Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Michael Shiloh]

Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:33:31PM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>> Problem at Display->Profile: can't get back to illume, illume, paroli
>> or paroli-illume all look exactly the same
> 
> Mirko told me all you need is to reboot (first boot problems ... I really
> can't understand that) for it to work.


I added this to the wiki under known problems. Please check and correct 
if I've misunderstood.

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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Michael Shiloh]

Angus Ainslie wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> As I think we've fixed more things than we broke it's time for another 
> testing 
> release.

You've only updated the rootfs, right? So no changes in the wifi driver?

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Re: Om2009 testing release 4

[Michael Shiloh]

Congratulations! I'm downloading right now and will report back.

I'm very impressed with the rate of revisions.

Michael Shiloh



Angus Ainslie wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> As I think we've fixed more things than we broke it's time for another 
> testing 
> release. As usual there are additional instructions here.
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009
> 
> There is also a new page for community involvement. Many of these wishlist 
> items need someone to implement them. If you are interested in in owning one 
> of the wishlist items come and join #paroli or send me an email
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active
> 
> Don't bother trying to do an opkg update opkg upgrade to do the upgrade. 
> Chances are you won't get the dependencies right ( I know I didn't ). If you 
> want to preserve your settings use the bind-home method and flash the full 
> image.
> 
> New in feeds
> 
> callrec
> claws-mail
> dictator
> dillo
> midori
> mokomaze
> omnewrotate
> pyring
> sms-sentry
> webkit-efl
> 
> New features
> 
> Improved call handling - should limit races in oeventsd
> Better list handling
> More consistent interface
> New paroli-illume theme
>   - only change so far is to remove desktop switcher
>   - wanted volunteer to change analog clock to digital
>   - wanted different colour scheme ( maybe white on black to
>   match the rest of paroli ? )
> Static MAC addresses for usb devices 
>   - usb networking will now show up as ethx on the host side please check 
> dmesg 
>   on the host side
> Ability to cut 30 seconds off boot time
>   - DO NOT use this if you use bind-home
>   - install udev-static-devices to get this speed boost
>   - any solutions on using bind-home and static-devices appreciated
> Keyboard goes away after use 
> Updated /etc/network/interfaces to give USB0 a metric
> Added readahead to busybox to test speed increase
> 
> Known issues
> 
> Some oeventsd rules are ignored  ( framework oeventsd problems )
>   - don't suspend while plugged in  
> http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/381
>   - suspend fails after a call http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/435
> 
> Bugs fixed
> 
> 1 pixel wide illume exit menu
> UTF chars in SMS's 
>   - you must still install a keyboard to be able to write different 
> character
>   sets.
> Keyboard collapses after use
> 
> Angus
> 
> 
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shr (both testing and unstable): Error loading module (connman)

[Michael Shiloh]

Booting either version of shr today gives me:


There was an error loading module named:
d connman/linux-gnueabi-arm-ver-pre-01/mod
  modules search directories

I don't see anything under known issues on the wiki regarding shr.

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Re: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros?

[Michael Shiloh]

Nelson Castillo wrote:
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Michael Shiloh  wrote:
>> Nelson Castillo wrote:
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Shiloh 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to
>>>> find
>>>> Qi.
>>> That is what I understood.
>>>
>>>> Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to
>>>> point at your directory?
>>> Not yet, let me coordinate first please. I'll update this thread soon.
> 
> I just got the reply. The auto-builder puts Qi here:
> 
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/
> 
> Right now the latest is:
> 
> http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/experimental/NeoFreerunner/qi-s3c2442-1.0.2+gitr237+c2a6b7ab3df7c1b68d47769f6e35733be1eaab58.udfu
> 
> I think we should use this URI. "Never send a human to do a machine's job.".
> 

Thanks for doing the research. Care to update the wiki? It's late here 
in CA and I'm ready to call it a day.

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Re: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros?

[Michael Shiloh]

Nelson Castillo wrote:
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Shiloh  wrote:
>> I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to find
>> Qi.
> 
> That is what I understood.
> 
>> Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to
>> point at your directory?
> 
> Not yet, let me coordinate first please. I'll update this thread soon.
> 


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Re: where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros?

[Michael Shiloh]

I'm not looking for Qi, but I'm asking where should we tell people to 
find Qi.

Will it always be there? Should I change both references on the wiki to 
point at your directory?


Nelson Castillo wrote:
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Michael Shiloh  wrote:
>> 1) Where is qi?
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Installation says
>>
>>http://people.openmoko.org/andy/
>>
>> but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 says
>>
>>http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/
>>
>> which is right? Tell me and I'll correct the wiki.
> 
> Hello Michael, thanks for your concern.
> 
> I just put the latest Qi in this URI.
> 
> http://people.openmoko.org/arhuaco/qi/latest/
> 
> I think distributors will pick the revision they feel comfortable with
> and it does not have to be the latest.
> 
> If the latest Qi can be built automatically with existing
> infrastructure it will be better. I'll ask Angus and send an update as
> a reply to this email.
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where to get qi from? wiki has conflicting information. and, why is 2009 not listed in distros?

