aug 18 20:47:12 2008 +++ /usr/bin/zhone Mon Aug 18 20:52:15 2008 @@ -1535,7 +1535,7 @@ self.transition_to(options.start) def lock_on_idle( self, state ): -if state == "LOCK": +if state == "LOCK" and False: self.groups["lock"].activate() def display_time(self): ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
Matt Joyce wrote: > > Isn't gypsy [1] used on some builds? > Perhaps build a logger to use either gpsd or gypsy. > Gypsy, Python examples are available [2]. > Gypsy uses GTK+ (or more specifically GObject) which is not present in Qtopia which is QT based. Seeing as I use Qtopia, this is kind of important to me. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
Neil Brown wrote: > On Monday August 18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I was kind of surprised that gpsd didn't give me a simple way to just get >> the current location, I >> had to capture 5 sentences to do that simple thing, but what I really wanted >> was to simply get the >> last known lat and long I was at. With the data logger I can presumably do >> that by getting the last >> entry of the log. > > from the man page for gpsd > > p >Returns the current position in the form "P=%f %f"; numbers are in >degrees, latitude first. > > That doesn't work if you connect, get a fix and disconnect. From the FAQ... Why does my single-shot query fail to return fix data? This is closely related to the previous item. The old-style query commands such as P and A are are safe to use with J=1 if you're polling repeatedly, but they're a dicey way to go if you're opening a channel to gpsd, doing a single-shot query, and then hanging up. Even repeating the query a few times won't necessarily work. The problem is that your queries are in a race with the daemon's logic for assigning and initializing a GPS. It won't try to assign a GPS to your channel until the first command that demands actual device information. Then the race begins. The daemon will be interleaving reads of whatever packet fragments the GPS is shipping with reads from your client socket. It is entirely possible that the rest of your commands will get processed before the daemon reads and processes enough GPS sentences to get a fix — especially if the serial device is slow and the GPS has a long initialization sequence. (A similar race existed in gpsd versions before multi-device support was added in 2.21; if you issued a query too soon after device open it would fail in exactly this way.) The right way to code your client is to set watcher mode and read a couple of O responses before trying to parse one. That way the daemon paces the action, actually telling the client when it receives packets. To be certain of having full fix data, you'd need to wait for as many O responses as there are sentences that set fix data in the device's normal cycle. For SiRFs, one read will do because normally only one sentence in the cycle ships fix data. For NMEA devices you don't have a full fix before five reads, enough for an entire GPRMC/GPGGA/GPVTG/GPGLL/GPGSV cycle in whatever permutation the device ships it. In practice, three O reads will always be enough to get you some fix information — worst case is your first O came from a GPGSA and all you get is a mode, and then you get GPVTG, but you'll always get lat/lon on the next O. Clients that poll P or A repleatedly won't have a problem; the race effects will show up but be limited to noise in the first few seconds of samples. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
Brian Wilson wrote: > Jim wrote: > I tried to used gpsd with my GPS base station my recollection was that > it was totally useless for that. I assume that it will be useless for > this project too but it's a starting point. > gpsd seems to work fine for me, and I can develop my app on my host, and connect to it over the USB connection, or over the wifi. Other than the documented problems with the 5 reads to get the fix. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
Bert Hartmann wrote: > Jim, Brian, > > In my toyings with TangoGPS, I know it can produce logs, I don't know the > format > at all, it may just be the raw GPS output or not. I do know it does all the > pedometer functions you were asking about (maybe not min speed, but definitely > max and avg.). Perhaps you should look into that project. > > --Bert > > TangoGPS doesn't run on Qtopia I think it is a GTK+ app. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Neil Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday August 18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I was kind of surprised that gpsd didn't give me a simple way to just get >> the current location, I >> had to capture 5 sentences to do that simple thing, but what I really wanted >> was to simply get the >> last known lat and long I was at. With the data logger I can presumably do >> that by getting the last >> entry of the log. > > from the man page for gpsd > > p > Returns the current position in the form "P=%f %f"; numbers are in > degrees, latitude first. > > > > $ telnet tangogps.org gpsd > Trying 82.240.156.91... > Connected to tangogps.org. > Escape character is '^]'. > p > GPSD,P=43.739028 7.364333 > ^] > telnet> q > Connection closed. > > 43 degrees north, 7 east. > > > NeilBrown > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Isn't gypsy [1] used on some builds? Perhaps build a logger to use either gpsd or gypsy. Gypsy, Python examples are available [2]. Regarding the resulting logs : Would be nice for choose what format; text, xml, yaml, sqlite Start with plain text, with the expectation that someone will want another format. What columns for store, time,long,lat. timezone, time format. ~ Matt [1] http://folks.o-hand.com/iain/gypsy/ [2] http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/gypsy/trunk/gypsy/examples/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08? -> SOLVED ?
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:29:32 -0700 (PDT) "Marcel \"MadJo\" de Jong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Indeed, I too found out that the keyboard in default 2008.8 is only "plain > english", but I'm Dutch, and most of my texts would be in Dutch as well. So > that makes that keyboard less than functional for me. in ASU (2008.08) you hav the qtopia keyboard - not illume. they are surprisingly similar in default mode. illume's has 2 menus (top left/right) top-left is for selecting word matches and changing dictionary files, the top-right for selecting keyboard layout. slide down for enter, up to switch layouts left for backspace and right for "finish word, select default match and add a space". that's illume's keyboard and it's used in FSO. 2008.08 is another matter. (illume's keyboard allows you to create your own custom layouts, add lots of keys with accented characters, write your own flat-files for dictionaries etc.). so the problem is there is a huge volume of confusion regarding "keyboards" right now. > BTW, as a test, I tried to type "Laporte" with the keyboard, since I heard > from Leo Laporte that on the Iphone his name was very hard to type. And it > seems that it's just impossible to type it on the Openmoko 2008.8 stock > keyboard. > > I'm also going to test how to work with the keyboard when in a terminal > mode, since I'm yet to be able to hit enter after entering a command. > (typing the command works, but then pressing enter to execute it has yet to > function for me) I could be doing something wrong, but I'm not sure. > > === > > Marcel de Jong > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/full-keyboard-for-Om-2008.08--tp681538p730880.html Sent > from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
On Monday August 18, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I was kind of surprised that gpsd didn't give me a simple way to just get the > current location, I > had to capture 5 sentences to do that simple thing, but what I really wanted > was to simply get the > last known lat and long I was at. With the data logger I can presumably do > that by getting the last > entry of the log. from the man page for gpsd p Returns the current position in the form "P=%f %f"; numbers are in degrees, latitude first. $ telnet tangogps.org gpsd Trying 82.240.156.91... Connected to tangogps.org. Escape character is '^]'. p GPSD,P=43.739028 7.364333 ^] telnet> q Connection closed. 43 degrees north, 7 east. NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Holger Freyther wrote: > On Monday 18 August 2008 22:09:44 Daniel Benoy wrote: > >> I agree. I think the issue is that people don't realize it's a finger >> keyboard. I showed it to my friends at work and they said "That's really >> small!" and they laughed, having just bragged about their iphone.. and then >> I typed in their names in about 1 second each and it dawned on them that >> it's small on purpose. >> >> It's also not immediately evident that you can hold a letter and type words >> that aren't in the dictionary. >> >> Perhaps this calls for little tooltips for new users. > > Yes, that is the only downside of this keyboard. The gestures and features > are > not easy to discover. But besides that I can write SMS and names during a > ride with the public transportation (bus) easily. There should be 'help' for the input method. There are only a few gestures to learn, and once you learn them, it's easy. Easier than learning to ride a bike, but being difficult to learn never stopped most people from learning to ride... :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
I have a tiny tiny head so all the hats fit. we are putting together a policy for people who bought from the openmoko store. there are several issues. We offer a 14 day DOA Warrenty and a 28 day warrenty for 10 packs. The issue is what does DOA mean? Dead on Arrival. If your GSM doesnt work, but getting a download fixes it? is that DOA? If your GSM doesnt work but getting a new card fixes it? is that DOA? same with GPS, did the software download fix it? If you send the phone back and it works fine, what to do? if you send back a phone and it works fine, who pays for shipping? Now in the US at retail you can return something if the sky is blue. We can't work that way and build a open source phone. well, we can but the cost of blue sky returns would have to be added to the phone. In the end, as micheal will tell you, I work every case. So, If you have a problem, email me or micheal. tell us that you tried the fixes we suggested. And we will work from there. Michael Shiloh wrote: > ian douglas wrote: >> Sean/Michael/Community: >> >> It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD "fixes" >> and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm >> hoping that at some point the "squeaky wheel" cliche will work itself >> out and we'll get an answer. >> >> The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about warranty, we >> need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does cover? >> My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases got >> a 14-day "warranty", and group purchases were given a 28-day "warranty", >> but we've never been told what the warranty includes. >> >> I'd really like to outline some of this on the wiki since we're cleaning >> it all up, etc., and since few users will ever search the mailing list >> archives anyway. >> >> Will it include any recall/repairs needed to fix the GPS/SD problems at >> a hardware level? >> >> Thanks, >> Ian > > Ian, I agree with you, and I'm sure Steve and Sean (and everyone at > Openmoko) do as well. > > I'm sure that the only reason that Steve has not responded (for he is > the one to respond to this) is that he is completely overwhelmed by > email, manufacturing and shipping, and releasing stuff this week. He is > wearing the hats of Marketing, Operations, Manufacturing, Shipping, > Testing, Hardware and Software final test, Field Engineer Manager, > Customer Service Manager, Product Oversight (a new category I just > created), Trade Show Coordinator, Vertical Market Manager, and many > others I can't even remember. > > I will be talking to him today and I'll see if we can address this issue. > > Thanks for helping to keep us focused, > Michael > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
Jim wrote:
> I was kind of surprised that gpsd didn't give me a simple way to just get the
> current location, I
> had to capture 5 sentences to do that simple thing
I tried to used gpsd with my GPS base station my recollection was that
it was totally useless for that. I assume that it will be useless for
this project too but it's a starting point.
