Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

[Yogiz]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 20:56:35 -0400
"Chris Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/8/22 Lothar Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an
> > emergency call.
> >
> > Lothar
> 
> With my current phone, you can make emergency calls on it, even if the
> phone is locked. It happened to me once. I got a call a few minutes
> later from the call center asking if everything was okay. I'd rather
> not repeat that.
> 
> Locks that do not allow emergency calls are good. Especially
> considering that you need to take various other steps to place an
> emergency call with the Freerunner (go to an application menu, choose
> an icon, dial).

Everybody has their preferences. I'd really like to see a second small
bootable image for just emergency calls so there would be no wait.
There's no point in forcing that kind of thing down others' throat but
that could be an optional image. If the lock is easy, I have no problem
taking it off and dialing 112 in a hurry. I'm more worried about having
to wait for my small linux computer to fully boot up while someone is
bleeding to death in my arms.

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Re: wts Freerunner

[Justin Wong]

I'm in Western Canada (Vancouver) and have a brand new 850 model. I
only flashed a couple of distributions onto it.

Preferably, I'd sell it to someone in Western Canada/United States and
someone who can contribute to the project.

Cheers!
Justin


On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Robert William Hutton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Justin Wong wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> It looks like I won't have enough time and I want this device in good
>> hands for development.
>>
>> Send me an email if you want to purchase a brand new Freerunner off me.
>
> Probably a good idea to give a description of what kind of condition
> it's in, plus specify its location (for working out likely postage) and
> whether it's an 850 or 900 model.
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Re: QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

[Jim Morris]

Lorn Potter wrote:

>> One thing I was going to do was run the gps code in a thread so the UI 
>> comes up faster.
> 
> One thing you could try, is only setupUi in the constructor, and then 
> delay the other stuff in another slot with a singleshot timer.

Yep that helped a little on the FR, helped a lot on my Desktop version!

Thanks

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Re: QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

[Lorn Potter]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Lorn Potter wrote:
>> Jim Morris wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I ported the xgps program from the gpsd dist, to Qtopia (Trolltechs) 
>>> as there was no GPS there yet and of course no X11 programs run on it.
>>>
>>> It is still a bit crude, but it works, and lets you at least see if 
>>> your GPS works or not :)
>>>
>>> It is for testing like the OM one was for.
>>>
>>> Attached is the source and binary, if you have Qtopia, just copy the 
>>> binary qtgps to your FR, and run it from the file manager or 
>>> terminal. (I'll figure out how to package it soon).
>>
>> no attachment, mate!
>>
>>
> 
> Yea it turns out if you add an attachment it goes for moderator approval.
> It can be downloaded from here...
> 
> http://blog.wolfman.com/files/qtgps.tar.gz
> 
> Hey Lorn I'd be really interested in your opinion of the code, as my Qt 
> programming is very rusty.
> 
> One thing I was going to do was run the gps code in a thread so the UI 
> comes up faster.

One thing you could try, is only setupUi in the constructor, and then 
delay the other stuff in another slot with a singleshot timer.



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Re: QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

[Jim Morris]

Lorn Potter wrote:
> Jim Morris wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I ported the xgps program from the gpsd dist, to Qtopia (Trolltechs) 
>> as there was no GPS there yet and of course no X11 programs run on it.
>>
>> It is still a bit crude, but it works, and lets you at least see if 
>> your GPS works or not :)
>>
>> It is for testing like the OM one was for.
>>
>> Attached is the source and binary, if you have Qtopia, just copy the 
>> binary qtgps to your FR, and run it from the file manager or terminal. 
>> (I'll figure out how to package it soon).
> 
> no attachment, mate!
> 
> 

Yea it turns out if you add an attachment it goes for moderator approval.
It can be downloaded from here...

http://blog.wolfman.com/files/qtgps.tar.gz

Hey Lorn I'd be really interested in your opinion of the code, as my Qt 
programming is very rusty.

One thing I was going to do was run the gps code in a thread so the UI comes up 
faster.

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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

[Xavier Vens]

I had the same problem with the image
http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/, but after adding the testing
branch of http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/  i can dialout/receiving
calls/ receiving system sms from provider voicemail/ receiving normal
sms from friends.

1 i have installed the images from
http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/ (20080815)
2 i deleted files in the /var/lib/opkg folder
3 create the zecke.conf file in /etc/opkg (om2008.8-testing)
4 opkg update
5 opkg upgrade and reboot
6 started the dialer, entring my pin code

it's works well, now let's see the stability ;)

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:23 PM, julien cubizolles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le vendredi 22 août 2008 à 18:11 +0200, Alexander Menk a écrit :
>
>>
>> I did like suggested in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide
>> (but replaced om2008.8-dev by om2008.8-testing) after freshly flashing
>> the Om 2008 kernel and rootfs image.
>
> I did basically the same except that I started by flashing raster's
> image (from http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/) and the phone isn't
> slower than before.
>
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Re: QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

[Lorn Potter]

Jim Morris wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I ported the xgps program from the gpsd dist, to Qtopia (Trolltechs) as there 
> was no GPS there yet 
> and of course no X11 programs run on it.
> 
> It is still a bit crude, but it works, and lets you at least see if your GPS 
> works or not :)
> 
> It is for testing like the OM one was for.
> 
> Attached is the source and binary, if you have Qtopia, just copy the binary 
> qtgps to your FR, and 
> run it from the file manager or terminal. (I'll figure out how to package it 
> soon).

no attachment, mate!


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Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company

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Re: FO - how do I get the hardware revision?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hi,

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just open the backcase and remove the battery. there you find your
> revision on the label with the serial number.

Yes. :)
But I am interested in a way to do it from a shell.
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Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

[Chris Wright]

2008/8/22 Lothar Behrens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an
> emergency call.
>
> Lothar

With my current phone, you can make emergency calls on it, even if the
phone is locked. It happened to me once. I got a call a few minutes
later from the call center asking if everything was okay. I'd rather
not repeat that.

Locks that do not allow emergency calls are good. Especially
considering that you need to take various other steps to place an
emergency call with the Freerunner (go to an application menu, choose
an icon, dial).

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QtGps for Trolltechs Qtopia

[Jim Morris]

Hi,

I ported the xgps program from the gpsd dist, to Qtopia (Trolltechs) as there 
was no GPS there yet 
and of course no X11 programs run on it.

It is still a bit crude, but it works, and lets you at least see if your GPS 
works or not :)

It is for testing like the OM one was for.

Attached is the source and binary, if you have Qtopia, just copy the binary 
qtgps to your FR, and 
run it from the file manager or terminal. (I'll figure out how to package it 
soon).

Oh you also need to install gpsd (opkg install gpsd).

If you have problems let me know, I'll put up a blog entry on how to compile 
this with Trolltechs 
toolchain.

Basically just qtopiamake, make then copy resulting binary to FR, oh and you 
need to add the gpsd 
client library libgps.so to the trolltech toolchain lib.

Enjoy.
-- 
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Re: [FSO] GPS-problems / tangogps in testing-feed broken

[Benito Torres]

Hi,

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 23:27 (+0200), Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gpsd;
> interface=org.gpsd; member=fix

I don't see this kind of message. Maybe that's due to different
daemon-implementations on different hardware? Also all dbus-paths start
with /org/freesmartphone/ here.

Anyway I'm sure this is an application/dbus-problem as in the meantime I
ran agpsui successfully: 90 seconds for the first fix. But even after
agpsui having a fix, zhone is still clueless -- which can be explained
by agpsui parsing ttySAC1 directly. 

(Interesstingly I can start and stop gpsd to my pleasure without any
changes for agpsui or zhone. What's gpsd for, anyway?)

Manually asking Gypsy via dbus reveals, that the dbus-interface is
broken as it prints the same message that tangogps reported:

dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freesmartphone.ogpsd 
/org/freedesktop/Gypsy org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position.GetPosition 
Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.TypeError: Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 745, in 
_message_cb
_method_reply_return(connection, message, method_name, signature, *retval)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 252, in 
_method_reply_return
reply.append(signature=signature, *retval)
TypeError: More items found in D-Bus signature than in Python arguments

Other methods like GetAccuracy fail, too, while GetSatellites
successfully returns an empty array and GetConnectionStatus returns 1.


Could anybody with more insights to the frameworkd/dbus-development shed
some light on this?

Is this a known problem? Should we simply wait for the next package?


Thanks,
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Re: 29 hours in suspend => 70% battery left

[Russell Sears]

Fox Mulder wrote:
> I suppose you installed debian on the sd-card. So you have no problem
> with any data corruption with suspend/resume actions?
> 
> I disabled suspend because i read so much about the sd-card problem when
> suspending. :/

So far, I've only noticed corrupted copies of sector 0.  So, when the 
bug bites me, I restore the partition table with fdisk, and I'm ready to 
go again.  I don't care if it silently corrupts the data on that 
partition, but I'm also not booting off SD...

-Rusty


> 
> Ciao,
>  Rainer
> 
> Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just hold down power button for 2 seconds and put my freerunner to
>> sleep with zhone on debian. After 29 hours I called it and it woke up
>> with 70% battery left. It seems that
>>
>> c = self._commands["suspend"]
>> c.append( "+CTZU=0" )
>> c.append( "+CTZR=0" )
>> c.append( "+CREG=0" )
>> c.append( "+CGREG=0" )
>> c.append( "+CGEREP=0,0" )
>> c.append( "+CNMI=2,1,0,0,0" )
>> c.append( "%CSQ=0" )
>> c.append( "%CGEREP=0" )
>> c.append( "%CGREG=0" )
>> c.append( "%CBHZ=0" ) # home zone cell broadcast: disable
>>
>> in fso-frameword really helps to get the phone sleep well :-)
>>
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Re: 29 hours in suspend => 70% battery left

[Fox Mulder]

I suppose you installed debian on the sd-card. So you have no problem
with any data corruption with suspend/resume actions?

I disabled suspend because i read so much about the sd-card problem when
suspending. :/

Ciao,
 Rainer

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just hold down power button for 2 seconds and put my freerunner to
> sleep with zhone on debian. After 29 hours I called it and it woke up
> with 70% battery left. It seems that
> 
> c = self._commands["suspend"]
> c.append( "+CTZU=0" )
> c.append( "+CTZR=0" )
> c.append( "+CREG=0" )
> c.append( "+CGREG=0" )
> c.append( "+CGEREP=0,0" )
> c.append( "+CNMI=2,1,0,0,0" )
> c.append( "%CSQ=0" )
> c.append( "%CGEREP=0" )
> c.append( "%CGREG=0" )
> c.append( "%CBHZ=0" ) # home zone cell broadcast: disable
> 
> in fso-frameword really helps to get the phone sleep well :-)
> 
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Re: FO - how do I get the hardware revision?

[Fox Mulder]

Just open the backcase and remove the battery. there you find your
revision on the label with the serial number.

Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I run FSO (testing) on my Neo 1973 (from shr.bearstech.com). If I want
> to find the hardware revision, the wiki says to use
> libgsmd-tool, see [1].
> However, that tool doesn't exist in fso.
> What tool can be used in fso?
> 
> References:
> 1) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision

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Re: Several questions about ASU

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:05:54PM -0400, Warren Baird wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:18 PM, julien cubizolles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > 1. Flash raster's image (found at [...]
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> Your process worked great for me...   I followed your instructions,
> including doing the opkg upgrade and I then installed a few new packages
> (specifically this:  "opkg install cacao classpath-gtk openmoko-browser2
> openmoko-calculator2 openmoko-dates2 openmoko-terminal2
> qtopia-phone-x11-addressbook qtopia-phone-x11-textedit ")
> 
> Only one problem: after I reflashed the image a bit, I played around with
> raster's new keyboard - and it *rocks*.   Unfortunately after the opkg
> upgrade and installing the new packages, I was back to the default OM2008.8
> keyboard.
> 
> :-(
> 
> Is there any way to restore raster's keyboard?   Or do I need to reflash and
> try to figure out which package  I installed or upgraded to break it?

Ah, so that's where it went :) since i followed the instruction non-stop
I never even noticed it wasn't there 'till I tried writing...

Rui


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FO - how do I get the hardware revision?

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

I run FSO (testing) on my Neo 1973 (from shr.bearstech.com). If I want
to find the hardware revision, the wiki says to use
libgsmd-tool, see [1].
However, that tool doesn't exist in fso.
What tool can be used in fso?

References:
1) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finding_hardware_revision
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Re: Several questions about ASU

[Warren Baird]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:18 PM, julien cubizolles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
>
> 1. Flash raster's image (found at [...]
>
> 


Your process worked great for me...   I followed your instructions,
including doing the opkg upgrade and I then installed a few new packages
(specifically this:  "opkg install cacao classpath-gtk openmoko-browser2
openmoko-calculator2 openmoko-dates2 openmoko-terminal2
qtopia-phone-x11-addressbook qtopia-phone-x11-textedit ")

Only one problem: after I reflashed the image a bit, I played around with
raster's new keyboard - and it *rocks*.   Unfortunately after the opkg
upgrade and installing the new packages, I was back to the default OM2008.8
keyboard.

:-(

Is there any way to restore raster's keyboard?   Or do I need to reflash and
try to figure out which package  I installed or upgraded to break it?

Thanks,

Warren
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Re: Switching Screenmode an Freerunner

[Andreas Micklei]

Russell Sears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "xrandr -q" and "xrandr -s 240x320" work for me (and effectively crash 
> X, since you can't use the keyboard any more, and illume doesn't adjust 
> very well...

> Also, the touch screen doesn't seem to understand that the resolution 
> change, which makes using it pretty difficult.  Finally, display looks 
> kind of funky in 240x320 mode, almost as though it's not quite driving 
> the LCD correctly.

Thanks for the report! Looks like the foundation is there, so I will try
the xrandr commands and see if I can find out a little more.

For the LCD mode: Does anybody know if this is supposed to work
correctly and just needs fixing with a better modeline or something, or
is this is a hardware limitation which can't be fixed in software?

> I have no idea how to get it into 8 bit mode.

Would be a plus, but maybe 240x320 is already fast enough.

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Re: Debian Install.sh error when run under Qtopia

[Asheesh Laroia]

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Ganesha Krishna wrote:

> Hi,
>   I tried Debian install.sh under Qtopia and hit this brick wall.
> (Nandfash = Qtopia 08.08 + kernel from the same package)
> --
> ./install.sh  all
> 
> ..
> P: Configuring package apt
> P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt
> E: Internal error: install

I got that error until I downclocked my MMC/micro SD card.  Then it went 
away.

If I had more time, I would wrap the install.sh in a loop where it tries 
this, and if it detects an error, downclocks the MMC clock and retries. 
Right now mine's running at 2.5 Mhz.

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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Update.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So the antenna works, but gglin isn't outputtig fix lines. What can be wrong?

I did an 'opkg upgrade' today and the system is now:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@om-gta01:~# cat /etc/angstrom-version
Angstrom -20080822

and now gllin / gpsd get fixes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /tmp/nmeaNP | grep GPRMC
$GPRMC,213100.00,A,5955.136150,N,01045.562567,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*56
$GPRMC,213101.00,A,5955.136150,N,01045.562567,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*57
$GPRMC,213102.00,A,5955.136150,N,01045.562567,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*54
$GPRMC,213103.00,A,5955.136150,N,01045.562567,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*55

dbus-monitor shows this:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dbus-monitor --system
signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=:1.11
path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus;
member=NameAcquired
   string ":1.11"
signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gpsd;
interface=org.gpsd; member=fix
   double nan
   int32 3
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gpsd;
interface=org.gpsd; member=fix
   double 1.21944e+09
   int32 2
   double nan
   double 59.919
   double 10.7593
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double 0
   double nan
   double 0
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gpsd;
interface=org.gpsd; member=fix
   double nan
   int32 3
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gpsd;
interface=org.gpsd; member=fix
   double 1.21944e+09
   int32 2
   double nan
   double 59.919
   double 10.7593
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double 0
   double nan
   double 0
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan

But still neither tangoGPS nor zhone gets anything, not even time, from the gps.

So I run frameworkd from the command line (long output):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# python /usr/bin/frameworkd
frameworkd INFO Using configuration file /etc/frameworkd.conf
frameworkd ERRORfactory method not successfully completed for
module 
frameworkd ERRORTraceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/controller.py",
line 194, in registerObjectsFromModule
for obj in factory( "%s.%s" % ( DBUS_BUS_NAME_PREFIX, subsystem ), self ):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/framework/subsystems/ogpsd/factory.py",
line 32, in factory
channel = globals()[channame]( pathname )
KeyError: 'UDPChannel'

ogsmdINFO Device initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device at /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
ogsmdINFO
(: Creating channel with timeout = 3600 seconds)
ogsmdINFO
(: Creating channel with timeout = 5 seconds)
ogsmdINFO
(: Creating channel with timeout = 5 seconds)
ogsmdINFO Server initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.GSM.Server at /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Server
opreferencesd INFO initialized, services : ['profiles']
oeventd  INFO CallTrigger initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Event.Trigger at [(, '/org/freesmartphone/Event/Trigger/0', False)]
oeventd  INFO Manager initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Event at [(, '/org/freesmartphone/Event', False)]
oeventd  INFO Receiver initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Event.Receiver at [(, '/org/freesmartphone/Event/Receiver/0', False)]
oeventd  INFO AudioSetupReceiver initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Event.Receiver at [(, '/org/freesmartphone/Event/Receiver/1', False)]
oeventd  INFO VibratorReceiver initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Event.Receiver at [(, '/org/freesmartphone/Event/Receiver/2', False)]
oeventd  INFO RingReceiver initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Event.Receiver at [(, '/org/freesmartphone/Event/Receiver/3', False)]
ophoned  INFO Logging test
ousaged  INFO GenericUsageControl initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Usage at /org/freesmartphone/Usage
frameworkd ERRORcould not import audio.py: No module named patterns
odeviced.kernel26 INFO Display initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Device.Display at
/org/freesmartphone/Device/Display/gta01_bl
odeviced.kernel26 INFO LED initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Device.LED at
/org/freesmartphone/Device/LED/neo1973_vibrator
odeviced.kernel26 INFO PowerSupplyApm initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply at
/org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/apm
odeviced.kernel26 INFO RealTimeClock initialized. Serving
org.freesmartphone.Device.RealTimeClock at
/

Re: Debian - alsa sound ?

[Fox Mulder]

I got the same problem as you with no sound but the modules are loaded
and the soundcard is listed. The test with mpg123 gives also the same
result. :(

The command
alsactl -f /usr/share/openmoko/stereoout.state restore
didn't help at all.

Did you find a solution for the problem that the neo doesn't output any
sound?

Maybe i'm missing some essential sound module or what ever. It makes me
sad that i can't hear anything from my lovely neo. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Rorschach wrote:
> Same problem here, also on irc someone told he had it. If I play and don't 
> abort I get an error-message after some time:
> 
> # mpg123 ff7-ringtone.mp3 
> High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layers 1, 2 and 3
>   version 1.4.3; written and copyright by Michael Hipp and others
>   free software (LGPL/GPL) without any warranty but with best wishes
> 
> Playing MPEG stream 1 of 1: ff7-ringtone.mp3 ...
> Title:   Fanfare Artist: Nobuo Uematsu
> Album:   Final Fantasy VII OSV CD1
> Genre:   Soundtrack
> MPEG 1.0 layer III, 192 kbit/s, 48000 Hz stereo
> [audio.c:532] error: Error in writing audio (Input/output error?)!
> [mpg123.c:557] error: Deep trouble! Cannot flush to my output anymore!
> 
> 
> 
> Some further information:
> 
> debian-gta02:~# cat /proc/asound/cards
>  0 [neo1973gta02   ]: WM8753 - neo1973-gta02
>   neo1973-gta02 (WM8753)
> 
> debian-gta02:~# aplay -l
>  List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices 
> card 0: neo1973gta02 [neo1973-gta02], device 0: WM8753 HiFi WM8753 HiFi-I2S-0 
> []
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> card 0: neo1973gta02 [neo1973-gta02], device 1: Voice WM8753 Voice-PCM-1 []
>   Subdevices: 1/1
>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
> 
> debian-gta02:~# lsmod|grep snd
> snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753 8200  0 
> snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s 4120  1 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753
> snd_soc_s3c24xx 4736  1 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753
> snd_soc_wm8753 29376  1 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753
> snd_soc_core   27488  3 
> snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753,snd_soc_s3c24xx,snd_soc_wm8753
> snd_pcm73733  2 snd_soc_s3c24xx,snd_soc_core
> snd_timer  20388  1 snd_pcm
> snd_page_alloc  6376  1 snd_pcm
> snd46740  5 
> snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753,snd_soc_wm8753,snd_soc_core,snd_pcm,snd_timer
> 
> debian-gta02:~# asoundconf list
> Names of available sound cards:
> neo1973gta02
> 
> debian-gta02:/# cat /proc/asound/modules 
>  0 snd_soc_wm8753
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Openmoko @ Linuxworld

[Jim Morris]

Steve Mosher wrote:
> Ken was great. when I first thought to have the community help staff the 
> booth, i had no idea how well it work out. the community speaks better 
> for the product and the ideals than anyone can.
> 
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Nice work Ken, one of our community volunteers!
>>

Yep he did a great job, pity he ended up selling his FR :(



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Re: [FSO] GPS-problems / tangogps in testing-feed broken

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Benito Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> (I'm mailing to this list because I don't know where to post bug reports
> targetting the package-management in the fso-{testing,unstable}-feeds.
> Is trac.freesmartphone.org the right place?)
>
> My problem: I'm experiencing problems with GPS since an upgrade with the
> fso-testing-feed.