[Michael Shiloh]

1) Where is qi?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi#Installation says

http://people.openmoko.org/andy/

but http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 says

http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/

which is right? Tell me and I'll correct the wiki.



2) 2009 not described in download page

Is there a reason that 2009 is not referenced in

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download

I know it's still under development but it should still be listed. If 
there are no objections I'll write a paragraph and link to

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009


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Re: FreeRunner, most used distributions

[Michael Shiloh]

Distrowatch for FreeRunner! Great idea!

http://distrowatch.com/


Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote:
> 
> Hello, I was wondering: anyone has an idea or stats about 
> which distributions are used by the FreeRunners out there?  Something like:
>  
> ===
> Om 2007.x: 50%
> Om 2008.x: 20%
> SHR: 10%
> [...]
> Other hacks: 5%
> ===

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Re: Freerunner freely runs Gentoo

[Michael Shiloh]

Sven Rebhan wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> We the gen...@openmoko team are pleased to announce that we reached
> our first milestone for running Gentoo on the Freerunner. 

> So to all Gentoo lovers: Stop-by and get the experience the Gentoo
> feeling on your phone!
> 

Yay! My all-time favorite distro on my all-time favorite platform. You 
people rock!

I will be testing it certainly.

Michael

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SHR missing rootfs (was: Re: bearstech SHR missing rootfs)

[Michael Shiloh]

 SHR project currently resides at: http://shr-project.org/trac this link 
 has instructions on getting and installing your SHR image.

Just before I fixed the wiki page it occurred to me to double-check:

http://shr-project.org/trac points to "how to install" which says to get 
images here:

http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/

which contains only the kernel and not the rootfs.

The wiki page is very helpful in that it points to a separate page which 
discusses the different versions of the rootfs, but the links point to 
the same place above which has only the kernel.

What now?

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Re: bearstech SHR missing rootfs

[Michael Shiloh]

Shawn "Trash" Thompson wrote:
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Shawn "Trash" Thompson wrote:
>>   
>>> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>>> 
>>>> According to the wiki
>>>>
>>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#SHR_images_.28Stable_Hybrid_Release.29
>>>>
>>>> SHR images are available here
>>>>
>>>> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D
>>>>
>>>> which contains the the kernel and modules but not the rootfs.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest this be fixed either by including the rootfs, or by including 
>>>> a readme.html that explains why the rootfs is missing, and where to find 
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> Comments?
>>>>
>>>> Michael
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>>> SHR project currently resides at: http://shr-project.org/trac this link 
>>> has instructions on getting and installing your SHR image.
>>>
>>> -Shawn
>>>

>>>
>>> 
>> Then the link on the wiki to bearstech is wrong. Shall I fix this?
>>

>>   
> Please do, I try to watch for errors if I have to browse the wiki also 
> so correct links are great :)
> -Shawn

Will do. I'm awaiting email with my password reminder as I forgot it.

I won't be offended if someone else does this before my password arrives.

Michael



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Re: bearstech SHR missing rootfs

[Michael Shiloh]

Shawn "Trash" Thompson wrote:
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> According to the wiki
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#SHR_images_.28Stable_Hybrid_Release.29
>>
>> SHR images are available here
>>
>> http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D
>>
>> which contains the the kernel and modules but not the rootfs.
>>
>> I suggest this be fixed either by including the rootfs, or by including 
>> a readme.html that explains why the rootfs is missing, and where to find 
>> one.
>>
>> Comments?
>>
>> Michael
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> SHR project currently resides at: http://shr-project.org/trac this link 
> has instructions on getting and installing your SHR image.
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Then the link on the wiki to bearstech is wrong. Shall I fix this?

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bearstech SHR missing rootfs

[Michael Shiloh]

According to the wiki

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#SHR_images_.28Stable_Hybrid_Release.29

SHR images are available here

http://shr.bearstech.com/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/?C=M;O=D

which contains the the kernel and modules but not the rootfs.

I suggest this be fixed either by including the rootfs, or by including 
a readme.html that explains why the rootfs is missing, and where to find 
one.

Comments?

Michael

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Re: My solution

[Michael Shiloh]

For fun you could adjust the accelerometer threshold to be 
super-sensitive, and then when you drive around corners the display 
would rotate 90 degrees, giving the virtual illusion* of driving really, 
really fast!

:-)


* "virtual illusion"? You heard it hear first.