> XML would be able to do that but I agree probably too verbose, how about
> tokenized XML?
Very interesting idea, could be the way to go, I will look at it.
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Bert Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In my toyings with TangoGPS, I know it can produce logs, I don't know the
> format
> at all, it may just be the raw GPS output or not. I do know it does all the
> pedometer functions you were asking about (maybe not min speed, but definitely
> max and avg.). Perhaps you should look into that project.
I will, thank you. I have no interest in inventing a new binary
format. There should be something out there that is open and compact.
("There should be", he said. Ha)
I've tried TangoGPS, it's a nice program.
Brian
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Re: Try to install MokoMake on openSuSE 11 fails
Lothar Behrens wrote: > The difference is that I am using openSuSE 11 instead of 10.3. Which (of the many, redundant, mostly out of date, non-executable) instructions did you use? Your subject says "MokoMake" (which I assume means MokoMakefile) but you talk below about manually installing bitbake (which the MokoMakefile does for you automatically). > One package was not installable via Yast (help2man) => Downloaded > orginal source tgz and built it. Ok > > Installing BitBake was also not possible via Yast. Downloaded the > package from BerlinOS. Try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Garbled SMS messages with OM2008.8?
>>> I've been running OM2008.8 on my freerunner for a little over a week now. >>> For about a week, SMS's worked fine, but for the last few days the SMSs I >>> receive have been garbled - a mixture of characters like ">?Èù¥£ì" I only get garbled messages from my service provider. This is when I miss a call and I should get a SMS to say that I have voice mail message please cal 212 but with the qtopia 080808 image I get a similar garbled result. Regards, Tim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: compiling lincity
You might want to try to compile Lincity-NG. It is a much more modern fork of the game, with pretty graphics and everything. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Arne Zachlod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey guys! > > i want to compile the game lincity for the freerunner and everything > worked fine, but it doesn't works. it wants to cd in the sources-dir pon > my desktop (which is of course not available on my freerunner). > > so if anyone wants to help i would be happy if you drop me a line. > > > bye, Arne > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
Jim, Brian, In my toyings with TangoGPS, I know it can produce logs, I don't know the format at all, it may just be the raw GPS output or not. I do know it does all the pedometer functions you were asking about (maybe not min speed, but definitely max and avg.). Perhaps you should look into that project. --Bert Jim Morris wrote: > Hi Brian, > > I like this idea, I just added gpsd to my Qtopia build, and added some simple > code to my Qtopia based sunset calculator I wrote eons ago for my Zaurus, the > GPS part > simply gets current lat and long to calculate sunset/sunrise at your current > location. > Previously I had a city selector for that. > > I also wanted a pedometer, and I like the idea of a data logger, because I > can post process the data > with numerous things. > > I was kind of surprised that gpsd didn't give me a simple way to just get the > current location, I > had to capture 5 sentences to do that simple thing, but what I really wanted > was to simply get the > last known lat and long I was at. With the data logger I can presumably do > that by getting the last > entry of the log. > > I think the first thing to answer is the log format, any progress on defining > that? > > I'll work on code to extract the log info for a simple pedometer, also if you > can define the log > format I may be able to write an initial logger. > > I think the logger needs to be platform independent as I will be writing all > my code for Qtopia, but > obviously we have 3 of 4 platforms to deal with, and only the graphical part > will be different. > (GTK/X vs QT/FB). > > I also write in Ruby whenever possible, so we probably need a library that > can read the log format > from c/c++/python/ruby etc. (XML would be able to do that but I agree > probably too verbose, how > about tokenized XML?) > > BTW my pedometer should be able to tell me the average , max & min speed I > walked, and the total > time and distance pretty simple stuff. > > > Brian Wilson wrote: >> One of the main reasons I got my Freerunner was to play with its GPS >> features. I want to be able to use it as a replacement for >> closed-source applications like TDS Solo Field and ESRI ArcPad. >> Especially I want something that would facilitate my volunteer >> "citizen scientist" work >> >> At the rate I am going I will probably never have more than 15 minutes >> a day to work towards this. >> In spite of this I decided to spell out what I have been thinking >> about in a wiki page because it would take too much space here and I >> think the interest might not be high enough to clutter up this very >> busy list with yet another very involved topic. >> >> I have a GPS in my pocket most of the time. I use a Garmin on my >> bicycles and on hikes. I have used various TDS and Trimble and ESRI >> products. Being a software developer I want something that I can tweak >> and tune and none of these commercial products even comes close to >> what I have in mind. >> >> Therefore I started this page: >> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Data_Logger to talk about it >> and the intro there says this: >> -- >> This page was created to address the use cases mentioned in GTA02 GPS, >> including >> >> * I want to log GPS data for later analysis. >> * I want to collect GPS data for scientific field work (forestry, >> biology, etc) >> >> The page was started on 17 August 2008 mostly as a thought exercise. >> Please jump in and add to it. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Brian Wilson >> Corvallis Oregon >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsm no longer registers on 2008.8
This is a known issue for 2008.8: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/2008.8#Known_Issues Tim On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:51 PM, tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hiya > > I haven't been able to make calls for a day or so under asu, I'm getting > "not registered" when I try and dial 121 (vodafone voicemail) from the > dialer app. It worked for a while after I installed 2008.8, I'm not sure > what I've done to it. > > What to do? > > I could always reflash if I've done something wrong, but it'd be nice to > at least figure out what went wrong first, or am I wasting my time? > > The sim is still working in my sony ericsson. > > Thanks > > Tim Abell > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Try to install MokoMake on openSuSE 11 fails
Hi, I have followed the instructions to install my OpenMoko development machine. The difference is that I am using openSuSE 11 instead of 10.3. One package was not installable via Yast (help2man) => Downloaded orginal source tgz and built it. Ok Installing BitBake was also not possible via Yast. Downloaded the package from BerlinOS. Here are the problems: setup.py was able to build, but not to install the package. There is a directory /usr/lib/python2.5/config and thus inside this file: Makefile Any ideas ? Thanks, Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Steve Mosher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As for new product in our store. Our distrubtors continue to take > everything we can build. So, check with them first. Its the same > product with the same or better pricing.Our goal is not to be in the > retail side of selling product but to empower our distributors. > Otherwise I have to spend a large amount of money building up a sales > and marketing staff. I would rather spend our money on engineering. > I would rather let those folks who already run distribution centers > use their expertise. So please check out the distributors. They > provide the same product at comparable prices. There's no distributor for Brazil. I became part of a group in the USA - I have contacts there - but there hasn't been a 900mhz phone sold via the online store yet. My group was assured you could mix 900mhz / 850mhz phones, bought a 850mhz phone that I can't use, and is waiting to exchange it. I've been reading this list forever without a phone to use. I understand your strategy may make general sense, but there be casualties. Just ranting. Any rough idea of when 900mhz phones will be available via the online store? - R ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gsm no longer registers on 2008.8
Hiya I haven't been able to make calls for a day or so under asu, I'm getting "not registered" when I try and dial 121 (vodafone voicemail) from the dialer app. It worked for a while after I installed 2008.8, I'm not sure what I've done to it. What to do? I could always reflash if I've done something wrong, but it'd be nice to at least figure out what went wrong first, or am I wasting my time? The sim is still working in my sony ericsson. Thanks Tim Abell ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tiny stylus in lanyard hole (warning: half-assed)
haha. I had the the same idea, except the stylus would be a bit longer and be L shaped with the short end of the "L" stuck in the foam and the long part of the "L" rested againt the back of the phone. If you get my drift. Nathan Kinkade wrote: > I questioned whether to post this here, as it's somewhat embarrassing. > I had an idea about how to store a tiny stylus in the lanyard hole at > the bottom of the Neo. The basic idea was to take some of the foam > from the Neo packaging, cut it to size and then stuff it snugly into > the hole. The idea was then to burn a hole through the middle of the > foam where possibly a tiny stylus-like device could be inserted and > would hold fast. Here is the first iteration: > http://natha.nkinka.de/stylus_lol/ > > Nathan > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Monday 18 August 2008 22:09:44 Daniel Benoy wrote: > I agree. I think the issue is that people don't realize it's a finger > keyboard. I showed it to my friends at work and they said "That's really > small!" and they laughed, having just bragged about their iphone.. and then > I typed in their names in about 1 second each and it dawned on them that > it's small on purpose. > > It's also not immediately evident that you can hold a letter and type words > that aren't in the dictionary. > > Perhaps this calls for little tooltips for new users. Yes, that is the only downside of this keyboard. The gestures and features are not easy to discover. But besides that I can write SMS and names during a ride with the public transportation (bus) easily. z. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wxWidgets libraries ?
