Re: Openmoko Beagle Hybrid

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hiya!

Im doing some Mendel development (http://blog.arcol.hu), and I have a
working 3D printer.
Here is my offer:
I can print you prototypes for free.

You still need to pay for the shipping, so I dont loose too much money on it.

If you are interested, shoot me an email.

Also the machine has its limitations, so I doubt the final product can
be made on it.

Best regards,
 Laszlo

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Re: latest SHR unstable: neo theme not working well, can't close apps anymore, qwo keyboard breaks starter

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Lars Hennig  wrote:
> I am really looking forward to the upgrade of neo theme to illume2 ;-)

And how you close an application in illume2?;-)
For me the top shelf does not slide down anymore (dunno, what should
be the method
to close the applications)

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Re: OM future

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 12:22 AM, William Kenworthy  wrote:
> I pay that one! - was thinking "hmmm ... looks nice ...WHAT THE F..."
> when the CD appeared :)

The CD is realistic, but the video cassette!:-)

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Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Neil Jerram  wrote:
> From the same point of view, I expect that further expansion of this
> platform will depend massively on whether N900 is successful.
> Firstly, whether it sells in large numbers; secondly, whether Nokia
> estimate that Maemo is now a more efficient platform for future
> development than their other options.

I highly doubt about the selling numbers of Nokia N900. It is the most
expensive
model from Nokia, with no other alternatives (from Nokia).

For example here in Hungary, none of the providers offer Nokia N900, so
paying the full price (590EUR) is pretty much a non-option for an average
person when he can get an iphone for 35 EUR
(plus 70EUR/month minimum talk).

I also doubt if it runs smoothly on a weaker device (processor-wise). Today
on the train I saw a guy with nokia N900. He was reading some texts on it.
Oh dear, the scrolling was awesomely laggish. As an openmoko user I
know a bit about laggish scrolling;-) It is really sad such a highend
device still suffers from it. (not as bad as openmoko though)

An iphone had never such problem, and it has a weaker hardware...

So Im back to my waiting position. In a year or so, my decision will be
crystal-clear;-)

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 Laszlo

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Re: TangoGPS font size for speed indicator

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Marcus Bauer  wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:36:21 +0200
> "Risto H. Kurppa"  wrote:
>
>> The community shall be the judge and point me where did I go wrong.
>
> The community did already: Risto Kurppa, you have been sending me your
> massively abusive emails after the release of 0.9.3. They were so far
> beyond anything acceptable that I
>
>  a) got a lawyer in Helsinki to deal with you and
>  b) informed the Ubuntu Community Council.

I think it was nothing else just a desperate try to build a
community around tangogps as apparently you failed to do it.

What you should have to do, is simply make clear, you dont
want anybody else to make a community around your project.

Risto was and are a very active mailing list member, had some
very useful comments here, what I think many users
appreciated.

I do believe there was some small misunderstanding in
your email exchanges.


As for the lawyer part, Im really sorry, you needed hire a lawyer
in a foreign country. I hope you didnt spent to much money on
it and also I hope you enjoyed the trip to Helsinki.

However I usually dont hire any lawyers, if I receive some spams
in my inbox. But everyone are free to do in his/her way.

Im pretty sure (as you made clear), Risto wont do any private
mailing/harassment with you in the future.

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Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
 wrote:
>> - Nokia N900
>> http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
>
> Likely. It uses basic GNU/Linux, and the modem interface is at least
> somewhat known. Advanced drivers (Wifi, BT, PowerManagement, Camera)
> unknown though.
>

What I fear about N900 is that it always stays as one single high-end
model to nokia.
There were always single model in the past: n700, n800, n810
No other phones appeared using the same software on it.

So I doubt if it will or want to become a widespread platform, or
always stays as
specialty.

Btw, if there an SHR porting effort to N900? Or e libraries?

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Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Michael Zanetti  wrote:
> The N900 runs a debian like linux with an X11 server. I'm pretty sure it would
> be possible to put FSO on it. It is pretty much open.

> http://maemo.org

You cant use FSO, because the key parts are closed. The modem handling
or even the
battery charger daemon is closed source.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo

The situation is only better, because it happen to have more open
source developers
who are willing to really free the maemo platform. IE reverse engineer
the closed
source programs.

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Re: [Shr-User] Alternatives to FR

[Laszlo KREKACS]

What do you think which mobile phone has the most likeliness to RE or
somehow put fso on it?

- Google Nexus
http://www.google.com/phone/

- Motorola MILESTONE (US version: Droid)
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/XW-EN/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-MILESTONE-XW-EN

Already rooted the US version (Droid):
http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=236&t=567

- Nokia N900
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

- Palm Pre
http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/

- Apple iphone
http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Maybe apple iphone seems unrealistic, but the hardware is quite
similar to the other ones.
Almost all of the aboves uses omap3430 processor. Google Nexus uses
snapdragon...

Is there some site, who tracks the process of RE of each individual devices?

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 Laszlo

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Re: Happy New Year from FSO

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
 wrote:
> There is still hope. I like the form factor of the Palm Pre very much.
> If we get access to the modem, the rest should be relatively simple.
>

Seems like the Motorola Droid is similar hardware-wise to the Palm Pre.
Im still googling to know the exact specs, but seems promising.

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Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Werner Almesberger  wrote:
> The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the
> place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable
> for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has
> high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies.

There is also the openpandora project:
http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en

Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency?
Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone?

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Re: Happy New Year from FSO

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
 wrote:
>> > (or whatever device you run FSO on).
>>
>> Btw how are going the Palm Pre reverse engineering effort?
>
> Somewhat disappointing. Although some progress is being made (and we're
> still working on it), the modem communication proved to be a complete
> show stopper. Apparantly Palm is using one of Qualcomm's binary
> protocols, which is very complex to reverse engineer :/

I had asked, because Im waiting to a device to replace my freerunner.
My only requirement is nice audio quality (any mobile phone out there is ok),
I want to run fso on it, and 3G.

I hoped such device surfaces within a year (ie. until 2011) or even Palm Pre
could be this device ...

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Re: Happy New Year from FSO

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
 wrote:
> (or whatever device you run FSO on).

Btw how are going the Palm Pre reverse engineering effort?

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Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

> "Risto H. Kurppa"  writes:
>> Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone?
Still yes.

>> Do you use FR as your primary PDA?

Define PDA. I use it uniquely for listening music with lyrics, and my
own developed dictionary.

>> What distribution you run most of the time?

SHR-U from september.

I learned the caveats. I use my modified paroli too. It has bugs,
problems, but I know almost all of them.
If it starts with "cant init wifi service", I will not able to pick up
the incoming call for example.
The above bug I figured out in 2 months (why dont appear the incoming
call screen in paroli).

So there are bugs like this, but as I know all of them (never hang up
the same time as the other party, because paroli/fso just freezes), I
can workaround all of them.

> If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change
> over to, and why?

I began seriously thinking to switching back to a normal phone. The
audio quality is unreliable and poor.

>
> The largest issue currently is sound quality during call. I have
> managed to get rid of buzz and echo but sometimes people complain that
> they can't hear what I am saying and sometimes the sound is amplified
> so much that it gets distorted. I have not been able to identify why
> this behavior seems to change.

My biggest issue too. It never really worked. I have awesome quality
with Motorola old Razor
phone (my gf has it), almost never have any issue (buzz, echo, etc)
and she is at the
same provider.

But for example with almost all Samsung phone, they can hardly understand me.
I have also problem with Nokia 6300, sometime my voice get chopped,
and the other party
too. So I hear from 1 sec only half sec, then nothing, another half
second, then nothing.
If I speak slooowly the other party can understand me. But I pretty
often need to guess what the
other party wanted to say.

Also I have problem with people who have different provider then me
(pannon vs. vodafone)

What is worst, it has a serious social impact. There are people, who
simply refuse to call me,
because, my phone is "shitty".
When the above "chopping" occurs, the other party starts to be really
angry, and starts
talking faster and louder, which makes the effect even worse.

Talking to landline has no issue in general.

So in my humble opinion the audio (hardware+software) on the
freerunner is seriously fucked up,
and what is worse, the key people never admitted the fact.

I tried everything, I fighted with the issue more then 6 months now
for a feature which is supposed
to JUST WORKs. And I think my settings are the best possible what can be made.

As the audio quality depends on the other party's phone (motorola is
the best in general), and
also the other's provider too, I dont think it can be ever adjusted
from software...


I only kept using this phone, because of the dictionary and the music
listening with lyrics.
Thats the only reason. And thats why I cant switch to an other phone

I also hate the fact that I need to charge every day my freerunner. I
will look into #1024 fix,
just the situation is so frustrating.

I also miss times to times the incoming call, because Im unable to
hear the ringing...

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 Laszlo

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Re: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Bastian Muck  wrote:
>> Here is a picture to get an idea about printing quality (I printed an
>> iphone docking
>> station for my friend):
>> http://sites.google.com/site/laszlokrekacs/reprap/iphone2_k.jpg
>>
>> Btw I also plan to design a docking station. Anyone interested to
>> collaborating?;-)
> With which software do you design the dockingstation? I have some
> experience with blender. If you use it, I could help.

I didnt modelled the iphone docking station. If I would model a docking station
then it would be definietly an openmoko one, not an iphone one.

I just printed the model out.

Still you can help modelling a docking station. I have something in mind, that
the "mouth" of the docking station would be at least two times bigger than the
phone periphery, and would have a form of a cone.

So I could basically just throw the phone into, and it would
automagically plug itself in.

Laszlo

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Re: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:54 PM, ANT  wrote:
>
> Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
>>I think the full screen issues is just some temporary xfce issue.
>
> Actually I just switched LCD to QVGA mode, not XFCE itself.
>
>>Btw, if you are interested having a 3D case, just shoot me an email
>
> Sure, I'm interested in that. But it is needed to design a CAD model. I may
> try to make one if I have enough spare time. Then I'll email you. Or you may
> help with designing too?

