Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Nishit Dave]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Devendra Gera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Oct 2008, Jelle De Loecker wrote:
>
> > What vesion did you use?
> >
> > I could not install the "stable" one, as I didn't want the echo problem.
> > Hearing EVERYONE say "I can hear myself" as if there's something I can
> > do about it, is very annoying.
>
> I've had that happen to me sometimes since yesterday and I figured out
> why. When I answer calls, the phone sometimes automatically jumps to (or
> starts the cal in) speakerphone mode. Click Options->Headset fixes the
> echo. Mildly annoying sure, but nothing that understanding friends can't
> live with :)
>

To the OP:

I have posted two .state files sometime back, but the message still awaits
moderator approval.  If it does not get through, try changing the settings
mentioned here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem
under Alsamixer channel controls in /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/

HTH.
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Re: [Raster] safe repo?

[The Rasterman]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:39:56 +0200 gromez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:

> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What package feeds are safe to use with the Raster image? (what about
> > Raster plus frameworkd & zhone?)
> >
> > I bricked my FR a few times making the mistake of doing "opkg upgrade"
> > against the FSO-unstable feed I set up to get frameworkd and zhone.  As
> > long as I manually opkg what I want from that feed I'm fine, but an 'opkg
> > upgrade" tries to replace most of E - Enlightenment segv's a couple times,
> > and on shutdown/reboot it hangs (often with an unclickable segv alter
> > onscreen) and I can remain SSH'd to it, where I see exquisite-write sucking
> > up 95%+ CPU.  If I manage to shut down at that point, booting freezes when
> > the kernel is up and the first boot progress screen comes up - I see the
> > 'E' logo and an vertical white line marking the leftmost edge of the
> > progress bar.  Brick.  (unfortunately I was doing all this with a
> > reconstruction script right after flashing, so it took me a couple
> > reflashes to realize I was causing the problem ;)
> >
> 
> I've updated yesterday and I have the same problem after the big *e* upgrade.
> The progress bar of the boot screen didn't start and I can't see any
> error message.
> Is there a way to disable the splash in order to find a solution to
> this problem ?

this has been fixed upstream and in my builds - you upgraded to an untested set
of packages! :( (i definitely didnt up my svnrev patches to any broken
versions) :)

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Re: Using a webcam on the Openmoko

[David Samblas]

Bravo, :) really really cool job, It would be amazing to have something
similar in a 2008.X based distro.
If I got enough free time I will try to to make it work on FDOM but no
promises.

El jue, 09-10-2008 a las 21:47 +, Pierre Pronchery escribió:
>   Hi community,
> 
> I just wanted to let you know that I got a webcam to work on my
> Freerunner. I have written some instructions on the official wiki in
> both English and French:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Webcam
> 
> It could be made much easier already by enabling video input support by
> default in the official kernel builds. I'll file a bug for this next
> thing.
> 
> HTH,


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Re: [Raster] safe repo?

[gromez]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:04 AM, Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What package feeds are safe to use with the Raster image? (what about
> Raster plus frameworkd & zhone?)
>
> I bricked my FR a few times making the mistake of doing "opkg upgrade"
> against the FSO-unstable feed I set up to get frameworkd and zhone.  As
> long as I manually opkg what I want from that feed I'm fine, but an 'opkg
> upgrade" tries to replace most of E - Enlightenment segv's a couple times,
> and on shutdown/reboot it hangs (often with an unclickable segv alter
> onscreen) and I can remain SSH'd to it, where I see exquisite-write sucking
> up 95%+ CPU.  If I manage to shut down at that point, booting freezes when
> the kernel is up and the first boot progress screen comes up - I see the
> 'E' logo and an vertical white line marking the leftmost edge of the
> progress bar.  Brick.  (unfortunately I was doing all this with a
> reconstruction script right after flashing, so it took me a couple
> reflashes to realize I was causing the problem ;)
>

I've updated yesterday and I have the same problem after the big *e* upgrade.
The progress bar of the boot screen didn't start and I can't see any
error message.
Is there a way to disable the splash in order to find a solution to
this problem ?

OS : Raster image + uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable + FSO unstable feeds

Jérôme

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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Nishit Dave]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I must say I am quite pleased with the Freerunner and QTextended.
>
> Battery life is quite good (much more than 1 day). Do note I don't call
> much and don't play around with wifi/gprs/gps at the moment.
>

Battery life seems good, but I have noticed that since the last two days, my
FR gets switched off although battery status must have been around 70%
before I went to sleep...I did use wifi but put it offline, so either it
continues to drain power, or the alarm that doesn't ring drains it in the
morningwho knows.

>
> I noticed that plugging in the headset (while in the car for handsfree
> phone) or listening to music makes the FR switch to "plugged in" mode,
> and unplugging the headset did not switch the FR back to "unplugged".
>
> Did more people notice this?
>

I did too, and was going to post it today, but I noticed that once I receive
a call and have to switch to speakerphone mode to get the earpiece to work,
the phone seems to revert to 'on battery' state, and then the screen dims,
blanks out and the phone suspends normally.

Let me know if this works for you too.
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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Devendra Gera]

On Thu, 09 Oct 2008, Jelle De Loecker wrote:

> What vesion did you use?
>
> I could not install the "stable" one, as I didn't want the echo problem.  
> Hearing EVERYONE say "I can hear myself" as if there's something I can  
> do about it, is very annoying.

I've had that happen to me sometimes since yesterday and I figured out
why. When I answer calls, the phone sometimes automatically jumps to (or
starts the cal in) speakerphone mode. Click Options->Headset fixes the
echo. Mildly annoying sure, but nothing that understanding friends can't
live with :)

--gera.


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Re: [qtopia] Does qtopia desktop work with freerunner?

[undrwater]

Just wanted to get an update on this now that qtextended has been released. 
Syncing is one of my must-haves to use the phone full time. (off topic -
other must-have is book reader...what's happened with Tim Wentworth's
effort?)

Thanks,

Russell

Lorn Potter wrote:
> 
> Kieran Fleming wrote:
>> Lorn,
>> Could you perhaps point us in the direction of this program? I haven't
>> been able to find it myself, and I worry it's one of those Trolltech
>> secrets :)
> 
> Yes. So far it hasn't been released. I will see what I can do.
> 
> 
> -- 
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3G and FR

[Peter Neubauer]

Hi there,
http://anuradha.sayura.net/2008/04/mobitel-3g-with-huawei-e220-on-debian.html
seems to be a good addition to the OpenMoko Wiki if it isn't there
already? Will try it as soon as I get my FR back into working state.

/peter

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car charger

[Joel Newkirk]

Just wanted to post that I received
http://www.cross-mark.com/charger-adapter-black-1000mah-p-962.html in the
mail today.  The FreeRunner automatically kicks into 1000ma charge mode. 
:)  Best $3.00 (delivered) I've spent in a while.

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[Raster] safe repo?

[Joel Newkirk]

What package feeds are safe to use with the Raster image? (what about
Raster plus frameworkd & zhone?)

I bricked my FR a few times making the mistake of doing "opkg upgrade"
against the FSO-unstable feed I set up to get frameworkd and zhone.  As
long as I manually opkg what I want from that feed I'm fine, but an 'opkg
upgrade" tries to replace most of E - Enlightenment segv's a couple times,
and on shutdown/reboot it hangs (often with an unclickable segv alter
onscreen) and I can remain SSH'd to it, where I see exquisite-write sucking
up 95%+ CPU.  If I manage to shut down at that point, booting freezes when
the kernel is up and the first boot progress screen comes up - I see the
'E' logo and an vertical white line marking the leftmost edge of the
progress bar.  Brick.  (unfortunately I was doing all this with a
reconstruction script right after flashing, so it took me a couple
reflashes to realize I was causing the problem ;)

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Re: [Raster+FSO] Silent Zhone

[Joel Newkirk]

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:52:18 +0200, "Julien Cassignol"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You are describing a bug.
> 
> I opened two tickets about that, #174, which describes your situation
> and is closed, and the next one, #176, which another one altogether
> :-).
> 
> You can find them on trac.freesmartphone.org.

This is good news, #174 fixed and in the chute.  I was just about to pluck
my SIM and stick it back in my old phone, now I think I'll hold off and see
if it shows up in the unstable feed soon.

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Re: Accelerometer question

[Joel Newkirk]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:01:14 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Big question:
>   Are the accelerometers constantly draining battery life?
> 
>   or...
> 
>   The rate at which they feed me data only starts up when the file
>   handle is opened, and stops when it's closed?
> 
> If it's the first case, then the init scripts should shut both
> accelerometers down as soon as possible, and software that uses them
> should turn them on as needed.

AFAIK by default they're always powered up.  Certainly apart from the times
I hit 'dead accelerometers' that took a few reflashes to get going again,
I've never had to power them up unless I'd previously powered down.

According to the datasheet at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ST_LIS302DL:

Symbol Parameter Test conditions Min.Max.Unit
  Idd  Supply current T = 25°C, ODR=100Hz 0.3 0.4 mA
IddPdn Current consumption in T = 25°C 1   5  μA
   power-down mode

So the power draw is pretty low, both together being less than one
milliamp.

I suspect that frameworkd will be able to shut them down automatically if
nothing needs them, once accel support is incorporated.  (IIRC it does that
now for other subsystems, like gps)

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Re: Using a webcam on the Openmoko

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Amazing work, Pierre.

:M:


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Re: The best approach to change network configuration from applications.

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Hi Michele,

> reading you message you told that in a future is possible that fso
> framework will manage network interface too. Is correct to think that I
> can use the fso dbus interface to manage wireless?

DBus yes. At this point of time it's still unclear how much FSO will
have to do on their own in the network space and how much it can
delegate to one of the existing connection managers. I'm leaning towards
just a bunch of simple high level calls like:

* Setup the fastest IP connection and notify me when it's up
* Setup the cheapest IP connectoin and notify me when it's up
* Tell me about devices in vincinity
* Send a file to a device

delegating all the hard work to other software.

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Re: OE merge ABI changes

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 11:55:09AM +0100, Graeme Gregory wrote:
> Hi, I have just merged OE->OM for this week, this brings in the OE
> staging ABI change so I will hold off pushing this patchset until 12:00
> GMT on Friday!
> 
> People will need to rm -rf tmp/ before a build will work.
> 
> Sorry about this, but its an essential change needed to make arm
> versions work properly when mixed in the same build.

Will 2.6.26 finally land in? I'm particularly interested in the effect
of the tickless Linux patch on battery life.