On Monday 18 August 2008 22:26:35 Lothar Behrens wrote: > Am 18.08.2008 um 22:05 schrieb Holger Freyther: > > On Monday 18 August 2008 21:11:02 Lothar Behrens wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I found wxgtk libraries that could be installed on the FreeRunner. > >> Are > >> there also some aoolications based on or include in that library ? > > > > No, no app is using that library. But everything to build (headers + > > wxconfig) your app is present. > > Thanks, > > as of I am try to setup a development machine for openmoko, I will try > that. > > My own project is wxWidgets based, but also plain C++ parts without > wxWidgets :-) > So it would be great, if I could add an embedded platform to my > platform list. Cool, I just looked at the packages. The main package will install wxconfig and the -dev package should contain all headers. I assume our toolchain contains g++. The task of the distro team is to enable people to write and port software so feedback of what was easy, hard, impossible is welcome. z. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
well, we just revamped the whole site so we will find a way to add descriptions of the various software stacks. 1. shipping stack 2007. basic functionality. telephony, SMS, contacts. 2. Download stack: qtopia, a more polished end user experience, but it still has some bugs and doesnt fully expose all the hardware features 3. Download stack OM 2008. it's pre beta, but represents our way forward and will expose all the new hardware. 4. FSO. the new framework. It has some sample apps, like telephony. 5. Debian. I havent even looked at this yet. Freedom is a bit messy As for new product in our store. Our distrubtors continue to take everything we can build. So, check with them first. Its the same product with the same or better pricing.Our goal is not to be in the retail side of selling product but to empower our distributors. Otherwise I have to spend a large amount of money building up a sales and marketing staff. I would rather spend our money on engineering. I would rather let those folks who already run distribution centers use their expertise. So please check out the distributors. They provide the same product at comparable prices. Flyin_bbb8 wrote: >> To be >> completely fair to him if you go tot he Openmoko.com online store [1] >> [2] there's no indication that the Freerunner is anything less than a >> completed (and fully-polished) product. >> >> Stroller. >> >> >> [1] http://www.openmoko.com/product.html >> [2] http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner > > can someone fix this issue on the openmoko.com , there should be a > warning thing there about the software, Sean, Steve, Brenda, Michael? > anyone? the website needs an update really.. and this also ? --> The > next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th. , at > least that part to be removed? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia Wlan gui
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 09:55, julien cubizolles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le samedi 16 août 2008 à 17:06 +0200, Cédric Berger a écrit : >> >> I think it is in : >> /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0 > > In what field to you type your key ? > > I tried typing a bogus key from the gui and it didn't show anywhere in > this file, but appeared > in /home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf > > looks like /home/root/Settings/Network/wireless/eth0 is updated when trying to connect. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Best mixer settings? - call echo
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267 hope that helps. Tim Abell Thorben Krueger wrote: > Hi, > > The complexity of alsamixer overwhelms me. Well not really, but I > can't seem to make any difference in the crappy audio quality during > calls. Would anyone who has figured out how to get rid of the echo > during calls (or improved audio quality in general) please post their > *.state files somewhere? > > Thorben > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Garbled SMS messages with OM2008.8?
Holger Freyther wrote: > On Monday 18 August 2008 18:07:57 Warren Baird wrote: >> I've been running OM2008.8 on my freerunner for a little over a week now. >> For about a week, SMS's worked fine, but for the last few days the SMSs I >> receive have been garbled - a mixture of characters like ">?Èù¥£ì" > > Please see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1728, provide the output of > logread (if these SMS are not private... or send special SMS), and make sure > you do not run gsmd and qpe... I have seen this as well, I will get Rhys to look at it. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Essay about Openmoko
Hello, I want to prepare an essay about Mobile Linux with Openmoko, Neo1973 and FR for our LUG. I want to take focus about history, philosophy and the state of the developing (current technic, future). For the history and the philosophy of OM I need some nice links where I can grap some informations. Who has some? Let me participate. Thanx. -- mfg/br, christian Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wxWidgets libraries ?
Am 18.08.2008 um 22:19 schrieb M. Peterson: Hello Lothar and all http://retromessenger.sf.net is developed for OpenMoko with wxwidget library. The design is ready and the .a files are too. The gui is downloadable in the download section for linux and windows. So you can test. Would you like to join the project as a developer or anyone? Propably for testing, but first I need to setup a development host, that I just do. All other things - we will see :-) Regards Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS logger / field data collection
Hi Brian, I like this idea, I just added gpsd to my Qtopia build, and added some simple code to my Qtopia based sunset calculator I wrote eons ago for my Zaurus, the GPS part simply gets current lat and long to calculate sunset/sunrise at your current location. Previously I had a city selector for that. I also wanted a pedometer, and I like the idea of a data logger, because I can post process the data with numerous things. I was kind of surprised that gpsd didn't give me a simple way to just get the current location, I had to capture 5 sentences to do that simple thing, but what I really wanted was to simply get the last known lat and long I was at. With the data logger I can presumably do that by getting the last entry of the log. I think the first thing to answer is the log format, any progress on defining that? I'll work on code to extract the log info for a simple pedometer, also if you can define the log format I may be able to write an initial logger. I think the logger needs to be platform independent as I will be writing all my code for Qtopia, but obviously we have 3 of 4 platforms to deal with, and only the graphical part will be different. (GTK/X vs QT/FB). I also write in Ruby whenever possible, so we probably need a library that can read the log format from c/c++/python/ruby etc. (XML would be able to do that but I agree probably too verbose, how about tokenized XML?) BTW my pedometer should be able to tell me the average , max & min speed I walked, and the total time and distance pretty simple stuff. Brian Wilson wrote: > One of the main reasons I got my Freerunner was to play with its GPS > features. I want to be able to use it as a replacement for > closed-source applications like TDS Solo Field and ESRI ArcPad. > Especially I want something that would facilitate my volunteer > "citizen scientist" work > > At the rate I am going I will probably never have more than 15 minutes > a day to work towards this. > In spite of this I decided to spell out what I have been thinking > about in a wiki page because it would take too much space here and I > think the interest might not be high enough to clutter up this very > busy list with yet another very involved topic. > > I have a GPS in my pocket most of the time. I use a Garmin on my > bicycles and on hikes. I have used various TDS and Trimble and ESRI > products. Being a software developer I want something that I can tweak > and tune and none of these commercial products even comes close to > what I have in mind. > > Therefore I started this page: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Data_Logger to talk about it > and the intro there says this: > -- > This page was created to address the use cases mentioned in GTA02 GPS, > including > > * I want to log GPS data for later analysis. > * I want to collect GPS data for scientific field work (forestry, > biology, etc) > > The page was started on 17 August 2008 mostly as a thought exercise. > Please jump in and add to it. > > Cheers, > > Brian Wilson > Corvallis Oregon > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
compiling lincity
Hey guys! i want to compile the game lincity for the freerunner and everything worked fine, but it doesn't works. it wants to cd in the sources-dir pon my desktop (which is of course not available on my freerunner). so if anyone wants to help i would be happy if you drop me a line. bye, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Garbled SMS messages with OM2008.8?