> Yes, that could be a solution. In fact, in the Om2008 repos there is just
> such a tool, called accel-rotate. However, I find it mildly irritating,
> since it does not limit rotation to one "portrait" and one "landscape"
> display modes, it can rotate the screen in all 4 directions. In some
> applications this could actually be a very neat thing, depending on for
> instance the type of holder you have to clasp your FR. Thusly, if you can
> only put your FR into a holder upside down due to buttons/cables/whatever,
> then accell-rotate will allow you to do just that.
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Re: [navit] Sample map

[Michael Shiloh]

Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
> 2009/1/2 Michael Shiloh :
>> I beg to differ. Since Internet access is so iffy at the moment, having
>> something to show right away is very important.
> 
> Or at least put it in a separate package.
> 
yes, that would work. i would hope that whoever decides what goes into a 
distro (2008.12, FDOM, SHR, etc.), when Navit is included, so would the 
sample map.

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Re: [navit] Sample map

[Michael Shiloh]

Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
> Given the fact that space is short on mobile devices, might I suggest
> that the sample map not be included in the .opkg?

I beg to differ. Since Internet access is so iffy at the moment, having 
something to show right away is very important.

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Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?

[Michael Shiloh]

thanks for the confirmation. i'll play around a bit more and see what i 
can discover.

by the way, a reflash made it go away, so it definitely was caused by 
something i did.

now i'll do again  slowly and paying attention.

m


William Kenworthy wrote:
> yes, with the illume theme - I hav not heard of the problem otherwise.
> If so, you may have something new and its worthy of a bugreport.
> 
> BillK
> 
> On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 20:41 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Bill, are you referring to the issue when using the illume theme
>> instead of ASU? I'm using stock ASU.
>>
>>
>> William Kenworthy wrote:
>>> Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays
>>> newsletter ...
>>>
>>> Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine
>>>
>>> This is coming up almost once a day ...
>>>
>>> BillK
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up 
>>>> booting, I get a pop-up box with the message:
>>>>
>>>> Application Error
>>>> The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and 
>>>> is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce...
>>>>
>>>> (F1) Restart (F2) Exit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does 
>>>> eventually cause it to power down.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions?   
>>>>
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Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?

[Michael Shiloh]

Bill, are you referring to the issue when using the illume theme
instead of ASU? I'm using stock ASU.


William Kenworthy wrote:
> Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays
> newsletter ...
> 
> Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine
> 
> This is coming up almost once a day ...
> 
> BillK
> 
> On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up 
>> booting, I get a pop-up box with the message:
>>
>> Application Error
>> The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and 
>> is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce...
>>
>> (F1) Restart (F2) Exit
>>
>>
>> FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does 
>> eventually cause it to power down.
>>
>> Any suggestions? 
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Re: qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?

[Michael Shiloh]

Thanks! I was afraid it was previously discussed but I did an Internet 
search for "openmoko" and "qpe" and found nothing. It should have picked 
it up from the archives.

This should also be listed in the "known issues" section of 2008.12. 
I'll add it once I find the references you hint at.

Can you provide a slightly more limited hint? I expect the words 
"segfault" and "engine" will appear for many other topics.

Thanks,
Michael



William Kenworthy wrote:
> Yes, read the mailing list - especially the last bit of yesterdays
> newsletter ...
> 
> Hint: search the mailing list for segfault or engine
> 
> This is coming up almost once a day ...
> 
> BillK
> 
> On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 18:20 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up 
>> booting, I get a pop-up box with the message:
>>
>> Application Error
>> The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and 
>> is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce...
>>
>> (F1) Restart (F2) Exit
>>
>>
>> FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does 
>> eventually cause it to power down.
>>
>> Any suggestions? 
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qpe error using 2008.12: anyone know the reason? the solution?

[Michael Shiloh]

Hi,

Freshly installed 2008.12 kernel and rootfs FreeRunner. Every time, up 
booting, I get a pop-up box with the message:

Application Error
The qpe process vanished. This is bad. This is not meant to happen and 
is likelty a sign of a bug in Qtopia. Please try to reproduce...

(F1) Restart (F2) Exit


FR is then hung but alive enough that holding the power button does 
eventually cause it to power down.

Any suggestions?

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Re: OpenMooCow 0.1

[Michael Shiloh]

Wonderful! Brilliant idea.

Can you add this to opkg.org?

I look forward to a whole menagerie of user-contributed animals and 
sounds! Penguins should be represented quickly!

Michael




Thomas White wrote:
> I'm pleased to be able to announce version 0.1 of my "advanced
> accelerometer and audio framework testing system", OpenMooCow.
> Available from http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~taw27/openmoko/openmoocow/
> 
> When installed and run, OpenMooCow displays an artistic rendition of
> a fine specimen of Friesian dairy cattle.  Invert the device and return
> it to an upright orientation to experience the pinnacle of audio
> rendering "kwality".
> 
> The sound effect can be altered by putting a suitable WAV file
> in /usr/share/openmoocow/moo.wav.  A credit is due to Chris Hendricks
> who is the author of the original sound file (obtained from
> www.flashkit.com).
> 
> Comments/abuse to this address.
> 
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Re: [om2008.9/FDOM] Charging or Long Power On = Crashing?