Im a beginner too (in CAD modelling). I imagine the workflow something
like this:
you model it, I print it. Then I post pictures of the print, how is it
looks like on the
freerunner, where are the design faults, and printing faults.
Then we fix it, and print again. And again, and again.

As far as modelling is concerned, this is the open source toolbox:
- blender
- openscad
- qcad
- inkscape

Inkscape is great for the logo for example (import it into blender,
extrude it, etc).
qcad +openscad is great for accurate modelling. qcad for 2d, openscad for
3d (extruding 2d, boolean it, etc).



> I assume you meant a separate case for gamepad addon, but it also would be
> great (as arne anka said) to have a full replacement gaming case for
> Freerunner, or at least a LCD cover with integrated buttons.

As arne have asked too, I own a reprap machine. So there are some limitations,
namely:
- the printing process is achieved layer-by-layer printing. About 0.5mm layers,
so you can feel them with your nail. At least 2 layers required to
really bond together.
- some postprocessing is required, polishing the plastic, to get rid
of the layers,
and have a better look
- no overhangs less then 45 degree. (ie. I cant print a standing
letter T because,
there is nothing under the top part of the T. Or the roof of the
house. (ie. four walls
plus the roof).

So summing up, we need at least 2mm thickness. So printing out the original
case is impossible, because it has less then 1mm of wall thickness.

But for prototyping, or having a gamepad, what you posted does not impose
such a strict limitation. So nobody really care if it is 3mm or 5mm thick.

Here is a picture to get an idea about printing quality (I printed an
iphone docking
station for my friend):
http://sites.google.com/site/laszlokrekacs/reprap/iphone2_k.jpg

Btw I also plan to design a docking station. Anyone interested to
collaborating?;-)

>>and I can print you one if you are in EU. (im sure we can figure out
>>how to ship to worldwide)
> I'm not in EU.

Ok we arrange it somehow.

>>(or having electrical board in return;-)
>
> Of course ;)
Great!

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 Laszlo

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Re: Homemade USB gamepad (NeoPlay)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:04 PM, ANT  wrote:
> [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8VRABmJKSw


This is AWESOME. The game ran smoothly, the buttons didnt had any lags.
Just works. Its really stunning.

I think the full screen issues is just some temporary xfce issue. So the goal
is really having the DOS games in full screen mode. But other than that, it
is ... Ahh, I just cant find the words for this.

Btw, if you are interested having a 3D case, just shoot me an email, and I
can print you one if you are in EU. (im sure we can figure out how to
ship to worldwide). Of course at no cost. (or having electrical board
in return;-)

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Re: True USB plug and play experience

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 wrote:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Klaszlo#True_plug-and-play_experience_using_usb_networking
>
> It is working fine with ubuntu 9.04(jaunty), but I have difficulty
> with 8.10 (intrepid) my gf's laptop, maybe
> it is dependent on the Networkmanager version, maybe my
> memory is a little bit fuzzy, as I setup a month ago originally.
> So please test it and report.

I have just completed the above howto with tested distributions.
So I have tested it under
ubuntu 8.10 - NOT working
ubuntu 9.04 - works
ubuntu 9.10 - works

So basically I have verified my tutorial on ubuntu 9.10, and works great,
no information is lacking, so I can say, that the ubuntu 8.10 is not working.
Time to upgrade;-)

Hope others find this script useful, and can test on other distro too.

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 Laszlo

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When intone running the ringtone is double as loud

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi!

I was always wondering why I miss sometimes phonecalls.
Then today, I discovered, that when intone is running, and
I level up the volume, the phone ringing is much more
louder when intone is not running.

I tried to level up the volume through fso-simplemixer.py,
but even at '101' percent, is not as much loud as with intone
running.

If I launch intone while the phone is ringing, then the ringing
become louder, and if I quit then it get quiter.

What is really stranger, that intone set the volume through amixer:
src/dbus-stuff.c:100

sprintf(cmd, "amixer -c 0 set PCM %d%s", vol, "\%\n");


And in my /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereout.state file,
 the PCM value is already at maximum(255):
control.1 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 255'
iface MIXER
name 'PCM Volume'
value.0 255
value.1 255
}


What I miss? Any idea?

Best regards,
 Laszlo

ps: since I discovered this, intone is always running.

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Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Matthias Huber
 wrote:
> that's exact what i told you, what openbox has: they say: if movement <
> number_pixels then its click,
> if movement >= pixels, its slide.
>
> in your case, one could hava a hysteresis over the time: if a single click
> comes shortly after a slide,
> it is part of slide.
>
> if you measure now the time of the tap, you have all you need for
> differentiating between all this three events.
>
> generally i think, its better to get the btn-release instead of btn-down.
> (from the view of windowmanager)
>
> and you are right: it should be done in tslib or window manager.

In that case you just killed any application which are drawing oriented.
So no Xournal, Sketchbook or any such application.


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Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

> To not confuse with window changing, I would suggest the following scenario:
> 1. double click for launching an app
>
>
> why double click ? for me, i am using double click for a menu and a single
> click for starting the app.

Because when sliding, you can have accidental clicks. I know it from
the hard way.
(I came up a nice usability workaround in paroli exactly for this
issue. It works good.)

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Re: [wikireader]Error on parsing the spanish wikipedia

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
 wrote:
> Are you uploading this changes to git? can I take a look?

Btw is there any plan to implement images rendering?

If so, any time estimation?

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 Laszlo

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Re: Gift for c_c

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:44 AM, c_c  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  I've thought of doing something similar. The only problem I face is
> creating the edje files. But :-
>
> 1.  If we're looking at going the edje way - which does give far better
> layout options (something I had thought about for intone anyway) it would be
> better if intone's look could be overhauled.

I agree. Completely alternative displays could be implement as simple
.edj themes.

>  What I mean is, for eg - we could have rounded buttons (play/pause),
> simple animation for sliding out the vol control etc.

We can play with it yes. However I cant imagine what you mean under
"simple animation for sliding out the vol control".

>  The only reason I haven't moved to edc files is my limitation with the
> layout. Your help (or anyone else's) will be welcome in improving the user
> experience.

We can go with an incremental approach. So no need to implement all at once,
but develop always a little.
If you implement what I posted above, we are already at the .edje theme.
So no extra "voodoo" is required, we can replace other elements with our
custom design step by step.

So the first step is definietly implementing elementary layout.

> 2.  I'll look at implementing the mplayer error reporting part soon. That's
> something that causes most of the remining hangs (if they do occur) - since
> right now intone doesn't respond to mplayer crashing / hanging / getting
> killed. And this is a drawback. The right behaviour should be to pause, tell
> the user something, re-start mplayer and continue playing from where the
> error occurred or move on to the next song.

Seems an important feature.

> 3.  Then - I will add the auto-scrolling feature for karaoke.

I think it can be the first step, as it is only a minor programing challenge,
and only requires elementary layout, which is required anyway.

> What do you think?

I can help you, yes. BUT, I was never able to compile anything for the
freerunner, I could not modify any program which was written in C.

So unless someone can invest time to teaching me for compiling,
developing setup for C, Im unable to help in the programmic part,
basically because, I cant touch the code.

And I also lack C knowledge. I only can code in python and I know a
little elementary/edje programming (embryo scripting).

(Btw, I dont really understand why programming in C is required in
intone, as all the speed critical part is provided by third party
(mplayer, enlightenment). Besides intone does not launch fast.
It launches 6 sec for me on the freerunner, while my own python program
launch 6 sec too. So no speed improvements either.

Im not campaigning for python or anything, just dont know the main
motivation. Python is definietly easier, and development cycle is
much shorter (no compilation required).

If you are willing spend on me multiple days on irc, then I can involve
more into intone, if not I can provide example codes for specific feature.
Thats my offer;-)

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 Laszlo

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Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Neil Jerram  wrote:
> I think it would be more usable (instead of having to scroll) to have
> multiple pages of icons, which you switch between using the same < and
>> as for switching between apps.  (i.e. each icon page acts like
> another app)

To not confuse with window changing, I would suggest the following scenario:
1. double click for launching an app
2. sliding left/sliding right would change the current page. I would
also suggest
different background image for each "virtual desktop".


Laszlo

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Re: Gift for c_c

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:17 PM, c_c  wrote:
>> I hope you find it useful c_c, and you implement it in your intone
>> program. No more excuse ...
>>
>  I will :-D Thanks!
>  There are a few pending things to be done in intone. Will do them soon.


I also figured out a rough way to autoscroll lyrics based on the music:
1. We know the current position and the length of the music:
t_percent = t_cur/t_length

2. We can scroll an elementary scroller:
(x_cur, y_cur, x_max, y_max) = scroller1.region_get()

y_cur = int(y_max*t_percent)
scroller1.region_show(x_cur, y_cur, x_max, y_max)


It will be not accurate (so when we scroll with our finger, we should disable
the autoscrolling feature), but should work most of the time;-)
(also reenable when songs changes)


Also I have thinked a bit about lyrics timing function.
We should display the lyrics as normal edje TEXT. So
we can change each line's color. Also we need some buttons (preferably
over the text).
No scrolling required in this scenario. We see the current line and
past two lines and the
following two lines.

I can cook up a proof-of-concept gui for this, if you have trouble.


If you have trouble with my precedent example, I can finish the intone gui
(I already did a hbox with some buttons;-), just didnt want to confuse you.
But the idea is simple, we are using edje for the same as you used vbox.

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 Laszlo

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Re: Congratulation, Wikireader! 7th in Amazon TOP 100

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 wrote:
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/ref=pd_ts_pg_4?ie=UTF8&pg=4

Just to put this into perspective:
Amazon Kindle got 7111 customer review while WikiReader 13.

Laszlo

ps: sorry for spamming the thread;-)

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Re: Congratulation, Wikireader! 7th in Amazon TOP 100

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Thomas Otterbein  wrote:
> Hmm, a lot of devices made by Palm, some of them already stone old, are the
> Bestsellers at Amazon? Where is their own Kindle? Or devices from HTC? Does HP
> still procude Handhelds at all?
>

If we take all the electronics category, the Kindle is the first, and
WikiReader is not in the top 100:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/ref=pd_ts_pg_4?ie=UTF8&pg=4


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Gift for c_c

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi!