On Monday 18 August 2008 18:07:57 Warren Baird wrote: > I've been running OM2008.8 on my freerunner for a little over a week now. > For about a week, SMS's worked fine, but for the last few days the SMSs I > receive have been garbled - a mixture of characters like ">?Èù¥£ì" Please see https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1728, provide the output of logread (if these SMS are not private... or send special SMS), and make sure you do not run gsmd and qpe... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wxWidgets libraries ?
Am 18.08.2008 um 22:05 schrieb Holger Freyther: On Monday 18 August 2008 21:11:02 Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, I found wxgtk libraries that could be installed on the FreeRunner. Are there also some aoolications based on or include in that library ? No, no app is using that library. But everything to build (headers + wxconfig) your app is present. Thanks, as of I am try to setup a development machine for openmoko, I will try that. My own project is wxWidgets based, but also plain C++ parts without wxWidgets :-) So it would be great, if I could add an embedded platform to my platform list. Lothar z. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
> To be > completely fair to him if you go tot he Openmoko.com online store [1] > [2] there's no indication that the Freerunner is anything less than a > completed (and fully-polished) product. > > Stroller. > > > [1] http://www.openmoko.com/product.html > [2] http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner can someone fix this issue on the openmoko.com , there should be a warning thing there about the software, Sean, Steve, Brenda, Michael? anyone? the website needs an update really.. and this also ? --> The next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th. , at least that part to be removed? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GPS logger / field data collection
One of the main reasons I got my Freerunner was to play with its GPS features. I want to be able to use it as a replacement for closed-source applications like TDS Solo Field and ESRI ArcPad. Especially I want something that would facilitate my volunteer "citizen scientist" work At the rate I am going I will probably never have more than 15 minutes a day to work towards this. In spite of this I decided to spell out what I have been thinking about in a wiki page because it would take too much space here and I think the interest might not be high enough to clutter up this very busy list with yet another very involved topic. I have a GPS in my pocket most of the time. I use a Garmin on my bicycles and on hikes. I have used various TDS and Trimble and ESRI products. Being a software developer I want something that I can tweak and tune and none of these commercial products even comes close to what I have in mind. Therefore I started this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Data_Logger to talk about it and the intro there says this: -- This page was created to address the use cases mentioned in GTA02 GPS, including * I want to log GPS data for later analysis. * I want to collect GPS data for scientific field work (forestry, biology, etc) The page was started on 17 August 2008 mostly as a thought exercise. Please jump in and add to it. Cheers, Brian Wilson Corvallis Oregon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Monday 18 August 2008 16:01:17 Lorn Potter wrote: > Brad Midgley wrote: > > Hey > > > > He did bother to make a video. It doesn't seem like he's using the > > time to just rip on OM, but he is bringing up specific issues. > > > > The screen really is too small to finger-tap a keyboard so it's > > unfortunate he's fixating on that particular issue (well maybe a > > redesigned keyboard would work in landscape mode...) > > I happen to think that Qtopia's predictive keyboard does really well for > using with a finger. The screen is not too small. > > > > I agree. I think the issue is that people don't realize it's a finger keyboard. I showed it to my friends at work and they said "That's really small!" and they laughed, having just bragged about their iphone.. and then I typed in their names in about 1 second each and it dawned on them that it's small on purpose. It's also not immediately evident that you can hold a letter and type words that aren't in the dictionary. Perhaps this calls for little tooltips for new users. -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: wxWidgets libraries ?
On Monday 18 August 2008 21:11:02 Lothar Behrens wrote: > Hi, > > I found wxgtk libraries that could be installed on the FreeRunner. Are > there also some aoolications based on or include in that library ? No, no app is using that library. But everything to build (headers + wxconfig) your app is present. z. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Brad Midgley wrote: > Hey > > He did bother to make a video. It doesn't seem like he's using the > time to just rip on OM, but he is bringing up specific issues. > > The screen really is too small to finger-tap a keyboard so it's > unfortunate he's fixating on that particular issue (well maybe a > redesigned keyboard would work in landscape mode...) I happen to think that Qtopia's predictive keyboard does really well for using with a finger. The screen is not too small. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WxPython and OpenMoko
2008/8/18 Francesco de Virgilio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi all, > simple dirty question: > does OpenMoko support WxPython? Or developers *must* use only PyGtk? If > don't, will be any possibility to have WxPython supported in future on > OM? Python has Qt bindings as well, if you use Qtopia. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WxPython and OpenMoko
On Monday 18 August 2008 19:51:51 Francesco de Virgilio wrote: > Hi all, > simple dirty question: > does OpenMoko support WxPython? Or developers *must* use only PyGtk? If > don't, will be any possibility to have WxPython supported in future on > OM? One is free to submit a wxPython recipe to OE, I'm glad to include the result in our present and future feeds. z. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
wxWidgets libraries ?
Hi, I found wxgtk libraries that could be installed on the FreeRunner. Are there also some aoolications based on or include in that library ? Yust to see it running :-) Thanks Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WxPython and OpenMoko
Hi all, simple dirty question: does OpenMoko support WxPython? Or developers *must* use only PyGtk? If don't, will be any possibility to have WxPython supported in future on OM? -- Francesco de Virgilio *Ubuntu-it Member and Wiki Editor* mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/FrancescoDeVirgilio *Wikimedia Italia Member* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fradeve11 *OpenStreetMap Mapper* http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Fradeve11 *Blog* http://fradeve.altervista.org "Love - Peace - Freedom - Free Software" ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
NEO1973/GTA01 GSM End User-upgradable firmware
I'm an owner of a Neo1973 / GTA01. On the wiki, it mentions: 12/09/2007 - We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties regarding the process that would allow you to upgrade your own GSM firmware. All that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! That was 8 months ago. What is the status of a solution to allow us end-users to upgrade the firmware? On a side note, I don't suppose a program for us Neo1973 owners to swap our phone for a discount on a Neo Freerunner has been considered (especially if the only way to get the GSM firmware update is to mail it for service)? I live in North America, and the Neo1973 is geared toward European frequencies; the power consuption on the Neo1973 makes it virtually unusable as a phone, and now most of the development effort is being directed toward the Freerunner and I'm afraid us Neo1973 owners will be left in the dark with an almost unusable phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
If you're referring to "lin2log" in the YouTube comments, then I don't think that's the guy who made the video. The video itself shows the name "Dave Freyam" when it opens, and he posted the video elsewhere about a week before that link was uploaded to YouTube. I don't think Freyam's done a fair review of the Freerunner, but I do credit him with more intelligence than that displayed by "lin2log". The comments that I attribute to Freyam seem to mostly have been posted using a nick / username of KirrinDave, and they're at least grammatically correct. From my interaction with Freyam, he seems mostly to be responding to the FSF article which disses the iPhone and offers Openmoko / the Freerunner as a potential alternative. I might speculate that one of Freyam's buddies or office-mate's bought a Freerunner on the basis of this, and he feels short-changed because he wasn't aware of the Freerunner's development status at the time of purchase. To be completely fair to him if you go tot he Openmoko.com online store [1] [2] there's no indication that the Freerunner is anything less than a completed (and fully-polished) product. Stroller. [1] http://www.openmoko.com/product.html [2] http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner On 18 Aug 2008, at 16:19, James Thomas Snell wrote: > In the past I wasted far too much time going back and forth with > that dude on the YouTube comment system. The thing is - if you read > the comments, he's really really trying to provoke people. My > initial comment to him was that I actually agreed with a number of > the points he made, but felt that his evaluation was flawed in that > it failed to asses what the OpenMoko Neo is all about - providing a > dev platform. Anyway - his replies were extremely irrational and > highly entertaining. I think we can take some good useability > pointers away, but keep in mind this dude is out to envoke a > response from people so that he can freak out at whatever comments > they leave and try to make himself look like a genious. > > ... >>> hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to >>> check out his >>> comments!!! >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On 18 Aug 2008, at 05:49, Flyin_bbb8 wrote: hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his comments!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk I wrote a really long rebuttal to this video on Reddit, when it first appeared a month ago. The guy who made the video replied, so he is aware of the criticism of his "review". You can read his response at http://preview.tinyurl.com/6lqkjq Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
> The guy is notorious. > > http://www.lickmyback.com/the-openmoko-freerunner-first-impressions/ > "Just remember to take it for what it is - an open-source development platform and project designed to put mobile technology back in the hands of the people who use it, not a consumer-ready fashion statement meant for every day use. " What an incredibly short-sited fellow, eh? Doesn't he know that the real hackers are currently banking ca$h selling micro-SD pre-config'ed packages, 10 and 20 at a time, to people who are most definitely, in fashion. oh wait, thats just the edge of it. never mind. pay no attention. there is no train, and thus no wreck. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
> The problem of this is: you would have to review them every 1 or 2 > weeks > because they change so rapidly. so? that'd provide a very lively view of the scene indeed, and i think thats needed. i can't personally set up and run the site myself, or i'd just as well do it, but i most certainly would participate in a weblog'y all- openmoko-news-and-reviews-all-the-time sort of scene with weekly news and updates. what is hot, what works, what is frustrating, what is b0rked, what is fresh, etc. frankly, what development is happening now is not being blagged enough about.. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian and numptyphysics
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Aapo Rantalainen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Video added. (via youtube) > And I almost forget that keyboard works like a charm. (that default > matchbox-keyboard) > -Aapo Rantalainen > Much thanks. Very, very cool. -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tiny stylus in lanyard hole (warning: half-assed)
someone with skills could design a small version of this to go on the back of the case. mounting the stylus vertically http://www.rodmounts.com/ Jeffrey Malone wrote: > I'm waiting for someone to do a nice mod to fit a stylus inside the case. > > There is space for one methinks: > http://ext.tehinterweb.com/freerunner/pics/dsc_5020.jpg > Look at the big long chunk of free space next to the AUX button. > > Additionally, you could probably put your paperclip through the left speaker > hole, and it could sit in the space where the audio reverberates, under that > white plastic... > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 7:34 PM, Nathan Kinkade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2008/8/17 nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> I love it. Very MacGuyver ;) I wonder if you could squeeze a rubber-band >>> and a paperclip in there as well :D >>> -Nick >> Well, there is already a part of a paper clip in there, so it wouldn't >> be too much of a stretch to fit in a rubber band, or at least part of >> one. ;-) >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Garbled SMS messages with OM2008.8?