[Michael Shiloh]

Boris Wong wrote:
> I'm working on a theory of prolonged charging leading to the crashing of
> the Freerunner in FDOM/om2008.9. I'm not saying it's definite, but I
> have had some experiences of my phone ending up in kernel panic and
> where the screen would not turn on after overnight charging without
> suspension.
> 
> Here is the scenario:
> I plug in my Freerunner to the wall adaptor, to let it charge overnight.
> I do not use suspension, but I do have the screen turn off
> automatically. I sometimes don't unplug/plug it in again to make the
> charging indicator (red light and the charging symbol on the screen)
> appear. In the morning (6+ hours later), the phone will be in kernel
> panic or the device will be on without the screen (calls and things get
> through, monitor does not come on).
> 
> The questionable theory:
> Is there any chance that, since the kernel is not aware that the device
> is charging (even though the device still charges to full), will create
> crashes or reverse the loop of the battery indicators? I'm aware that
> this is a smart battery which can dish out statistics. If the FR does
> not know that it is charging, but the power is going up, I might think
> that that may cause problems with the logging and power handling from
> the kernel.
> 
> Just a theory, but I really want to get rid of kernel panics and crashes
> after not shutting down for a long time.
> 
> Any other theories floating out there that we might want to consider?

Boris,

You may get better results posting this to the kernel list.

Michael

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Re: [Debian] Auxlaunch

[Michael Shiloh]

This is beautiful. Thanks!

It is very simple, very flexible, and easy to configure.

On top of that, it makes a great example program.

If you have time to write up a wiki page that would be great. Otherwise, 
I'll add it to my list.

Michael


Al Iasid wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I wanted a simple, very finger-friendly app launcher for my Freerunner 
> running Debian. I also wanted to access it using the "Aux" button. So, I 
> mixed code from the PyGTK hello world example with code from 
> matchbox-keyboard-toggle and came up with "Auxlaunch". A screenshot and 
> download link is at aliasid.googlepages.com/auxlaunch 
>  if you're interested.
> 
> At first, it minimizes and waits for the "Aux" button to be pressed. 
> Then, it pops up full screen and shows 3 large buttons. You use the up 
> and down buttons to change the top button. Press the top button and the 
> selected app starts. You can configure the choices by editing the 
> ".auxlaunchrc" text file. I added an item for "Suspend" ("apm -s"), too.

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Re: car charger

[Michael Shiloh]

Oye.

Moving this thread to the kernel list. This seems very wrong to me.


Michael


Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:38:20 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Joel Newkirk wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:05:09 -0700, Michael Shiloh
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> David Garabana Barro wrote:
>>>>> On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote:
>>>>>> Ok, thanks...
>>>>>> Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin
>>>>>> and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...?
>>>>> I will look at it, and post the results.
>>>> Anxiously awaiting your measurements.
>>>>
>>>> If there is no 4.7K resistor, I'd move this discussion to the kernel 
>>>> list. We should not be charging at 1A if we do not see this resistor.
>>>
>>> The cig lighter adapter I got is just a USB port, (the ID pin doesn't
>> exist
>>> there) just jack in the USB<->MiniUSB cable.  I get the same readings
>> below
>>> on AC, on PC, and on DC.  If I force charging to 500mA or 100mA then
>> they
>>> reflect that.
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
>>> /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode
>>> fast
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
>>> /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type
>>> charger 1A mode 1A
>> If I understand you correctly, this sounds like a bug.
>>
>> Let me confirm:
>>
>> 1. Disconnect your FreeRunner from any power source.
>> 2. Power cycle (to clear any previous state).
>> 3. Connect the FreeRunner to a PC USB port. We know these source at most 
>> 500mA.
>> 4. Display (and report) chgmode.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
> 
> OK, here's the final results.  I've flashed the kernel since my previous
> post in this thread, currently uname -a shows "Linux iota.newkirk.us 2.6.24
> #1 PREEMPT Fri Sep 26 14:13:25 EST 2008 armv4tl unknown".  After shutting
> down and restarting:
> 
> with nothing connected, I get:
> chgmode: play-only
> charger_type: charger 1A mode 1A
> 
> Connected to PC:
> chgmode: fast
> charger_type: charger 1A mode 500mA
> 
> Connected to included wall charger:
> chgmode: fast
> charger_type: charger 1A mode 1A
> 
> Connected to cheapo car lighter-to-USB adapter:
> chgmode: fast
> charger_type: charger 1A mode 1A
> 
> (of course since the car charger provides 1000mA this is what I want it to
> do, but I realize it shouldn't be doing it without intervention)
> 
> 
> j
> 
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Re: Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator

[Michael Shiloh]

I added an FAQ with this question and pointed to the wiki page. 
Hopefully this will bring the LEDs to the attention of new users more 
easily.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#What_are_the_LEDs_on_the_Neo_FreeRunner_for.3F

Nick Van Fossen wrote:
> Some of you probably knew this, but I just found out that the Freerunner 
> actually has a couple LEDs under the power button, but they don't seem to be 
> used yet in 2008.9 stable.  So, I thought it would be helpful to use them as 
> an external battery power indicator.  If you are like me, I let my phone 
> screen go black after 60 seconds and go to suspend by button press only, so 
> this is also helpful to tell if the Freerunner is in suspend or powered on 
> with the screen off.  
> 
> Power button blue for high battery, purple for medium, and orange for low.  
> 
> Perl script and simple instructions:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Led_Power_Status_Perl_Script
> 
> By the way, suspend mode and the phone itself are working great for me after 
> figuring out that pulseaudio was causing major problems.  Don't install the 
> mediaplayer, and if you did...  get rid of pulseaudio and the phone starts 
> working pretty good.  
> 
> -Nick
> 
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Re: Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator

[Michael Shiloh]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have written other script for that LEDs some time ago, it's called
> ledd and it's indicating charging state and transferring data over
> wifi. http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/ledd
> 

I added this to the Buttons and LEDs page:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs#Implementations_of_other_LED_behaviors

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Re: car charger

[Michael Shiloh]

Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:05:09 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> David Garabana Barro wrote:
>>> On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote:
>>>> Ok, thanks...
>>>> Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin
>>>> and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...?
>>> I will look at it, and post the results.
>> Anxiously awaiting your measurements.
>>
>> If there is no 4.7K resistor, I'd move this discussion to the kernel 
>> list. We should not be charging at 1A if we do not see this resistor.
> 
> 
> The cig lighter adapter I got is just a USB port, (the ID pin doesn't exist
> there) just jack in the USB<->MiniUSB cable.  I get the same readings below
> on AC, on PC, and on DC.  If I force charging to 500mA or 100mA then they
> reflect that.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
> /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode
> fast
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat
> /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type
> charger 1A mode 1A

If I understand you correctly, this sounds like a bug.

Let me confirm:

1. Disconnect your FreeRunner from any power source.
2. Power cycle (to clear any previous state).
3. Connect the FreeRunner to a PC USB port. We know these source at most 
500mA.
4. Display (and report) chgmode.

Thanks,
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Re: car charger

[Michael Shiloh]

David Garabana Barro wrote:
> On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote:
>> Ok, thanks...
>> Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin
>> and ground if you have a resistance close to 4.7Kohm ...?
> 
> I will look at it, and post the results.

Anxiously awaiting your measurements.

If there is no 4.7K resistor, I'd move this discussion to the kernel 
list. We should not be charging at 1A if we do not see this resistor.


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Re: Charging and USB host mode

[Michael Shiloh]

Michele Renda wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hello Peter...
> 
> I think it will be better, if you remove the host mode from your
> Freerunner. Until now, no one reported damaging of his FR when putted to
> recharge in host mode, but I think it will be better to don't be the
> first one :)
> 
> I am pretty sure that FR will not charge when in host mode. I think that
> your phone simply remained without battery. 


That is correct. In normal host mode the FR will not charge.

Details at

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host



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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Michael Shiloh]

Xavier Bestel wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 16:19 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of 
>> community suggestions, including Tom's.
>>
>> In particular, this should work for most people:
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_iwconfig_manually
>>
>> Feedback and other working examples appreciated.
> 
> Is feedback by mail ok ?

It is my favorite method actually :-)

> 
> I always use the manual iwconfig+udhcpc method. It works most of the
> time right after reboot, but often looses the network after a few
> minutes (sometimes it works for hals an hour). After that, redoing the
> iwconfig sometimes works, sometimes not and another reboot is in order.


Very interesting. Do you kill udhcpc in between invokations? I think 
it's a daemon.

Of course the real issue is why in looses the connection. I presume you 
have suspend disabled?

Have you tried a different channel? One of my neighbors is on a close 
channel and things got better when I changed my AP to an unused channel. 
iwlist is a great help here.

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Disable_power_management 
suggests that power management caused problems. You might try this too.

Please let us know what works and what doesn't. Better yet add it to the 
wiki.

Michael

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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Michael Shiloh]

Sarton O'Brien wrote:
> On Thursday 09 October 2008 11:50:14 Steve Mosher wrote:
>> well since this is wifi specific it needs to be referenced in the wifi
>> section. If I had the wifi problem THAT would be the first place I
>> looked. or in the known problem section.
> 
> I can't say I'm extremely familiar with the wiki but I imagine there is a 
> troubleshooting section? With possibly a FAQ? I think a link to the selected 
> blogs page would be valuable in such a place along with a link on the wiki 
> index.