FWIW, I am running FSO-testing on my Neo 1973 (not the FreeRunner). I
am using an external antenna, and have verified that it is workng on
my FreeRunner (which doesn't run FSO).
Since this is a 1973, I have installed gllin[1], and dbus-monitor
shows that gps events are sent:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dbus-monitor --system
signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=:1.9
path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus;
member=NameAcquired
   string ":1.9"
signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gpsd;
interface=org.gpsd; member=fix
   double nan
   int32 1
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gpsd;
interface=org.gpsd; member=fix
   double nan
   int32 1
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan

And the output from gpsd shows that it gets a fix:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /tmp/nmeaNP | grep GPRMC
$GPRMC,212405.00,A,5955.147356,N,01045.531408,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*5B
$GPRMC,212406.00,A,5955.147356,N,01045.531408,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*58
$GPRMC,212407.00,A,5955.147356,N,01045.531408,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*59
$GPRMC,212408.00,A,5955.147356,N,01045.531408,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*56
$GPRMC,212410.00,A,5955.147356,N,01045.531408,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*5F
$GPRMC,212412.00,A,5955.147356,N,01045.531408,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*5D
$GPRMC,212413.00,A,5955.148148,N,01045.532991,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*50
$GPRMC,212414.00,A,5955.148405,N,01045.532836,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*57
$GPRMC,212415.00,A,5955.148596,N,01045.532664,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*54
$GPRMC,212416.00,A,5955.148760,N,01045.532491,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*54
$GPRMC,212417.00,A,5955.148760,N,01045.532491,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*55
$GPRMC,212419.00,A,5955.148760,N,01045.532491,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*5B
$GPRMC,212421.00,A,5955.149661,N,01045.531970,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*50
$GPRMC,212422.00,A,5955.149853,N,01045.531870,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*5D
$GPRMC,212423.00,A,5955.150058,N,01045.531689,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*5F
$GPRMC,212424.00,A,5955.150058,N,01045.531689,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*58
$GPRMC,212425.00,A,5955.150058,N,01045.531689,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*59
$GPRMC,212426.00,A,5955.150058,N,01045.531689,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*5A
$GPRMC,212427.00,A,5955.150883,N,01045.531326,E,000.0,000.0,220808,,,A*55

Nut neither zhone nor tangoGPS gets anything, not even time from the gps.

References:
1) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin
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Re: Switching Screenmode an Freerunner

[Russell Sears]

"xrandr -q" and "xrandr -s 240x320" work for me (and effectively crash 
X, since you can't use the keyboard any more, and illume doesn't adjust 
very well...

Also, the touch screen doesn't seem to understand that the resolution 
change, which makes using it pretty difficult.  Finally, display looks 
kind of funky in 240x320 mode, almost as though it's not quite driving 
the LCD correctly.

I have no idea how to get it into 8 bit mode.

-Rusty

Andreas Micklei wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am thinking about porting an emulator for some ancient home computer
> to openmoko. I don't really need VGA resolution and lots of colours, so
> I wonder if it is possible to switch the Freerunner to a lower screen
> resolution and maybe 8-bit palette mode.
> 
> Does the Glamo support this? Does XGlamo implement it? Does it give
> a decent performance improvement?
> 
> I could not find this information in the wiki, so I thought I ask here
> before digging through the sourcecode of XGlamo. ;-)
> 
> regards,
> Andreas Micklei
> 
> 
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Re: Debian Install.sh error when run under Qtopia

[Ganesha Krishna]

Hrm.. wait a minute. Let me try and recall all the steps I did.

1. ssh ed over USB
2. /etc/init.d/qpe stop
3. ./install.sh all
error at stopped at rdate -s ntp.berlin coz ntp.berlin was not
resolved by my office DNS (nslookup failed to find it too)
4 skipped 'time' and did a
   ./install.sh  debian apt fso configuration kernel unmount
   this got stuck at
P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt
E: Internal error: install
5.Got into my home network.
  ./install.sh  time debian apt fso configuration kernel unmount
   (skipping partition to save the .deb cache that was already downloaded)
  no rdate error but cdebootstrap error persists

I never thought the ntp thing was an issue, but since it worked for
you, I might have predisposed my installation to failure at step 3
itself.

thanks,
-GK


On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 1:46 AM, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I installed OK under Qtopia.
>
> I ssh'd in over USB.
>
> did /etc/init.d/qpe stop
>
> then the ./install.sh
> then reboot.
>
> Ganesha Krishna wrote:
>> Hi,
>>I tried Debian install.sh under Qtopia and hit this brick wall.
>> (Nandfash = Qtopia 08.08 + kernel from the same package)
>> --
>> ./install.sh  all
>> 
>> ..
>> P: Configuring package apt
>> P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt
>> E: Internal error: install
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
>> -
>> The debian wiki ( http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) clearly
>> says that install.sh is tested only under 2008.08, FSO and 2007.2 and
>> doesnot mention Qtopia.
>>
>> google for "cdebootstrap-helper-apt" and you get numerous reports on
>> similar install failures on desktops, it seems to be a (well) known
>> bug. I could not find a work around for it though (have not tried too
>> hard), is there one ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> -GK
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Re: 29 hours in suspend => 70% battery left

[Benito Torres]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 23:13 (+0300), Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> "apt-get source fso-frameworkd" and you'll see they are already in
> fso-frameworkd-0.2.0-git20080805/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py
> starting at line 181. If you have the same version as I have,
> 0.2.0-git20080805-5, you should already have these set.

You're right, it's there. So something else is eating the energy (some
days ago I had 30% left after 6 hours suspend).

Thanks for the help!

Bye,
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Re: Debian Install.sh error when run under Qtopia

[Ganesha Krishna]

Thanks! will try it.

On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Ganesha Krishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> google for "cdebootstrap-helper-apt" and you get numerous reports on
>> similar install failures on desktops, it seems to be a (well) known
>> bug. I could not find a work around for it though (have not tried too
>> hard), is there one ?
>
> As a temporary workaround you can run cdebootstrap on your desktop
> system, tar the result and netcat it to your freerunner.
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Re: Debian Install.sh error when run under Qtopia

[Jim Morris]

I installed OK under Qtopia.

I ssh'd in over USB.

did /etc/init.d/qpe stop

then the ./install.sh
then reboot.

Ganesha Krishna wrote:
> Hi,
>I tried Debian install.sh under Qtopia and hit this brick wall.
> (Nandfash = Qtopia 08.08 + kernel from the same package)
> --
> ./install.sh  all
> 
> ..
> P: Configuring package apt
> P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt
> E: Internal error: install
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
> -
> The debian wiki ( http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) clearly
> says that install.sh is tested only under 2008.08, FSO and 2007.2 and
> doesnot mention Qtopia.
> 
> google for "cdebootstrap-helper-apt" and you get numerous reports on
> similar install failures on desktops, it seems to be a (well) known
> bug. I could not find a work around for it though (have not tried too
> hard), is there one ?
> 
> Thanks
> -GK
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Switching Screenmode an Freerunner

[Andreas Micklei]

Hi,

I am thinking about porting an emulator for some ancient home computer
to openmoko. I don't really need VGA resolution and lots of colours, so
I wonder if it is possible to switch the Freerunner to a lower screen
resolution and maybe 8-bit palette mode.

Does the Glamo support this? Does XGlamo implement it? Does it give
a decent performance improvement?

I could not find this information in the wiki, so I thought I ask here
before digging through the sourcecode of XGlamo. ;-)

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Re: Debian Install.sh error when run under Qtopia

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

"Ganesha Krishna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> google for "cdebootstrap-helper-apt" and you get numerous reports on
> similar install failures on desktops, it seems to be a (well) known
> bug. I could not find a work around for it though (have not tried too
> hard), is there one ?

As a temporary workaround you can run cdebootstrap on your desktop
system, tar the result and netcat it to your freerunner.

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Re: 29 hours in suspend => 70% battery left

[Russell Sears]

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> "Yorick Moko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I presume sound works after suspend?
> 
> Yep.

What about incoming phone calls during suspend?


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Re: 29 hours in suspend => 70% battery left

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Benito Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What is this? Can you explicate, where to write/pipe/put these lines?
> (Didn't get an idea from grepping /usr/share and /etc.)

"apt-get source fso-frameworkd" and you'll see they are already in
fso-frameworkd-0.2.0-git20080805/framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/ti_calypso/channel.py
starting at line 181. If you have the same version as I have,
0.2.0-git20080805-5, you should already have these set.

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Re: 29 hours in suspend => 70% battery left

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

"Yorick Moko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I presume sound works after suspend?

Yep.

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Debian Install.sh error when run under Qtopia

[Ganesha Krishna]

Hi,
   I tried Debian install.sh under Qtopia and hit this brick wall.
(Nandfash = Qtopia 08.08 + kernel from the same package)
--
./install.sh  all

..
P: Configuring package apt
P: Configuring helper cdebootstrap-helper-apt
E: Internal error: install
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
-
The debian wiki ( http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner) clearly
says that install.sh is tested only under 2008.08, FSO and 2007.2 and
doesnot mention Qtopia.

google for "cdebootstrap-helper-apt" and you get numerous reports on
similar install failures on desktops, it seems to be a (well) known
bug. I could not find a work around for it though (have not tried too
hard), is there one ?

Thanks
-GK

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Re: 29 hours in suspend => 70% battery left

[Yorick Moko]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just hold down power button for 2 seconds and put my freerunner to
> sleep with zhone on debian. After 29 hours I called it and it woke up
> with 70% battery left. It seems that
>
> c = self._commands["suspend"]
> c.append( "+CTZU=0" )
> c.append( "+CTZR=0" )
> c.append( "+CREG=0" )
> c.append( "+CGREG=0" )
> c.append( "+CGEREP=0,0" )
> c.append( "+CNMI=2,1,0,0,0" )
> c.append( "%CSQ=0" )
> c.append( "%CGEREP=0" )
> c.append( "%CGREG=0" )
> c.append( "%CBHZ=0" ) # home zone cell broadcast: disable
>
> in fso-frameword really helps to get the phone sleep well :-)
>
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nice!
I presume sound works after suspend?

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Re: 29 hours in suspend => 70% battery left

[Benito Torres]

Hi,

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 22:38 (+0300), Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> It seems that
> 
> c = self._commands["suspend"]
> c.append( "+CTZU=0" )
> c.append( "+CTZR=0" )
> c.append( "+CREG=0" )
> c.append( "+CGREG=0" )
> c.append( "+CGEREP=0,0" )
> c.append( "+CNMI=2,1,0,0,0" )
> c.append( "%CSQ=0" )
> c.append( "%CGEREP=0" )
> c.append( "%CGREG=0" )
> c.append( "%CBHZ=0" ) # home zone cell broadcast: disable
> 
> in fso-frameword really helps to get the phone sleep well :-)

What is this? Can you explicate, where to write/pipe/put these lines?
(Didn't get an idea from grepping /usr/share and /etc.)