Some months back I promised to c_c to show him an example code, how to
hide elementary entry, and show another. (Intone paging between lyrics
view, cover art view, file list).

So here it goes:
http://github.com/klaszlo/esnippets/tree/master/playground/intone/

Just launch this program using (I already compiled the .edj file, so
you dont need to launch build.sh manually):
 python cc_simple.py

How demo works:
Just click on the entry (Textbox 1), it should change to "Textbox 2"
and back to "Textbox 1" when you click it again.

I hope you find it useful c_c, and you implement it in your intone
program. No more excuse ...

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Re: Strange behaviour of elementary entry and illume keyboard. Did anybody noticed it?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Petr Vanek  wrote:
> has this been reported in E track?

Nope as I only figured out today what the exact cause of this strange behaviour.
I always thought I click on the wrong place ...

Also Im quite happy, as I can reproduce this bug on my desktop too
with an elementary app.

Start typing in an elementary entry, then click any other object in the window
(lets say an edje part TEXT), and continue typing without clicking
inside the entry.
All chars entered one char before the last one.


But dunno how to debug more.

Laszlo

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Re: Congratulation, Wikireader! 7th in Amazon TOP 100

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra  wrote:

> Congratulation, Wikireader! 7th in Amazon TOP 100

Already at 4th.

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Strange behaviour of elementary entry and illume keyboard. Did anybody noticed it?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi!

Have anybody noticed, when you type some text in a elementary entry,
then you click on any other element (a button for example) and you
click again on the entry.

Now the cursor is still at the end of the text. But when you send some
chars using illume
keyword it inserts the chars *before the last char*.

And what is really strange: The backspace button (or swiping left on
the keyboard) does erase the LAST char.
Even after you inserted some chars already before the last char. The
backspace still erase the last char.

Once you erased one char from the end (using backspace), you are back
to the normal behaviour.
The cursor is at the end, when you type chars, it inserted at the end,
and the backspace deletes the last
char too.


Any possible explanation?

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Re: Insisting on metaphors that exploit the device's weaknesses (Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
 wrote:
>>The problem is : on the freerunner we merely need something to display some
>>simple widgets, scroll the screen smoothly (because on a small display you
>>always need to scroll)
>
> Why do all of you insist on using scrolling as the only metaphor to present
> excerpts of large content? Given the physical size of the display and the
> hardware constraints (touchscreen jitter, for a start... not going to comment
> on the Glamo) I think this is very questionable. There are other metaphors
> available that would fit the device's strengths much better. What about 
> paging?
>
>

Or discrete scrolling. (ie. only scroll by lets say 48px height).

Also text only scrolling would be useful to speed up.
(most of our scrolling happens on the text).

Or dont load the whole text only the first 20 lines of it, and when you hit
at the bottom, load the rest of the text. (Im implementing this approach,
and I expect better speed of this *workaround* then what elementary
provides by default)

I do believe that scrolling can be speedup. Especially for texts.

I also think that a zoom in/zoom out interface can be also speedier
than what the current scrolling is. Ie.you zoom out the texts, and
zoom in the other part of it...

What I think our hardware shows really its limitation is the animations.
But I dont think scrolling falls in that category.

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Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:01 AM, DJDAS  wrote:
> AHAHAHAHAH.Guy, please go home
> I followed this thread and read too much bul***it but now it's very very
> interesting your position! So E it's a very
> optimized-full_of_fancy-magical-biggest window manager BUT all of his
> stuff works like Qt only if you don't use them! :D VERY FUNNY!


Dude, what is lacking in your comment is some respect.

Raster has some deep knowledge in graphical libraries, and more
then 10 years of experience. So raster knows more then most of us
will ever learn in his whole life...;-)


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Re: Centralization of graphical awesomeness

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Carsten Haitzler  wrote:

I would only rise couple of points here:

Scrolling is not optimized at the maximum.
Look at ipod or nintendo DS, they do *discrete* scrolling and it is
amazingly fast.

They dont do kinetics, or pixel perfect scrolling like iphone.

Also on a side note if the content is a bit bigger, the scrolling is
exponentially slows down...


> but.. if i were smart.. i'd not develop apps for the freerunner. it's a "dead
> product". it has no more being produced. it has no evolution path. there won't
> be a gtao3, 04, 05 etc. everyone quit or was fired/let go from om that worked
> on phones.. or worked on pretty much anything. your future is other devices..

Lets count the elementary apps here. How many of them written for the
Freerunner?
Sad true: almost all usable elementary app are written for the Freerunner.

Where are the other "future" devices to developing for? There is none.
Maybe Palm Pre reverse engineering will change things a little,
but its only a hope right now. (and also a dead-end, as the Palm Pixi
is a no-go, and
probably the future devices will be also)

So fixing some annoying things because of the Freerunners actually makes sense,
as we are a huge e userbase with a couple of *usable* real world apps.
Not demos;-)

In my personal view, even the Freerunner would be 10 times better
hardware-wise,
would not change to many things. As the lowlevel apps is getting in
usable shape
just now. I can use my phone like a month *reliably* thanks to frameworkd.

I think in a year or so we will grow out the Freerunner. But until
then there is a lot
of small usable apps to write!;-)

Best regards,
 Laszlo

ps: Im still figthing with the bad audio experience after 7(!) months...
Yeah, the Freerunner could be better.

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Re: My python + e program freeze after suspend

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 wrote:
> Can somebody try out, and confirm?


It is pretty sad, nobody had 2 minutes to try it out. What is more
sad, that not my only
program are affected, but any program which use elementary.Entry.

So if you are typing an SMS in shr-messages or paroli's sms window,
then it has the
same symptom. Ie. after suspend-resume cycle you cant input anymore into Entry.

Also it seems suspend-resume cycle is not even required, only change
to an other window
and change back.

What I find the most strange, that nobody even noticed this bug until now


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Re: #1024-rework service available

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
 wrote:
> Q: Bass-Rework?
> A: we currently have no plans because it is again a different work
> which has to be evaluated, tested, prepared for the public. And demand
> appears to be lower.

But having bass rework the same time as the 1024 fix, its a huge
benefit and also
more attractive service.

I for example will never send my phone for just to the #1024 fix,
because I plan
to in a way or another apply the bass fix.
So no point to sending you to do the half of the job. (the easier half actually)

Frankly, when you dismounted the phone, and you have the necessary
tools in your hand, than applying
the bass rework in plus, is a negligible price


In my really biased view, I find ugly to coming up each quarter year
to provide a separate fix, and thus requireing people to send you
their freerunner multiple times...
((also I find not fair to having the two fix together involves almost
the double price, as it does not require double amount of work))

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 Laszlo

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Re: My python + e program freeze after suspend

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 wrote:
> It happens every time after suspend. Do somebody have any idea?

Here is a little demo app:
http://github.com/klaszlo/esnippets/tree/master/playground/swallowd_entry/

Simply copy to the freerunner, launch it:
cd swallowd_entry; python ./sentry.py

Suspend the device, and wake up.

No it is not possible anymore to change the text in the Entry
(where are the initial "lolza" text).

Can somebody try out, and confirm?

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My python + e program freeze after suspend

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi!

I have written a small application, it uses plain python and
elementary and edje bindings.
No dbus. My problem, is when the phone goes back from suspend, it works
only partially. The callbacks works, buttons works. But the
elementary.Entry seems
like it freezed, ie. I cant delete chars from it, or add to it. So it
freezed partially.

It happens every time after suspend. Do somebody have any idea?

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Re: Glamo

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Thomas Zimmermann
 wrote:
> You should look at the IRC Channel, we are speaking nearly every day about
> Xorg and xf86-video-glamo.

#openmoko-cdevel ?

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Re: True USB plug and play experience

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
 wrote:
> ok some trial and error and it works
> MacAddres is the on reported in the host though dmesg (for example,
> you can also obtain it though ifconfig) and the uuid, seems arbitrary
> mean while you use the same in all the scripts
> Thanks  Lazlo :)

Oh, I missed this message. Nice to hear, you succeed on your own!

* What is your system?
* Any additional tweaking?
* Your NetworkManager version?

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Re: True USB plug and play experience

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:56 PM, David Reyes Samblas Martinez
 wrote:
> Hi Lazlo
> I was trying to follow your tutorial of USB plug and play but I have a doubt,
> How did you find the UUID and the MacAddress?

Mac adress: just ifconfig on the laptop, while the freerunner is plugged in.

UUID: it is a simple identifier for the connection. It can be anything, only
requirements, that you use HEX numbers. (0-9a-f)
It identifies the connection internally in NetworkManager. Using this
identifier you can write script for it.

Please report back, if you success.

I plan to migrate to ubuntu 9.10 once it is out, and redo this config.
(I had no luck with ubuntu 8.10. So Im interested in your experience)

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Re: [brainstorm]Online contact sync

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Atilla Filiz  wrote:
> I was thinking about storing my contact list online. I don't feel
> comfortable giving my contacts' phone numbers to google or someone else.


> Before sending contact info, the phone will encrypt the data(vcard?)
> with gpg for the owner's self.

Why not encrypt it, and upload to google? Each field should be
encrypted, to be shared with google.

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True USB plug and play experience

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Dear list,

I have using my laptop+2 Freerunners since more than a
month now with this setup.

I have written down this tutorial, because I have promised
to Paul Fertser:-)

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Klaszlo#True_plug-and-play_experience_using_usb_networking

It is working fine with ubuntu 9.04(jaunty), but I have difficulty
with 8.10 (intrepid) my gf's laptop, maybe
it is dependent on the Networkmanager version, maybe my
memory is a little bit fuzzy, as I setup a month ago originally.
So please test it and report.