Rui

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Accelerometer question

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

Hi,

Big question:
Are the accelerometers constantly draining battery life?

or...

The rate at which they feed me data only starts up when the file
handle is opened, and stops when it's closed?

If it's the first case, then the init scripts should shut both
accelerometers down as soon as possible, and software that uses them
should turn them on as needed.

I'm just wondering, because my 1 year old Nokia 2670 just lasted a whole
week in idle on an 700mAh battery, and OpenMoko lasts only about 8/9
hours in idle with a 1200mAh battery. It is nuts, we all know that, but
I'm more interested right now into extending battery life, as it is my
single greatest problem with OpenMoko right now.

Yes, the software still has edges too rough for non Free Software
passionate developers, but at least for me it is usable enough as a
daily phone except for battery life.

Great job so far guys! :)

Rui

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Re: Using a webcam on the Openmoko

[Charles Pax]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Pierre Pronchery
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I just wanted to let you know that I got a webcam to work on my
> Freerunner. I have written some instructions on the official wiki in
> both English and French:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Webcam
>

Massively cool.

-Charles Pax
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Sarton O'Brien]

On Friday 10 October 2008 03:05:07 Michael Shiloh wrote:
> All things wifi, including known issues and a link to Tom's article, are
> here:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi

Yep, but my point was that Tom's article covers way more than wifi and 
therefore could be indexed under multiple troubleshooting categories, along 
with other external sources. Currently you would have to access each 
applicable wiki area and add the link, then do the same when the link changes.

Rather than than say 'this person did this here', why not say 'see the wifi 
section in troubleshooting' and have a small write up for each link?

There's no problem with linking haphazardly, it just eliminates a single point 
of maintenance.

This is just my view, no need to reply with any links, unless it to a 
troubleshooting index ;) ... I may even compile one up myself for personal use 
as I only use the wiki for troubleshooting and I tend to do more reading and 
searching than anything else. Something like this would be easy to create on 
the fly.

Sarton

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Re: Charging and USB host mode

[Michael Shiloh]

Michele Renda wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hello Peter...
> 
> I think it will be better, if you remove the host mode from your
> Freerunner. Until now, no one reported damaging of his FR when putted to
> recharge in host mode, but I think it will be better to don't be the
> first one :)
> 
> I am pretty sure that FR will not charge when in host mode. I think that
> your phone simply remained without battery. 


That is correct. In normal host mode the FR will not charge.

Details at

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host



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Re: [Raster+FSO] Silent Zhone

[Julien Cassignol]

You are describing a bug.

I opened two tickets about that, #174, which describes your situation
and is closed, and the next one, #176, which another one altogether
:-).

You can find them on trac.freesmartphone.org.

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Using a webcam on the Openmoko

[Pierre Pronchery]

Hi community,

I just wanted to let you know that I got a webcam to work on my
Freerunner. I have written some instructions on the official wiki in
both English and French:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Webcam

It could be made much easier already by enabling video input support by
default in the official kernel builds. I'll file a bug for this next
thing.

HTH,
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Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

[Robin Paulson]

2008/10/10 Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 2008/10/10 Richard Guest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Two questions:
>> Does anyone have an ipk for zenity?

sorry, i meant

http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/zenity_2.20.1-r0_armv4t.ipk

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Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

[Robin Paulson]

2008/10/10 Richard Guest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Two questions:
> Does anyone have an ipk for zenity?

http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/

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Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

[Richard Guest]

Cool.
I went looking for this a while ago, but couldn't find it...

Two questions:
Does anyone have an ipk for zenity?
Has anyone got the iGo running using a PIN?

Chur,
Rich

2008/10/10 Staley, Daniel L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I have had no trouble connecting to my iGo bluetooth keyboard initially.
>  However, after a suspend I have noticed that bluetooth will no longer work.
>  Perhaps the device never gets powered back on?
> Has anyone else noticed this?
>
> A nice zenity gui for connecting to bluetooth keyboards (or really anything
> bluetooth) was written by ScaredyCat a while back.  I use it and it works
> great!
> (see www.bufferunderflow.com?entry=6 for pics and a quick video using the
> keyboard)
>
> Get btkb at:
>
> http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/app_btkb/?rev=14&root=scutil
>
>
> -Dan Staley
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> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?
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> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> did anybody have luck with FDOM and a bluetooth keyboard (iGo to be
> >> exact). hidd seems to be broken, in that it says 'scanning' and
> >> immediately quits...
> >>
> >> Christ van Willegen
> >
> > It'll do this if bluetooth isn't on and working. Use hciconfig to check
> > this.
>
> I turned on Bluetooth in the settings screen (I also tried in the
> 'services' screen), but I didn't have any luck.
>
> Let me try that again...
>
> According to both 'Services' and 'Settings', Bluetooth is 'on', but
> hciconfig returns zilch.
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Re: omview is cool!

[Hendrik Siedelmann]

2008/10/9 Marcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Am Thursday 09 October 2008 21:20:42 schrieb Clemens Kirchgatterer:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > May I suggest to let the .dirs to be hidden somehow? If you have a
>> > lot of applications and you want to navigate through your home it can
>> > take a lot of time.
>>
>> yes, i want sugest this also. and while we are at it. i would prefere
>> to let it start in $HOME and/or remember the last directory it was in.
>
> Yep, that would be useful. :)

Ok hide hidden files is in svn. To remeber the last used directory or
to have a home directory I need to add configuration files. I'll do
this and also add configuration of everything else, but this will take
some time I don't have :(. But don't worry it will come.
For now you can instead add your start directory to the desktop file.

Like this:
In file /usr/share/applications/omview.desktop
...
Exec=omview --ewl-evas-xrender-x11 --ewl-theme ewl_om /home/user/Documents
...

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Re: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug?

[Fox Mulder]

I put it also on the sd-card. I know that normally that isn't the best
thing, but i don't want to use the internal flash because i want to
reserve it for maybe om2008 or anything i may want to try beneath debian. ;)

I don't "feel" any performace issues with the 64MB swapfile on the
sd-card. More the contrary is the fact. Debian is much smoother because
i don't get all the time to the memory limit when running a few
programs. And the FR or maybe debian itself seems to really dislike it
when the memory consumption gets to the limit.

I just created a swapfile with
"dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/disk/swapfile bs=1024 count=65536"
"mkswap /media/disk/swapfile"
and than add it to the fstab with the following line
"/media/disk/swapfile   swap   swap   defaults   0 0"

Not it works like a charm. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> I don't think that this behaviour is a real software bug because this
>> situation shouldn't happen at all. So i don't think that there could be
>> some patch to really fix this.
>>
>> And for me these situations you describe nearly never exist. The problem
>> that the FR hangs occured for me only when the memory usage gets to the
>> limit of the 128MB. But since i use a 64MB swapfile i never experienced
>> it again. And my FR never loosed power since i got it. So i'm wondering
>> what things you do to your FR. ;)
> 
> Bad things I suppose :)
> 
> The swap file sounds like a good idea. Did you put the swap partition on
> the internal flash or the sd card? Intuitively it would appear to be
> better to have the swap on internal flash, if the main os is on the sd
> card.
> 
> 
> 
>> I never lost my partition table and i only use debian for quite some
>> weeks. Anbd i'm happy that the current OM kernel works with
>> suspend/resume without problems.
>>
>> Ciao,
>>  Rainer
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
 What do you mean by shut down "unexpectedly" ?

 The sd-card corruption patch which is in the recent kernels fixes the
 sd-bug when going into suspend and resume which isn't unexpected.
>>> Ok, what I mean is that if the FR hangs for some reason, looses power or
>>> whatever, I must powercycle it to reboot it. When this happens the
>>> debian part of the sd card is unbootable.
>>>
>>> I can then normally rescue it with "testdisk".
>>>
>>> I dont think I ever even tried suspend/resume on debian.
>>>
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> The kernel shipped with debian has the corruption bug.
>> To update your kernel you must do it by hand. The instruction how to do
>> this is in the debian page in the openmoko wiki [1].
>> I changed my /boot partition from vfat to ext2 and symlink the
>> boot-kernel to the one i want to use because i switch between the actual
>> OM and FSO kernels.
> I followed the instructions and installed a new kernel. I still get the
> corruption bug whenever I shut down the FR unexpectedly.
>
>> Ciao,
>>  Rainer
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#How_to_replace_the_default_kernel_with_a_recent_openmoko_kernel>>
>>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
 Which kernel and from when do you use?

 This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm
 suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian.
>>> Ok, how do I ensure I have a newer kernel? I just use the kernel shipped
>>> with Debian, I think.
>>>
 Ciao,
  Rainer

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets 
> corrupted
> and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work
> for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after 
> unexpected
> power down.
>
> Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ?
>
>

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Re: FR adapter - shocking experience!

[Kosa]

hahaha. We should find the way to
send a litle shock when trying to
snooze the alarm three times. :-)

Kosa

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Fox Mulder escribió:
> Carsten Gerlach wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Am Donnerstag 09. Oktober 2008 9:36:26 am schrieb Christ van Willegen:
>> 
>>> this morning, I pulled the FR adapter out of the (230 VAC) socket, and
>>> accidentally touched one of the prongs. I experienced a short shock.
>>>   
>> I can confirm that. I had the same "feeling" this morning, too.
>> 
> This is a nice way to better wake up in the morning. :)
>
> Ciao,
>  Rainer
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Re: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug?

[joakim]

Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I don't think that this behaviour is a real software bug because this
> situation shouldn't happen at all. So i don't think that there could be
> some patch to really fix this.
>
> And for me these situations you describe nearly never exist. The problem
> that the FR hangs occured for me only when the memory usage gets to the
> limit of the 128MB. But since i use a 64MB swapfile i never experienced
> it again. And my FR never loosed power since i got it. So i'm wondering
> what things you do to your FR. ;)

Bad things I suppose :)

The swap file sounds like a good idea. Did you put the swap partition on
the internal flash or the sd card? Intuitively it would appear to be
better to have the swap on internal flash, if the main os is on the sd
card.