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OM Repositories

[Maciej Piechotka]

For a 2007.02 to keep the phone up-to-date (i.e. reasonable 'unstable')
should I use http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2007.2/ or
http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/{testing/,unstable/}?
The first one is not updated since a month.
The second ones are described nowhere.

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Debugging Dialer (Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766))

[Alexander Menk]

Hi!

julien cubizolles wrote:
> Le vendredi 22 août 2008 à 18:11 +0200, Alexander Menk a écrit :
>
>> I did like suggested in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide
>> (but replaced om2008.8-dev by om2008.8-testing) after freshly flashing
>> the Om 2008 kernel and rootfs image.
>
> I did basically the same except that I started by flashing raster's
> image (from http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/) and the phone
> isn't slower than before.

how can I debug the dialer?

I now did the same as Julien. (raster's image + zecke testing opkg 
update, opkg upgrade) I'm using GTA02 (is anybody still using GTA01 here?)


As written in #1766 registering to GSM works now and I can make calls.

But something is really wrong - the dialer application is extermly slow.
I touch a number... and 37 seconds later it appears.

Did anybody experince the same?
"opkg update" displayed many missing packages - could this be the reason 
or is it normal?


Alex




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29 hours in suspend => 70% battery left

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Hi,

I just hold down power button for 2 seconds and put my freerunner to
sleep with zhone on debian. After 29 hours I called it and it woke up
with 70% battery left. It seems that

c = self._commands["suspend"]
c.append( "+CTZU=0" )
c.append( "+CTZR=0" )
c.append( "+CREG=0" )
c.append( "+CGREG=0" )
c.append( "+CGEREP=0,0" )
c.append( "+CNMI=2,1,0,0,0" )
c.append( "%CSQ=0" )
c.append( "%CGEREP=0" )
c.append( "%CGREG=0" )
c.append( "%CBHZ=0" ) # home zone cell broadcast: disable

in fso-frameword really helps to get the phone sleep well :-)



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Re: Compiling single package

[Russell Sears]

Lothar Behrens wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> after some tries to compile the complete distribution (2007.2) on my
> openSuSE 11.0, I must say that either my notebook has a hardware problem
> or openSuSE 11.0 is not as stable as my old 9.1 installation.
> 
> It freezes after long time in screen saving mode while compiling (over
> night)
> It freezes while copying much data to my USB HDD.
> 
> Does someone here has successfully compiled a distribution with openSuSE
> 11.0 ?
> 
> The main question: Is it possible to start with mokomakefile only
> compiling navit ipk package, for sample (from scratch) ?
> 

Yes.  The wiki is kind of a mess at the moment, and I've been trying to 
figure all this stuff out by reading code, and asking questions on the 
mailing list.  :)

You need to find a directory named "packages" after mokomakefile has set 
itself up (it should already be in this state if it failed after a few 
hours of building...)

Under "packages" there are *.bb files.  They are like debian source 
packages.  If you want to build:

foo-1.2.3.bb

run:

make build-package-foo

if you want to patch the source of foo, then look at some package that 
applies patches, and follow their lead.  Editing the source of the 
application directly doesn't work since bitbake will blow away your 
changes before compiling.

Sometimes the .bb file is named differently than the .ipk file.  For 
example, gst-plugin-ivorbis is built by running:

make build-package-gst-plugins-ugly

(or maybe "gst-plugins-bad"; I can never remember... ;)

I seem to remember mokomakefile pulling in the .bb files on demand, but 
I could be crazy...  If it does pull them in on demand, you'll need to 
guess the package name (probably 'navit') or do a git checkout of the 
correct openmoko tree (I don't know the URL off the top of my head...).

Hope this helps!

-Rusty

> Thanks
> 
> Lothar
> 
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Re: Several questions about ASU

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 07:18:24PM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:
> Le vendredi 22 août 2008 à 17:14 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra a
> écrit :
> > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 04:34:19PM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:
> > > ASU is finally usable as a phone for me, and I'm ready to use it as my
> > > default image instead of Qtopia but I have several questions.
> > 
> > I have one for you, how did you get it to be finally usable as a phone?
> > 
> > I mean what steps did you do, because I haven't found it usable yet!
> 
> 1. Flash raster's image (found at
> http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/) to NAND (couldn't get it to
> work on the µSD) according to
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner. This image
> has the wonderful keyboard.
> 
> 2. Add zecke's testing repository : create a /etc/opkg/updates.conf
> containing 
> 
> src/gz daily-all-updates
> http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/all
> src/gz daily-armv4t-updates
> http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t
> src/gz daily-neo1973-updates
> http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973
> src/gz daily-om-gta02-updates
> http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/om-gta02
> 
> 3. Get the network running, opkg update, opkg upgrade (for a while) and
> you're good to go.
> 
> 
> > Either I did something wrong or we just have different usability demands :)
> Can make/receive calls/sms. Suspends and wakes up fine, GPS working with
> a SDCard inserted... I don't ask for much more at the moment.

That's awesome, I just tried today's Zecke build and I couldn't get
wifi or even usb0 working.

I'll follow your recipe :)

Rui

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Re: which bootloader?

[Brian Wilson]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:22 AM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> and I can guess that the vN refers to a revision of my phone. Which
>> phone do I have? Is it marked somewhere?
>
> this has been discussed several times and exhaustingly.
> wherever you look, mailinglist archives or wiki you should immediately
> find that the only gta02 revision currently in the wild is v5.

Yes, no doubt this morsel of information is buried deep within the
wiki but absent from the places I would expect to find it, such as the
Neo Freerunner page, the hardware pages, and the
the bootloader page. Thanks --and I have added it.

Brian

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Re: Sold out aaaah

[carmen r]

On Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:42:19PM -0600, Jeff Sadowski wrote:
> http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner
> Maybe by the time I get a chance to buy one they will have enough
> processor power, ram and disk space to replace my laptop.
> Every time I even look to buy it I see the "sold out".

i believe the strategy is to order from a local distributor

eg Koolu for north america


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2008.08 zecke gstreamer errors

[Dylan Reilly]

Using the 2008.08 testing repository from zecke, both the openmoko and
qtopia media players throw gstreamer errors on my device when trying to play
audio. Possibly related, the qtopia player can not read mp3 tag information
(all tracks are "unknown").

I have not had time to look into the cause for this yet. Has anyone else
experienced this and possibly fixed it? Could it be a package or
configuration related issue?

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[FSO] GPS-problems / tangogps in testing-feed broken

[Benito Torres]

Hi,

(I'm mailing to this list because I don't know where to post bug reports
targetting the package-management in the fso-{testing,unstable}-feeds.
Is trac.freesmartphone.org the right place?)

My problem: I'm experiencing problems with GPS since an upgrade with the
fso-testing-feed.

After the upgrade neither tangogps (tangogps-fso_0.9.2-r1) nor zhone
(0.0.0+gitr69e029bd85a1caaad4e5d61087836a8e1ea20dcc-r8) are getting a
fix which hadn't been such a problem before (same outdoors place as
before, rather grey weather conditions but not entirely clouded, 30 mins
waiting). 

One problem definitely is that tangogps throwing two TypeErrors which
show that it's having trouble with the dbus-interface[1].

Has there been a change in the dbus-interface which hasn't been followed
in the packages? Is this part of the yesterday on this list mentioned
"major frameworkd changes"[3]? If yes: How comes they're in the
testing-feed (would expect them in unstable, if at all)?


zhone only tells "gps ok"[2], so I don't know if it's suffering from the
same problem or just having a bad time with the available gps data.

As the weather is quite bad ATM, I cannot debug further. It might also
be that zhone and agpsui (didn't know there's a fso-compatible version
until a few minutes ago) would show a fix once the sky is clear again
(probably next april... :/), but the tangogps-error probably should be
taken care of.


Anybody else having problems?


Thanks and Greetings, 
 /Ben



[1]
** (tangogps:1439): WARNING **: Cannot get position: Traceback
(most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 745, in 
_message_cb
_method_reply_return(connection, message, method_name, signature, *retval)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 252, in 
_method_reply_return
reply.append(signature=signature, *retval)
TypeError: More items found in D-Bus signature than in Python arguments


** (tangogps:1439): WARNING **: Cannot get accuracy: Traceback (most recent 
call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 745, in 
_message_cb
_method_reply_return(connection, message, method_name, signature, *retval)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 252, in 
_method_reply_return
reply.append(signature=signature, *retval)
TypeError: More items found in D-Bus signature than in Python arguments


[2]
DEBUG gps ok:  :1.3 /org/freedesktop/Gypsy at 0x12f930> implementing 
'org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Accuracy' at 0x12fb30>,  :1.3 /org/freedesktop/Gypsy at 
0x12f930> implementing 'org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Position' at 0x12fc30>, 
 
:1.3 /org/freedesktop/Gypsy at 0x12f930> implementing 
'org.freedesktop.Gypsy.Satellite' at 0x12fd30>

[3]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


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Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA

[Clemens Kirchgatterer]

Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > i have currently 4.3.2 installed but don't seem to be able to
> > connect to my "open" accesspoint. i had no trouble with 2007.2
> > doing so. i see getting a dhcp lease but can't manage to connect to
> > the qtopia.net package feed. i even can't ping the FR from my
> > desktop. are there still known issues?
> >   
> I just tried to connect to an open network at lunch (which I have 
> previously connected to on 2007.2) and couldn't get past "Unavailable"

qtopia tells me my connection is up and i am "connected". but no
indication of any data Xfer. :-(

clemens

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Sold out aaaah

[Jeff Sadowski]

http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner
Maybe by the time I get a chance to buy one they will have enough
processor power, ram and disk space to replace my laptop.
Every time I even look to buy it I see the "sold out".

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Compiling single package

[Lothar Behrens]

Hi,

after some tries to compile the complete distribution (2007.2) on my
openSuSE 11.0, I must say that either my notebook has a hardware problem
or openSuSE 11.0 is not as stable as my old 9.1 installation.

It freezes after long time in screen saving mode while compiling (over
night)
It freezes while copying much data to my USB HDD.

Does someone here has successfully compiled a distribution with openSuSE
11.0 ?

The main question: Is it possible to start with mokomakefile only
compiling navit ipk package, for sample (from scratch) ?