All things wifi, including known issues and a link to Tom's article, are 
here:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi


> 
> As blogs tend be general, linking specifically within wifi might not be 
> appropriate but a link to the troubleshooting page within wifi that then 
> allows you to choose internal or external sources of information sounds 
> better 
> and keeps the non-official documentation contained and a little more 
> consolidated for all areas of troubleshooting. For actual wiki content this 
> isn't a problem but it would allow for an actual troubleshooting index of 
> wiki 
> approved content as well.
> 
> I imagine linking directly, even if only to the selected blogs page, may 
> require more maintenance down the track as online information is pretty fluid 
> and relevance can change pretty quickly. If the site disappeared you'd have 
> to 
> modify more than one page to accommodate it. Having two primary links, faqs 
> and troubleshooting, seems less confusing and easier to maintain to me.
> 
> Just a thought :)
> 
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Michael Shiloh]

Just did that. I reorganized the WLAN page and incoporated a number of 
community suggestions, including Tom's.

In particular, this should work for most people:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Wifi#Using_iwconfig_manually

Feedback and other working examples appreciated.
Michael


Steve Mosher wrote:
>   michael could you and brenda assist Tom
> 
> Tom Yates wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks,
>>>Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki.
>>
>> i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at 
>> http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like).  is 
>> there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their 
>> writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of "this is what i managed to 
>> do, and it's documented here and here and here"?
>>
>> i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki 
>> itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; 
>> wikialising it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only 
>> such person.
>>
>>
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Michael Shiloh]

Joel Newkirk wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:42:00 -0700, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Tom Yates wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki.
>>> i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at
>>> http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like).  is
>>> there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their
>>> writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of "this is what i managed to
>> do,
>>> and it's documented here and here and here"?
>>>
>>> i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki
>>> itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising
>>> it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person.
>>>
>>>
>> Great post. I'll extract some things for the wiki. You of course are
>> invited to do the same.
>>
>> I don't think we have a specific page linking to other people's pages.
>> Usually they are linked in various relevant sections (e.g. since you
>> give an excellent wifi writeup, yours might be a good page to link to
>> from our wifi section). Perhaps we need to rethink this (on the
>> documentation list).
> 
> What about
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner:_Selected_Blogs_and_Articles?  Is
> it intended strictly for blogs and 'news' articles?

Excellent. Done.


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Re: [2008.9] Wifi very unreliable

[Michael Shiloh]

Tom Yates wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Steve Mosher wrote:
> 
>>  Thanks,
>>Maybe you could work with micheal to put this on the wiki.
> 
> i also wrote up my positive experiences with openmoko (see at 
> http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/openmoko-2.html , if you like).  is 
> there some mileage in a wiki page where people can link to their 
> writeups, each with perhaps a paragraph of "this is what i managed to do, 
> and it's documented here and here and here"?
> 
> i know in an ideal world i'd've written all my stuff up on the wiki 
> itself, but i just writing it all down was hard enough work; wikialising 
> it was more than i could bear, and i may not be the only such person.
> 
> 

Great post. I'll extract some things for the wiki. You of course are 
invited to do the same.

I don't think we have a specific page linking to other people's pages. 
Usually they are linked in various relevant sections (e.g. since you 
give an excellent wifi writeup, yours might be a good page to link to 
from our wifi section). Perhaps we need to rethink this (on the 
documentation list).

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Can someone confirm that these settings solved the Echo issue on OM2008.08 ?

[Michael Shiloh]

Anders Einar Hilden wrote:
> These settings ( https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1267#comment:16
> ) made my Freerunner echofree 5 weeks ago, haven't hade the time to
> play with it since.


I'd like to hear from someone who used to have the echo problem, then 
tried the settings mentioned above and found they solved the problem.

Then we'll put it up on the wiki.

Michael

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Re: Search engine improved.

[Michael Shiloh]

BrendaWang wrote:
> Dear community:
> Openmoko IT guys had improved wiki search engine.
> Solutions was put Google Search extension on wiki site.
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleSiteSearch
> 
> Feedback welcome.

Wow. That is an amazing improvement. Thank you IT guys and Brenda!