What are the achieved features you may ask, here it goes:
* manually assigned IP to the freerunner (no DHCP wait)
* each freerunner recognised and separate name is assigned to it. (ie.
when I plug my freerunner in my laptop, it displays "Laci's moko")
* a script is executed when the freerunner is plugged in
 (it set up the iptables rule currently for the network, but it will
 (in the future) also auto-sync some stuff with my laptop))
* I can access the internet from the freerunner without problem (no
need any manual command typed in the terminal)
* Each freerunner is recognised individually, and the appropriate part
of the script is executed


Please respect this work, as it took several days,
and some heavy help from NetworkManager's developers (namely dcbw,
asac and NoelJB)
to fully setup and debug it. It had various problems and headaches.


I hope you enjoy using it, and report back how is it going.
I personally love the plug and play experience.

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 Laszlo

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Re: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Xavier Cremaschi
 wrote:
> As read on slashdot :
> [...]
> at those kind of power usage levels, you could hack a small solar cell
> into it and it should work anywhere you've got sunlight. Imagine a
> complete breakdown of civilization as we know it. Books are heavy and
> inconvenient and make good kindling. Without electricity, compact
> digital forms of information retrieval become impossible. What do we use
> to rebuild civilization after a couple generations of this send us back
> to the dark ages? This thing.
> [...]
>
> :P

http://xkcd.com/208/

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Re: Buy WikiReader [was: WikiReader]

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau
 wrote:
> and I think most interested question for all
> openmoko community now is:

I think the most interested question is:
"What are they smoking?"

Seriously guys, any ebook reader is way more advanced then this
"WikiReader", and it is not suited for the job at all.
It does not support colored images, or images at all.

And reading the general feedback on the web (engadget, two other local
sites), almost all of the commenters find this device a joke. I
couldnt read *one* positive feedback from them.

In plus, evopedia was not generating too much interests either. And I
do think evopedia is much more advanced than this *dedicated* device.

At least implement offline wiktionary.org, to be able to promote as a
replacement for electronic dictionary devices.

Sorry for my harsh comment, but my bad joke just came true:

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Laszlo:
> I even found the first prototype;)
> http://www.rob-matthews.com/index.php?/project/wikipedia/


I truly hope, Im wrong here, and I wish you success!

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Re: [SHR] new package: theremin (alfa version warning)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Valery Febvre  wrote:
> Aapo Rantalainen wrote:
>> I packaged maemo-theremin[1] on freerunner SHR-U.

I hear nothing else, just noise (zzZZZzz, brrrZZZrr) coming out of the
speaker...:-(
 Any idea?

Laszlo

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Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen
 wrote:
> For instance font-sizes should imho be adjustable by the app, not
> locked to a theme.

I do believe, it is also beneficial to adjust the overall look to it.
My view is pretty
much summerized in jimmac's blogpost:
http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=31

Although its not an icon, but the analogy its quite perfect.

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Re: [fso based] Simplified mixer app

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 wrote:
> So when saving there is some dbus messaging going on.
> But there is no message what is really going on.

Ok, after looking at the code (line 790):
   def SaveState(self, arg, scenario):
self.audio_iface.StoreScenario(scenario)

I didnt find StoreScenario on the docs.freesmartphone.org:
http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=specs.git;a=blob_plain;f=html/org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.html;hb=HEAD

Nice to see, there is such an option. I was completely unaware of this feature.
Btw, where should inform myself of the correct freesmartphone doc?
IS there somewhere a newer doc? How do you do it?

For you code: You dont do any sanity checking if the storing was
successful (what frameworkd returns by the way? True/False?)

Would be nice to check for it and display to the user about the outcome.

Best regards,
 Laszlo

ps: Ok I stop spamming your thread.

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Re: [fso based] Simplified mixer app

[Laszlo KREKACS]

First: sorry for the many grammar errors in my previous post.
I just sended it, without reread it carefully.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 wrote:
> 1. when clicking on save there is no report what you did exactly, and was it
> successful.

Hmm, its not quite true. There is a dbus warning on stdout;)
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged

So when saving there is some dbus messaging going on.
But there is no message what is really going on.

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Re: [fso based] Simplified mixer app

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 wrote:
> Do you have any idea whats wrong?

Im suspecting line 345:
value 'Constant PGA Gain'
versus:
value 'Mute ADC Output'

But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely lost.

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Re: [fso based] Simplified mixer app

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 wrote:
> But there is so many things what changed, that Im completely lost.

Just wanted to notice you, that restoring the original
gsmhandset.state file (and rebooting)
does solve my problem. Im able to take call, and hear the other party.
(and he able to hear me).

Although your program was nice. It changed the mic way better, what I
had. Other party
said, its much louder and clearer.

Hope you can sort out, why the broken .state file is broken. And where
the bugs comes from ...

Best regards,
 Laszlo

ps: Ok. I seriously stop spamming...

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Re: [fso based] Simplified mixer app

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Laszlo KREKACS
 wrote:
> ps: Ok I stop spamming your thread.

Cant stand it...:(

After I adjusted the mic volume during call, and pushed multiple times
the save button.
We hanged up. AFter about half hour, I got a call, and nobody heared
anything (nor me, nor the callee).

Im examining the difference between the two state files right now:
Original: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/142502/
Broken: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/142501/
Diff: http://paste.pocoo.org/compare/142502/142501/

Also on the console I have seen:
Gain effectively muted. Returning 0

The Earpiece slider is at 0 (it was always at 0, and worked fine). If
I raise it, there is no
difference.
I see this in the console:
Speaker: 0 set to 92
Speaker: 1 set to 92
Bypass: 0 set to 71
Bypass: 1 set to 71
Speaker: 0 set to 94
Speaker: 1 set to 94
Bypass: 0 set to 100
Bypass: 1 set to 100


Do you have any idea whats wrong?

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Re: [fso based] Simplified mixer app

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Al Johnson
 wrote:
> Feedback would be welcome.

There have been many attempts to implement volume control;)
Angus looked into it, did two versions (gtk, and after elementary)

I have also researched some of the things.

Nice to see, that there is an another attempt. I hope you will done it right;)

I have only one suggestion:
Please implement a help button on every near every group, where you
explain shortly the most essential infos about the options.

I just launched your program and it picked up the stereout .state file, and
displayed the sliders. Screenshot:
http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/fso-mixer-screenshot.png

The screenshot is a bit wrong, because it does show the "Stereo Out" string,
in the middle (above Microphone). So it looks normal in real life,
dunno why the
screenshot didnt included it. (maybe it was rendering while captured the screen)

I would like see the following help buttons:
Stereo Out [help]
Microphone [help]
Speaker [help]

Help of the Stere Out page should be something similar:
"""
Stereo Out state is corresponds, when the phone is idle
(ie waiting for incoming call, or playing music).
Microphone is disabled in this state, and Speaker corresponds to
the speaker at the bottom near to the Neo text.
[Should show a picture with a neo indicating where the microphone and
the speaker are.]
"""

Help of Microphone page should be something similar:
"""
Mic2 corresponds to XXX alsa settings (or group of alsa settings)
Mono corresponds to XXX alsa setting
Mono Sidetone corresponds to XXX alsa setting.
Microphone can be altered also by this alsa settings: XXX,YYY, ZZZ
However it is strongly discouraged to touch them.

Advices:
The monoside tone is used for XXX. You should hear XXX, when you
raise it. Highest state does not automatically means better/louder
voice transmitted.

Also some other advices how to correctly adjust the sliders. Like on
the wiki page:
reduce #5 by some 15..30 steps
do testcall:
you get very low volume at far end. but tone should be clear, no
clipping (sharp agressive noise)
if there is clipping: reduce #48 by one step (i.e. to "2")
then adjust #5 to your preferences and taste

"""

Keep in mind that your program should be self-explanatory and
useful for even for the first time user.

If you want the explanatory pictures, Im sure somebody can draw it
for you. If nobody step up, I look into what can I make;)


There is also some AT command to affect the voice quality.
Mickey told me, that on his freerunner, value 4 works better then
value 5 (the default).
I think it should also be included in your program, to give the
ability to play with it...
(if the user are still not satisfied with the result).


Usability reports:

IT is nice, that your program switch the display automagically when the
incoming call happens.

However I think these are defectives:
1. when clicking on save there is no report what you did exactly, and was it
successful.
I think on shr, you should save the .state file to /usr/share/shr/scenarii/ dir.
So I expect something similar:
Copying /usr/share/shr/scenarii/stereout.state to
~/.simplemixer/backup/stereout-20091002-1424.state... Success!
Overwriting /usr/share/shr/stereout.state... Success!
Saving was successful, even after reboot you should have the same
voice experience as now.

2. When you adjusted the microphone while talking, and other hangup,
your program automagically switch back to stereout.state display
-> no ability to save the adjusted gsmhandset.state (the state file
while talking)

We should be able to switch between states, and adjust/save them invidually.
Also you should display which one is active currently (bold text, or
something similar).

However I like your program! Keep it up!

Would be nice to create a googlecode project for this.

Best regards,
 Laszlo

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Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:
> About the information density & 4 lines text too small - Why not use
> the full 5 blocks (= 60% of the screen area) of space to show
> information when you select one of the menu items.

I like this idea.

Also soon, a suspend button will appear on the launcher at the bottom
right corner (in the current git, there is already a picture, but not
a real button).

The reasoning is simple, when you use your phone everyday (as I am),
you want to suspend it *fast*. Without going to the illume icon view.

So I think the design should include it.

Until now I requested the following things from Jon:
1. put each topbar icon as a separate .png file online with an
appropriate license.
2. show me one screen with unsmoothed text (whatever it means)

(3) optional: make texts larger (its future work, as we are talking
about quite a number of screens here)

I have been thinking about implementing a bit more. I will read
one more time throughly the proposal, and write a summary letter,
how I think we should proceed, and how others can dive
into e gui development.

Jon: Can you redraw the home screen using inkscape? Just that one:
http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main.jpg

Here is a barebone .svg file, to get starting:
http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/concept_drawing.svg

Dont concentrate on the small details, ie. the gradients between the rows.
Use simple rectangles, also for the icons you can use your already
 separated .png files.