Thanks

Lothar


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Re: Partitioning 8GB uSD

[Geoff Ruscoe]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Russell Sears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> 2008.8 has the same problem.  It also uses qpe to scan all the data on
> the SD card at boot.  This is why it's really slow right after it boots
> (eg: seconds to echo keypresses in the dialer...).  I use tangogps and
> it wants to index all the map tiles, so it takes *hours* to scan my SD
> card after each boot...
>
> -Rusty
>


I bet that is my problem.  I mean the software stack has improved
tremendously -- I have been using zeche's patches and the terminal keyboard,
and have been really happy, except for the slowness...  I haven't been able
to figure out what to do or what the problem is, but this sounds like the
main cause...  I would definitely like to turn off the scanning or tell it
only to scan (or exclude) certain directories...  This would make such a big
difference!

The patch that was listed, I'm not sure I can translate that into my thought
from above... Would a setting of ContentDatabase=0 turn off the scanning.
I'm not interesting in prescans of the media files... I would rather
manually create play lists of find them with a file chooser.
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Re: Partitioning 8GB uSD

[Russell Sears]

Matthew Lane wrote:
> arne anka wrote:
>> > I'm 
>> trying to dual boot with 2008.8 or debian on my uSD but fdisk tells
>>> ...
>>> qtopia's latest 20080808 image from their website.
>> now, i am confused.
>> do you use 2008.8 _or_ qtopia?
>> afair w/ 2008.8 there were no problems, but w/ qtopia qpe block the sd 
>> card. some days ago a workaround for qtopia w/ qpe was posted.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
> I use the 080808 version of Qtopia (4.3.2).  Do you know where I can 
> find that workaround?  Ubuntu seems to have trouble reading and writing 
> to cards, and I have no internet at home only work :(.

http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td685679

(I think this breaks qtopia media players and things that want the 
database to exist, since they won't know about the SD card)

-Rusty


# diff /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf.bak 
/opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf
--- /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf.bak Mon Aug 11 
11:19:26 2008
+++ /opt/Qtopia/etc/default/Trolltech/Storage.conf Mon Aug 11 11:20:02 2008
@@ -2,19 +2,8 @@
  File=QtopiaDefaults
  Context=Storage

-[MountTable]
-MountPoints="MountPoint0"
-
  [HOME]
  Name[] = HOME
  Documents = 1
  Applications = 0
  ContentDatabase=1
-
-[MountPoint0]
-Name[] = SD Card
-Path=/dev/mmcblk0p1
-Removable = 1
-Applications = 1
-Documents = 1
-ContentDatabase = 1


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Re: ASU - out of memory?

[Tilman Baumann]

Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
> Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> 44kbyte are not very impressive, but they prove my point never the
>> less. This memory is obviously waste. It stays in swap for ages. Not
>> much saved, but anyhow. It is memory that did not need to be in ram.
> 
> Tilman, i agree to most points you made in this thread, but i think the
> discussion is moot anyway. adding swap to our FR is easy enought, so
> everyone can do what he thinks is right.

Fair enough. :)
I made some tests see my other recent mail.
Let's see what the community makes out of it. I think i have started 
something important here. *g*

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Proposal: overcommit on, optional swap on if user decides so.

[Tilman Baumann]

Tilman Baumann wrote:
> Tilman Baumann wrote:
> 
>>> i'd think it would make little sense so make the system
>>> that fragile. fix the memory usage issue - don't just "get more slow slow 
>>> slow"
>>> ram. :)
>> As i said, i had made the experience that it improved the system 
>> greatly. Shouldn't we just test it?
>> Perhaps, that is what i will try to do with my Neo1973 soon...
> 
> This is how swap was used after launching some apps simultaniously 
> (tangogps, navit, browser, mediaplayer) using them for some time and 
> then shut them down again:
>   total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:126268 111008  15260  0   1304  68736
> -/+ buffers/cache:  40968  85300
> Swap:64720 44  64676

Now with  sysctl vm.overcommit_memory=0
If i had knew before

This is with tangogps, navit, mediaplayer and debug tool (python) 
running at the same time.
And still less memory used than before without these apps running!
#free
  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:126268 110124  16144  0   1472  58012
-/+ buffers/cache:  50640  75628
Swap:64720  0  64720

This is after i closed all the apps:
#free
  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:126268  93896  32372  0   1472  56620
-/+ buffers/cache:  35804  90464
Swap:64720  0  64720

93896Kb vs 111008Kb difference between without and with overcommit!
In words 17Mb saved.
And this is while idle. No apps running.
(I have not saved any measurement while i had lots of apps running last 
time. So i have no comparison for that.)

Suprisingly, no swap is used this time. But on the other hand not so 
suprisingly. There is tons of unused RAM free, why bother.
And maybe the 44k last time where really only some unusually leaked mem.

Conclusion:
You can bet i will use overcommit. And because i see no downside i will 
use swap too.
I encourage openmoko and dist builders to think about it too.

For those of you who like to try. I have a quick hack.

Put these lines at the end of the initscript /etc/init.d/mountall.sh
##
if test -e /media/card/swapfile 

then
 swapon /media/card/swapfile
fi
sysctl vm.overcommit_memory=0
##
You can choose any other file or make your own, since it is a quick hack 
i did not bother. Remember, /media/card/ needs to be mounted.

Then execute these commands once and reboot.
dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/card/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536
mkswap /media/card/swapfile

This makes 64Mb of swap, you could choose a smaller size if you want. 
Bigger is probably overkill. Depends on how valuable free SD card space 
is to you. ;)

Using a swap partition would be possible too. But then i would have 
needed to partition the SD card which i did not want to do right now.


I think i will make some scripts some time which detect the presence of 
swapfiles of swap partitions and uses them automatically.
And some small helper app to let the user prepare the system for that. 
(creating swapfile)
Should not be too bad to make.

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Re: Several questions about ASU

[julien cubizolles]

Le vendredi 22 août 2008 à 17:14 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra a
écrit :

> > 1 : I can't imagine typing the 20+ random characters of my WPA key in
> > the Wifi GUI. In which file is it stored ? I found it in Qtopia
> > (/home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf) but this file
> > doesn't exist in ASU
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking

That's what I used to do in 2007.2 but I wanted to use the files
generated by the gui and just edit the relevant entry.


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Re: Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA

[Matthew Lane]

Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
> Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>> Any news on new Qtopia WIFI updates?
>>>   
>> 4.3.2 supports tkip and aes.
>> 
>
> i have currently 4.3.2 installed but don't seem to be able to connect
> to my "open" accesspoint. i had no trouble with 2007.2 doing so. i
> see getting a dhcp lease but can't manage to connect to the
> qtopia.net package feed. i even can't ping the FR from my desktop. are
> there still known issues?
>
> best regards ...
> clemens
>
>
>   
I just tried to connect to an open network at lunch (which I have 
previously connected to on 2007.2) and couldn't get past "Unavailable"

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Re: Re: Partitioning 8GB uSD

[Matthew Lane]

arne anka wrote:
> > I'm 
> trying to dual boot with 2008.8 or debian on my uSD but fdisk tells
>> ...
>> qtopia's latest 20080808 image from their website.
>
> now, i am confused.
> do you use 2008.8 _or_ qtopia?
> afair w/ 2008.8 there were no problems, but w/ qtopia qpe block the sd 
> card. some days ago a workaround for qtopia w/ qpe was posted.
>
>
> 
>
I use the 080808 version of Qtopia (4.3.2).  Do you know where I can 
find that workaround?  Ubuntu seems to have trouble reading and writing 
to cards, and I have no internet at home only work :(.

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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

[julien cubizolles]

Le vendredi 22 août 2008 à 18:11 +0200, Alexander Menk a écrit :

> 
> I did like suggested in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide 
> (but replaced om2008.8-dev by om2008.8-testing) after freshly flashing 
> the Om 2008 kernel and rootfs image.

I did basically the same except that I started by flashing raster's
image (from http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/) and the phone isn't
slower than before.


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Re: Partitioning 8GB uSD

[Russell Sears]

arne anka wrote:
>> I'm trying to dual boot with 2008.8 or debian on my uSD but fdisk tells
>> ...
>> qtopia's latest 20080808 image from their website.
> 
> now, i am confused.
> do you use 2008.8 _or_ qtopia?
> afair w/ 2008.8 there were no problems, but w/ qtopia qpe block the sd  
> card. some days ago a workaround for qtopia w/ qpe was posted.

2008.8 has the same problem.  It also uses qpe to scan all the data on 
the SD card at boot.  This is why it's really slow right after it boots 
(eg: seconds to echo keypresses in the dialer...).  I use tangogps and 
it wants to index all the map tiles, so it takes *hours* to scan my SD 
card after each boot...

-Rusty

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Re: Several questions about ASU

[julien cubizolles]

Le vendredi 22 août 2008 à 17:14 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra a
écrit :
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 04:34:19PM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:
> > ASU is finally usable as a phone for me, and I'm ready to use it as my
> > default image instead of Qtopia but I have several questions.
> 
> I have one for you, how did you get it to be finally usable as a phone?
> 
> I mean what steps did you do, because I haven't found it usable yet!

1. Flash raster's image (found at
http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/) to NAND (couldn't get it to
work on the µSD) according to
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner. This image
has the wonderful keyboard.

2. Add zecke's testing repository : create a /etc/opkg/updates.conf
containing 

src/gz daily-all-updates
http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/all
src/gz daily-armv4t-updates
http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/armv4t
src/gz daily-neo1973-updates
http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/neo1973
src/gz daily-om-gta02-updates
http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/om2008.8-testing/om-gta02

3. Get the network running, opkg update, opkg upgrade (for a while) and
you're good to go.


> Either I did something wrong or we just have different usability demands :)
Can make/receive calls/sms. Suspends and wakes up fine, GPS working with
a SDCard inserted... I don't ask for much more at the moment.




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Re: Windows CE on freerunner

[Stroller]

On 22 Aug 2008, at 09:56, Kalle Happonen wrote:
> Jeff Sadowski wrote:
>
> 
>
>>  the whole reason to buy a
>> freerunner is the fact that they support linux.
> 
>
> Isn't the whole reason to buy a freerunner, that you are free to do
> whatever you like with it? :) (the name could give a hint...)

You snipped somewhat selectively there. Sure, you're free to install  
BSD on the Freerunner, too, but installing WindowsCE just removes  
freedoms again, so why bother?

Stroller.
  

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Re: FSO milestone 2 Zhone sending digit

[Xavier Vens]

Hi,

I suppose you mean the button with the square in it, on the middle,
but nothing happend when use that button, the only button that works
is the cross to get out of the dialer.

Your right i have remarked to sames issue when you type the first
digit it does not appear, he is appearing only when you type the
second one.
The same behaviour when you delete the digits.



