on a screen which all have dedicated geometry and you
want to save state when switching between these desktops. I don't
think this will be of much use on a phone since we run applications
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OpenMoko team had to choose their base toolkit.
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only talks to it via AT commands (probably wrapped by gsmlib and
Harald's line discipline).
Okay, so all the GSM stuff is done in ROM?
Yes.
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My health permitting (I have a hell of a stomach flu at the moment),
I'll be in Berlin for the 23c3, if anyone of you want to meet Harald
and me for an OpenMoko Q/A and brainstorming session, I'm all ears.
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. If it would be easy, it would've been
done since long.
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of the office.
Mr. friendly list admin, could you please do that for him to prevent flooding
the
list with more of that stuff?
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of presized and
-positioned windows.
OpenMoko doesn't support windowing, all applications open full-screen,
and by our task-manager you have a means to quickly switch between
those.
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Koen Kooi wrote:
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Ole Tange wrote:
When the desktop is only 640x480 it would be handy to easily change
between multiple desktops.
I'm not sure what this would be useful for. In the desktop world,
virtual
an
infoprint. What do you think?
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goes as planned,
I'll hang around there as well, btw.
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transceiver into the next phone would enable the Neo to be a perfect
home automation control device. I like it!
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Robert Michel wrote:
I need some help - it is realy a pitty that Sean
will not speach on a stage at the FOSDEM 2007
Are you sure? :)
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Cheers Robert,
I will be patient and will see if OpenMoko will find a way to be on
this list:
http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/days
I recommend watching this instead:
http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devroom/embedded
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Marc Verwerft wrote:
The chip in the Neo1973 is a Global Locate AGPS. Anybody know what type?
Hammerhead maybe?
I think Sean already confirmed that it is indeed the Hammerhead
chipset.
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Marcel de Jong wrote:
On 1/26/07, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcel de Jong wrote:
Hello all,
I was wondering. I'm not a developer, at least not by profession; I do
have a degree in it but my coding skills are very rusty, I'm a
software tester (TMAP, but not yet
release.
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, I find most cellphone ringtones absolutely
dismal. I'm sure we can do better.
I agree. Great idea!
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Heya,
I think many users could live with popups,
but I would like to choose a solution that
would not nag me with full or havesize popups
Do you have a viable alternative (except full undo/redo capabilities,
which would be desirable, but takes a whole lot of memory and/or
disk)?
Let's
Steven Milburn wrote:
I tend to be of the mentality that the phone is for my convenience,
not others. Therefore, I like the ideas being suggested that
incoming calls/text messages/emails/etc are indicated by a simple,
polite icon on a status bar somewhere flashing for my attention.
If
I also never realized that FIC is not just some little startup
That makes it a lot more likely that they will still be around for V2 to get
released, and for V1 to actually work.
I'm kind of surprised that FIC means so little to a lot of people I'm
talking. FIC was well-known to be a
Richard Bennett wrote:
Busy doing night time coding to get our phone ready?
That's the spirit! ;o)
Hehe, not quite, sorry. Actually I just came back from a concert and I need
some time
getting into sleep-mode ;)
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Harald Welte wrote:
I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list
but
didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware.
AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and
inside the touchscreen)
This is true, no LED.
Hi Florent,
please send text-only E-Mail to this list.
- how hard will it be possible to port maemo apps to OpenMoko (if possible)?
This question is two-fold -- it has a build level and an UI level.
Build level: You would need to change the Maemo specific application and widget
classes to
Hi,
Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
What I would like to write:
-Graphically cool looking programs like video ringtones that have
some kind of really cool animation that plays when you get a call.
video ringtones are not programs - they are just video
animations. You can do them in
Guys, please don't make a long thread out of it. Since Daniel knew
about our 200% load, Daniel wanted to surprise us with OpenMoko T-Shirts
for FOSDEM, that's why he went forward and created them. He explicitly
asked for the permission to use the logos and we agreed.