I will be offline for the weekend, so my detailed letter will come on
monday the latest. Until it's plenty of time for inkscape learning;-)

Best regards,
 Laszlo

ps: For gui development we will use inkscape. The reasoning is simple:
it is the best (open source) program for the purpose. So if we would
use photoshop for example, its a huge (financial) barrier for others to enter.

Also with inkscape, with a little training, you can exactly feel how
the gui will be build. In edje, the gui is drawn on a canvas, just like
in inkscape. Only limited thing is, we dont have that many tool (ie.
we only have rectangles, images, texts, etc in our repertoire, and not
the more advanced things like vector circle, spiral or bezier curve
as in inkscape)

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Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:36 PM, EdorFaus  wrote:>
> This approach doesn't work. Especially the blurring is wrong.
>
> The Freerunner screen has a lot more pixels in the same physical size,
> so it is much sharper than your computer screen - resizing down like
> that loses information, and then the blur makes it even worse, and moves
> the result even further away from the FR's screen.

You completely missed my point. I see many old people, when they look
at their phone, they take an *eyeglasses* to be able to navigate or
dial a people from the phonebook.

And they even take a glass while *driving*...

What I want to achieve, is these people could confortably navigate in paroli.

Why is it that important? Because if they can read and navigate, you are
able too, with one hand, while driving, and only looking a sec on your
phone...;-)

Im not advertising texting while driving at all. Just wanted to show you what I
mean under easy of navigating;)

Oh, and by the way, if you are shortsighted, then its a big help, that you do
not need to look closely on the device (assuming you dont wear your eyeglasses).


OK, enough talk.

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Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen
 wrote:
>>So could you please repost your proposal with much bigger texts?;)
>
> I believe your approach to this is wrong, my mockups contains elements that
> for sure needs to be taken care of in the code,
> this includes, if im not mistaken, text styles, sizes, shapes of boxes
> etc...

In your proposal there is no place for bigger texts. It is that simple.
It needs to rethink some part of the gui. No code will help here.


> Have you layed out a plan for this, I am interested to see what you come up
> with.

Sorry I dont understand it. Plan for what exactly?

> Btw, out of curiosity, are you with the dev team?

Cant comment here.

>>3. No idea what is the 23 number of the upper left corner of clock.
>>Should be 42, no?;)
>
> Just "second" indicator. It could be 42 if it was 19 seconds later:)

Updating the gui in every sec, is a no-go on a battery equipped device.


> I disagree here. However, I see now that I should've turned off smoothing,
> just for the sake of visualization.

Could you show one screen with "turned off smoothing" ?

> See my first comment. Text size should be considered at a later stage, also,
> this is easy to change in code.

Cant. If there is no place for bigger texts, than there is no place.;)


>>6. In the current paroli gui, there are quite a big role of sliding
>>left and right. Its a nice screen size saver.
>>I think its totally lacks your design.
>
> :)

:)) Was it a serious answer? :)



> I used photoshop for the mockups. If paroli devs are interested in working
> on this, i will provide vectorized variants of what is needed,

If you *seriously* want to see this implemented you should wrap your
mind around
coding. I can help you get started. But you can't expect developers
implement all these proposals as soon as possible. Most importantly, because
paroli lacks some every-day feature, and has some serious bugs.

> but as my first comment states, there are alot of things here that should be
> taken care of by the code.

I think the best proposal is what matches 99% of the final look.

> As stated in my post, I am not sure about the limitation of the toolkit, I
> am unsure if gradients and shapes might be taken care of by it.

Ok.

> Can you elaborate? The background image is just used to show how it looks
> with custom bg.

Of course. If we broke down your proposal into smaller steps. Then
you have one proposal, where you propose custom background image.

I just mentioned Im working on it. And it is intead possible to change the
background of the homescreen in paroli (although it is hackish right now).


> :)
:)


>> Would you mind to put the topbar at the bottom in your
>>proposal?
>
> Yeah, in my posts I had an entry about that, I would mine, as it breaks the
> normal flow.

Care to elaborate?

>
>>Are you also interested in implementing your gui? I would be more than
>>happy to mentoring you.
>
> Sure, but I am not a programmer, I would love to work closely with someone
> who wants to do this.

Nobody born as a programmer. The question is, are you ready to devote
2hours/day until it is implemented?

> I want feedback from devs and maybe set up a meeting. This needs to be
> planned out.

Not much to be planned. The most simple way, is break down your proposal
into small steps. Like:
- easily changable background image.
- adapt your topbar icons
- make the homescreen a list with icons
- etc, etc

Then implement this small steps.

> Someone on this list has already mentioned that they don't belive this could
> be re-programmed into paroli.

Hmm. We should rephrase this question, to something like this:
- Is it possible to implement that complex gui using enlightenment's libraries?

And it turns out, its a rhetorical question;)

(although there are some part of your proposal, which are almost impossible
to implement. Im thinking about your top shelf's sliding idea for example. We
cant interact with illume topshelf, and I dont think, paroli want to go to the
fullscreen direction (again), as it generated too much resistance from users
in the past.)

> It's also possible to discuss this more up-close on my site's comments, or
> you can find me on #paroli, #openmoko-cdevel, #openmoko

Hmm, you are not online...


> Jon Kristian

Laszlo

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Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Laszlo KREKACS]

> Just some remarks;)

Also could you post all your icons as separate .png files?
With a reasonable license. GPL is required for paroli.
(but you can dual-license, release it as public domain, etc)


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Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen
 wrote:
> Now these are just mock-ups, but ihmo pretty god ones. I've spent quality
> time thinking about user friendliness and what I'd like to see:) Ofcourse
> I've probably missed

Just some remarks;)

1: Try to put these pictures on the Freerunner, to see how it feels.
There are view
image viewer out there, or you can even write a simple elementary
application for it.

On my 15.4" laptop, the freerunner screen is equal to a 176x235 pixel rectangle.
So if you scale your images to this size, you can observe a few things.
Lets talk about the main screen:
http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main.jpg

Apart from the clock, none of the texts are readable. I can read some,
if I seriously
try, but my mom cant read it for sure.
To demonstrate it, here is a resized, blurred image (just apply
gaussian blur in gimp):
http://laszlo.krekacs.googlepages.com/paroli-ui-proposal.png

So there are some key texts which are not readable at all. There is no
rule (yet), for the
minimum text size on paroli, but I try to avoid all small texts.

So could you please repost your proposal with much bigger texts?;)

Its a huge rework I know.

2. Button sizes
Also there should be some rules for the minimum size of a button. Currently
the back buttons are 159x69 pixel, and the calculator has a button size of
96pixel at least in one direction. so I would say 96x48 pixel should
be the minimum
of a button.

Even if the button is not looks like as 96pixel wide or tall, the
clicking area should be
that big. An excellent example your own gallery site, where the PREV and NEXT
buttons' clicking area are 240x640pixel rectangle.

3. No idea what is the 23 number of the upper left corner of clock.
Should be 42, no?;)

4. Although Im not a designer at any means, but I think the pixelized
icons does not really
much with the smoothed texts.

5. The displayed numbers of incoming and outgoing calls are almost
unreadable. Should be way bigger.

6. In the current paroli gui, there are quite a big role of sliding
left and right. Its a nice screen size saver.
I think its totally lacks your design.

7. If you are seriously thinking to implement this gui in paroli, I
really suggest you, to try to draw some of the screen
in inkscape. It helps the implementation a lot.

8. There are many eyecandy in your image, which takes *time* to
implement it, and also slows down the gui a little. Im thinking about
all the gradient at the edge of each button, or the sms text view.

Other than that, I really like your proposal, there are some aspects
on which Im already working.
For example the background image:
http://jonkristian.no/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/main_custom_background.jpg

I also like some of your icons a lot, especially for the toolbars.

Im working (right now) of putting the paroli's topbar at the bottom to
be a bottombar;)
It is because the top is reserved for illume topbar, and two topbars
does not make sense. Especially, when its hard to touch the edge of
the screen. Would you mind to put the topbar at the bottom in your
proposal?

Are you also interested in implementing your gui? I would be more than
happy to mentoring you.

Best regards,
 Laszlo

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Re: Paroli Theme/UI proposals

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Dan Staley  wrote:
> Those ideas look great!  But I agree with Steven, I think it would require
> much more than a theme to get that functionality working.

I dont think so.

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Re: recommendations for headset or 3.5mm adapter

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Stefan Buschmann  wrote:
> I've got the official openmoko headset, but I don't like those in-ear
> headphones,

I got a Motorola W388 for 1cent with my contact lens. It was packaged
with a nice
usb micro charger and with a nice 2.5mm headset, which isnt in-ear. It
even has a
button, but it does not seem to work, or dunno how to test it.
So it was a good deal only for the headset;) I never used really the
phone, because
I tried two or three times, and it shutdown when I tried hangup. (a
little longer push
on the cancel button resulted a shutdown). It was so annoying, that I
didnt turn on
since.*

So headsets exist. I have seen 2.5->3.5mm converter too, but what I have seen
was without a small cable, so it was a solid thing coming out of the
phone about 3 cm,
which makes really fragile (prone to break the jack off of the phone).

Best regards,
 Laszlo

*: My gf also wanted to use that phone only for music playing (had a
uSD card slot),
but as it didnt act like a usb thumbdrive, it required some
windows-only driver to
access the uSD,  it was a no-go. (when intone turned out to be useful enough
I bought an another fr for my gf)

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Re: FreeRunner case + stylus holder (was Re: New case)

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Brolin Empey  wrote:
> but lacks a stylus holder.

I use my freerunner as my (only) cell phone and I spent additional
time just for hacking on it,
so I use it extensively.

I bought a leather case with my freerunner from tuxbrain, and it
protects the freerunner,
and has a stylus holder too.

My freerunner felt more then 20 times already (even from the first floor*),
but thanks to this case, there is no damage at all... (I also have
screen protector which is an absolute musthave).