On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Philippe Guillebert
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Xavier Vens wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Now the dialout works :-); does anybody knows how to send digit to an
>> IVR i called with Zhone ?
>> On the screen, i have the phone dialed with 2 buttons, hold and hangup
>> but no way to send the digits.
>
> Hi,
>
> Click the middle button at the bottom of the screen ; you get back to
> the dialer with digits.
>
> Then, you click the digit you want AND CLICK VALIDATE.
>
> Not obvious, but working !
>
> BTW : there seems to be a little bug when typing numbers in the dialer,
> the first digit isn't showed until the second one is typed.
>
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Re: FSO milestone 2 Zhone sending digit

[Philippe Guillebert]

Xavier Vens wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Now the dialout works :-); does anybody knows how to send digit to an
> IVR i called with Zhone ?
> On the screen, i have the phone dialed with 2 buttons, hold and hangup
> but no way to send the digits.

Hi,

Click the middle button at the bottom of the screen ; you get back to 
the dialer with digits.

Then, you click the digit you want AND CLICK VALIDATE.

Not obvious, but working !

BTW : there seems to be a little bug when typing numbers in the dialer, 
the first digit isn't showed until the second one is typed.


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Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA

[Clemens Kirchgatterer]

Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Any news on new Qtopia WIFI updates?
> 
> 4.3.2 supports tkip and aes.

i have currently 4.3.2 installed but don't seem to be able to connect
to my "open" accesspoint. i had no trouble with 2007.2 doing so. i
see getting a dhcp lease but can't manage to connect to the
qtopia.net package feed. i even can't ping the FR from my desktop. are
there still known issues?

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

[Chris Wright]

2008/8/22 Chris Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/8/22 Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Pardon.
>> I don't care for the warm and fuzzy feeling you get by having malloc
>> fail on you.
>>
>> It does not give you a bit more system stability! The one app
>> receiving malloc errors is just not app of many. They all have a
>> problem then.
>> Imagine, the browser catches a failed malloc, because some other
>> stupid app has eaten almost all ram.
>> What is the benefit of telling the browser about low mem? It could
>> only safe itself from crashing. Well done.
>
> Imagine that malloc() returns null rather than overcommitting.
> Most affected apps will receive a SIGSEGV when malloc returns null
> because there's no error handling for that situation.
> Some will notice that malloc() returned null and either forgo some
> optional stuff or abort a single operation or simply just shut down
> gracefully.

On the other hand, let's say your process allocates some memory and
doesn't use it for a while. In the meantime, some memory is freed.
This doesn't help if malloc() returned null, but it does help if the
kernel overcommitted memory instead.

I don't think that's as useful. But you could instead define a malloc:
void* _malloc(size_t length)
{
   void* pointer = malloc(length);
   if (!mlock(pointer, length)) return null; // or abort
   return pointer;
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Re: Several questions about ASU

[Alexander Menk]

Hi,

here are the URLs for Google Maps in TangoGPS:

http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/12-FAQ.html

Alex

Yorick Moko wrote:

Rui,
could you please post how to use google maps with tangoGPS?
thanks a lot
y

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 04:34:19PM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:

ASU is finally usable as a phone for me, and I'm ready to use it as my
default image instead of Qtopia but I have several questions.

I have one for you, how did you get it to be finally usable as a phone?

I mean what steps did you do, because I haven't found it usable yet!

Either I did something wrong or we just have different usability demands :)


1 : I can't imagine typing the 20+ random characters of my WPA key in
the Wifi GUI. In which file is it stored ? I found it in Qtopia
(/home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf) but this file
doesn't exist in ASU

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking


2 : How do I configure the gps application to store and use the maps on
a special directory (on the SD card for example)

I only know for TangoGPS, and I got Google Maps working, but without
sattelite photos :(

Does anyone know the URL for Google Maps Sattelite view?

The rest I don't know, sorry :)

Rui

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Re: Several questions about ASU

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:24:36PM +0200, Yorick Moko wrote:
> could you please post how to use google maps with tangoGPS?
> thanks a lot

It's on TangoGPS FAQ

http://www.tangogps.org/gps/articles/12-FAQ.html

Look at "Can I use other map repositories?"

Basically you just point the URL to:

http://mt0.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2p.64&hl=en&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d3&s=Galileo

And check the "Inversed" check-box.

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Re: Several questions about ASU

[Yorick Moko]

Rui,
could you please post how to use google maps with tangoGPS?
thanks a lot
y

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 04:34:19PM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:
>> ASU is finally usable as a phone for me, and I'm ready to use it as my
>> default image instead of Qtopia but I have several questions.
>
> I have one for you, how did you get it to be finally usable as a phone?
>
> I mean what steps did you do, because I haven't found it usable yet!
>
> Either I did something wrong or we just have different usability demands :)
>
>> 1 : I can't imagine typing the 20+ random characters of my WPA key in
>> the Wifi GUI. In which file is it stored ? I found it in Qtopia
>> (/home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf) but this file
>> doesn't exist in ASU
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking
>
>> 2 : How do I configure the gps application to store and use the maps on
>> a special directory (on the SD card for example)
>
> I only know for TangoGPS, and I got Google Maps working, but without
> sattelite photos :(
>
> Does anyone know the URL for Google Maps Sattelite view?
>
> The rest I don't know, sorry :)
>
> Rui
>
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Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Who wants to test them?

[Michael Shiloh]

Lothar Behrens wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 13:55 +0200 schrieb Lothar Behrens:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> just a note: I knew about another CAD software, that will convert IGES
>> or ProE format and is Open Source.
>>
>>
>> See this link for more information: http://brlcad.org/
>>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I do currently convert these iges files into g files that could be read
> directly by mged of the BRL-CAD package. If someone is interested, I
> could upload a tgz file to anywhere if the conversion is ready.
> 
> The CAD package also was compileable without any problems on my Debian
> Etch (PPC)
> 
> Regards
> 
> Lothar

Hi Lothar,

That's very kind of you. I would be happy to host these files on 
downloads.openmoko.

In fact, the only files OM created are the PRO/E files. The IGES and 
STEP files are community provided.

If anyone can provide conversions to any other format we are happy to 
host them on downloads.

If you place the files somewhere temporary and tell me, I will copy them 
to downloads.

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Freitag, den 22.08.2008, 13:32 +0300 schrieb Aapo Rantalainen:
> Hi, Dabian has old matchbox-keyboard ...

I ususally recommend people to talk to the debian maintainer of the
package, to let him know that his package is used and his work
appreciated. A wishlist bug against matchbox-keyboard mentioning a new
version is usually well received, as is filing bugs for useful patches.

This is a general invitation to all users of Debian on their FreeRunner
to get involved by working directly with the Debian project. This is, in
the long run, more productive than patches floating around and
work-arounds on wiki pages (although these are useful in between, until
things are sorted out properly with the upstream authors and packaga
maintainers).

If you file or find bugs that are relevant for us, feel free to add them
to the list on http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianFSO at the bottom.

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Re: Several questions about ASU

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 04:34:19PM +0200, julien cubizolles wrote:
> ASU is finally usable as a phone for me, and I'm ready to use it as my
> default image instead of Qtopia but I have several questions.

I have one for you, how did you get it to be finally usable as a phone?

I mean what steps did you do, because I haven't found it usable yet!

Either I did something wrong or we just have different usability demands :)

> 1 : I can't imagine typing the 20+ random characters of my WPA key in
> the Wifi GUI. In which file is it stored ? I found it in Qtopia
> (/home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf) but this file
> doesn't exist in ASU

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wireless_Networking

> 2 : How do I configure the gps application to store and use the maps on
> a special directory (on the SD card for example)

I only know for TangoGPS, and I got Google Maps working, but without
sattelite photos :(

Does anyone know the URL for Google Maps Sattelite view?

The rest I don't know, sorry :)

Rui

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Re: Partitioning 8GB uSD

[arne anka]

> I'm trying to dual boot with 2008.8 or debian on my uSD but fdisk tells
> ...
> qtopia's latest 20080808 image from their website.

now, i am confused.
do you use 2008.8 _or_ qtopia?
afair w/ 2008.8 there were no problems, but w/ qtopia qpe block the sd  
card. some days ago a workaround for qtopia w/ qpe was posted.

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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

[Alexander Menk]

Hi!

julien cubizolles wrote:

Le mercredi 20 août 2008 à 14:18 +0200, julien cubizolles a écrit :

Good news, the testing branch of http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/ has
fixed it for me : the phone gets registered everytime, I can make,
receive calls, send/receive a SMS (to myself at least), I can suspend,
wake up with the sound working on a call.


how did you use it?

I did like suggested in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8_Guide 
(but replaced om2008.8-dev by om2008.8-testing) after freshly flashing 
the Om 2008 kernel and rootfs image.


Than I did a "opkg upgrade". Now the phone seems to be really slow, 
almost unusable. Is this normal with Om2008.8 ?


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Re: Debian installed in Flash instead of uSD

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 23:05 -0500 schrieb Eli:
> I got the Debian install to fit in flash, even with several extra things 
> (like 
> vim-gtk) installed, and it's currently showing 53M free.  Here are (somewhat 
> cleaned up) instructions:

congrats, great work!

If you write that into a proper wiki page,
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/MovingToFlash
might be a good location that can be linked from the list of Tipps in
section „Using your Debian system“ on
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner/

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Partitioning 8GB uSD

[Matthew Lane]

Hey all,

I'm trying to dual boot with 2008.8 or debian on my uSD but fdisk tells 
me my card is in use.  I follow the instructions on the wiki page and 
umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 and I get two error messages saying "error device 
is in use," but I don't have anything accessing the card. I'm running 
qtopia's latest 20080808 image from their website.

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Re: Re: Qtopia WIFI WPA

[Matthew Lane]

Lorn Potter wrote:
> Matthew 
> Lane wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm loving the GUI for connecting to a WIFI AP on Qtopia 4.1.4.
>
> 4.1.4? thats ancient :)
> Are you sure this is the correct version?
>
>>
>> However, I'm trying to connect to my university's WPA EAP TKIP 
>> network, and there doesn't seem to be a TKIP option (only 
>> TLS/TTLS/PEAP).  Also, when I view security certificates, the next 
>> screen simple shows "Empty Text" and I'm not able to select any 
>> security certificates.
>>
>> Any news on new Qtopia WIFI updates?
>
> 4.3.2 supports tkip and aes.
>
>
Okay I found it thanks, I must be blind.

What about server certificates?  I need the Thawte Premium Server CA 
root certificate and I can't seem to find any certificates on Qtopia.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

[Chris Wright]

2008/8/22 Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Pardon.
> I don't care for the warm and fuzzy feeling you get by having malloc
> fail on you.
>
> It does not give you a bit more system stability! The one app
> receiving malloc errors is just not app of many. They all have a
> problem then.
> Imagine, the browser catches a failed malloc, because some other
> stupid app has eaten almost all ram.
> What is the benefit of telling the browser about low mem? It could
> only safe itself from crashing. Well done.