I hope we (as in OpenMoko)
Paul Bonser wrote:
On 2/13/07, Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If somebody wanted to do an OpenGL ES implementation for it, that
would probably also be good, though at 233Mhz, it's not going to have
much power spare for rendering, and plus, the SDL port would be much
more
Alan Ide wrote:
Anyhow, I have decided to try some testing using SDL on this
platform, but obviously the Neo1973 dosnt have any keyboard or mouse
input, only touch screen (which I love BTW). So, how does one go
about catching touch input to use inside of a program? I assume its
handled like
Koen Kooi wrote:
A little OT, but under what circumstances would a developer require a
debug board?
A debug board would have 2 main uses for me:
1) a serial console so you can debug problems with X or initscripts
2) access to jtag so you fix the bootloader if something went wrong with uboot
Harald Welte wrote:
On Mon, Feb 19, 2007 at 11:47:23PM +1100, Mark Chandler wrote:
Would it be possible to keep the Neo's internal clock accurate using
time stamps from GPS information?
yes.
That is only during GPS being powered up, of course. We probably don't
want it to be powered
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From the idea page came me to mind To-Do list. One may say it is
simple, but I want to do quite powerful one and I think I will
came to troubles with OpenMoko libs. So part of work would have
to be bugfixing/adding features to OpenMoko
Hi,
there are only 4 (four) project applications until now, which is kind of
surprising, given the huge amount of ideas that were floating both on
the mailing lists and on the wiki.
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Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 20 marca 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer napisał:
there are only 4 (four) project applications until now, which is kind
of surprising, given the huge amount of ideas that were floating both
on the mailing lists and on the wiki.
Keep in mind people
Jon Phillips wrote:
Heya Mickey, on the official openmoko side, how many students is
openmoko shooting for and how many qualified mentors are there? Not that
I have an official in at google, I'm just curious?
Right now we are 4 mentors and we aim for 8 projects, provided
a) we get so many
Just curious, but what are the qualification for being a mentor? Are
they going to be official FIC/OpenMoko employees or phase-0 devs or
whoever volunteers?
In principle anyone who volunteers, however it should be a seasoned
developer familiar with both the technical side (i.e. I expect that
PyGTK looks like the most likely contender to me -- not just because I
wrote a book about it and I'm the author of almost everything
Python-related in OE, but also because PyGTK is pretty mature and
easy to extend (you probably have seen Zecke's work in wrapping the Moko
classes did you?).
The
Casey Borders wrote:
What would be the feasibility of loading the OpenMoko operating system on to
another smart phone, like, say the Nokia n95.
Well, one of the reasons for OpenMoko is that it is _very_ hard to bring the
Linux operating system to closed hardware, i.e. without vendor support.
Nicolas Bougues wrote:
On Thursday 10 May 2007 09:15:08 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
In short, if the hardware is open enough to get Linux running with all
peripherals supported, then the upper layers are no problem (except minor
touches to accomodate for display resolution, different GSM
Florent THIERY wrote:
My guess is that the primary application of that chip will be audio/video
reproduction, and perhaps some blitting improvements, the 3D part is just
bonus/eyecandy material.
I do not agree with you: the neo currently struggles with 2D drawing;
a real (understand: usable)
The new .COM site is up! http://www.openmoko.com
Well spotted... and quick, too! :)
Unfortunately, the store is closed. Hopefully it will open soon.
Team is still working on the site, please don't hammer.
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Omar BELKHODJA wrote:
Thanks Mickey !
No problem. Sorry it took so long, but recently I have been
concentrating on OpenMoko recipes in org.openembedded.dev.
Official Announcement will follow hopefully within the next 7 days.
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Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
When compiling busybox (from memory need to check) cc1 started eating 900M
and soon my system was no longer useable.
Busybox is a defconfig type buildsystem. Let me guess... it hangs
during task do_configure, right? If so, the please launch a build and
kill it
The classes you mention belong to OM-2007.1 which won't receive any
more development. OM-2007.2 so far only features one class on
top of Gtk+, the MokoFingerScroll. It's derived from GtkScrolledWindow
and should be drop-in substitute.