> I never lost my partition table and i only use debian for quite some
> weeks. Anbd i'm happy that the current OM kernel works with
> suspend/resume without problems.
>
> Ciao,
>  Rainer
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>>> What do you mean by shut down "unexpectedly" ?
>>>
>>> The sd-card corruption patch which is in the recent kernels fixes the
>>> sd-bug when going into suspend and resume which isn't unexpected.
>> 
>> Ok, what I mean is that if the FR hangs for some reason, looses power or
>> whatever, I must powercycle it to reboot it. When this happens the
>> debian part of the sd card is unbootable.
>> 
>> I can then normally rescue it with "testdisk".
>> 
>> I dont think I ever even tried suspend/resume on debian.
>> 
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The kernel shipped with debian has the corruption bug.
> To update your kernel you must do it by hand. The instruction how to do
> this is in the debian page in the openmoko wiki [1].
> I changed my /boot partition from vfat to ext2 and symlink the
> boot-kernel to the one i want to use because i switch between the actual
> OM and FSO kernels.
 I followed the instructions and installed a new kernel. I still get the
 corruption bug whenever I shut down the FR unexpectedly.

> Ciao,
>  Rainer
>
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#How_to_replace_the_default_kernel_with_a_recent_openmoko_kernel>>
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Which kernel and from when do you use?
>>>
>>> This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm
>>> suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian.
>> Ok, how do I ensure I have a newer kernel? I just use the kernel shipped
>> with Debian, I think.
>>
>>> Ciao,
>>>  Rainer
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted
 and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work
 for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after 
 unexpected
 power down.

 Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ?


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Re: FR adapter - shocking experience!

[Fox Mulder]

Carsten Gerlach wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Donnerstag 09. Oktober 2008 9:36:26 am schrieb Christ van Willegen:
>> this morning, I pulled the FR adapter out of the (230 VAC) socket, and
>> accidentally touched one of the prongs. I experienced a short shock.
> 
> I can confirm that. I had the same "feeling" this morning, too.
This is a nice way to better wake up in the morning. :)

Ciao,
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Re: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug?

[Fox Mulder]

I don't think that this behaviour is a real software bug because this
situation shouldn't happen at all. So i don't think that there could be
some patch to really fix this.

And for me these situations you describe nearly never exist. The problem
that the FR hangs occured for me only when the memory usage gets to the
limit of the 128MB. But since i use a 64MB swapfile i never experienced
it again. And my FR never loosed power since i got it. So i'm wondering
what things you do to your FR. ;)
I never lost my partition table and i only use debian for quite some
weeks. Anbd i'm happy that the current OM kernel works with
suspend/resume without problems.

Ciao,
 Rainer

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> What do you mean by shut down "unexpectedly" ?
>>
>> The sd-card corruption patch which is in the recent kernels fixes the
>> sd-bug when going into suspend and resume which isn't unexpected.
> 
> Ok, what I mean is that if the FR hangs for some reason, looses power or
> whatever, I must powercycle it to reboot it. When this happens the
> debian part of the sd card is unbootable.
> 
> I can then normally rescue it with "testdisk".
> 
> I dont think I ever even tried suspend/resume on debian.
> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
 The kernel shipped with debian has the corruption bug.
 To update your kernel you must do it by hand. The instruction how to do
 this is in the debian page in the openmoko wiki [1].
 I changed my /boot partition from vfat to ext2 and symlink the
 boot-kernel to the one i want to use because i switch between the actual
 OM and FSO kernels.
>>> I followed the instructions and installed a new kernel. I still get the
>>> corruption bug whenever I shut down the FR unexpectedly.
>>>
 Ciao,
  Rainer


 [1]
 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#How_to_replace_the_default_kernel_with_a_recent_openmoko_kernel>>
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Which kernel and from when do you use?
>>
>> This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm
>> suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian.
> Ok, how do I ensure I have a newer kernel? I just use the kernel shipped
> with Debian, I think.
>
>> Ciao,
>>  Rainer
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted
>>> and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work
>>> for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected
>>> power down.
>>>
>>> Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ?
>>>
>>>

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Re: omview is cool!

[Marcel]

Am Thursday 09 October 2008 21:20:42 schrieb Clemens Kirchgatterer:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > May I suggest to let the .dirs to be hidden somehow? If you have a
> > lot of applications and you want to navigate through your home it can
> > take a lot of time.
>
> yes, i want sugest this also. and while we are at it. i would prefere
> to let it start in $HOME and/or remember the last directory it was in.

Yep, that would be useful. :)

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Re: The best approach to change network configuration from applications.

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Hello Michael

I am developing an application for [EMAIL PROTECTED], and some persons asked
me to add, in Wifi section, to manage wireless connection.

I have Network Manager installed, but I saw it doesn't reconize wifi
chip. So, to implement it I have two soluction:

a) a gui wrapper for iwlist
b) a gui wrapper for wpa supplicant

reading you message you told that in a future is possible that fso
framework will manage network interface too. Is correct to think that I
can use the fso dbus interface to manage wireless?
Is something linked to fso-wireless-glue?

Thank you for your attention
Michele Renda

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 09.10.2008, 11:24 +0200 schrieb Nicola Mfb:
>> I'm trying to write a test application that should change the network
>> configuration with a gui, what's the best approach?
>> Manually change /etc/network/interfaces? a wrapper library to do that?
>> dbus api call?
> 
> Networking is on scope for FSO, but will be tackled not before end of
> this year.
> 
> :M:
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Re: omview is cool!

[Clemens Kirchgatterer]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> May I suggest to let the .dirs to be hidden somehow? If you have a
> lot of applications and you want to navigate through your home it can
> take a lot of time.

yes, i want sugest this also. and while we are at it. i would prefere
to let it start in $HOME and/or remember the last directory it was in.

thanx, ...
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Re: Charging and USB host mode

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Hello Peter...

I think it will be better, if you remove the host mode from your
Freerunner. Until now, no one reported damaging of his FR when putted to
recharge in host mode, but I think it will be better to don't be the
first one :)

I am pretty sure that FR will not charge when in host mode. I think that
your phone simply remained without battery. Now it will be a bit
complicated to start again your phone, you will need a bit of patiend.

The first thing you can do is to leave your freerunner under recharge,
also if you don't see nothing on the screen. Then after 20 minutes, try
to remove and to reput under recharge. Ofter this is enaught.

If it don't run, you can try to search if you have a nokia compatible
battery to boot the FR, and then, after the boot, to switch the battery.
This will put you empty battery to recharge.

If also this doesn't run, please write here again, that will try to find
a solution.

Good luck
Michele Renda

Peter Neubauer wrote:
> Hi,
> I think I am having a problem with my FR. i put it in USB host mode
> using Debian and Sephora. Then, I guess the battery emtied, and now
> even with the Power adapter plugged in it is not starting at all.
> Could it be that it is not charging because it is still in USB host
> mode?
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> /peter
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Charging and USB host mode

[Peter Neubauer]

Hi,
I think I am having a problem with my FR. i put it in USB host mode
using Debian and Sephora. Then, I guess the battery emtied, and now
even with the Power adapter plugged in it is not starting at all.
Could it be that it is not charging because it is still in USB host
mode?

Any help would be appreciated.

/peter

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Re: FR adapter - shocking experience!

[Carsten Gerlach]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag 09. Oktober 2008 9:36:26 am schrieb Christ van Willegen:
>
> this morning, I pulled the FR adapter out of the (230 VAC) socket, and
> accidentally touched one of the prongs. I experienced a short shock.

I can confirm that. I had the same "feeling" this morning, too.

Greetings, Carsten


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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Paul]

Hello Lorn,

> You can do this to twiddle with volumes:
> alsactl restore -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarious/stereout.state
> alsamixer
> alsactl store -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarious/stereout.stat

Magic! Thank you! New toys to play with. :-)
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Re: FR adapter - shocking experience!

[Thorben Krueger]

It might be a case of the transformator working in reverse: A small
voltage applied to the usb output leads to a high voltage at the
prongs. This could also be caused by a capacitator on the low voltage
end, but I am not sure.

Just guessing here.

However, if you were to touch the prongs the moment they were out of
the socket, the coil could still hold some potential to shock you.

Also just guessing.

Thorben

2008/10/9 Christ van Willegen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi,
>
> this morning, I pulled the FR adapter out of the (230 VAC) socket, and
> accidentally touched one of the prongs. I experienced a short shock.
>
> Is there a capacitor in there that can do that? It was fully out of
> the socket when I touched it!
>
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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Lorn Potter]

Paul wrote:
>> I heard today that turning down the speaker volume should fix this 
>> somewhat. Problem is that, after a reboot, this is set to max again. I 
>> intend to have a look at some files and see if I can incorporate a dirty 
>> hack for the time being, to fix this. No promises that this will bring 
>> anything, though.
>>   
> 
> Right. No fix, since I don't see a place where I could grab it in the neck.
> I did find that the phone volume setting is in 
> /home/root/Settings/Trolltech/Phone.conf. Somehow, after a reboot, the 
> setting of this file is not used and implemented, but some default 
> setting is used.
> 
> I found the default Qtopia Phone.conf and played around with that, but 
> to no avail.
> After a reboot the speaker volume is at 127 (max), not at 90 (which is 
> in the Phone.conf in $HOME/Settings/Trolltech/Phone.conf). After just 
> looking at the setting, Phone.conf is updated already, overwriting the 
> preferred setting.
> 
> Paul
> 

You can do this to twiddle with volumes:
alsactl restore -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarious/stereout.state
alsamixer
alsactl store -f /usr/share/openmoko/scenarious/stereout.state

this goes for any of the files in there, like gsmhandset.state


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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Xavier Bestel]

Le jeudi 09 octobre 2008 à 09:10 -0700, Michael Shiloh a écrit :
> Xavier Bestel wrote:
> > I always use the manual iwconfig+udhcpc method. It works most of the
> > time right after reboot, but often looses the network after a few
> > minutes (sometimes it works for hals an hour). After that, redoing the
> > iwconfig sometimes works, sometimes not and another reboot is in order.
> 
> 
> Very interesting. Do you kill udhcpc in between invokations? I think 
> it's a daemon.

Yes (in fact I tried both ways).

> Of course the real issue is why in looses the connection. I presume you 
> have suspend disabled?

Yes.

> Have you tried a different channel? One of my neighbors is on a close 
> channel and things got better when I changed my AP to an unused channel. 
> iwlist is a great help here.

I didn't try that, but every other wifi device had no problem so far.
Changing the channel on the other end is a bit tricky.

> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Disable_power_management 
> suggests that power management caused problems. You might try this too.

I tried that long ago, thought I found the magic bullet at first, but
nowadays it seems it doesn nothing.

> Please let us know what works and what doesn't. Better yet add it to the 
> wiki.

HTH,
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Re: The best approach to change network configuration from applications.