I've been running OM2008.8 on my freerunner for a little over a week now. For about a week, SMS's worked fine, but for the last few days the SMSs I receive have been garbled - a mixture of characters like ">?Èù¥£ì" Any one have any ideas what might cause this, or what I can do to fix it? Warren ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
Am 18. August 2008 10:58 schrieb Lothar Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > is this an alternative stylus ? > http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=16138 > Regards > Lothar > > -- > Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... > Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration > 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de > I have added this stylus to the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Stylus_Alternatives ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian and numptyphysics
Video added. (via youtube) And I almost forget that keyboard works like a charm. (that default matchbox-keyboard) -Aapo Rantalainen > >> >> Sources+data+binary >> http://lauta.dyndns.org/freerunner/index.html >> (not .deb yet) > > Looks pretty good in the picture. Would you make a video of Numptyphysics in > action? I haven't gotten my Freerunner yet and I'd like to at least watch a > video of the things I can't play with yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
In the past I wasted far too much time going back and forth with that dude on the YouTube comment system. The thing is - if you read the comments, he's really really trying to provoke people. My initial comment to him was that I actually agreed with a number of the points he made, but felt that his evaluation was flawed in that it failed to asses what the OpenMoko Neo is all about - providing a dev platform. Anyway - his replies were extremely irrational and highly entertaining. I think we can take some good useability pointers away, but keep in mind this dude is out to envoke a response from people so that he can freak out at whatever comments they leave and try to make himself look like a genious. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Aaron Sowry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel Benoy wrote: > > On Monday 18 August 2008 00:49:52 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > > > >> hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out > his > >> comments!!! > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > >> > >> > > > > Yeah what an eyeroller :p > > > The guy is notorious. > > http://www.lickmyback.com/the-openmoko-freerunner-first-impressions/ > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Daniel Benoy wrote: > On Monday 18 August 2008 00:49:52 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > >> hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his >> comments!!! >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk >> >> > > Yeah what an eyeroller :p > The guy is notorious. http://www.lickmyback.com/the-openmoko-freerunner-first-impressions/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Am Montag 18 August 2008 16:41:07 schrieb Jay Vaughan: > > My thought as I watched it was "which OS should he really be trying > > out?" > > Thats really the million-dollar question. If only there were a site > that was dedicated to trying all the possible distributions (what are > there now, 7 or 8 different things to run on a Freerunner) and make > solid conclusions so that we could decide without having to go through > hoops ourselves .. > > ; > -- > Jay Vaughan The problem of this is: you would have to review them every 1 or 2 weeks because they change so rapidly. Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Mon 18 August 2008 om 16:27:48 GMT Kalle Happonen told us: > Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check > > out his comments!!! > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > > Not as much stupid as not grasping where/what OpenMoko is. Now the > comments. They were pretty much written by idiots :). > http://xkcd.com/202/ -- "Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." -- Frank Zappa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacing the Openmoko Touchscreen
John Koenig wrote: > Otherwise, it is possible to remove the screen and it required nothing > more than the guitar pick that I used to open the case. The only tricky > part was the connection to the main board. There is a small black > locking mechanism that flips up and allows for the LCD panel to be > disconnected from the main board. > Also, one must be very careful when removing the ribbon which connects the LCD panel. When I removed my LCD, that ribbon got a tear in it. Good luck with the replacement John. cheers, Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
> My thought as I watched it was "which OS should he really be trying > out?" Thats really the million-dollar question. If only there were a site that was dedicated to trying all the possible distributions (what are there now, 7 or 8 different things to run on a Freerunner) and make solid conclusions so that we could decide without having to go through hoops ourselves .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian and numptyphysics
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Aapo Rantalainen < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I got numptyphysics working on debian. > > Sources+data+binary > http://lauta.dyndns.org/freerunner/index.html > (not .deb yet) Looks pretty good in the picture. Would you make a video of Numptyphysics in action? I haven't gotten my Freerunner yet and I'd like to at least watch a video of the things I can't play with yet. -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: full-keyboard for Om 2008.08? -> SOLVED ?
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:01:29 -0700 "Nathan Kinkade" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > the info on the wiki is mostly misleading when it comes to the keyboard > and > what to do or how it works. beware. i need to write up a full list of all > the > things illume can do, does and what you are currently limited in (and what > you > can hack around with but you'll be entering "world of hurt" area etc.). > Terminal.kbd is what i renamed it too. as its really intended for use with > "terminals". default is the default kbd - more for the default use of the > phone... "plain english" (sms, email etc.). > Indeed, I too found out that the keyboard in default 2008.8 is only "plain english", but I'm Dutch, and most of my texts would be in Dutch as well. So that makes that keyboard less than functional for me. BTW, as a test, I tried to type "Laporte" with the keyboard, since I heard from Leo Laporte that on the Iphone his name was very hard to type. And it seems that it's just impossible to type it on the Openmoko 2008.8 stock keyboard. I'm also going to test how to work with the keyboard when in a terminal mode, since I'm yet to be able to hit enter after entering a command. (typing the command works, but then pressing enter to execute it has yet to function for me) I could be doing something wrong, but I'm not sure. === Marcel de Jong -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/full-keyboard-for-Om-2008.08--tp681538p730880.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check > out his comments!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk Not as much stupid as not grasping where/what OpenMoko is. Now the comments. They were pretty much written by idiots :). Kalle ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
debian and numptyphysics
Hi, I got numptyphysics working on debian. No cross-compiling needed, just copy sources to Freerunner and 'make' (apt-get install build-essential and some dev libs) There are just couple of modification. Main point is that images must be resized for freerunner. I used data of Michael Kluges ipk-package. [1] Sources+data+binary http://lauta.dyndns.org/freerunner/index.html (not .deb yet) [1] http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openmoko-community/2008/7/30/2747634 -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Am Montag 18 August 2008 15:54:24 schrieb Daniel Benoy: > On Monday 18 August 2008 00:49:52 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out > > his comments!!! > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > > Yeah what an eyeroller :p > > I've said this before, but I think openmoko should not have shipped this > version of the phone with any software. The big problem people have with > this (and with Linux on the PC) is that they're used to having no choice. > > They're used to being told exactly what on-screen keyboard they have to > use, and what interface they have to bring up their software, and when > they're allowed to cough or scratch their butts. When they see the nasty > matchbox keyboard, they balk and say 'This is what they've given us? That > makes this $400 investment totally useless!! Might as well pitch it out > now! Might as well use it as a paperweight!' or whatever their complaint > is, they assume it means the device is flawed. > > I've encountered the same ignorance when trying to explain Linux on the > desktop as well. People will complain and say 'They make you type in > commands? How primitive!' when they see me using the console. Or they'll > say 'Why don't they just use a taskbar? Linux sucks.' when using Gnome, > and the idea of installing KDE instead is totally alien to them. > > I don't think we can call them 'stupid', just misinformed, really. It's a > cultural thing that's going to require a lot of education. Although, it > does smack of nitpicking sometimes. > > Another fundimental problem is that people don't realize getting an > unlocked iPhone costs twice as much as an openmoko phone. Although this guy is partly simply correct - you made the point. Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
Hey He did bother to make a video. It doesn't seem like he's using the time to just rip on OM, but he is bringing up specific issues. The screen really is too small to finger-tap a keyboard so it's unfortunate he's fixating on that particular issue (well maybe a redesigned keyboard would work in landscape mode...) My thought as I watched it was "which OS should he really be trying out?" Brad On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 10:49 PM, Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his > comments!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- Brad ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
On Monday 18 August 2008 00:49:52 Flyin_bbb8 wrote: > hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his > comments!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk > Yeah what an eyeroller :p I've said this before, but I think openmoko should not have shipped this version of the phone with any software. The big problem people have with this (and with Linux on the PC) is that they're used to having no choice. They're used to being told exactly what on-screen keyboard they have to use, and what interface they have to bring up their software, and when they're allowed to cough or scratch their butts. When they see the nasty matchbox keyboard, they balk and say 'This is what they've given us? That makes this $400 investment totally useless!! Might as well pitch it out now! Might as well use it as a paperweight!' or whatever their complaint is, they assume it means the device is flawed. I've encountered the same ignorance when trying to explain Linux on the desktop as well. People will complain and say 'They make you type in commands? How primitive!' when they see me using the console. Or they'll say 'Why don't they just use a taskbar? Linux sucks.' when using Gnome, and the idea of installing KDE instead is totally alien to them. I don't think we can call them 'stupid', just misinformed, really. It's a cultural thing that's going to require a lot of education. Although, it does smack of nitpicking sometimes. Another fundimental problem is that people don't realize getting an unlocked iPhone costs twice as much as an openmoko phone. -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2.5mm neo to 3.5mm stereo adaptor
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 13:55 (+0200), Benito wrote: > I think I'll try that 3-ring-adapter sold by handynow.de (link 4) and > post my experience to this thread later. Short update, in case somebody is waiting: The adaptors arrived but they have only 2 rings and don't fit well to the freerunner (stereo-sound only with fiddling). I've asked for replacement and am waiting for an answer now. At the moment ordering this adaptor isn't recommendable. > Bye, > /Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPRS under FSO [Was: Re: What could be done to improve the OM development process?]