Full doxygen-based API documents -- also for the classes that
Giles Jones wrote:
Having tried 2007.2 it's a great improvement and moves the phone a
long way into looking like a product.
Thanks, we still see a long way before us, but we're moving! :)
I have some usability improvement suggestions that I will propose at some
point.
Excellent. Please do
Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Does anyone see this problem too? my host os is ubuntu 7.04
(feisty) on x86_64.
Our buildhost is x86_64, I have to use a custom uname (returning i686)
and BUILD_ARCH = i686 in local.conf to make it build
openmoko-devel-image.
Mickeyl - you are cheater when it
Sorry about that. I'm just fixing uicmoc4 to build against
Qt/Embedded, hence removing the dependency on X.
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Jimmy McMillan wrote:
I'm having the same problem. Could you please explain what you did
exactly to fix it.
Like i said, building uicmoc4 out of Qt/Embedded, which doesn't need
X. uic and moc are Qt tools, you can build them against Qt/X11 or
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Mikko J Rauhala wrote:
Have I missed something by the way and has gllin for GTA01, OpenMoko
2007.2 been released yet? Since we have a Broadcom guy here, Ken, you
know what the deal is with that?
I'm working on providing an EABI toolchain to Ken, so that we can get
a corresponding gllin binary.
Giles Jones wrote:
Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
So are you claiming the open source drivers that we are writing are not
open source, merely by the fact that we are writing them? Using this
argument, the entire openmoko software stack would not be open source,
because we are
Harald Welte wrote:
So please exercise patience. When we started selling phase1, I made an
internal comment that I don't think the software stack will mature a lot
during the first 2-3 months after the hardware release. Compared to
that, there was actually quite a lot of progress, mainly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...meaningful comments...]
Thanks! I couldn't agree more. I want to stay out of this thread, but
if I were to comment, I couldn't have said it better than you.
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Congrats,
which MACHINE is that? We need to adjust the DPI setting for your
PalmTX in the Xserver script.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
does anyone happen to know if the debug board of the advanced Neo
kit will be compatible with future versions of the Neo (or other FIC OpenMoko
phones, at that)?
It will definitely be compatible w/ GTA02. As for the successor
models, we can't make a definitive answer
Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote:
Hello,
On Nov 16, 2007 11:55 PM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Out of interest: how does one 'uncompress' a *.jffs file?
mount it, copy the contents out.
I'm on Ubuntu 7.10 (i386).
What do I need in addition to the loop module:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~#
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On Nov 18, 2007 4:20 PM, Olaf Lüke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, yes you do ;-). Since the second version of the GUI you can
close applications with pressing the power button shortly. If you press
IMO that's a very strange, and very unintuitive way to close
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
Maybe this is old news but it's the first time I've ever been able to
get bitbake to complete successfully and end up with complete working
images for the kernel and rootfs. The build machine is a dual-core
Athlon 64, which was also a challenge... some bugs must have
Tilman Baumann wrote:
But i find both Buttons on the phone very cumbersome. Because they are
so small and embeded in the case.
But this is a conpletely different story...
*g*
Yes, the buttons are a nightmare. Sorry about that, but we inherited
the design. This will be fixed with a
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On Nov 29, 2007 1:25 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks to a tremendous amount of hard work by many people, we have ready
a release of gllin, the GPS drives. Here is how you can get it:
This is really great news! Thanks to everyone who helped to make it
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On Nov 29, 2007 5:18 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I could release that, but be aware that it doesn't work.
(otherwise we would never had to release the wrapper-oabi one).
If you're into low-level debugging arbitrary binaries, you could help
Peter Rasmussen wrote:
I didn't get very far with a SIM card in my GTA01, because the PIN I
enter isn't accepted, even though it is correct.
This sounds like
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1028
Could you please try to
a) submit the PIN once
b) press cancel for
Peter Rasmussen wrote:
I checked out bug #1028, and yes, even with the limited info there, it
seems to be the same.
Thanks for confirming!
A couple of seconds later you should see a popup with your mobile
service provider appearing.