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Donnerstag, den 09.10.2008, 11:24 +0200 schrieb Nicola Mfb:
> I'm trying to write a test application that should change the network
> configuration with a gui, what's the best approach?
> Manually change /etc/network/interfaces? a wrapper library to do that?
> dbus api call?

Networking is on scope for FSO, but will be tackled not before end of
this year.

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Freerunner won't boot without USB cable after QTextended crash

[Jelle De Loecker]

Hi everyone,

I installed QTextended yesterday. I loved how snappy it was and how good 
it worked overall.


But some things went wrong. Pressing some buttons crashed qpe. When I 
came home today I discovered my phone was completely off.


I tried to start it up again, but it didn't work. The only way I got any 
life out of it was by attaching the usb cable and trying again.

And that's the way it still is.

If I want to boot up my phone, I have to attach it to the usb cable or 
it won't do ANYTHING.


I have already flashed u-boot, I have installed the 4.3.2 version of 
qtopia, reflashed uImage aswell, still won't work.

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Re: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug?

[joakim]

Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What do you mean by shut down "unexpectedly" ?
>
> The sd-card corruption patch which is in the recent kernels fixes the
> sd-bug when going into suspend and resume which isn't unexpected.

Ok, what I mean is that if the FR hangs for some reason, looses power or
whatever, I must powercycle it to reboot it. When this happens the
debian part of the sd card is unbootable.

I can then normally rescue it with "testdisk".

I dont think I ever even tried suspend/resume on debian.

>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>>> The kernel shipped with debian has the corruption bug.
>>> To update your kernel you must do it by hand. The instruction how to do
>>> this is in the debian page in the openmoko wiki [1].
>>> I changed my /boot partition from vfat to ext2 and symlink the
>>> boot-kernel to the one i want to use because i switch between the actual
>>> OM and FSO kernels.
>> 
>> I followed the instructions and installed a new kernel. I still get the
>> corruption bug whenever I shut down the FR unexpectedly.
>> 
>>> Ciao,
>>>  Rainer
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#How_to_replace_the_default_kernel_with_a_recent_openmoko_kernel>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Which kernel and from when do you use?
>
> This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm
> suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian.
 Ok, how do I ensure I have a newer kernel? I just use the kernel shipped
 with Debian, I think.

> Ciao,
>  Rainer
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted
>> and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work
>> for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected
>> power down.
>>
>> Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ?
>>
>>
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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Paul]

> I heard today that turning down the speaker volume should fix this 
> somewhat. Problem is that, after a reboot, this is set to max again. I 
> intend to have a look at some files and see if I can incorporate a dirty 
> hack for the time being, to fix this. No promises that this will bring 
> anything, though.
>   

Right. No fix, since I don't see a place where I could grab it in the neck.
I did find that the phone volume setting is in 
/home/root/Settings/Trolltech/Phone.conf. Somehow, after a reboot, the 
setting of this file is not used and implemented, but some default 
setting is used.

I found the default Qtopia Phone.conf and played around with that, but 
to no avail.
After a reboot the speaker volume is at 127 (max), not at 90 (which is 
in the Phone.conf in $HOME/Settings/Trolltech/Phone.conf). After just 
looking at the setting, Phone.conf is updated already, overwriting the 
preferred setting.

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Re: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug?

[Fox Mulder]

What do you mean by shut down "unexpectedly" ?

The sd-card corruption patch which is in the recent kernels fixes the
sd-bug when going into suspend and resume which isn't unexpected.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>> The kernel shipped with debian has the corruption bug.
>> To update your kernel you must do it by hand. The instruction how to do
>> this is in the debian page in the openmoko wiki [1].
>> I changed my /boot partition from vfat to ext2 and symlink the
>> boot-kernel to the one i want to use because i switch between the actual
>> OM and FSO kernels.
> 
> I followed the instructions and installed a new kernel. I still get the
> corruption bug whenever I shut down the FR unexpectedly.
> 
>> Ciao,
>>  Rainer
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#How_to_replace_the_default_kernel_with_a_recent_openmoko_kernel
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>
 Which kernel and from when do you use?

 This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm
 suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian.
>>> Ok, how do I ensure I have a newer kernel? I just use the kernel shipped
>>> with Debian, I think.
>>>
 Ciao,
  Rainer

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted
> and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work
> for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected
> power down.
>
> Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ?
>
>

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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Paul]

Cédric Berger wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 17:48, Russell Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> I found it lasted around three hours (moderate usage) BUT I did have
>> Bluetooth and wifi turned on. Will try again tomorrow!
>>
>> Disappointed that it doesn't wake up from suspend on an incoming call - but
>> we can't have everything, can we
>
> Wake up on call /sms works pretty well for me.
>   

Also for me. Actually it did that 3 minutes ago again!

> Also there is still the bug in vibrate only mode... when called it
> begins vibrating and only a shutdown can stop it...
>   

  That is not nice.

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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Paul]

Jelle De Loecker wrote:
> What vesion did you use?

Qtextended 4.4.2 and uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin

> I could not install the "stable" one, as I didn't want the echo 
> problem. Hearing EVERYONE say "I can hear myself" as if there's 
> something I can do about it, is very annoying.

I heard today that turning down the speaker volume should fix this 
somewhat. Problem is that, after a reboot, this is set to max again. I 
intend to have a look at some files and see if I can incorporate a dirty 
hack for the time being, to fix this. No promises that this will bring 
anything, though.

> After I installed QTExtended I tried a few settings. I tried 
> activating the "wheel" thing. It crashed. And it didn't want to start 
> qtopia again. I had to reflash.

I know about the wheel not working. I reflashed also, but learnt later 
that hitting the AUX button would have fixed the problem. You live and 
learn.

> Second time I pressed the "telephone" icon on the main screen. It 
> crashed. It didn't want to start qtopia again. I was at work, so I 
> couldn't reflash, I just deleted a few files and it came back.
>
> Now I come home and I see my phone is shut off. I try to start it 
> again, but it does absolutely nothing. Nothing! It's as if it's bricked.
>   ...
> I guess I'll have to reflash again! It's a shame, beyond these 
> unbelievably bad crashes it's really very easy & fast to use.

Too bad you're experiencing all that crap!

Maybe try an older image like 4.3.2 ? (Just an idea, I own the 
freerunner for almost a full week now...)

> /Met vriendelijke groeten,/
En vriendelijke groeten terug...
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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Jelle De Loecker]

What vesion did you use?

I could not install the "stable" one, as I didn't want the echo problem. 
Hearing EVERYONE say "I can hear myself" as if there's something I can 
do about it, is very annoying.


After I installed QTExtended I tried a few settings. I tried activating 
the "wheel" thing. It crashed. And it didn't want to start qtopia again. 
I had to reflash.
Second time I pressed the "telephone" icon on the main screen. It 
crashed. It didn't want to start qtopia again. I was at work, so I 
couldn't reflash, I just deleted a few files and it came back.


Now I come home and I see my phone is shut off. I try to start it again, 
but it does absolutely nothing. Nothing! It's as if it's bricked.


Then I plugged in my USB cable and I saw it boot. Although, qtopia 
didn't want to start again.


When I remove the cable and shut the phone off again (even though it 
never really boot up) it won't start by pressing the button again.


I guess I'll have to reflash again! It's a shame, beyond these 
unbelievably bad crashes it's really very easy & fast to use.


/Met vriendelijke groeten,/

*Jelle De Loecker*
Kipdola Studios - Tomberg

Paul schreef:

I must say I am quite pleased with the Freerunner and QTextended.

Battery life is quite good (much more than 1 day). Do note I don't call 
much and don't play around with wifi/gprs/gps at the moment.


I noticed that plugging in the headset (while in the car for handsfree 
phone) or listening to music makes the FR switch to "plugged in" mode, 
and unplugging the headset did not switch the FR back to "unplugged".


Did more people notice this?


Paul

  
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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[flamma]

> Disappointed that it doesn't wake up from suspend on an incoming call -
> but
> we can't have everything, can we?

We can't. But I think this feature is essential!


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Re: [debian] State of annoying memory card corruption bug?

[joakim]

Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The kernel shipped with debian has the corruption bug.
> To update your kernel you must do it by hand. The instruction how to do
> this is in the debian page in the openmoko wiki [1].
> I changed my /boot partition from vfat to ext2 and symlink the
> boot-kernel to the one i want to use because i switch between the actual
> OM and FSO kernels.

I followed the instructions and installed a new kernel. I still get the
corruption bug whenever I shut down the FR unexpectedly.

>
> Ciao,
>  Rainer
>
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian#How_to_replace_the_default_kernel_with_a_recent_openmoko_kernel
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Fox Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>>> Which kernel and from when do you use?
>>>
>>> This bug should be fixed in newer kernels. But i still use the apm
>>> suspend/resume script which works for me since i installed debian.
>> 
>> Ok, how do I ensure I have a newer kernel? I just use the kernel shipped
>> with Debian, I think.
>> 
>>> Ciao,
>>>  Rainer
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It is rather annoying to fix the memory card whenever it gets corrupted
 and wont boot. I know there are workaround scripts, but they dont work
 for me, since I most often get corruption after booting after unexpected
 power down.

 Is there any progress on this bug? Any working workarounds ?


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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Michael Shiloh]

Xavier Bestel wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 16:19 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of 
>> community suggestions, including Tom's.
>>
>> In particular, this should work for most people:
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_iwconfig_manually
>>
>> Feedback and other working examples appreciated.
> 
> Is feedback by mail ok ?

It is my favorite method actually :-)

> 
> I always use the manual iwconfig+udhcpc method. It works most of the
> time right after reboot, but often looses the network after a few
> minutes (sometimes it works for hals an hour). After that, redoing the
> iwconfig sometimes works, sometimes not and another reboot is in order.


Very interesting. Do you kill udhcpc in between invokations? I think 
it's a daemon.

Of course the real issue is why in looses the connection. I presume you 
have suspend disabled?

Have you tried a different channel? One of my neighbors is on a close 
channel and things got better when I changed my AP to an unused channel. 
iwlist is a great help here.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Disable_power_management 
suggests that power management caused problems. You might try this too.

Please let us know what works and what doesn't. Better yet add it to the 
wiki.