On 15/08/08 15:20:53, Benito Torres wrote: > > On the cpu-hogging: playing mp3s takes constantly ~30% (with and > without > pulseaudio). But mplayer also uses 25%, while in OM2007.2 it was > around > 10%. So maybe this is not a mediaplayer-issue but one of the > sound-subsystem? In FSO just go into the terminal and do "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and MPlayer will use less cpu. Michael. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Purchasing Neo Freerunner in the UK
2008/8/18 yangm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I want to buy a openmoko. how to connect you ? and price? > I'm living Cambridge for a business travel, and I will go back China at Sep > 5th. Get them from here https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=OpenMoko for £272 > How can I pay ? cash or credit card of Bank Of China. Not sure, contact truebox here https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=ContactUs and ask them. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: agps-online binary
On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:25 +0200, Yorick Moko wrote: > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:16 PM, digger vermont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 10:12 +0200, Yorick Moko wrote: > >> Wonka made a python script "agps-alm.py" for it, but i lost the url. > >> He's on IRC (irc.freenode.net #openmoko) > >> > > > > Okay, I like python! I'll see if I can locate it. Thanks for the hint. > > digger > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > think this is the one > (see attachment) Yorick, I've been working on learning Python. After your last email I was inspired to try writing my own agps_online.py I got to try playing with sockets and learned something new. So it was interesting to compare what I wrote with agps-alm.py that you had attached. I'm happy to say that my implementation wasn't that bad but agps-alm.py does seem more elegant. I'll have to actually try them tomorrow. Thanks for locating and sending the script, digger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacing the Openmoko Touchscreen
On Monday 18 August 2008 14:23, John Koenig wrote: > It seems possible to get it replaced and it is pretty reasonable in > terms of price as well (57 USD + 20 USD for shipping) . I have been in > communication with this Chinese reseller: > > http://www.qinyielectronics.com > > I am going to be completing the transaction with them today. If you > want to hold off purchasing until after I receive mine; I will be sure > to post up the aftermath. At least that way if they are fraudulent only > one of us will be out the cash ;). That's sounds far better then buying a whole new freerunner. I'll wait and see what happens to your order first... AVee -- Program testing can be a very effective way to show the presence of bugs, but is hopelessly inadequate for showing their absence. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacing the Openmoko Touchscreen
It seems possible to get it replaced and it is pretty reasonable in terms of price as well (57 USD + 20 USD for shipping) . I have been in communication with this Chinese reseller: http://www.qinyielectronics.com I am going to be completing the transaction with them today. If you want to hold off purchasing until after I receive mine; I will be sure to post up the aftermath. At least that way if they are fraudulent only one of us will be out the cash ;). Otherwise, it is possible to remove the screen and it required nothing more than the guitar pick that I used to open the case. The only tricky part was the connection to the main board. There is a small black locking mechanism that flips up and allows for the LCD panel to be disconnected from the main board. I haven't heard much from Koolu (my reseller) yet as to whether or not they would be willing to RMA the system. Last time they checked in with me they were contacting the manufacturer to "see if it was even possible." John AVee wrote: > On Wednesday 13 August 2008 23:29, John Koenig wrote: > >> Is it possible to remove the touchscreen from its mounting on the >> GTA02? Visually it looks possible, but it certainly doesn't seem to >> want to come out easily. >> > > Did you actually manage to get a new sceen yet? I #%([EMAIL > PROTECTED]@#)$#%)[EMAIL PROTECTED] dropped my > freerunner on the pavement which broke the screen. > > Please keeps us updated if you are actually going to repair your freerunner. > I'm not very keen on getting a whole new freerunner just because the screen > is broken. Anyone around with a GTA01 to get rid off or a freerunner which is > broken in some other way? > > If that doesn't work i'll have to find some use for a 400Mhz low power debian > system. > > A few lessons learned during my holiday: > - The freerunner does work at altitudes above 2000m. > - It will also work fine at speeds around 180 km/h... > - ...but operating the touchscreen while driving isn't that easy. > - (Up to ~140Km/h the speedometer of my car is remarkably accurate). > - Just a heading towards your destination is generally quite usefull... > - ...but less usefull when there's a huge mountain inbetween. > - You can only use it as just GPS for more around 6 hours. > - A nokia BL-5C makes a fine spare battery. > - A toothpick is perfectly useable as a styles, cheaper to replace as well. > - An cheapo usb car charger will happily charge at 1 amp. > - You can drag it up and down a few mountains without problems. > - You will break it during a 'save' trip to a nice old village... > > AVee > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Purchasing Neo Freerunner in the UK
I want to buy a openmoko. how to connect you ? and price? I'm living Cambridge for a business travel, and I will go back China at Sep 5th. How can I pay ? cash or credit card of Bank Of China. Waiting your response. Thanks. Yang Ming. 2008/7/25 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Ross, > > I work for Oxford Archaeology, we're startign to distribute > FreeRunners to various people for the purposes of encouraging > development and general community good will. I've recently been told > that our prices are less than other resellers too! > > Drop me an email if you'd like a FreeRunner from us. > > Best regards, > > Joseph > > http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/ > > > > 2008/7/24 Ross Woodruff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Hope this is the right mailing list to ask this but I am just wondering > > where people in the UK purchased their FreeRunners from. I'm thinking of > > getting one in the near future and just wondering if anybody has used > > the TrueBox distributor or if you bought yours elsewhere, perhaps > > somewhere else in Europe... > > > > I'd just like to see which would be the best place for me to purchase a > > FreeRunner if there is anywhere else that ships to the UK and will work > > on a UK phone network (I'm on O2). > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian - alsa sound ?
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:55:46 +0200 Stefan Schweizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you tried > > alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/stereoout.state restore Yes but this changes nothing. The same errors as I posted before. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
> the FSO packaging team of the Debian project[1] is happy to announce > that we have started to provide installation procedures and packages > required to have your FreeRunner[2] run Debian-powered. This is really great news! Hooray for Debian rescuing us from the Freerunner dilemna! ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO vs. OM2008.8
Well, telephony under OM2008.8 doesn't work for me (bug #1766, https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1766), so I'm trying to install FSO. If I understand correctly, telephony is handled differently in 2008.8 and FSO, where it's a qtopia app in 2008.8, and FSO is writing a dbus service to handle telephony. Long term, it seems better to work on the FSO services than the QTopia apps. I'm trying to install FSO on my SD card, but having problems which I asked about in a previous e-mail to the list today. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian - alsa sound ?