Michael

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Re: FDOM and WiFi

[Michael Shiloh]

After you set the ESSID you need to request an IP address via dhcp:

udhcpc eth0

Which is the last line in this command sequence:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_WLAN#Manual_attempt

Vince M. Clark wrote:
>   Network is open and I can see it. I tried manually configuring and it 
> sets the essid but doesn't get an IP address. Is there something else I 
> need to do to enable dhcp?
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0
> eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:"linksys" 
>   Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 
> 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41  
>   Bit Rate=1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3 
>   Retry:on  
>   Encryption key:off
>   Power Management:off
>   Link Quality:179/94  Signal level:-172 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
>   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:8
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifconfig eth0
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:12:CF:8E:E7:AA 
>   inet6 addr: fe80::212:cfff:fe8e:e7aa/64 Scope:Link
>   UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:109829 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:14838 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>   RX bytes:44459303 (42.3 MiB)  TX bytes:146338 (142.9 KiB)
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Shiloh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "List for Openmoko community discussion" 
> Sent: Friday, October 3, 2008 1:44:57 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver
> Subject: Re: FDOM and WiFi
> 
> At this point you can try manually configuring the wireless card:
> 
> iwconfig eth0 essid linksys
> 
> Does your network have an encryption key? How many letters? I think
> there is a bug that one letter keys don't work.
> 
> If your network has an encryption key, I think another bug requires that
> you set the key before the ID thus:
> 
> iwconfig eth0 key 123456789 essid linksys
> 
> Let me know if this works and we'll update the wiki accordingly
> 
> Michael
> 
> Vince M. Clark wrote:
>  >   Here is the output. I can see the access point but it is not connected
>  > even though in Mofi the circle is orange next to the access point.
>  >
>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0
>  > eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:""
>  >   Mode:Managed  Bit Rate:1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=0 dBm   
> Sensitivity=0/3
>  >   Retry:on  
>  >   Encryption key:off
>  >   Power Management:off
>  >   Link Quality:0/94  Signal level:-95 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
>  >   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>  >   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
>  >
>  >
>  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwlist eth0 scan
>  > eth0  Scan completed :
>  >   Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41
>  > ESSID:"linksys"
>  > Mode:Master
>  > Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
>  > Quality=15/94  Signal level=-80 dBm  Noise 
> level=-95 dBm
>  > Encryption key:off
>  > Extra:bcn_int=100
>  >

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Re: is fr usb host mode prone to damage from regular usb charging

[Michael Shiloh]

Petr Vanek wrote:
> I haven't found a clear answer on this one:
> 
> i got A-A Female to Female usb connector to couple two cables.
> 
> The wiki pages [1], [2] provide sufficient info on usage, except of one
> thing: if i switch into USB Host mode providing power (*) can i damage
> anything if i forget it like that and replug my fr into my computer?


Hi Petr,

This type of question is more appropriate to the kernel list.

I'll go ahead and post it for you there.

Regards,
Michael

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Re: FDOM and WiFi

[Michael Shiloh]

At this point you can try manually configuring the wireless card:

iwconfig eth0 essid linksys

Does your network have an encryption key? How many letters? I think 
there is a bug that one letter keys don't work.

If your network has an encryption key, I think another bug requires that 
you set the key before the ID thus:

iwconfig eth0 key 123456789 essid linksys

Let me know if this works and we'll update the wiki accordingly

Michael

Vince M. Clark wrote:
>   Here is the output. I can see the access point but it is not connected 
> even though in Mofi the circle is orange next to the access point.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0
> eth0  AR6000 802.11g  ESSID:"" 
>   Mode:Managed  Bit Rate:1 Mb/s   Tx-Power=0 dBm   Sensitivity=0/3 
>   Retry:on  
>   Encryption key:off
>   Power Management:off
>   Link Quality:0/94  Signal level:-95 dBm  Noise level:-96 dBm
>   Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>   Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwlist eth0 scan
> eth0  Scan completed :
>   Cell 01 - Address: 00:0F:66:D2:BB:41
> ESSID:"linksys"
> Mode:Master
> Frequency:2.437 GHz (Channel 6)
> Quality=15/94  Signal level=-80 dBm  Noise level=-95 dBm
> Encryption key:off
> Extra:bcn_int=100
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Re: [2008.9] Wifi now reliable

[Michael Shiloh]

Charles Pax wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/3/08, *Matthias Apitz* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> I own the FR gadget now for 2-3 weeks, I think, and I'm so happy with it
> and I use it in daily work as I did with my normal cellphone, a BenQ
> Siemens S68, which I have returned already because I think the FR is
> stable enough for me;
> 
> I can do what I want with it:
> 
> - I can SSH to the Linux and install or change what I feel fitting for
> me or missing there;
> - for me Wifi works now as it should;
> - for me GPRS and PPPD together with my smaller laptop (a eeePC 900 on
> which I have installed FreeBSD 7.0) let me go to Internet; I can use
> the FR like a normal router box to Internet;

Very glad to hear of your success.

What kind of access point are you using, and what kind of encryption or 
security are you using with it?