Michael

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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Russell Hay]

2008/10/9 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Also there is still the bug in vibrate only mode... when called it
> begins vibrating and only a shutdown can stop it...


sorry - but I just creased up when I read that - haven't come across that
bug yet!
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Michael Shiloh]

Sarton O'Brien wrote:
> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:50:14 Steve Mosher wrote:
>> well since this is wifi specific it needs to be referenced in the wifi
>> section. If I had the wifi problem THAT would be the first place I
>> looked. or in the known problem section.
> 
> I can't say I'm extremely familiar with the wiki but I imagine there is a 
> troubleshooting section? With possibly a FAQ? I think a link to the selected 
> blogs page would be valuable in such a place along with a link on the wiki 
> index.

All things wifi, including known issues and a link to Tom's article, are 
here:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi


> 
> As blogs tend be general, linking specifically within wifi might not be 
> appropriate but a link to the troubleshooting page within wifi that then 
> allows you to choose internal or external sources of information sounds 
> better 
> and keeps the non-official documentation contained and a little more 
> consolidated for all areas of troubleshooting. For actual wiki content this 
> isn't a problem but it would allow for an actual troubleshooting index of 
> wiki 
> approved content as well.
> 
> I imagine linking directly, even if only to the selected blogs page, may 
> require more maintenance down the track as online information is pretty fluid 
> and relevance can change pretty quickly. If the site disappeared you'd have 
> to 
> modify more than one page to accommodate it. Having two primary links, faqs 
> and troubleshooting, seems less confusing and easier to maintain to me.
> 
> Just a thought :)
> 
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RE: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

[Staley, Daniel L]

I have had no trouble connecting to my iGo bluetooth keyboard initially.  
However, after a suspend I have noticed that bluetooth will no longer work.  
Perhaps the device never gets powered back on?
Has anyone else noticed this?

A nice zenity gui for connecting to bluetooth keyboards (or really anything 
bluetooth) was written by ScaredyCat a while back.  I use it and it works great!
(see www.bufferunderflow.com?entry=6 for pics and a quick video using the 
keyboard)

Get btkb at:
http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/app_btkb/?rev=14&root=scutil


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Subject: Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christ van Willegen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> did anybody have luck with FDOM and a bluetooth keyboard (iGo to be
>> exact). hidd seems to be broken, in that it says 'scanning' and
>> immediately quits...
>>
>> Christ van Willegen
>
> It'll do this if bluetooth isn't on and working. Use hciconfig to check
> this.

I turned on Bluetooth in the settings screen (I also tried in the
'services' screen), but I didn't have any luck.

Let me try that again...

According to both 'Services' and 'Settings', Bluetooth is 'on', but
hciconfig returns zilch.

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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Cédric Berger]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 17:48, Russell Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I found it lasted around three hours (moderate usage) BUT I did have
> Bluetooth and wifi turned on. Will try again tomorrow!
>
> Disappointed that it doesn't wake up from suspend on an incoming call - but
> we can't have everything, can we?
>

Wake up on call /sms works pretty well for me.

Still a lot of problems though (as reported by others too)
Battery life is not too bad... even if sometimes it is suddenly
emptied really quickly (even if I did not try to use wifi/bluetooth).

And I often have to reboot into qtopia 4.3.2 just to force my GSM to
register to my operator (once it has switch to roaming operator it
comes into a very erratic behaviour and can't register elsewhere...)

Also there is still the bug in vibrate only mode... when called it
begins vibrating and only a shutdown can stop it...

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Re: [qtextended] After 4 days...

[Russell Hay]

I found it lasted around three hours (moderate usage) BUT I did have
Bluetooth and wifi turned on. Will try again tomorrow!

Disappointed that it doesn't wake up from suspend on an incoming call - but
we can't have everything, can we?


2008/10/9 Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I must say I am quite pleased with the Freerunner and QTextended.
>
> Battery life is quite good (much more than 1 day). Do note I don't call
> much and don't play around with wifi/gprs/gps at the moment.
>
> I noticed that plugging in the headset (while in the car for handsfree
> phone) or listening to music makes the FR switch to "plugged in" mode,
> and unplugging the headset did not switch the FR back to "unplugged".
>
> Did more people notice this?
>
>
> Paul
>
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[qtextended] After 4 days...

[Paul]

I must say I am quite pleased with the Freerunner and QTextended.

Battery life is quite good (much more than 1 day). Do note I don't call 
much and don't play around with wifi/gprs/gps at the moment.

I noticed that plugging in the headset (while in the car for handsfree 
phone) or listening to music makes the FR switch to "plugged in" mode, 
and unplugging the headset did not switch the FR back to "unplugged".

Did more people notice this?


Paul

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Re: [Raster+FSO] Some issues

[flamma]

>> No. That's not my problem. When I press the applet, it shows a nice
window, and then you can select wifi, lan, etc. But inside the window
you
>> can't see the networks. Then, I press "Select Network" or something
similar, and the window disappears.
>
> eh? u... what applet? the wifi signal meter in illume wont react to
a press
> or run anything... you are pressing on something else! :)

You're right. I'm sorry. It was Network Manager.


> oh no blame taken! just letting you know that i can't just jum in and
address
> issues t the drop of a hat :)

I understand that.




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[Fwd: Re: [Raster+FSO] Some issues]

[flamma]

For some unknown reason, my mail client usually select the list as
destinatary when replying, but sometimes it selects the original sender. I
didn't notice that I was having this conversation "on private" with
raster. With his permission, I forward it FYI.

 Mensaje original 
Asunto: Re: [Raster+FSO] Some issues
De: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fecha:  Jue, 9 de Octubre de 2008, 1:06 pm
Para:   "Carsten Haitzler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> slight problem - never meant to make the illume image a "usable phone" far
> from
> it - it's n ultra-minimal "raw desktop only" image where i can/will
> configure e
> +illume how it really was meant to be used/configured. :)

It's ok, raster. I had realized that. This mail is not only for you, but
for the commnunity who is willing to use your image a "usable phone" ;)

> well sound does - this is a zhone issue specifically - alarm sound works
> doesn't it? :) so sound works. just some apps don't.

Yeah. I think something more has to be installed, but I have no idea.
Perhaps someone manage to get it working.

>> 2 Sometimes, the illume controls just dissapear, and I can only access
>> to
>> zhone. You can still see a tiny (one pixel height, I think) noisy band
>> up,
>> but can't do anything with it. Restarting X doesn't work, neither
>> rebooting the phone. The only solution I have found is to delete .e/e
>> directory, but I lose all the configuration (and doesn't last for long).
> i have never seen this.  bizarre. unfortunately - until i see it - it's
> hard to
> debug. it doesn't ring any bells as to what it could be.

I have to send a picture, but I can't right now. If that helps, first time
it happened to me was when I was trying to set other theme than the
default. When changing, it got to that state. The other times is after a
reboot. Maybe there's a better way to shutdown e than calling 'poweroff'.

>> 3 Wifi gadget doesn't work at all.
>
> all it does is open the netlink socket and ask the kernel for signal
> strength
> of the first wifi dev it finds (fr only has 1)- it does work. i'm staring
> at it
> right now. the problem you may see is it's always "100%" and this is a
> driver
> problem. already reported in trac:
>

No. That's not my problem. When I press the applet, it shows a nice
window, and then you can select wifi, lan, etc. But inside the window you
can't see the networks. Then, I press "Select Network" or something
similar, and the window disappears.

> i know. the wallpaper dialog is useless on the screen res there. intend to
> redo the e dialog so not only does it work on desktop but looks great on
> tiny
> touchscreens. i just haven't gotten there - been busy with other things.
> no
> one's paying for this stuff - but they are for other things... so
> priorities
> first. btw the error you get is just that i didn't include edje-utils in
> the
> image :) again - when i get to fixing the dialogs of course that'd get get
> added :)

Ok. Now I know that it was not intended to work ;)


>> 6 The alarm doesn't power on the phone, so I'm arriving late at work.
>
> i know! :) related to the above i think too as well as a bug in waker code
> i
> have fixed locally - but also i think because of some rtc issues.

Ok. I have just remembered that yesterday, when I powered on the phone,
the alarm started to sound. But the alarm "window" was absolutely blank,
so I had to open a terminal, look for the process and kill it. Today it
didn't start, but I think that's because issue 2.

> it all depends on application categories. a lot just don't have any or
> don't
> have any in the applications.menu file list. i have not even tried to
> fix/change this. this is the same one FSO ships.

Ok. I'll look it.


> my focus is on a container for other things i'm doing and bit by bit
> polish up
> pieces and make it better - illume, e17, theme, etc. etc.
>

And I think everybody in the community is thankful for that. Just in case,
I wasn't trying to blame you for each thing that doesn't work on my phone
:)

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Re: one day usage of qtextended

[Alastair Johnson]

Lorn Potter wrote:
> Matt wrote:
>> gtalk uses jabber protocol, so should be doable.
> 
> Certainly. If telepathy and gabble were available for the Neo's.

There's a telepathy-gabble package in OE that seems to build. Is that 
what you need?

>> Nishit Dave wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:44 AM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a gtalk presence indicator.
>>>
>>> Million dollar question: where is gtalk? how do I install and 
>>> configure it?


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Re: The best approach to change network configuration from applications.

[Alastair Johnson]

Nicola Mfb wrote:
> 2008/10/9 Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >
> 
> Nicola Mfb wrote:
>  > I'm trying to write a test application that should change the network
>  > configuration with a gui, what's the best approach?
>  > Manually change /etc/network/interfaces? a wrapper library to do
> that?
>  > dbus api call?
> 
> That depends on which distro you're using, and how complete its network
> management is. 2008.x is using ConnMan which is an attempt at a lighter
> weight version of NetworkManager, but it seems rather incomplete. I
> think FSO is sticking with the basic debian-based interface using
> /etc/network/interfaces which mostly works according to the debian
> networking handbook. IIRC the bits needed for roaming connections are
> 
> 
> Hi Alastair, here a better explanation of what I'd like to do:
> I'm trying to use dbus with C++/QT under FSO, to test it I'm writing a 
> simple gui that is able to turn on/off the bluetooth adapter, and to 
> spawn a pan connection to my nap gentoo boxes. This is really simple 
> with dbus, and works fine with dbus-send or mdbus, now I'd like to 
> support network configuration to have different pan profiles, with or 
> without dhcp, with or without default routing and so on.

Sounds good.

> So actually should I modify /etc/network/interfaces directly in my 
> application or spawn some external script that does this with sed and 
> after launch ifdown/ifup bnep0?
> This seems not much elegant to me, and to avoid mistakes on the 
> configuration file, I should read busybox c code to understand how it 
> read that file (a curiosity, there is a doc file in busybox that says 
> please do not use ifup/ifdown approach:))

Debian lets you have multiple configurations for the same interface, so 
you can have for example different configs for eth0 at home and at work, 
or for wifi at different locations. I've not dealt with it in depth 
myself, except for trying to use its wifi roaming config and finding 
bits of that system missing.