*:I also had an accident with my electric bike, and the leather case
damaged quite a lot
(the metal clip has no longer leather on it;), but the feerunner
survived without a scratch,
just the leather case, the bike, my pants and t-shirt damaged.

So I recommend a case, which has a stylus holder builtin. Also it is a
good idea, to
protect your freerunner by the way.

Just my 2 cents.

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Mokomaze and incoming call

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi!

Although I love Mokomaze, its just addictive, could it be modified in a way,
when an incoming call happens, it stops itself (like when you touch on
the screen),
to prevent CPU abuse?

What happened to me: Mokomaze was running when incoming call happened,
the call screen came up way longer then usual (ie. about 3 sec), and when
I hit the accept button it could not accept the call, and the vibrator
just rerun for a few ms in every sec or two sec. Really strange.

Then the other party hang up. Mokomaze, came back, I stopped it, and
recalled the guy who called me. So it was really a minor annoying issue,
but it costed me 1 min of call;-)


And btw, what happened with the mokomaze's dreams like:
* 2 player mode (I play, then i pass to her to play, then I play again)
* number of lives
* some score system
* some cheetings
* enemy ball or teleport doors or having multiple balls when you hit
a magic hole, just like what flippers do.

Calm me, that the development didnt stopped ...;)

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Re: Emulate right-click for copy/paste?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Jan Henkins  wrote:
> I've read here and there that it at least used to be possible to emulate a
> right-click

In any elementary app long pushing on a textblock popups a small select and
cut/copy/paste menu.

So its builtin. I tested in paroli's sms app, intone's lyrics view.

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Re: Freerunner in real world

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Cry  wrote:
> Does anyone have a solution for this?  I can't see the screen on my
> freerunner when I am in sunshine.  It is completely washed out.

Did you tried paroli? It has a black&white design for a reason.;)
I can read the screen without problem in direct sunlight too.

I know there is no gps app with similar design, but Im working on it;-)

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Re: [ETK] Problem running etk hello world.

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Adolph J. Vogel  wrote:
> I`m trying to run some of the examples from enlightenment trunk on my laptop
> with pyhton-etk installed, but it appears i`ve been a naughty programmer. :)
>
> *** ECORE ERROR: Ecore Magic Check Failed!!!
> *** IN FUNCTION: ecore_evas_window_get()
>  Input handle pointer is NULL!
> *** NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!!
> *** SPANK SPANK SPANK!!!
> *** Now go fix your code. Tut tut tut!
>
>
> Certainly one of the most creative tracebacks i`ve ever seen, but meaningless
> to me. Does anybody have an idea to rectify this?

Could you make sure, you have set the DISPLAY variable right?

Btw, you need to catch up with some south park episode
to fully enjoy the error message;-)

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Re: Selling/giving damaged Neo Freerunner.

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Radek Bartoň  wrote:
> except of damaged PCB and missing
> micro-USB and micro-BNC connectors.

What the hell did you do with this poor freerunner? Messed hardware fixes?

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Re: Need a SIP based phone application

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM, John Dowd  wrote:
> However I well ultimately need a SIP phone
> application in the end.

http://www.openapathy.org/screenshots/

Designed for the freerunner, uses elementary.

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Re: 2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Paul Fertser  wrote:
>> * BFS scheduler
>
> Who said it works any better?

Michael Buesch says it performs 1.5 times better on an wl500 router:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=125233663823328&w=2

Cyanogen tried out with Android+Freerunner:
http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/3836404163
"One last thing.. you know the lag you get when your phone rings and
it doesn't display right away? Yeah thats gone now."

Thomas White:
" It's difficult to say, really.  I haven't done any "scientific" tests,
but it feels a little faster in some areas (suspend/resume, Illume
sliders and toggles), and pretty much the same in most other places."


Thank you for the updates! Im really looking forward to report 2.6.31
related bugs to
the bugtracker!;))

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2.6.31 is out, where is my ultimate kernel?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi!

I just want to notice the list that the 2.6.31 final kernel is out.
Everybody was
waiting for it, to be able properly merge all patches floating around.

So I expect with the new kernel the following features:
* KMS
* BFS scheduler
* imporved wifi
* improved gprs
* improved resume time
* improved battery management, aka "dump battery" support
* No WSOD anymore for sure (not even in cold/warm or temperature change)
* improved everything.

Can the kernel developers let the community know, when new important
things happens? Is the new git structure is already in place?
Is the patches are revisited and cleaned up for the new kernel?
What patches didnt go upstream?

There are *many* interesting questions, which can be interested
to us, non kernel hackers.

Btw, who are the people behind it, who is responsible for what?
Some kind of summerization, and updates about the process
would be more then welcome on this link. (I think others agree
with me).

So start flow a bit of information to us, mortals;)

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 Laszlo

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Re: [SHR-U] Paroli working now

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Marcel  wrote:
> On automatic startup via paroli-autostart package, Paroli shows this to
> me:
>
> "can't init service Wifi :
> org.moblin.connman.Error: .InvalidProperty"
>
> Tried again by restarting paroli without reboot in between, then the
> error doesn't occur. Enabling wifi from paroli-settings seems to work,
> although "Networks" doesn't show any of them while iwlist scan is
> successful. Already had that problem on 2009t5...
>
> wifi.py 108 wifi     INFO     setting power of wifi device
> [...]
> wifi.py 116 wifi     INFO     new status active
> [...]
> wifi.py 200 wifi     INFO     power active
>
> BTW: "Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
> without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged"
> is damn annoying. Just need to say that once again. :/
>

Im not sure we should do all settings in paroli.
The paroli-settings application was always meant
to be independant (but style matching) to paroli.

So I dont know the right place of wifi enabling/disabling, managing
is in paroli settings. Maybe we should reduce the settings to
change wallpaper(not implemented), color costumization (not implemented yet),
ringtone, volume adjustement, pin code enable/disable, roaming settings,
gprs settings, and thats about it.

Time settings, wifi Im not sure at all, paroli has any business in
these domains...

Anyway I should raise this question to the paroli mailing list, and see
what other paroli developers think.

In short: Im not really interested fixing wifi management inside paroli,
as I dont see a future of this setting.

Can you manage to get wifi working by other method? (shr settings, anything).

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Re: [SHR-U] Paroli working now

[Laszlo KREKACS]

FYI, paroli can be also run on the desktop. Just start:
cd scripts
./paroli -e fallback

So it does not want to reach freesmartphone nor want to use dbus.

You only need python-elementary installed. packages.enlightenment.org is
the right place to gather all required packages. (I got ubuntu packages there)

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Re: [SHR-U] Paroli working now

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> to get a working paroli on my SHR-U or do I need to disable some things too?

When the package will be upgraded more, there will be only one package (I hope).
IF you have a calculator app, then it is already the newest package.

Angus is working on paroli packaging, however he is really busy these days,
so there are some delays of the package update.

If you want to try out the newest thing you can always check out the git
version, and copy the folder as is to the phone, and cd into the scripts/
dir and run: ./paroli -e fso

((you need to build the gui, which is ./build.sh in the scripts dir. You have
to installed edje-utils for it))

As far as shr integration, paroli works pretty good, most urgent things
was already fixed. If you want to disable shr telephony app, you should
disable ophonekitd from starting. (ophonekitd is not part of frameworkd!,
just name coincidance)

To disable it, you want to comment all lines in:
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd

After you need to start paroli manually after each boot.
You can also create a similar file to 80ophonekitd.

I use it since 2 days now, without any serious problem.
Although the automatic suspend is broken. I need to suspend it
manually each time. (it seems ophonekitd provided this feature).

You can find out how to configure oeventsd to do it.

In om2009, I always suspended via the power button, as it was not
reliable there either. So to restoring it, you want to disable e popup window
(suspend, shutdown, etc).

To do this, go into wrench->Input ->key bindings
And delete all the two keybindigs (power button, aux button).

Then copy&paste these rules to rules.yaml:
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/138541/

Then restart frameworkd to take effect.

Im glad there are interested people in paroli, and got their hand dirty
to try it out!

Best regards,
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Re: [elementary] How to get evas object out of elementary.Window

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Denis Johnson wrote:
 win = elementary.Window("", elementary.ELM_WIN_BASIC)
 win_evas = win.evas_get()
 type(win_evas)
> 
 type(win.evas)
> 

FYI it is fixed in enlightenment svn. Morphis fixed for me. Thanks for him!

It just needs repackaging in SHR.

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Re: Interesting Linux development for lower resources machines from Con Kolivas

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Joseph Reeves wrote:
> SHR + 2.6.31 + BFS + OpenWRT drivers = win?

+KMS

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Re: Interesting Linux development for lower resources machines from Con Kolivas

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/3836404163
> One last thing.. you know the lag you get when your phone rings and it 
> doesn't display right away? Yeah thats gone now.

On a wl500 router the performance hit is 1.5 time faster;)
http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=125233663823328&w=2

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Re: opimd: a bug (?) and how to list missed calls?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Sebastian
Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> And I don't know how to send dictionaries by mdbus ;(

I dont know, just asking: Is dbus suited to pass large data through the
bus? Ie. it is not better practice, that you save to a file, and give only
the filename to the client?

Maybe it is slower. Just cant believe, that dbus is built for large
data transfer.

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Why frameworkd starts automatically playing ringtone, aka. how to debug frameworkd?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi!

It looks like frameworkd plays the ringtone file by itself.
I requested before it in the program, but always got AlreadyPlaying
exception.

I checked the rules.yaml file, but there is no rule for playing ringtone.
I also observed the dbus line using mdbus -l -s, but it does not
print out from where the signal arrived (it only indicates, that a
service received the signal).

I checked ophonekitd too, and there is also automatic ringtone
playing, and looks like it is not ophonekits who requested it.

Im a bit lost at this stage, I dont know how to debug further.
Could somebody shred a bit of light?