I could then make phone calls, but it seemed that when the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too.
But I can't connect to the internet: when I use ipkg update or the web
browser, nothing...
If you can ping, then the only thing missing is to adjust
/etc/resolv.conf on the phone.
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Chaohong Xie wrote:
Hi all,
I'm not sure whether these are the proper mail loops to ask about build
problems. If not, please tell me one.
Anyway, when try to build the openmoko-devel-image (openmoko 2007.2 version)
according to
devices yet. Please see
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1003
which I will commit soon.
In the meantime, I'm afraid you need to remove and reinsert the
battery to make sure all peripheral devices are powered off.
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scroll is one of my favorite parts!
Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course, it's
scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may
come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/
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these initiatives. This is
the open source way :)
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Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
Subject: Re[2]: New to OpenMoko
Date: Thu 17 Jan 08 01:11:13PM +0100
Quoting Michael 'Mickey' Lauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
No, openmoko uses GTK.
Yes, the current incarnation. There are various interest groups
working on different and higher level
since years
now. So... please don't hold your breath :D
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and fic-gta02 either carry
neo1973 or no identifier -- both indicates that they're not machine
specific.
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On Wednesday 30 January 2008 18:53:58 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Not required IMHO...
1. Alternate distros or projects usually have their own discussion
lists (e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED])
2. QuantumSTEP uses many parts of OpenMoko and just replaces some
parts. See it as an alternate
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On Saturday 16 February 2008 04:21:53 Christopher Earl wrote:
I bought a PS3 wireless keyboard, this BTKB has a mouse pad and buttons,
its a full qwerty keyboard. This Works Great with the GTA01, the mouse pad
even works, only issue is that it has a timeout that causes moko to
disconnect ,
On Wednesday 20 February 2008 20:06:09 M Nader wrote:
Hi,
Is there a way to force shutdown (like holding the power key for 5+
sec) in GTA01 devices rather than removing the battery? If not will we
have that in version 2?.
This used to work by holding the power key. Unfortunately it is broken.
On Wednesday 27 February 2008 11:36:40 Emre Turkay wrote:
Hi folks,
I see there are two 60Mb partitions on the device, one is mounted to the
/var/volatile. 60 MBs seems so small for the root filesystem and I'm
already having trouble. Is it really necessary to divide them? And what can
I do
FYI: The annual open source yearbook (due for release in 2 days) contains an
article about OpenMoko written by me. All of you insiders might not learn
something new, but it should be a good read anyways ;)
You can order it @ http://www.opensourcejahrbuch.de -- eventually it'll be
downloadable
Hi guys,
I have thought a bit about multitouch and its possible usecases and the longer
I think about it the less exciting I find it on a mobile phone.
The technology per se is great and I'm sure it will allow for great innovation
among UI's on large monitors, tablets, and even desks.
On Tuesday 04 March 2008 22:38:52 Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Kyle Bassett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am still debating lending the phone out to those who want to play with
it, depending on the interest of the community, we'll see where it goes.
Sounds like Mickey
Hi folks,
OpenMoko Inc. will apply for Google SoC 2008.
For a successfull application, we need to have a comprehensive list of ideas.
A first scratch at that is @
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008 -- please help us adding to
that.
Some rough guidelines:
* Please add only
Hi guys,
as you may have already noticed, Openmoko Inc. has been accepted
as a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code 2008.
According to the timeline, the student application period begins Monday,
March 24, 2008, and ends Monday, March 31st. Please prepare to apply as
soon as
Hi Patryk,
basically the idea is that you come up with something you'd like to work on
during this summer of code. The list on the wiki is just something we think
would be interesting, by no means complete.
So the first step is try to come up with a proposal (you may want to see the
Am Dienstag, den 01.04.2008, 22:07 +0800 schrieb Alex Zhang:
That is the point where a good build system comes into play.
OpenEmbedded handles this for us. I hope you don't build all the stuff
for your device by hand.