> The problem become bigger if I want to add a pan server option and so 
> change ip forwarding and iptables rules, launch dhcp or change the its 
> ip range, and so on...
> 
> What's we may expect in the future? would be nice to have frameworkd 
> offer nice api to hide and abstract all this tasks? should we ask for 
> connman/networkmanager official/default support in OE?

OE already has both connman and networkmanager. I built it under 
fso-testing yesterday but haven't tried it yet. The KDE front end for 
NetworkManager may be close to what you're aiming at, depending on how 
much of it is pure Qt and how much KDE. I haven't used networkmanager 
much so I don't know if it supports configuring bluetooth connections.

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Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

[Alastair Johnson]

Christ van Willegen wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Christ van Willegen wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> did anybody have luck with FDOM and a bluetooth keyboard (iGo to be
> exact). hidd seems to be broken, in that it says 'scanning' and
> immediately quits...
>
> Christ van Willegen
 It'll do this if bluetooth isn't on and working. Use hciconfig to check
 this.
>>> I turned on Bluetooth in the settings screen (I also tried in the
>>> 'services' screen), but I didn't have any luck.
>>>
>>> Let me try that again...
>>>
>>> According to both 'Services' and 'Settings', Bluetooth is 'on', but
>>> hciconfig returns zilch.
>>>
>>> Christ van Willegen
>> echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
>> echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset
>> echo "0" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset
> 
> Whew, the hard way with the on-screen keyboard and the stylus, but now
> it _searches_.
> 
> I don't have the kbd handy, will try this evening...

Try with the GUI again, and if it causes problems then report a bug as 
it needs to work reliably.

hidd --search picks up my iGo Stowaway without problems. Just press 
Ctrl-Fn-Fn until the green LED flashes before running it. This method 
will be disappearing soon though as hidd is deprecated. With luck 
someone (me?) will write a GUI app to do the job...

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Re: [Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing

[Nishit Dave]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:30 PM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> When this happened to me (different file, but principle is the same), I
> found the invalid tar magic occurred quite a way into the file so most
> of it uncompressed ok.  To complete it, I uncompressed it on my desktop
> then rsynced the two trees.
>
> BillK
>
> Thanks.  Actually, the whole issue is now moot, as roadmap2 is for QT 4.3.2
and not for Qtextended as  Filip Onkelinx told me just now.
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Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

[Christ van Willegen]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christ van Willegen wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Christ van Willegen wrote:
 Hi,

 did anybody have luck with FDOM and a bluetooth keyboard (iGo to be
 exact). hidd seems to be broken, in that it says 'scanning' and
 immediately quits...

 Christ van Willegen
>>> It'll do this if bluetooth isn't on and working. Use hciconfig to check
>>> this.
>>
>> I turned on Bluetooth in the settings screen (I also tried in the
>> 'services' screen), but I didn't have any luck.
>>
>> Let me try that again...
>>
>> According to both 'Services' and 'Settings', Bluetooth is 'on', but
>> hciconfig returns zilch.
>>
>> Christ van Willegen
>
> echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
> echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset
> echo "0" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset

Whew, the hard way with the on-screen keyboard and the stylus, but now
it _searches_.

I don't have the kbd handy, will try this evening...

Thanks!

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Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

[Alastair Johnson]

Christ van Willegen wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Christ van Willegen wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> did anybody have luck with FDOM and a bluetooth keyboard (iGo to be
>>> exact). hidd seems to be broken, in that it says 'scanning' and
>>> immediately quits...
>>>
>>> Christ van Willegen
>> It'll do this if bluetooth isn't on and working. Use hciconfig to check
>> this.
> 
> I turned on Bluetooth in the settings screen (I also tried in the
> 'services' screen), but I didn't have any luck.
> 
> Let me try that again...
> 
> According to both 'Services' and 'Settings', Bluetooth is 'on', but
> hciconfig returns zilch.
> 
> Christ van Willegen

echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset
echo "0" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/reset

wait a few seconds then try hciconfig again.


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Re: [Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing

[Nishit Dave]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to install the Roadmap application from
> http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4 and on my Freerunner, and
> am following instructions given therein.  However, when I do this:
>
> tar -xvpf roadmap2.tgz
>>
>
> I get an error message:
>
> tar: invalid tar magic.
>>
>
> I have also tried it with tar -xvf roadmap2.tgz, but still the same result.
>
> I have tested the downloaded file with 7-zip and it seems to be OK.  I had
> read somewhere on a forum that the version of tar shipped by busybox
> (v1.16.1?) is broken.  Is that the case here?  Where can I find an unbroken
> version for Qtextended?
>

Further, the directory structure inside the roadmap2.tgz archive seems to
point to /media/mmcblk0p2, while my card is mounted at /media/card from
/dev/mmcblk0p1.  I tried to change the directory name inside the archive to
point it to /media/card, but it made no difference.

So there is a need to check if the version of tar included in qtextended
4.4.1 is indeed broken, and if the directory structure of the archive should
be corrected as well.
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Re: [Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing

[Nishit Dave]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Nicola Mfb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/10/9 Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to install the Roadmap application from
>> http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4 and on my Freerunner,
>> and am following instructions given therein.  However, when I do this:
>>
>> tar -xvpf roadmap2.tgz
>>
>>
> try tar -xvzf roadmap2.tgz
>
> Nicola, it's working!  Thanks a lot.  Usage review follows in 3...2...1...
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Re: [Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing

[William Kenworthy]

When this happened to me (different file, but principle is the same), I
found the invalid tar magic occurred quite a way into the file so most
of it uncompressed ok.  To complete it, I uncompressed it on my desktop
then rsynced the two trees.

BillK

On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 18:18 +0530, Nishit Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to install the Roadmap application from
> http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4 and on my Freerunner,
> and am following instructions given therein.  However, when I do this:
> 
> tar -xvpf roadmap2.tgz
> 
> I get an error message:
> 
> tar: invalid tar magic.  
> 
> I have also tried it with tar -xvf roadmap2.tgz, but still the same
> result.
> 
> I have tested the downloaded file with 7-zip and it seems to be OK.  I
> had read somewhere on a forum that the version of tar shipped by
> busybox (v1.16.1?) is broken.  Is that the case here?  Where can I
> find an unbroken version for Qtextended?
> 
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Re: [Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing

[Nicola Mfb]

2008/10/9 Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to install the Roadmap application from
> http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4 and on my Freerunner, and
> am following instructions given therein.  However, when I do this:
>
> tar -xvpf roadmap2.tgz
>
>
try tar -xvzf roadmap2.tgz

 Nicola
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RE: [QT Extended] Wheel Server problem

[Matthias Camenzind]

AUX button opens a menu, there you can choose the server widget.

> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:41:54 -0700
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: [QT Extended] Wheel Server problem
> 
> 
> First, congratulations on getting an improved version out the door and thanks
> for that.
> 
> However, I didn't get to play around with it too much because I've already
> managed to mess it up. While trying out the new features in the Home Screen
> toolkit, I activated "Wheel Server". Now when I choose the application icon
> from the home screen, the icons for the applications normally on the next
> screen come swooping in from the right side in a circular motion and stop. I
> can't seem to choose any so I can't remove the Wheel Server function.
> 
> I didn't load mwester's modules when I flashed QT Extended - is that the
> cause or is this tool incomplete? Is there a way to reverse this from the
> command line via usb ssh?
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[Qtextended] Roadmap2 - invalid tar magic while installing

[Nishit Dave]

Hi,

I am trying to install the Roadmap application from
http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4 and on my Freerunner, and
am following instructions given therein.  However, when I do this:

tar -xvpf roadmap2.tgz
>

I get an error message:

tar: invalid tar magic.
>

I have also tried it with tar -xvf roadmap2.tgz, but still the same result.

I have tested the downloaded file with 7-zip and it seems to be OK.  I had
read somewhere on a forum that the version of tar shipped by busybox
(v1.16.1?) is broken.  Is that the case here?  Where can I find an unbroken
version for Qtextended?
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[QT Extended] Wheel Server problem

[nicklogan]

First, congratulations on getting an improved version out the door and thanks
for that.

However, I didn't get to play around with it too much because I've already
managed to mess it up. While trying out the new features in the Home Screen
toolkit, I activated "Wheel Server". Now when I choose the application icon
from the home screen, the icons for the applications normally on the next
screen come swooping in from the right side in a circular motion and stop. I
can't seem to choose any so I can't remove the Wheel Server function.

I didn't load mwester's modules when I flashed QT Extended - is that the
cause or is this tool incomplete? Is there a way to reverse this from the
command line via usb ssh?
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Re: [Raster+FSO] Silent Zhone

[Joel Newkirk]

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:41:42 +0200, Richy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arkanoid-Sid Tune ist the ringtone.
> You need to install gst-sid (Or gst-plugins-sid or similar)
> to hear that.

gst-plugin-sid, still nothing.  When a call comes inbound the screen
doesn't even undim, and I get no audible ringer regardless of alsa state.
(no vibrate either for that matter)

If I invoke "alsactl /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/gsmhandset.state
restore" then in-call audio works (although it's loud and echoing like mad)
but no ring.  In addition, it continues to work until reboot, or until I
manually change alsa state again, so whatever mechanism is supposed to
auto-change either isn't working or isn't installed...

Where is the Arkanoid sid ringer located, and where is the configuration to
tell Zhone what ringtone to use?

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Re: The best approach to change network configuration from applications.

[Nicola Mfb]

2008/10/9 Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Nicola Mfb wrote:
> > I'm trying to write a test application that should change the network
> > configuration with a gui, what's the best approach?
> > Manually change /etc/network/interfaces? a wrapper library to do that?
> > dbus api call?
>
> That depends on which distro you're using, and how complete its network
> management is. 2008.x is using ConnMan which is an attempt at a lighter
> weight version of NetworkManager, but it seems rather incomplete. I
> think FSO is sticking with the basic debian-based interface using
> /etc/network/interfaces which mostly works according to the debian
> networking handbook. IIRC the bits needed for roaming connections are
>

Hi Alastair, here a better explanation of what I'd like to do:
I'm trying to use dbus with C++/QT under FSO, to test it I'm writing a
simple gui that is able to turn on/off the bluetooth adapter, and to spawn a
pan connection to my nap gentoo boxes. This is really simple with dbus, and
works fine with dbus-send or mdbus, now I'd like to support network
configuration to have different pan profiles, with or without dhcp, with or
without default routing and so on.