Best regards,
 Laszlo


mdbus:

[SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Phone.CallCreatedfrom :1.18
/org/freesmartphone/Phone
(op'/org/freesmartphone/Phone/GSM/13',)
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.CallStatusfrom :1.11
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(   1,
'incoming',
{   'direction': 'incoming',
'line': 0,
'mode': 'voice',
'peer': '+362',
'status': 'incoming'})
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.SoundStatusfrom :1.19
/org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio
('/usr/share/sounds/ringtone_ringnroll.wav', 'playing', {   })
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceChangedfrom :1.20
/org/freesmartphone/Usage
('Display', True, {   'policy': 0, 'refcount': 1})
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceChangedfrom :1.20
/org/freesmartphone/Usage
('Display', True, {   'policy': 0, 'refcount': 1})
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SignalStrengthfrom
:1.11 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(75,)
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.PowerSupply.Capacityfrom
:1.19 /org/freesmartphone/Device/PowerSupply/battery
(94,)
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.CallStatusfrom :1.11
/org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
(1, 'release', {   'status': 'release'})
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.PIM.Calls.NewCallfrom :1.13
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls
('/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls/58',)
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.PIM.Calls.NewMissedCallsfrom :1.13
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls
(22,)
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.PIM.Calls.MissedCallfrom :1.13
/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls
('/org/freesmartphone/PIM/Calls/58',)
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Phone.CallReleasedfrom :1.18
/org/freesmartphone/Phone
(op'/org/freesmartphone/Phone/GSM/13',)
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Phone.Call.Releasedfrom :1.18
/org/freesmartphone/Phone/GSM/13
()
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Device.Audio.SoundStatusfrom :1.19
/org/freesmartphone/Device/Audio
('/usr/share/sounds/ringtone_ringnroll.wav', 'stopped', {   })
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.Usage.ResourceChangedfrom :1.20
/org/freesmartphone/Usage
('Display', False, {   'policy': 0, 'refcount': 0})
 [SIGNAL]org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SignalStrengthfrom
:1.11 /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device

rules.yaml:
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ cat /etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml

# This file is in YAML format (http://www.yaml.org/)
# We define a list of rules that will be automatically loaded
# When we start the oevents module of the framework daemon
#
# The attributes of a rule are :
# - trigger : trigger object
# - filters : filters object or list of filters objects
# - actions : action object or list of actions objects
#
# We define the following functions :
# - CallStatus(): create a trigger object activated on a
call status event
# - PowerStatus()   : create a trigger object activated on a
power status event
# - HasAttr(name, value): create a filter that accept signal with
a given attribute
# - Not(filter) : create a neg filter
# - PlaySound(file) : Action that starts to play an audio file
# - StopSound(file) : Action that stop an audio file
# - SetScenario(name)   : Action that sets an audio scenario
# - StartVibration
# - StopVibration
# - RingTone(cmd)   : cmd can be 'start' or 'stop'
# - Time(hour, min) : create a trigger activated at the given time
# - Debug(msg)  : Action that prints a debug message (only
for debuging)
-
#
# Call -> Audio Scenario Handling
#
trigger: IncomingMessage()
actions: MessageTone(play)

-
while: CallListContains("incoming")
filters: Not(CallListContains("active"))
actions:
 - RingTone()
 - Command('xset -display localhost:0 s reset')
 - SetLed("gta02_aux_red", "blink")
 - OccupyResource(Display)
-
#while: CallStatus()
#filters: Or(HasAttr(status, "outgoing"), HasAttr(status, "active"))
#actions:
#- OccupyResource(CPU)
#-
#while: CallStatus()
#filters:
#- Or(Or(HasAttr(status, "outgoing"), HasAttr(status,
"active")), And(HasAttr(status, "incoming"),
CallListContains("active")))
#- Not(BTHeadsetIsConnected())
#actions:
#- SetScenario(gsmhandset)
#-
while: CallStatus()
filters:
- O

[SHR] Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi!

Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged

When will shr get rid of this annoying message? It just makes
development (on the phone)
a real PITA. Or there is already an updated dbus package which fix this issue?

If the root cause cant be fixed, at least should be dbus patched to not output
this f*cking annoying message every line.

Look at this output:
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/138295/

The real thing is burried into this dbus warning. Just slowes everybody down.

Can it be fixed?

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Re: Small improvements suggestion to intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Laszlo
KREKACS wrote:
>>  If something still goes bad try after rm -rf .intone.


Another bug: When you change back to the list view, it does not jump to the
actual playin file anymore. It tend to display the end of the list.


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Re: Small improvements suggestion to intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:43 AM, c_c wrote:
>  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3591628/intone intone
>
>  If something still goes bad try after rm -rf .intone.

I selected dir, and added successfully. When I returned to the
list view, there were still a 'to add files use Songs button' item
in the list. I clicked on the album view, and segmentation fault
happened.

I relaunched intone, and it has my directories.
However it does not display the head icon when there is no
cover art, it displays nothing, blank.

Best regards,
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Re: Om2009 Maintainer

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Angus Ainslie wrote:
> now if you want to disable the shr phone apps without removing them comment
> all of the lines out in
>
> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89notifier and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/80ophonekitd

If you comment out 80ophonekitd, there will be no sound when you
are on line. So the ringing works, but no sound either on the callee
side nor on the caller side.


However if you dont disable it, it will bring app shr's white screen with the
tiny phone number in the middle. Dunno how to disable it.

Would be nice to know how a proper calling sequence are built.
So what exactly is needed to send on the dbus.

Im really lost here.

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Re: Small improvements suggestion to intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:40 PM, c_c wrote:
>  Try this binary.  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3586458/intone intone

I also tried to debug with gdb, but without success:


r...@om-gta02 /usr/bin $ gdb intone
GNU gdb 6.8
Copyright (C) 2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later 
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type "show copying"
and "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi"...
(gdb) run
Starting program: /usr/bin/intone
db ver 63
[1] + Stopped (tty output)   gdb intone
r...@om-gta02 /usr/bin $ fg
gdb intone
[New LWP 2479]
[New LWP 2465]

Program received signal SIGTTOU, Stopped (tty output).
0x40a92ef0 in waitpid () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) cont
Continuing.

Program received signal SIGTTOU, Stopped (tty output).
[Switching to LWP 2479]
0x40a92ef0 in waitpid () from /lib/libc.so.6
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Re: Small improvements suggestion to intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:40 PM, c_c wrote:
>  Try this binary.  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3586458/intone intone

With that binary the result:

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ kill 2285
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ kill 2286
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ps aux |grep intone
root  2296  0.0  0.6   3268   816 pts/4S+   19:45   0:00 grep intone
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ rm -rf .intone/
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ intone
16 SQL error: unable to open database file
Creating new db file
16.5 SQL error: 1 not an error
db ver 63
2315: old priority 0, new priority 0
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Segmentation fault
r...@om-gta02 ~ $

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Re: Small improvements suggestion to intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

>  Can you check if there is no intone / mplayer process hung in the
> background? That could lock up the db.
>  Then rm -rf .intone and run intone.

I will also reboot the phone. But there is no intone for sure.

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ps aux|grep  intone
root  2223  1.0  1.6  15668  2044 pts/4S19:42   0:00
mplayer -idle -quiet -slave -msglevel global=6 -input
file=/tmp/intone-mplayer
root  2234  0.0  0.6   3268   816 pts/4S+   19:43   0:00 grep intone
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ kill 2223
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ps aux|grep  intone
root  2238  0.0  0.6   3268   816 pts/4S+   19:43   0:00 grep intone
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ ps aux|grep  intone
root  2240  0.0  0.6   3268   816 pts/4S+   19:43   0:00 grep intone
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ rm -rf .intone
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ intone
16 SQL error: unable to open database file
Creating new db file
16.5 SQL error: 1 not an error
db ver 63
2256: old priority 0, new priority 0
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Segmentation fault
r...@om-gta02 ~ $

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Re: Small improvements suggestion to intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 5:14 PM, c_c wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  In the song list, switch between filename and Song Title is done. Here's
> the binary.  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3585909/intone intone
>  Do you need other options too for the list?
>

1. I removed the dir which was listed. Then I added a dir containing
only 3 files. It began scanning, but crashed after.
2. I removed the .intone directory and tried to relaunch intone, it
coredumps since

Logs:
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ intone
db ver 62
1792: old priority 0, new priority 0
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
18 SQL error: no such table:
19 SQL error: no such table:
Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x269)!
*** glibc detected *** intone: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0020d548 ***
Aborted
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ rm -rf .intone/
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ intone
16 SQL error: unable to open database file
Creating new db file
16.5 SQL error: 1 not an error
db ver 63
Killed
1827: old priority 0, new priority 0
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Segmentation fault
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ intone
db ver 63
Killed
1846: old priority 0, new priority 0
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Using **pending_return in dbus_connection_send_with_reply_setup()
without pending_setup is deprecated and strongly discouraged
Segmentation fault
r...@om-gta02 ~ $ intone

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Re: Small improvements suggestion to intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:12 PM, c_c wrote:
>
> Hi,
>  Ok, the song directories list is done. Code committed to svn. Here's a
> binary.  http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3585318/intone intone

Thx, testing 


> Laszlo KREKACS wrote:
>  Then, maybe it would be better if it was done as a an external script that
> I could call from Intone? Same for the cover art and lyrics fetching.

I envision an FSO daemon for it. I would execute simple script
file from directories. Where each directory would correspond an event.
Directories:
timeout/
gprs/
usb/
wifi/


So we could put our script in usb (for usb net) and in wifi.
And we would simply write in our script, that delete the other
script from usb dir (if our script is executed in wifi dir).

The timeout script would simply correspond to
'launch this program at 16:00', and we could simply
implement a alarm application;). Than in the script would
simply launch fso-alarm through dbus.;)))

It would be dead simple and robust implementation.
No need extra voodoo, only put the right dir your program.