Imagine that malloc() returns null rather than overcommitting.
Most affected apps will receive a SIGSEGV when malloc returns null
because there's no error handling for that situation.
Some will notice that malloc() returned null and either forgo some
optional stuff or abort a single operation or simply just shut down
gracefully.

Imagine that malloc() returns an invalid pointer when it overcommits.
All affected apps will receive a SIGSEGV in this case, without some
unusual error checking.

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Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Who wants to test them?

[shawnzier]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 04:52:54PM +0200, Lothar Behrens wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 13:55 +0200 schrieb Lothar Behrens:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 
> > just a note: I knew about another CAD software, that will convert IGES
> > or ProE format and is Open Source.
> > 
> > 
> > See this link for more information: http://brlcad.org/
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I do currently convert these iges files into g files that could be read
> directly by mged of the BRL-CAD package. If someone is interested, I
> could upload a tgz file to anywhere if the conversion is ready.
> 
> The CAD package also was compileable without any problems on my Debian
> Etch (PPC)
> 
> Regards
> 
> Lothar

I am definitely interested. When I tried to convert them myself, the
reference planes were in the files. I am new to brl-cad and wasn't sure
if it was possible to take them out if they weren't defined as separate
primitives or whatever.

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Re: which bootloader?

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 22 August 2008, Brian Wilson wrote:
> The wiki says "The latest bootloader binary builds can be found under
> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily"; but when I go there I find 12
> files. I can narrow it down to these 3 based on the "gta02"
> and I can guess that the vN refers to a revision of my phone. Which
> phone do I have? Is it marked somewhere?
>
> uboot-gta02v2-latest.bin
> 22-Aug-2008 02:14  211K
> uboot-gta02v4-latest.bin
> 22-Aug-2008 02:14  211K
> uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin
> 22-Aug-2008 02:14  212K
>
> I want to try Debian and first thing it says it to make sure my Uboot
> is up to date.

If you bought it then it's GTA02v5 or later, and needs 
uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin. 

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Re: which bootloader?

[arne anka]

> and I can guess that the vN refers to a revision of my phone. Which
> phone do I have? Is it marked somewhere?

this has been discussed several times and exhaustingly.
wherever you look, mailinglist archives or wiki you should immediately  
find that the only gta02 revision currently in the wild is v5.


> uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin
> 22-Aug-2008 02:14  212K

that's the one you need.

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

[Tilman Baumann]

Clemens Kirchgatterer wrote:
> Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> 44kbyte are not very impressive, but they prove my point never the
>> less. This memory is obviously waste. It stays in swap for ages. Not
>> much saved, but anyhow. It is memory that did not need to be in ram.
> 
> Tilman, i agree to most points you made in this thread, but i think the
> discussion is moot anyway. adding swap to our FR is easy enought, so
> everyone can do what he thinks is right. 
Which brings me to something i wanted to ask you.
Where is the no-overcommit switched on? I could not find it via grep in etc.
Is it a compile time default from the kernel? Or is there some setup 
script i overlooked?

Some automatic swapon if swapfile or partition is found on SD might be 
my first contribution to openmoko... :)

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which bootloader?

[Brian Wilson]

The wiki says "The latest bootloader binary builds can be found under
http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily"; but when I go there I find 12
files. I can narrow it down to these 3 based on the "gta02"
and I can guess that the vN refers to a revision of my phone. Which
phone do I have? Is it marked somewhere?

uboot-gta02v2-latest.bin
22-Aug-2008 02:14  211K
uboot-gta02v4-latest.bin
22-Aug-2008 02:14  211K
uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin
22-Aug-2008 02:14  212K

I want to try Debian and first thing it says it to make sure my Uboot
is up to date.

Thanks Brian

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Re: Partitioning 4GB with the Debian Installer

[Stefan Fröbe]

> > I found that lowering the glamo MMC clock by a factor of 1/2 repeatedly,
> > until I found a stable clock speed, worked fine for me.
> >
>
> I'm not sure how to do that.  Is it pretty straight forward?
>

Depends on what you call straight-forward: you can search for
glamo_mci.sd_max_clk
, a description can for instance be found at
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1743 :

Basically you need to set this variable in the u-boot environment - I
reduced it even down to 500 , but more might also work - ymmv. Whether
setting this through /sys parameter works I do not know - does anyone know?

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

[Clemens Kirchgatterer]

Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 44kbyte are not very impressive, but they prove my point never the
> less. This memory is obviously waste. It stays in swap for ages. Not
> much saved, but anyhow. It is memory that did not need to be in ram.

Tilman, i agree to most points you made in this thread, but i think the
discussion is moot anyway. adding swap to our FR is easy enought, so
everyone can do what he thinks is right. a few years ago i also was one
of the people who thought not having a swap partition would make my
linux desktop "faster". oh, dear. :-P

best regards ...
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Re: Freerunner CAD Files - IGES ans STEP formats availalbe - Who wants to test them?

[Lothar Behrens]

Am Donnerstag, den 21.08.2008, 13:55 +0200 schrieb Lothar Behrens:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> just a note: I knew about another CAD software, that will convert IGES
> or ProE format and is Open Source.
> 
> 
> See this link for more information: http://brlcad.org/
> 

Hi,

I do currently convert these iges files into g files that could be read
directly by mged of the BRL-CAD package. If someone is interested, I
could upload a tgz file to anywhere if the conversion is ready.

The CAD package also was compileable without any problems on my Debian
Etch (PPC)

Regards

Lothar



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Re: ASU - out of memory?

[Clemens Kirchgatterer]

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Problem is, your might not have the memory to trawl those .desktop
> > files.
> 
> thus my original "write a root daemon - setsched() to realtime
> priority and mlock() memory space down! (and of course read every
> page of memory to make sure it's paged in) :)

from man mlock:

mlock() locks pages in the address range starting at addr and
continuing for len  bytes. All  pages that contain a part of the
specified address range are guaranteed to be resi‐ dent in RAM when the
call returns successfully; the pages are guaranteed to stay in  RAM
until later unlocked.

so reading every page seams unnessesary to me.

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Re: Partitioning 4GB with the Debian Installer

[Greg Bonett]

>
> I found that lowering the glamo MMC clock by a factor of 1/2 repeatedly,
> until I found a stable clock speed, worked fine for me.
>

I'm not sure how to do that.  Is it pretty straight forward?

Thanks.

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comment of an iphone user

[Matthias Berse]

Hi  All,

I finally decided to post something to this list I experienced today.

I have a collegue I work with who is usually the first to get new cool tech
gadgets. Sure enough he got both the first iphone and now just recently the
second iphone.

After hesitating for some days after getting the freerunner I would show it
to him today.

He was stunned! He said it feels really good in the hand. Actually thats the
kind of feedback most people I know told me immidiately after handing it to
them. Also the rubber like finish, he thinks is much better then the finish
on the iphone.

Sure enough he was blown away by the detail the display shows and really
really impressed by the fact that this is all result of an open source
project.

The boots, well he liked them since he knows... And his comment about the
linux kernel messages: Ah the same with a cracked iphone (I never cared to
look into iphones that deep).

So I think this was really cool since I did not demo much more just boot and
tangogps and illume.

So let's all get our hands dirty and make the software stack rock solid to
make the neo's rock and roll!

Openmoko Team keep up the good work!

Cheers,

Matthias
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Several questions about ASU

[julien cubizolles]

ASU is finally usable as a phone for me, and I'm ready to use it as my
default image instead of Qtopia but I have several questions. I
apologize if their answer is already in the wiki or the list but I
couldn't find it.

1 : I can't imagine typing the 20+ random characters of my WPA key in
the Wifi GUI. In which file is it stored ? I found it in Qtopia
(/home/root/Applications/Network/config/wlan0.conf) but this file
doesn't exist in ASU

2 : How do I configure the gps application to store and use the maps on
a special directory (on the SD card for example)

3 : Is there a GUI available for Bluetooth pairing, ftp ?

4 : How do you configure which sound file to use for a ringtone ?

5 : Are there any calendar/tasks applications available ?

6 : Where do the many applications from this screenshot
http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/thumb/d/df/Om2008_home.png/200px-Om2008_home.png
 come from ? 

Thanks for your help.




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Re: Can't get the phone registered (ticket #1766)

[julien cubizolles]

Le mercredi 20 août 2008 à 14:18 +0200, julien cubizolles a écrit :

Good news, the testing branch of http://people.openmoko.org/~zecke/ has
fixed it for me : the phone gets registered everytime, I can make,
receive calls, send/receive a SMS (to myself at least), I can suspend,
wake up with the sound working on a call.


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Re: Openmoko @ Linuxworld

[Steve Mosher]

Ken was great. when I first thought to have the community help staff the 
booth, i had no idea how well it work out. the community speaks better 
for the product and the ideals than anyone can.

Michael Shiloh wrote:
> Nice work Ken, one of our community volunteers!
> 
> Yorick Moko wrote:
>> subject says it all
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJjNF36DfI
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Re: sound problems on 2008.08

[Michael Kluge]

Interesting: openmoko-sound-theme-standard2 was not installed.

Works now.


Michael

Am Freitag, 22. August 2008 07:36:35 schrieb Michael Kluge:
> Hi,
>
> I am running 2008.08 and the phone does not make any sound on an incomming
> call or when I get a SMS or an entry from my calendar should pop up. I can
> hear music with openmoko-mediaplayer. The profile in the settings is set
> to "ring and vibrate". "ring only" does not give any sound either.
>
> Any suggestions what could be wrong? I could not found a mixer app for the
> qtopia stuff. Is there any?
>
>
>
> Michael

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Re: Garbled SMS messages with OM2008.8?

[Vibhav Sharma]

Lorn Potter wrote:
> Matthew Lane wrote:
>   
>> Tim Erwin wrote:
>> 
>> I've been running OM2008.8 on my freerunner for a little over a week now.
>> For about a week, SMS's worked fine, but for the last few days the SMSs I
>> receive have been garbled - a mixture of characters like ">?Èù¥£ì"
>> 
>> 
>>> I only get garbled messages from my service provider. This is when I
>>> miss a call and I should get a SMS to say that I have voice mail
>>> message please cal 212 but with the qtopia 080808 image I get a
>>> similar garbled result.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> I also get garbled text messages sometimes.  Usually a great deal of 
>> them, that make no sense, and sometimes numbers that I've never heard of 
>> (eg. 611211) or something along those lines.
>>
>> Some kind of data corruption?  I'm using Qtopia 20080808.
>> 
>
> No, its Qtopia being silly.
>
>   
I am also running QTopia and all messages from my Service Provider / 
Google etc are garbled. Messages from my contacts are normal.

So what do you mean by 'Qtopia being silly' ???

Regards,
Vibhav

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Re: Windows CE on freerunner

[Alex Osborne]

On 22/08/2008, at 1:19 PM, Vikas Saurabh wrote:

> I would definitely give it a try. Not intereseted in font blitting,  
> so would stick to the morse code idea :).
> Would send out the details (and wiki them).