So actually should I modify /etc/network/interfaces directly in my
application or spawn some external script that does this with sed and after
launch ifdown/ifup bnep0?
This seems not much elegant to me, and to avoid mistakes on the
configuration file, I should read busybox c code to understand how it read
that file (a curiosity, there is a doc file in busybox that says please do
not use ifup/ifdown approach:))

The problem become bigger if I want to add a pan server option and so change
ip forwarding and iptables rules, launch dhcp or change the its ip range,
and so on...

What's we may expect in the future? would be nice to have frameworkd offer
nice api to hide and abstract all this tasks? should we ask for
connman/networkmanager official/default support in OE?

Regards

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Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

[Christ van Willegen]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Alastair Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christ van Willegen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> did anybody have luck with FDOM and a bluetooth keyboard (iGo to be
>> exact). hidd seems to be broken, in that it says 'scanning' and
>> immediately quits...
>>
>> Christ van Willegen
>
> It'll do this if bluetooth isn't on and working. Use hciconfig to check
> this.

I turned on Bluetooth in the settings screen (I also tried in the
'services' screen), but I didn't have any luck.

Let me try that again...

According to both 'Services' and 'Settings', Bluetooth is 'on', but
hciconfig returns zilch.

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Re: [Qtextended] Kernel modules from mwester

[Andy Green]

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Nishit Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am using the current kernel for qtexended on FR available from
> mwester.  I also downloaded the minimal kernel module set from
> http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels. 
> 
> The version of the module set and the kernel seems to be matching, but
> after extracting the modules on my system, I now have two directories
> under /lib/modules (as I had expected): 2.6.24 (the original kernel) and
> 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 (the minimal module set).

A given kernel is going to look for its modules down only one path.  We
have been using these build-specific paths in the git build system for
some time, they eliminate the problem that incorrect modules get loaded
into kernel space when you change the main kernel binary.  I dunno what
our packaging side is doing about modules because it's not discussed
anywhere that I read.

Anyway it's good news mwester is using the same system, it just means
that you only actually need the dir that matches the build stamp of the
monolithic kernel you are using; any other dirs left lying around don't
make any trouble except waste space if you will never revert to the
kernel that matches them.

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[Qtextended] Kernel modules from mwester

[Nishit Dave]

Hi,

I am using the current kernel for qtexended on FR available from mwester.  I
also downloaded the minimal kernel module set from
http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html#kernels.

The version of the module set and the kernel seems to be matching, but after
extracting the modules on my system, I now have two directories under
/lib/modules (as I had expected): 2.6.24 (the original kernel) and
2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 (the minimal module set).

My question is if I was actually supposed to install the module set, and if
so, whether they would be in use, and what difference they are supposed to
make.  The file names therein match the module names inside the kernel, but
the sizes are obviously smaller, so they weren't meant to be a replacement.
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Re: The best approach to change network configuration from applications.

[Alastair Johnson]

Nicola Mfb wrote:
> I'm trying to write a test application that should change the network 
> configuration with a gui, what's the best approach?
> Manually change /etc/network/interfaces? a wrapper library to do that? 
> dbus api call?

That depends on which distro you're using, and how complete its network 
management is. 2008.x is using ConnMan which is an attempt at a lighter 
weight version of NetworkManager, but it seems rather incomplete. I 
think FSO is sticking with the basic debian-based interface using 
/etc/network/interfaces which mostly works according to the debian 
networking handbook. IIRC the bits needed for roaming connections are 
missing though. Debian and Gentoo use their respective networking 
practices. NetworkManager is another option. The key is to pick one 
method and stick to it - mixing them usually ends up in them fighting 
for control of the interfaces.

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Re: [QtExtended] Snapshots? Yes, please!

[Nishit Dave]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:57 PM, MartinG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Did you try GPRS? Where and how did you specify the APN?  I can't figure
> it
> > out either.
>
> Yes: Setup, Internet, Options, New, GPRS, Account name, APN.
> I need to investigate more myself.


I rather meant asking how you managed to enter the APN, because on my phone,
that option is unclickable / disabled and does not respond to the stylus.  I
can't even Tab to it with the keyboard, as the keyboard forcibly disappears
when you tab across from account name to connection type.

Do you specify it in any of the configuration files in /etc/ppp or
etc/ppp/peers?
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Re: [FDOM] Bluetooth kbd?

[Alastair Johnson]

Christ van Willegen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> did anybody have luck with FDOM and a bluetooth keyboard (iGo to be
> exact). hidd seems to be broken, in that it says 'scanning' and
> immediately quits...
> 
> Christ van Willegen

It'll do this if bluetooth isn't on and working. Use hciconfig to check 
this.

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OE merge ABI changes

[Graeme Gregory]

Hi, I have just merged OE->OM for this week, this brings in the OE
staging ABI change so I will hold off pushing this patchset until 12:00
GMT on Friday!

People will need to rm -rf tmp/ before a build will work.

Sorry about this, but its an essential change needed to make arm
versions work properly when mixed in the same build.

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Re: [Raster+FSO] Some issues

[The Rasterman]

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:50:34 +0200 (CEST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

> Hello.
> 
> I have recently installed the new Raster's image, and I was surprised of
> how beautiful it is, and how well 3D effects work. I want to congratulate
> rasterman for his work.
> 
> I decided to give FSO a try, so I installed frameworkd and zhone.
> 
> Unfortunately, I also have a lot of issues with it (making the phone
> unusable). I'll try to enumerate:

slight problem - never meant to make the illume image a "usable phone" far from
it - it's n ultra-minimal "raw desktop only" image where i can/will configure e
+illume how it really was meant to be used/configured. :)

> 1 Sound doesn't work well. This is being covered in other mails, so I
> won't extend here. After installing oss packages, some applications
> managed to get sound working, but not the calls or ringtones.

well sound does - this is a zhone issue specifically - alarm sound works
doesn't it? :) so sound works. just some apps don't.

> 2 Sometimes, the illume controls just dissapear, and I can only access to
> zhone. You can still see a tiny (one pixel height, I think) noisy band up,
> but can't do anything with it. Restarting X doesn't work, neither
> rebooting the phone. The only solution I have found is to delete .e/e
> directory, but I lose all the configuration (and doesn't last for long).

i have never seen this.  bizarre. unfortunately - until i see it - it's hard to
debug. it doesn't ring any bells as to what it could be.

> 3 Wifi gadget doesn't work at all.

all it does is open the netlink socket and ask the kernel for signal strength
of the first wifi dev it finds (fr only has 1)- it does work. i'm staring at it
right now. the problem you may see is it's always "100%" and this is a driver
problem. already reported in trac:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0
eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:"raster"  
  Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:16:01:25:11:44   
  Bit Rate=54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=16 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3  
  Retry:on   
  Encryption key:0102-0304-0506-0708-0901-0203-04   Security mode:open
  Power Management:off
  Link Quality:198/94  Signal level:-153 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
  Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
  Tx excessive retries:1  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:1

(note i manually edited interfaces file and set wireless_essid and key etc.)

> 4 I can't set a wallpaper. When you select a image, e says you that the
> wallpaper can't be set because of a conversion error, and then, that file
> .e/e/fileman/favorites (or something similar) can't be found. I'm very
> sorry for not giving you the exact error, but I can't test it right now as
> I have no illume controls (view 2).

i know. the wallpaper dialog is useless on the screen res there. intend to
redo the e dialog so not only does it work on desktop but looks great on tiny
touchscreens. i just haven't gotten there - been busy with other things. no
one's paying for this stuff - but they are for other things... so priorities
first. btw the error you get is just that i didn't include edje-utils in the
image :) again - when i get to fixing the dialogs of course that'd get get
added :)

> 5 Wake up doesn't work. Anytime the phone suspend, I have to turn it off
> and on again. It seems to poweroff well, so I think the problem is with
> the screen which doesn't turn on. Only once, I have met the infamous WSOD
> (first time since I have the phone).

same. this is just the kernel OE builds from upstream for OM/gta02. i don't
touch it.

> 6 The alarm doesn't power on the phone, so I'm arriving late at work.

i know! :) related to the above i think too as well as a bug in waker code i
have fixed locally - but also i think because of some rtc issues.

> 7 Some application launchers don't appear in the Home menu. At least, the
> one of the "Battle for Wesnoth" package, that used to appear on 2008.X .

it all depends on application categories. a lot just don't have any or don't
have any in the applications.menu file list. i have not even tried to
fix/change this. this is the same one FSO ships.

my focus is on a container for other things i'm doing and bit by bit polish up
pieces and make it better - illume, e17, theme, etc. etc.

> I think that's all by now. I hope this report help finding bugs.
> 
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Re: omview is cool!

[flamma]

> Thanks a lot, nice to hear that. I really took care to make the
> program simply work without fiddling, and it's good to hear this is
> appreciated.
> And yes it does not much, show images. 1:1 zoom on click. That's all.
> No hidden features (Ok aside from raw file support - I'm propably the
> only one using that).
>
> hendrik
>

May I suggest to let the .dirs to be hidden somehow? If you have a lot of
applications and you want to navigate through your home it can take a lot
of time.

Apart from that, really cool!


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Re: [QtExtended] Snapshots? Yes, please!

[MartinG]

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Nishit Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think if someone even works out why the headset requires speakerphone mode
> to be set, and which too only works halfways, that would be a big leap
> forward.  The interference problem is a hardware bug, and looking at the
> history, it may be one of the hardest ones to be solved through software.

Oh, okay, so it is a bit more complicated then.

> Did you try GPRS? Where and how did you specify the APN?  I can't figure it
> out either.

Yes: Setup, Internet, Options, New, GPRS, Account name, APN.
I need to investigate more myself.

Another thing:
I need to be sure that my phone is totally silent: In fact, I hate
gadgets that make any sounds. So I have muted sound in the General
profile. But when I get a reminder, I would appreciate to have the
phone vibrating. In the Calendar, I can choose if the alarm should be
none/silent/audible, but "audible" is for me not a good choice, since
I want whatever profile I am using to decide if an alarm results in
something audible and/or vibration.

What I am suggesting, is to change the word "audible" to "active" (or
something similar), and make sure the settings in the profile is
obeyed when an alarm kicks in.