* Sebastian Ohl: > i tried to turn my gta02 into a musicplayer on the debian distro. does > anyone managed to get any sound out of it ? i see that the alsa modules > are loaded and the alsamixer says every volume value is at its maximum. > so what am i doing wrong by calling mpg321 .mp3 . the player says > it is playing but there is no sound not from the speaker nor from a > headset i pluged in. > > any suggestions what i'm doing wrong? Have you tried alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/stereoout.state restore ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacing the Openmoko Touchscreen
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 23:29, John Koenig wrote: > Is it possible to remove the touchscreen from its mounting on the > GTA02? Visually it looks possible, but it certainly doesn't seem to > want to come out easily. Did you actually manage to get a new sceen yet? I #%([EMAIL PROTECTED]@#)$#%)[EMAIL PROTECTED] dropped my freerunner on the pavement which broke the screen. Please keeps us updated if you are actually going to repair your freerunner. I'm not very keen on getting a whole new freerunner just because the screen is broken. Anyone around with a GTA01 to get rid off or a freerunner which is broken in some other way? If that doesn't work i'll have to find some use for a 400Mhz low power debian system. A few lessons learned during my holiday: - The freerunner does work at altitudes above 2000m. - It will also work fine at speeds around 180 km/h... - ...but operating the touchscreen while driving isn't that easy. - (Up to ~140Km/h the speedometer of my car is remarkably accurate). - Just a heading towards your destination is generally quite usefull... - ...but less usefull when there's a huge mountain inbetween. - You can only use it as just GPS for more around 6 hours. - A nokia BL-5C makes a fine spare battery. - A toothpick is perfectly useable as a styles, cheaper to replace as well. - An cheapo usb car charger will happily charge at 1 amp. - You can drag it up and down a few mountains without problems. - You will break it during a 'save' trip to a nice old village... AVee -- Q) Which came first, the multithreaded chicken or the multithreaded egg? A) They came at the same time, but the multithreaded chicken terminated first. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO vs. OM2008.8
Hi, >for the time being 2008.8 might be the better choice -- it offers the same >functionality as fso but a lot of additional applications, too. OK, thanks for this info. Acutally, when trying FSO I had the feeling it might be a bit faster starting applications. However, didn't perform any measurements. Katrin -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/FSO-vs.-OM2008.8-tp730298p730593.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:19 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> well these guys obviously think all their customers are stupid, found >> this on their main page > > sorry? > >> 1. Increase your productivity by up to 30%! >> 2. Prolong the life of your touch screen and PDA. >> 3. Decrease the need to clean your screen. >> 4. TrueTip styluses reduce costly repairs due to damage done by >> foreign objects and fingernails. >> 5. Using TrueTip styli will eliminate scratches, smudges, smears, >> marks, food prints, and oils, and ink from your PDA or touch screen." > > > what part strikes you as "stupid"? hmm, oils 'n ink from your PDA or touch screens? > >> (number 5 makes sense the most) <-- do germans get this once arne? :p > > beg your pardon? it was sarcasm, no offense there, sorry if i couldn't make that more understandable, Lothar it might be useful, can't answer as i also haven't tried such stylii :), number 1 might be true in the end? but 5 doesn't sound quite correct :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Navit language?
Hi everybody, i want to change the default language in which navit speaks to german but i don't find the necessary config for this. I use rev 1255 with map move speed patch and everything (else) works fine. :) Now i tried a simple "export LANG=de_DE" and started navit but this seems to have no effect at all. I also installed the package "navit-locale-de" for this purpose. I see that in the source tree within the directory "po" all the language files exist. I also changed the navit.xml entry for the speech engine to "spd-say -l de '%s'" which pronounces the sentences the german way. But the sentence strings still comes in english to the speech engine. I tried to find the needed information in the navit wiki, but i only found the needed changes to the speech entry in the navit.xml. But this entry just changes the way the sentence is spoken, not the language navit reports the sentences. :( Can anybody say me where the option to change the language is? Or must it be compiled with the wanted language and it can't be changed afterwards? Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gestures now working on fso-testing
Am Montag 18 August 2008 13:29:43 schrieb Mike Baroukh: > > Especially the screen orientation change works fine and is really useful. > > What do you mean with "especially" ? > For me, it works as for OM2008.8 : there is always a problem with screen > calibration when horizontal ... > Not with your's ? The calibration still isn't correct, that's true. But the software part of changing the orientation in the xserver is just fine. Marcel > Marcel a écrit : > > Especially the screen orientation change works fine and is really useful. > > Great work! > > > > Marcel > > > > Am Montag 18 August 2008 10:51:18 schrieb Paul-Valentin Borza: > >> I'm happy now... Thanks Denis. > >> I'll try the new FSO image today :) > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Denis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > >>> Those who may be interested in the gestures project > >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures. > >>> After some assist today kudos to rwhitby to get some prerequisite > >>> packages built into the feeds, I have successfully installed the > >>> gestures package on latest fso-testing image. Gesture training, > >>> recognition and screen orientation flipping works and so far I have not > >>> encountered any problems. > >>> > >>> images and feeds used: http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ > >>> openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080817-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary > >>> neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin > >>> > >>> gesture package: > >>> http://accelges.googlecode.com/files/accelges_0.1.0-svnr204-r2_armv4t.i > >>>pk > >>> > >>> Followed basic instruction on wiki: > >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures > >>> > >>> > >>> Enjoy, Denis > >>> > >>> irc: hipitihop on #openmoko > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Openmoko community mailing list > >>> community@lists.openmoko.org > >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gestures now working on fso-testing
2008/8/18 Mike Baroukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Especially the screen orientation change works fine and is really useful. > What do you mean with "especially" ? > For me, it works as for OM2008.8 : there is always a problem with screen > calibration when horizontal ... > Not with your's ? The screen calibration is partially fixed in the last kernel's and FSO images, for me work's fine right now :) Best regards, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org > > Marcel a écrit : > > Especially the screen orientation change works fine and is really useful. > > Great work! > > > > Marcel > > > > Am Montag 18 August 2008 10:51:18 schrieb Paul-Valentin Borza: > > > >> I'm happy now... Thanks Denis. > >> I'll try the new FSO image today :) > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Denis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >> > > wrote: > > > >>> Those who may be interested in the gestures project > >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures. > >>> After some assist today kudos to rwhitby to get some prerequisite > >>> packages built into the feeds, I have successfully installed the > gestures > >>> package on latest fso-testing image. Gesture training, recognition and > >>> screen orientation flipping works and so far I have not encountered any > >>> problems. > >>> > >>> images and feeds used: http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ > >>> openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080817-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary > >>> neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin > >>> > >>> gesture package: > >>> > http://accelges.googlecode.com/files/accelges_0.1.0-svnr204-r2_armv4t.ipk > >>> > >>> Followed basic instruction on wiki: > >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures > >>> > >>> > >>> Enjoy, Denis > >>> > >>> irc: hipitihop on #openmoko > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Openmoko community mailing list > >>> community@lists.openmoko.org > >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > >>> > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Opie-Reader qpk for the Qtopia distro
I've had at least one report that it is at least usable and working reasonably well so it is probably worth adding to the feed - it seems to be at least good enough to read a few ebooks with and I'll make it all a bit nicer when I get a chance. 2008/8/17 Tim Wentford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Of course you can add it to the feed (the Greenphone was the original test > environment, after all 8^). > But check it works first > > It is pretty much optimised for the Greenphone ATM, other than I flipped > the flag to use screen touches for navigation so it is usable. > > Does the "touch and hold" right mouse button emulation work on the > Freerunner? If not, it'll be painful "swapping mouse actions" to select > navigation links, and then swapping back for page up/down etc. > > If it proves popular enough, and I can't get a build environment working, > I'll go back to Qtopia again and sort it out. > > 2008/8/17 Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Tim Wentford wrote: >> > I've used the Qtopia SDK to build an Opie-Reader package for the Qtopia >> > image since it is the only SDK I can get working ATM. >> > >> > Now that Opie seems fairly irrelevant to the Freerunner I've renamed >> > Opie-Reader to ArriereGo (thanks to Guylhem Aznar for the new name >> > suggestion). >> > >> > I'm persisting with the 2008.08 image ATM since I am using my Greenphone >> > as an actual phone, and I'm hoping to actually be able to build a QT app >> > for 2008.08 one day, so I have no way of testing the current build, >> > though a previous build did work. Could the first person to try it >> > please reply to this thread with a confirmation of success or failure. >> > >> > You can get it at: >> > >> > http://www.timwentford.uklinux.net/ArriereGo_1.0.0-2_arm.qpk >> > >> > It defaults to using screen taps for page up/down/back/home/forward with >> > the screen divided up like: >> > >> > UUU >> > BHF >> > DDD >> > >> > Where U is page-up (i.e. top third of screen, etc), B is back, H is >> > home, F is forward and D is page down. >> > >> > If it doesn't work, and I don't get enough spare time to get a working >> > SDK for QT apps under 2008.08, I'll go back to Qtopia and fix it so let >> > me know. >> >> Would it be ok for me to add this to the feed at qtopia.net? That way >> people can install it without having to setup a local web server . >> >> -- >> Lorn 'ljp' Potter >> Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gestures now working on fso-testing