Yes, I did it by hand, because my device is based on MIPS. I
Am Donnerstag, den 03.04.2008, 09:57 +0100 schrieb Andy Green:
We can wake up from one of the accelerometers and not the other -- which
is likely okay for real use -- but there is no driver support or API to
enable or disable it yet. I guess it can just expose something in /sys.
Agreed. Can
Am Donnerstag, den 03.04.2008, 09:57 +0100 schrieb Andy Green:
Sounds good. I am curious about what happens if you take that app for a
ride in your car. What does it show after you accelerated to cruising
speed and just go constantly along with it sat on the passenger seat?
If it stops to
It seems to me there is basically one number you can set, and then you
can decide if X, Y and/or Z go above or below that number makes an
interrupt. It looks like this number is absolute, ie, if you set it to
5 then going above or below 5 x 18mG in + or - will trigger it.
So you can almost
| So you can almost get what you are looking for, just that there is only
| one number allowed.
|
| Excellent! When do you have time to give that a go? :)
Right now... to be clear we talk about wake CPU from suspend with this?
100%, yeah.
Also is
On Friday 11 April 2008 03:12:45 Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
It occurred to me as I was thinking about use cases that a setting in
which the phone would be on vibrate while vertical (as in clipped to
my belt) and ring when horizontal (as in lying on a table) would suit
my typical use about 99% of the
On Saturday 12 April 2008 18:46:16 Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
Next significant iteration of Freerunner
should include light sensor.
Actually I have yet to see a device where a light sensor does not get in the
way and eventually annoying a lot. This seems very hard to get right (both on
the older
On Wednesday 16 April 2008 20:20:44 Peter Abplanalp wrote:
with the release of the freerunner coming up, i'm wondering about the
roadmap and future for openmoko and additional phones. i'm an advanced
linux user but have no experience with openmoko or the cell phone platform
and thus i'm
On Wednesday 16 April 2008 20:53:13 Steven ** wrote:
I think you've got that a little backwards. You should be asking the
Qtopia people if they plan to support the Freerunner. I'm pretty
certain their answer will be yes, since it already works for GTA01 and
probably isn't too much effort to
On Saturday 19 April 2008 01:26:59 Kiro Zimmer wrote:
resulting from the question how the home zome functionality works, now
is clear that all newer phones use the SIM toolkit (STK) to display the
house on the phone. It seems to me, the AT+CRSM command was never the
official way to get these
On Saturday 19 April 2008 20:00:16 Hans L wrote:
I've been reading a book lately called Getting Things Done(henceforth
abbreviated as GTD) which basically proposes a strategy for
organizing/managing your work and life to be more productive with less
stress. Instead of me attempting to explain
Well, no matter whether it's dying out or not; while I tend to agree that it
actually is; I'm also sure it will still be ubiquitous for probably the
better part of another decade.
Plenty of time and market share available to manufacture and sell people the
best open GSM phones :)
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On Monday 21 April 2008 17:45:06 steve wrote:
I want a software switch that says unLEDed so I can turn blinking lights
off on any app if I so choose.
Agreed.
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On Wednesday 23 April 2008 23:20:02 Stefan Misch wrote:
But the second could be handled by an answering machine right on the phone.
The calling person will be charged anyway. The message would be something
along the lines: I'm sorry, but I can't take your call right now. Please
leave a
On Monday 28 April 2008 09:37:14 robin paulson wrote:
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:58:17 +0700 Alexander Frøyseth
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Hey all
I just wonder if the Neo will have a hold switch.
A switch that locks the screen.
no. it has 2
Fwiw, I agree with most community reviews that the table contrast is a bit too
high now.
:M:
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This is all good and well, however there's one inherently problematic issue to
consider here. Continuous integration is very good and very possible (and we
need and will to use it to improve quality), however where it really shines
is, when the complete stack is under your control.
On Wednesday 21 May 2008 12:04:40 Samuel Melrose wrote:
Sorry to stick my nose in on this, especially if I'm missing something.
But do you guys have anything decided about this, and what it is all
going to be stored on? May I suggest using SQLite for the data
storage? It is very lightweight,
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