Best regards,
 Laszlo

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Re: intone and symlinks

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Laszlo
KREKACS wrote:
>> PS: Here's the intone binary for the impatient. (not ipk - just the
>> /usr/bin/intone binary)
>
> Thanks, I will report asap.
>

IT works great. The image are beautiful.
However I need to test with smaller and bigger images too.
(if it gets expanded or shrinked).

Will report it, when I tested. But currently it is beautiful.

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Re: [shr-unstable] Does mount nfs filesystem works

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Laszlo
KREKACS wrote:
>> IT works like a charm under om2009.

With the help of blindcoder at #openmoko-cdevel channel, it turned out,
that I need to install portmap software to be able to use nfs mounting.

Sadly portmap is not available on shr. He was kind enough, and builded
for me one:
wget http://pallas.crash-override.net/~blindcoder/portmap_6.0-r3_armv4t.ipk
opkg install portmap_6.0-r3_armv4t.ipk
/etc/init.d/portmap restart

And after it works like a charm.

There is an error message though when starting the portmap daemon:

r...@om-gta02 ~ $ /etc/init.d/portmap restart
/etc/init.d/portmap: line 47: pmap_dump: not found
Stopping portmap daemon: portmap.
Starting portmap daemon: portmap.
/etc/init.d/portmap: line 47: pmap_set: not found
r...@om-gta02 ~ $

According to blindcoder they should only be run when
 /var/run/portmap.upgrade-state exists, which doesn't exists on Fr.


Could some shr people include this package in shr?

Best regards,
 Laszlo

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Re: [FSO] how to get info from odeviced audio interface?

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Michael 'Mickey'
Lauer wrote:
> This has now been fixed. Sample output:

Thank you!

Laszlo

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Re: Small improvements suggestion to intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, c_c wrote:
>  For simple Karaoke effect, one of the channels is inverted, both channels
> are mixed and sound is played back mono. This is going to require intone to
> move to playing the songs itself (decoding and sending sound to alsa pcm).
> Also, I'm not sure if the FR can handle this much in realtime. Same goes for
> other DSP effects. I'm going to need some pointers here from DSP guru's.
> I've just about managed to get a guitar tuner going on the FR - and its slow
> - but usable.

No need to be real time. We could generate them
(ie converting music, please wait...), and play them as simple music files.

It is not often used, just for fun, so no problem if it has its cost.

>> By the way c_c, do you also need this layer manipulating
>> demo program?
>>
>  Frankly, i haven't gotten around to it.

Ok, I will cook up a demo program for it.


>  Keep the ideas coming. It just takes one interested person to get nice
> ideas into a program. Thanks.

Ideas are only coming if you *use* the app, and see what could be different.
If you dont use it, no useful ideas are turning out;)

 Best regards,
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Re: [SHR-Unstable] swapon: swapfile has holes

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Matthias
Huber wrote:
> afaik, it is much faster than file.

Benchmark it!;)
I think glamo is enough bottleneck to make all the two the same slowiness...

But just guessing.

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Small improvements suggestion to intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi c_c!

Here is my list, what I would like to see to be improved in intone:


1. In the song list, switch between
filename/Artist/Song Title/Album view

Because there are cases were filename is preferred over
title, for example for precompiled hits, where the order
is seen in the filename. Example:
001 - Bob Dylan - Like A Rolling Stone.mp3
002 - Rolling Stones - (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction.mp3
003 - John Lennon - Imagine.mp3

2. Different ordering possibility, aka. improve the shuffle button

The current play in order or play random should be improved:
I never liked the random function, because you can predict
what will be the next song:
http://xkcd.com/221/

I would prefer a list manipulating button. Where you click on
the button five different possibility button would appear:
* Order by filename (as it does currently)
* Order by album
* Order by Artist
* Order by Title
* Shuffle the list
* Party mode

The Shuffle the list possibility would replace the current random
button. It randomly reorder the list, but you can  see what
will be the next one. I think its superior solution.

Party mode:
You can interactively reorder the list. Like people come to
you at a party, please put XY as the next song,
please put a slow music next, etc, etc.
Dunno how to solve interactivity in elementary, ie.
drag and drop the list elements. Its not *that* important feature.

3. Improve the play once the list, play all button.
A third state would be also useful:
* play the list once
* play infinity
* play only the next song, and stop OR
play one song infinitely

So would be a three state button. Dunno if its really useful,
and so which one. Others?
(implement last;)

4. When adding new songs dir, should be a list view,
where it lists all added dir, and could also remove add to it.
(I already suggested it)

5. Implement minimal lyrics editor (MOST IMPORTANT;)))
(I already suggested)

Mark bold the current line, and a button, when
the music is there I push the button,
and it saves the time when it should jump to this line.

It would be also really usefull as it could autoscroll the
list. Currently I always need manually scroll the lyrics, and
it has a drawback: if I dont follow the music, I need to
search where the singer is. With autoscroll feature, I
could always look at the view, and it would mark the current
line for me. Timing is not an issue here, +- 1-4 sec has no
importance.

6. Implement in the lyrics view zoom in and zoom out button

I would consider this pretty important also. Not everybody
has a good eyesight, and the text are small enough in the
lyrics view. But my primary reason not this for suggestion.

I select words in the lyrics, what i dont know for later
look up in dictionary (read my recent mail with title
'My new possession'). The current text is small enough,
that selecting is really difficult. I would like to zoom in when
I want to select the texts.
With autoscrolling zoomed in would pose no problem, as
it would always scrolling for me, so no need to see
11 lines all at once.

The zoom in, zoom out buttons would fit nicely in lyrics
view next to the current Artist name/Song title text.
Zoomin on the right side, zoom out on the left side of the
text.
You could also hide those buttons, when switching back to
cover view, list view. And no need to manipulate layers,
as other views dont use this space at all.

7. Future idea: Implement effects for the music.
I already suggested karaoke effect. Others said,
the implementation is rather simple, you mix the
left and right channel in the way it lowers the singer
voice.


By the way c_c, do you also need this layer manipulating
demo program? HAve you difficulties implementing it?

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 Laszlo

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Re: [SHR-Unstable] swapon: swapfile has holes

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Matthias
Huber wrote:
> *** but if you are formatting the card, you can make a real swap
> _partition_ also.

I prefer the file over partition, because you can make bigger or shrink
whenever you want. And giving a separate partition is just a luxury, when
you can only create four (above that serious tweaking is necessary).


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Re: Broken FR for sale

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:54 PM, The Digital
Pioneer wrote:
> I have?

Just the top of my head. Recently you made some useful
remarks regarding to bluetooth headset usage. I think you was the first who
used bluetooth headset seriously...

If you have enough the freerunner. Just buy the cheapest phone for 10$.
I expect you to return in a month or so. Seriously this highly costumizable
phone is addictive!

I think in a month freerunner will be in a very good shape.
I expect KMS (for video), improved wifi, improved gprs, improved everything.
I even want to have paroli a bit better shape running on shr.

Regarding to what for is usable the freerunner:
If you have an arduino, the possibility is endless.
The most useful would be steal preventing in your car,
ie you could track your card when stolen via sms.

The second useful thing would be home automation.

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 Laszlo

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Re: [shr-unstable] Does mount nfs filesystem works

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Laszlo
KREKACS wrote:
> Finally I could find my old uSD card, and restored om2009.
> IT works like a charm under om2009.

We are talking about a command like this:

 mount -t nfs 192.168.0.200:/home/lama/Asztal/down/openmoko/paroli
/usr/share/nfs-paroli/

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Re: My new possession: Lyrics and vocabulary learning with intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:43 AM, c_c wrote:
>  Now for some (of the many ;-) python coders on these ML's to show some
> love! Frankly, my python is quite bad - but if no one else does this I will.

If nobody else will step up, I can do it for some new features in
intone in exchange;))
I have many small improvements suggestion;)

Lets wait a week...

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Re: [shr-unstable] Does mount nfs filesystem works

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:38 AM, Marc Bantle wrote:
>> Can anybody confirm if nfs mount or not on freerunner?

Finally I could find my old uSD card, and restored om2009.
IT works like a charm under om2009.

>
> Works here using mount from BusyBox V1.13.2
> package and kernel/modules 2.6.29-oe11+gitr119839.
>
> Some months ago I had similar problems with mount
> binary from util-linux package IIRC.

I installed util-linux package, but still mount -t nfs timeouts
when I want to mount...


> Cheers,
> Marc

Thx for your comment,
 Laszlo

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[shr-unstable] Does mount nfs filesystem works

[Laszlo KREKACS]

Hi!

Is there anybody who uses nfs mount in freerunner?
I used to mount my laptop's dir on freerunner as
described here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-developer-setup#Link_filesystem_of_the_freerunner_to_your_computer_with_NFS

Now mount -t nfs just hangs on the freerunner using
shr unstable. However I do not know, if it is really
shr's problem, as I touched quit a bit my networking
setup these days.

Can anybody confirm if nfs mount or not on freerunner?

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Re: [SHR-U] Paroli misses tichy

[Laszlo KREKACS]

I miss paroli;)

Looking at the paroli package, the tichy directory is not copied over.

Do you know where can I find the .bb recipe for paroli and
paroli-calculator?
All the two needs fixing. Also would be nice to compare wiht om2009's
.bb recipe.

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Re: My new possession: Lyrics and vocabulary learning with intone

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Laszlo
KREKACS wrote:
> I thought I share my newest hobby using the Freerunner.
> I downloaded lyrics to my musics automatically[1]

I also searched for a solution how to download cover art
automatically from the web.

In the exaile music player in plugins/amazoncovers directory
there  is a good and simple downloader written in python.

It autodownloads covers from amazon.com. I think with a
work like 2-3 hours, it could be adapted to our
needs.

Anybody brave enough to try?

Laszlo

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Re: Broken FR for sale

[Laszlo KREKACS]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:45 PM, The Digital
Pioneer wrote:
> Well, I'm not really planning to buy another one. I enjoyed playing with it
> while I had it, but now I really just want something that works, works well,
> and keeps working. :(
>

Thats rather sad. You have made some very useful contributions

Laszlo

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