> > Especially the screen orientation change works fine and is really useful. What do you mean with "especially" ? For me, it works as for OM2008.8 : there is always a problem with screen calibration when horizontal ... Not with your's ? Marcel a écrit : > Especially the screen orientation change works fine and is really useful. > Great work! > > Marcel > > Am Montag 18 August 2008 10:51:18 schrieb Paul-Valentin Borza: > >> I'm happy now... Thanks Denis. >> I'll try the new FSO image today :) >> >> Paul >> >> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Denis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > wrote: > >>> Those who may be interested in the gestures project >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures. >>> After some assist today kudos to rwhitby to get some prerequisite >>> packages built into the feeds, I have successfully installed the gestures >>> package on latest fso-testing image. Gesture training, recognition and >>> screen orientation flipping works and so far I have not encountered any >>> problems. >>> >>> images and feeds used: http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ >>> openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080817-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary >>> neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin >>> >>> gesture package: >>> http://accelges.googlecode.com/files/accelges_0.1.0-svnr204-r2_armv4t.ipk >>> >>> Followed basic instruction on wiki: >>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures >>> >>> >>> Enjoy, Denis >>> >>> irc: hipitihop on #openmoko >>> >>> ___ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community@lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gestures now working on fso-testing
Especially the screen orientation change works fine and is really useful. Great work! Marcel Am Montag 18 August 2008 10:51:18 schrieb Paul-Valentin Borza: > I'm happy now... Thanks Denis. > I'll try the new FSO image today :) > > Paul > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Denis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Those who may be interested in the gestures project > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures. > > After some assist today kudos to rwhitby to get some prerequisite > > packages built into the feeds, I have successfully installed the gestures > > package on latest fso-testing image. Gesture training, recognition and > > screen orientation flipping works and so far I have not encountered any > > problems. > > > > images and feeds used: http://shr.bearstech.com/fso-testing/ > > openmoko-fso-image-glibc-ipk--20080817-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2.summary > > neo1973/uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin > > > > gesture package: > > http://accelges.googlecode.com/files/accelges_0.1.0-svnr204-r2_armv4t.ipk > > > > Followed basic instruction on wiki: > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer-based_Gestures > > > > > > Enjoy, Denis > > > > irc: hipitihop on #openmoko > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
Have a look at ebay: http://cgi.ebay.de/Thumb-Stylus-3-Pack-for-PDA-Nintendo-DS-Finger-Stylus_W0QQitemZ140257423792QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140257423792&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 http://cgi.ebay.de/3-x-Finger-Thumb-Stylus-for-PDA-Cell-phone-touch-screen_W0QQitemZ380055202311QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380055202311&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 http://cgi.ebay.de/Silicon-Finger-Pens-Stylus-Nintendo-DS-Lite-x2-PAIR-UK_W0QQitemZ160272468278QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160272468278&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 christian Am Montag, den 18.08.2008, 10:58 +0200 schrieb Lothar Behrens: > Hi, > > > is this an alternative stylus ? > > > http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=16138 > > > Regards > > > Lothar > > -- > Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... > Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration > 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
It was only a suggestion. I am not sure if it is really useful :-) Lothar Am 18.08.2008 um 12:09 schrieb Flyin_bbb8: well these guys obviously think all their customers are stupid, found this on their main page "Here are just five of the many benefits of our finger stylus and pen cap stylus: 1. Increase your productivity by up to 30%! 2. Prolong the life of your touch screen and PDA. 3. Decrease the need to clean your screen. 4. TrueTip styluses reduce costly repairs due to damage done by foreign objects and fingernails. 5. Using TrueTip styli will eliminate scratches, smudges, smears, marks, food prints, and oils, and ink from your PDA or touch screen." (number 5 makes sense the most) <-- do germans get this once arne? :p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
> well these guys obviously think all their customers are stupid, found > this on their main page sorry? > 1. Increase your productivity by up to 30%! > 2. Prolong the life of your touch screen and PDA. > 3. Decrease the need to clean your screen. > 4. TrueTip styluses reduce costly repairs due to damage done by > foreign objects and fingernails. > 5. Using TrueTip styli will eliminate scratches, smudges, smears, > marks, food prints, and oils, and ink from your PDA or touch screen." what part strikes you as "stupid"? > (number 5 makes sense the most) <-- do germans get this once arne? :p beg your pardon? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Micro SDHC card working ?
Am Montag 18 August 2008 10:50:49 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Lothar Behrens > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have found this product and like to ask if it is compatible with > > FreeRunner. > > http://www.shoxx.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/7919?sID=2e84a0 > >91a4cd9fb0bd4cd79aa583aa58 Is it ? > > Thanks > > Lothar > > I have a similar 8GB SanDisk and it works ok. There has been some > partition info loss bug reps and stuff. But generally it should be ok. > > r My 4gig sandisk sdhc card works fine (access, booting from it), too. Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
well these guys obviously think all their customers are stupid, found this on their main page "Here are just five of the many benefits of our finger stylus and pen cap stylus: 1. Increase your productivity by up to 30%! 2. Prolong the life of your touch screen and PDA. 3. Decrease the need to clean your screen. 4. TrueTip styluses reduce costly repairs due to damage done by foreign objects and fingernails. 5. Using TrueTip styli will eliminate scratches, smudges, smears, marks, food prints, and oils, and ink from your PDA or touch screen." (number 5 makes sense the most) <-- do germans get this once arne? :p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
nice one :p well check this one out... this is the stylus all of you need to go and get it now, it's the 'fashion' :p "One of our customers asked for a clip to keep their tethered stylus from dangling. So, we found the perfect clip to keep the tethered stylus, inkless stylus, finger or pen cap stylus in place. Clip has an adhesive pad that sticks to most surfaces. Great way to keep your TrueTip styli in one location! Bag of 10 white clips." http://store01.prostores.com/servlet/truetip/Detail?no=45 I think this is more about being cool than being practical. It reminds me > some heavy metal/emo artifact like this: > > > http://www.elcallejondelinfierno.com/images/categories/garra%20cruz%20malta.jpg > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
>> http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=16138 > > poses the question where to put when you don't need it. a little regular > stylus (i i use those for nintendo ds after some sharpening/shortening) > can be put in your pocket w/o much harm, but that thing looks a bit bulky. > I think this is more about being cool than being practical. It reminds me some heavy metal/emo artifact like this: http://www.elcallejondelinfierno.com/images/categories/garra%20cruz%20malta.jpg (I think it could also work). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
"Fits most fingers", haha how would they know that? :p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
> http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=16138 poses the question where to put when you don't need it. a little regular stylus (i i use those for nintendo ds after some sharpening/shortening) can be put in your pocket w/o much harm, but that thing looks a bit bulky. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
Lothar Behrens a écrit : > Hi, > > is this an alternative stylus ? > > http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=16138 > I know there are many accessory kits for the Nintendo DS that have this kind of finger stylus, and they are cheap (I've seen in a market a kit with several stylus for 3 or 4 euros). I'll see this evening if my girlfriend has one for her DS Lite (I remember having seen one) to test it on my FR. Regards, Nicolas. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko-message2 problem?
Hi all: i'm debugging openmo-messages2 app on host, with a external modem. if i select the "Unknow sender" in the contact note page, the sms will not be displayed in the note page, the method "jana_store_get_component" always return NULL, does anyone solve this problem before, i have beem confused by this for a few days, thanks. tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO vs. OM2008.8
> I wonder whether to use FSO or OM2008.8 on my freerunner. What are the fso is rather a design study -- it's intended to be a vehicle to develop a framework which applications might use to communicate with each other and the device. right now there's not much more but phone, sms, contacts and a gps application. for the merger: shr attempts to reach that goal, i don't know if there's a release already. for the time being 2008.8 might be the better choice -- it offers the same functionality as fso but a lot of additional applications, too. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tiny stylus in lanyard hole (warning: half-assed)
> I have thought about boring a hole into the case i really like to see that :-) *scnr* ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