Also, really make sure that the phone is silent when told to. For
example, make sure the low battery warning does not make any sound,
it's so freakin' embarrassing at the library...

-MartinG

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Re: LED notification

[Andy Green]

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> 2008/10/9 Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> the main cpu is suspended, like in the neo, but the power management unit is 
>> not
> 
> I'm sure I recently read a datasheet for a PMU which supported various
> flash patterns for LEDs even during suspend. Unfortunately I can't

Not really a PMU but an i2c device for just doing that.  We might be
using one or another in future products, eg,

http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/datasheets/PCA9632_3.pdf
http://www.national.com/ds/LP/LP5521.pdf

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New to Freerunner

[raf]

Hello,
I recieved my Freerunner a week ago and I have some questions/issues.

-I have 2 sim cards: An "old one" issued to me 5 years ago by my Telco  
(Mobistar in Belgium)
This one works in the freerunner perfectly

I have a newer one also issued just in januari wich is linked to the  
phone number i'm intending on using in the future.
When I insert this sim card regardless in what distribution  
(FSO,2008.8/9, QTextended) I have to enter my PIN twice and then it  
returns me "Sim card not present"

When I use the working sim card with FSO the sound isn't working.  I  
get no dialtone when making calls or no ringtones when recieving when  
the freerunner is set up to ring and vibrate.

Is there anyone with tips / information regarding these issues?

Thank you in advance

Raf Goetschalckx / RaGoe



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Re: LED notification

[Robert Norton]

2008/10/9 Robin Paulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> the main cpu is suspended, like in the neo, but the power management unit is 
> not

I'm sure I recently read a datasheet for a PMU which supported various
flash patterns for LEDs even during suspend. Unfortunately I can't
remember where I found it or exactly why I was reading it. I have a
feeling I may have followed a link on the OM wiki. Did GTA01 have a
PMU which supported this? Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Robert

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Re: New Gllin version available

[Marc Verwerft]

Thanks for thinking about the NEO!!!

Much appreciated. Good job ;-)

Regards,

Marc.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Daniel Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Community,
>
> I am happy to announce that a new version of gllin has been uploaded to
> http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/
>
> Changes include:
> * The gllin files now reside in /usr/share/gllin and not in /home/root
> anymore. A convenience wrapper is provided in /usr/bin/gllin.
> * An init script is available at /etc/init.d/gllin with configuration
> in /etc/defaults/gllin.
> * The default init script disables logging and sending NMEA data to a
> named pipe. Only UDP packets to port 6000 are enabled.
>
> Best Regards,
> The Openmoko Team
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Re: omview is cool!

[Hendrik Siedelmann]

2008/10/8 Marcel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hey!
>
> I didn't fiddle with my neo for a few weeks now and flashed 2008.8_20080903
> today (which suspends/resumes fine for me, hooray, but "settings" doesn't
> start yet...) and installed omview because I had heard of it here. I just
> need to say: to whoever made omview, this thing is really cool! Controlling
> it through gestures works fine and it simply does what it's intended to do (I
> think so, from what I know it does).
>
> Keep that up!

Thanks a lot, nice to hear that. I really took care to make the
program simply work without fiddling, and it's good to hear this is
appreciated.
And yes it does not much, show images. 1:1 zoom on click. That's all.
No hidden features (Ok aside from raw file support - I'm propably the
only one using that).

hendrik

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[Raster+FSO] Some issues

[flamma]

Hello.

I have recently installed the new Raster's image, and I was surprised of
how beautiful it is, and how well 3D effects work. I want to congratulate
rasterman for his work.

I decided to give FSO a try, so I installed frameworkd and zhone.

Unfortunately, I also have a lot of issues with it (making the phone
unusable). I'll try to enumerate:

1 Sound doesn't work well. This is being covered in other mails, so I
won't extend here. After installing oss packages, some applications
managed to get sound working, but not the calls or ringtones.

2 Sometimes, the illume controls just dissapear, and I can only access to
zhone. You can still see a tiny (one pixel height, I think) noisy band up,
but can't do anything with it. Restarting X doesn't work, neither
rebooting the phone. The only solution I have found is to delete .e/e
directory, but I lose all the configuration (and doesn't last for long).

3 Wifi gadget doesn't work at all.

4 I can't set a wallpaper. When you select a image, e says you that the
wallpaper can't be set because of a conversion error, and then, that file
.e/e/fileman/favorites (or something similar) can't be found. I'm very
sorry for not giving you the exact error, but I can't test it right now as
I have no illume controls (view 2).

5 Wake up doesn't work. Anytime the phone suspend, I have to turn it off
and on again. It seems to poweroff well, so I think the problem is with
the screen which doesn't turn on. Only once, I have met the infamous WSOD
(first time since I have the phone).

6 The alarm doesn't power on the phone, so I'm arriving late at work.

7 Some application launchers don't appear in the Home menu. At least, the
one of the "Battle for Wesnoth" package, that used to appear on 2008.X .

I think that's all by now. I hope this report help finding bugs.


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Re: mdbus not available - but where?

[Arne Zachlod]

Michael 'Mickey' Lauer schrieb:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# ./gprs-on.sh
>> /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device: ActivateContext failed: 
>> org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.Exception
>> 
>
> Please enable debbuging logs (see the mdbus wiki page on how to do that)
> and show both the frameworkd log as well as the output of the syslog
> (where ppp emits its logs), then we can debug further.
>
> :M:
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i have done this now:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd 
/org/freesmartphone/Framework org.freesmartphone.Framework.SetDebugLevel 
ogsmd DEBUG
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.frameworkd 
/org/freesmartphone/Framework 
org.freesmartphone.Framework.SetDebugDestination syslog DEBUG

but what now? where can i find the logs? i have no idea :(

zachso

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The best approach to change network configuration from applications.

[Nicola Mfb]

I'm trying to write a test application that should change the network
configuration with a gui, what's the best approach?
Manually change /etc/network/interfaces? a wrapper library to do that? dbus
api call?

Regards

Nicola
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Re: numptyphisics

[Previdi Roberto]

good news, i'll try it soon..


On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>If you have installed the raster type keyboard (with the qwerty
> button in the upper left) then hit qwerty and then when the keyboard
> pops up hit the letter 'r' and you should be good to go.
>
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Re: QTExtended package repository

[Nishit Dave]

On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 3:51 AM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Charles Pax wrote:
> > I'm looking for the package repository for QTExtended.
> > http://qtextended.org/packages/feed/4.4.1/neo does not seem to be there,
> > but this is what is in the package manager I flashed to my neo. Please
> > advise.
>
> I haven't gotten around to getting packages built for this. Once the sdk
> starts building again, I
> will add packages there.
>
> Hi Lorn,

Thanks for the great work so far.  Can you tell us what to expect in
packages? Would it be just updates to the default install, or will there be
more packages to choose from?  Any hints?
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Mobile phone comparison

[Alexey Feldgendler]

http://files.myopera.com/Ilya%20Shpan'kov/albums/616329/difference.jpg

:-)


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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Xavier Bestel]

On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 16:19 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of 
> community suggestions, including Tom's.
> 
> In particular, this should work for most people:
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_iwconfig_manually
> 
> Feedback and other working examples appreciated.

Is feedback by mail ok ?

I always use the manual iwconfig+udhcpc method. It works most of the
time right after reboot, but often looses the network after a few
minutes (sometimes it works for hals an hour). After that, redoing the
iwconfig sometimes works, sometimes not and another reboot is in order.

HTH,
Xav



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Re: New pulseaudio supports bluetooth devices

[Michael Zanetti]

On Thursday 09 October 2008 08:30:55 Fredrik Wendt wrote:
> tor 2008-10-09 klockan 01:19 +0100 skrev Rui Miguel Silva Seabra:
> > PulseAudio 0.9.13 introduces
> > support for Bluetooth audio devices
> >
> > http://pulseaudio.org/milestone/0.9.13
>
> Very exciting. I've been using my SonyEricsson BT-headset for about 18
> months using alsa's support for bluetooth and A2DP. With Ubuntu 8.04 the
> quality (hifi) went down marginally (I haven't had the time to search on
> how to increase sbc bitpool[0] (which is my guess on what happened)).
>

53 is indeed the best setting for the bitpool. Using higher bitpool values 
doesn't increase the quality much and I haven't seen many devices (mobile 
phones, headsets...) so far that support higher values. Instead, make sure you 
are using 8 Subbands (4 Subbands really smashes down quality) and a 
blocklenght of 16 (shorter blocklengths increase data throughput). Support for 
these settings is mandatory and most likely you have already set it up this 
way.

If quality still isn't getting better I guess its the encoder you are using. I 
have seen some devices that have problems encoding/decodig with certain 
settings while other settings may work well. I haven't had any experience with 
alsa a2dp streaming so far though as I _really_ hate alsa config files. So I 
didn't take the time to setup a2dp streaming on my linux devices here...

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Re: LED notification

[Robin Paulson]

2008/10/9 Michael Zanetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Please forgive me if this was discussed already. But how do other linux
> powered devices (e.g. Nokia N8x0) manage their suspend?

they have a separate, very-low-powered processor, that handles only
power usage of the phone, which runs continuously. they are generally
very low clock-rate, and couldn't do much in the way of
general-purpose processing, but are more than capable of this sort of
thing

the neo doesn't have one

>
> They seem to not go into such a deep suspend like the om's do. They just turn
> off the display (touchscreen is able to wake it up) but are still able to 
> reach
> a battery life of 10 days. They do have blinking leds on incoming IM or e-mail
> messages even during "suspend".

the main cpu is suspended, like in the neo, but the power management unit is not

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Re: [qtextended] problems with roaming

[Cédric Berger]

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 14:27, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I will try, when I have time, to get both logs from qtopia 4.3.3 and
> qtextended 4.4.1 to compare AT commands when selecting an operator. (I
> noticed for example that 4.3.3 issued a ATE0 before AT+COPS=, and
> not 4.4.1)
>
> Also I do not know if in my qtopia 4.3.3, GSM noise reduction was
> activated, but it was on 4.4.1 ("AT%N0187")
>

Me again... looking at logs, it looks like in 4.4.1, GSM multiplexing
is used, and not in 4.3.2.
Is that right ?

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FR adapter - shocking experience!

[Christ van Willegen]

Hi,

this morning, I pulled the FR adapter out of the (230 VAC) socket, and
accidentally touched one of the prongs. I experienced a short shock.

Is there a capacitor in there that can do that? It was fully out of
the socket when I touched it!

Christ van Willegen
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