Here you go, I wrote an extremely simple example program:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bare_metal

I don't have a physical device yet, so I've only tested this in qemu,  
but I can't see any obvious reason why it shouldn't work on the real  
thing.  You should be able to upload it with u-boot in USB console  
mode using kermit.  There should also be a way to flash it on in  
place of a kernel image or put it on a SD card, but I'm not familiar  
enough with u-boot to know how to do it.  Anyway, for testing it's  
probably much easier just to send it via USB each time, rather than  
mucking around reflashing or putting SD cards in and out.

You might need to adjust the for loop, as I set it based on the speed  
of qemu on my PC, it'll probably be completely different speed  
running on the device.  You might like to extend it to flash "hello  
world" in morse code, or use an LED or the vibrator instead.  You  
could get really fancy and have it "read" morse code from someone  
tapping the AUX button and make simple morse-code shell or some  
such. ;-)

If you try it on a real device, please add instructions on how you  
did it to the wiki page.

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Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

[Lothar Behrens]

Am Freitag, den 22.08.2008, 21:48 +1200 schrieb robin paulson:
> Lothar Behrens wrote:
> > besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I 
> > like to ask another question:
> > 
> > There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. 
> > And the commentary was
> > 'How to take an emergency call ?'
> > 
> > Would such a specialized uImage.bin able to manage such an emergency call ?
> > 
> > If so, why not developing such a secondary image and change the power on 
> > screen by adding an emergency
> > button and let the user the change to do so ?
> > 
> > I think, this is very important.
> 
> 
> it's a nice idea, something like the splashtop[1] BIOS used in asus 
> motherboards?
> 
> problem is, you're relying on people thinking clearly, being able to 
> make good logical decisions and correctly choosing the environment to 
> boot into on startup. unfortunately, this is the last thing most people 
> can do in the sort of high-stress situation which typically demands an 
> emergency call.
> 
> if you study some mobiles, they are able to make emergency calls without 
> unlocking the screen, because manufacturers realise people can't even 
> manage that simple task when they panic, even something they may do 20 
> times a day
> 
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop
> 

I have talked about boot options. At this time there is no locking
screen. Simply there should be a button to bypass the normal boot by
pressing and go into an emergency mode.

This way only 8 seconds may be remaining until a emergency call would be
possible. Not 2 minutes.

The unlock screen may have a top left area and a top right area. Right
would be normal unlock and left maybe emergency call.

You must have a lock, since otherwise you may accidantly issue an
emergency call.

Lothar

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Re: kernel module dev

[Javi Roman]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Tomasz Czapiewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I've got a question on kernel development.  I want to try to get some USB
>> webcam support working, which requires gspca plus usb-video and a few other
>> modules, not presently being build.  can someone lead me by the hand to the
>> simplest path to being able to build modules for the 2008.08 kernel?  Until
>> recently gspca has been built outside the kernel source tree, but
>> apparently is merged into the standard kernel source as of 2.6.26 or
>> 2.6.27.  This driver covers perhaps 35% of USB webcams, including much of
>> the Logitech line.
>>

You have to compile your modules against kernel source tree used to
compile the current kernel image running in you FR. In order to do
this you have to build the kernel image using the MokoMakefile (the
OpenMoko framework I mean) and change the kernel image and modules of
your FR.

On the other hand you can download the toolchain
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain) and compile your kernel (see
Advanced Topics) and modules, so you can to change the kernel and
modules of your FR.

The most important thing is to compile usb-video modules against the
kernel tree used for compile your current FR kernel image.

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Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- a few questions/solutions

[Aapo Rantalainen]

Hi, Dabian has old matchbox-keyboard but there are newer and better
working version too. e.g. you can put 

I do not know is this The Latest version and I do not know how to use
svn, but this way you can grab 40Mb matchbox code and there are
matchbox-keyboard-folder too. This is only folder you need (if you are
interested in only matchbox-keyboard).

svn checkout http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/matchbox/trunk


And there are patch that allows you change layout on the fly.
http://bugzilla.openedhand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=574
It is splitted in to five files. And the last one need manual tweaking.
Then you can map a button to layout changer 

One of patch files uses different p-value.

patch -p1 < fix-util-list-logic.patch
patch -p0 < add-multi-layout-support.patch
patch -p1 < add-get-all-layouts.patch
patch -p1 < move-base_alloc_foo-to-layout.patch
patch -p1 < make-base-alloc-foo-layout-specific.patch


I merged them all:
http://lauta.dyndns.org/freerunner/multi_layout.diff

Ready compiled binary for freerunner/debian
http://lauta.dyndns.org/freerunner/matchbox-keyboard

And one example layout. At this moment basic finnish+crap numpad.
http://lauta.dyndns.org/freerunner/keyboard.xml


And more things that I do not know. What is matchbox-keyboard that Om
2008.8 uses.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Change_keyboard_layout

layout switcher looks like this:



-Aapo Rantalainen

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Video on Freerunner?

[Leonti]

Here is the page describing how to play videos on Freerunner:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player
So I have some questions:
Did anyone tried to transcode videos on the Freerunner itself? 
For example: go to youtube -> download video to sd card -> transcode it to
the needed format(how long does it take, by the way) -> watch it?

Is it useable?
Does someone watch videos often on the freerunner?
Are there any new developments for the video playback sinse that wiki page
is updated?


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Re: FSO testing on Neo 1973

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

Hello,

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So just to confirm your setup ...
>
> 1/ You installed the gta01 fso-testing image from shr.bearstech.com
> 2/ You installed gllin
> 3/ You applied the patches from trac 49 and 50
> 4/ You edit /etc/frameworkd.conf as detailed in trac 49
> 5/ You rebooted after all this

1 - 5: check, I did those.

> 6/ cat /tmp/nmeaNP gives output, including FIX lines

Well, when I test this now I don't get FIX:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /tmp/nmeaNP | grep GPRMC
$GPRMC,100420.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7A
$GPRMC,100421.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7B
$GPRMC,100422.00,V,,,220808,,,N*78
$GPRMC,100423.00,V,,,220808,,,N*79
$GPRMC,100424.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7E
$GPRMC,100425.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7F
$GPRMC,100426.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7C
$GPRMC,100427.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7D
$GPRMC,100428.00,V,,,220808,,,N*72
$GPRMC,100429.00,V,,,220808,,,N*73
$GPRMC,100430.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7B
$GPRMC,100431.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7A
$GPRMC,100432.00,V,,,220808,,,N*79
$GPRMC,100433.00,V,,,220808,,,N*78
$GPRMC,100434.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7F
$GPRMC,100435.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7E
$GPRMC,100436.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7D
$GPRMC,100437.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7C
$GPRMC,100438.00,V,,,220808,,,N*73
$GPRMC,100439.00,V,,,220808,,,N*72
$GPRMC,100440.00,V,,,220808,,,N*7C

That worked yesterday. Hmm, perhaps my external antenna is broken?
Update: I just plugged the antenna in my FreeRunner, and within
minutes the agpsui program acquired 4 satellites and a position. It is
now 5 satellites. So the antenna isn't broken.

> 7/ dbus-monitor --system does not show any GPS-related signals

I didn't know about that one. It does show gps activity:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dbus-monitor --system
signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=:1.10
path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus;
member=NameAcquired
   string ":1.10"
signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gpsd;
interface=org.gpsd; member=fix
   double nan
   int32 1
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
signal sender=:1.3 -> dest=(null destination) path=/org/gpsd;
interface=org.gpsd; member=fix
   double nan
   int32 1
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan
   double nan

and so on.

So the antenna works, but gglin isn't outputtig fix lines. What can be wrong?
-- 
Regards,
Torfinn Ingolfsen

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Re: Battery Charge Solution(Not)

[Harald Koenig]

On Aug 10, Scott wrote:

> The first one that is packaged up
> 
> http://hdr.meetr.de/neo/openmoko/battery/battery_0.20080721_armv4t.ipk

thanks for the pointer -- great tool!!!

> I installed but no icon on the desktop. It installed a desktop file and 
> icon file in the  correct place but nothing is displayed.

I had the same problem and it took me a while to find out that in

/usr/share/applications/battery.desktop

changing the line

Categories=Application;System;
to
Categories=Application;


makes the icon apear (at least for me;).

also have a look on

 http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1718

in case of python (pygtk) errors...



I have no idea what's about the "system" category icons,
if/when/where the should show up.  in my Om 2008.8 setup
I have two more such "system" desktop files:

  assassin.desktop
  qtopia-clock.desktop

any hints on the desktop icon/category stuff ?


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Re: Emergency call at boot time functionality (was Re: Windows CE on freerunner)

[robin paulson]

Lothar Behrens wrote:
> besides of WindowsCE and I don't like it on my phone for dayly use, I 
> like to ask another question:
> 
> There were some comments when booting Linux it take about 2-3 minutes. 
> And the commentary was
> 'How to take an emergency call ?'
> 
> Would such a specialized uImage.bin able to manage such an emergency call ?
> 
> If so, why not developing such a secondary image and change the power on 
> screen by adding an emergency
> button and let the user the change to do so ?
> 
> I think, this is very important.


it's a nice idea, something like the splashtop[1] BIOS used in asus 
motherboards?

problem is, you're relying on people thinking clearly, being able to 
make good logical decisions and correctly choosing the environment to 
boot into on startup. unfortunately, this is the last thing most people 
can do in the sort of high-stress situation which typically demands an 
emergency call.

if you study some mobiles, they are able to make emergency calls without 
unlocking the screen, because manufacturers realise people can't even 
manage that simple task when they panic, even something they may do 20 
times a day

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop

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Re: ASU - out of memory?

[Tilman Baumann]

Am 22.08.2008 um 02:50 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman):

> On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:49:33 +0200 Tilman Baumann  
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
>
>> And come on. Software is not perfect. Sometimes we have to live  
>> with a
>> dreamteam like (old) firefox and x11. I had times when they had both
>
> man it gets annoying people blaming x11 for memory problems. it is  
> rarely a
> cause. it LOOKs bad because it is allocating ram FOR client apps  
> (like firefox)
> - when firefox asks for 300mb of pixmaps.. the memory sits in x11 -  
> not in
> firefox.

Yea i know. This is how it should be. My X did not always free this  
crap.
>
>
>> hundreds of megs virtual mem. But everything was fine because it  
>> all was
>> just harmlessly been swaped away. I restarted them every weekend to  
>> not
>> let it become worse.
>> Not ideal, but should the system rather be unusable in this  
>> condition?
>
> we should have a userspace oom that on low-memory kills off "user  
> apps" (not
> xserver or wm or basic required processes - just optional ones like  
> calculator,
> addressbook, web browser etc.) when things get low -
ACK
> not going and adding swap.
NACK


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