Thanks,
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Re: rescue my freerunner

[Michael Shiloh]

David Pottage wrote:
> On Fri, October 3, 2008 9:20 am, Sergey Alembekov wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 03:41:08PM +1000, nickd wrote:
>>> Worst case scenario, you might be able to create a backup of your rootfs
>>> (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U backup_rootfs.jffs) and mount the image on
>>> loopback [1] and transfer your home directory back onto your Freerunner.
>> Thank you for help, but unfortunately thereis known bug in dfu-util and
>> becouse of it i can not do a backup.
> 
> How about preparing a MicoSD card with fresh copy of your preferred distro
> on it. (ASU/Debian/etc), boot from that and then mount the rootfs and
> either fix the offending files or take a copy of your data.
> 


Good idea.

If your computer doesn't have an SD slot, you can buy an inexpensive USB 
to SDcard adapter. This is what I use and it's been fine.

(when you say it's stuck while booting, how long did you wait? IIRC 
there is a network related task which will eventually time out, but it 
does take quite a long time.)

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Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone

[Michael Shiloh]

Andy Green wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> Somebody in the thread at some point said:
> |> Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization.
> |
> | Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki
> |
> |> Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will
> |> charge in the FreeRunner?
> |
> | Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it
> | does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand.
> |
> | Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see
> | it (and remove if desired).
> |
> | True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that
> | battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of
> | the kernel people can confirm this.
> 
> Right, we are clueless what that battery is for charging purposes, it'll
> give it a go charging it in a fairly adaptive way if the terminals line
> up with the battery socket.


Thanks Andy! I'll add this to the wiki.

(Sorry I reposted to the kernel list before I saw your response.)

Michael


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Re: dead battery

[Michael Shiloh]

> Vince,
> When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied 
> charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it 
> timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the 
> NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted.
> 
> -Shawn
>

I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we 
booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate?

Michael

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Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone

[Michael Shiloh]

Dale Schumacher wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge
>> non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have
>> the correct charging parameters.
>>
>> Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't
>> test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability
>> to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger.
>>
>> Thus:
>>
>> * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo
>>
>> * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is
>> not Nokia branded
>>
>> * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger
> 
> Added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#USB_charger
> 


Thanks!

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Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone

[Michael Shiloh]

> Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization.

Since you found it illuminating, I'll add it to the wiki

> Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will
> charge in the FreeRunner?

Excellent question. That's the one case I left out. I'm pretty sure it 
does, because I'm pretty sure that we do not check for battery brand.

Any checking of battery brand would happen in software, where we can see 
it (and remove if desired).

True, there is a chip that handles charging, but I'm pretty sure that 
battery brand is not one of the parameters we feed it. Perhaps one of 
the kernel people can confirm this.

Michael

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Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)

[Michael Shiloh]

> The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone.  The battery
> will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge
> it, since it won't recognize it.

Exactly right. My understanding is this:

Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge 
non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have 
the correct charging parameters.

Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't 
test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability 
to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger.

Thus:

* You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo

* You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is 
not Nokia branded

* You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger

Michael

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Re: CAD conversion and editing

[Michael Shiloh]

Lothar Behrens wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have converted as much as possible from the CAD files into BRLCAD files.
> 
> Propably I have forgotten to tell Michael Shiloh where the converted 
> files are.
> (As of I had eMail contact to him)
> 


Hi Lothar,

Yes, tell me where the files are, and we'll gladly host them on 
downloads.openmoko.org.

Michael

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Re: Project categories need cleaning

[Michael Shiloh]

Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Was just checking
> http://projects.openmoko.org/softwaremap/trove_list.php?form_cat=308
> 
> From what I learn from the description, I think that Aphasia and maybe
> Cerebro ( I might be wrong!) maybe should not be there.
> 
> I'm also not sure about http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/ttosss/
> - I'd like some more information there telling what it actually is..
> My first thought was it's spam..

Yes, you're right - projects needs some serious cleaning up. I'll take a 
look at this and figure out where it fits in to our general clean up scheme.

Michael

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Re: 2008.9 GPS

[Michael Shiloh]

Matthew Lane wrote:
> I can't get my GPS to get a fix, even outside.  I'm using the latest 
> 2008.9 distro from the wiki (as of 9/18/08).  My Locations app shows a 
> map, attempts to get a fix, and always tells me I can't get a fix in 
> sunny weather!
> 
> Is anyone else having this issue, or does anyone know of a solution?

I've had quite the opposite experience: GPS works more reliably than 
ever with 2008.9.

I presume you've had GPS fixes with the same device in the past?

I presume you updated the kernel as well as the root FS?

Did you try with/without an SD card inserted? Now that I think of it, I 
didn't have an SD card installed.

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I bought the FR for what I did not have - freedom (was: Re: funny comment from a user, in response to the question of whether FR works as a daily phone:)

[Michael Shiloh]

Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> My old phone works as a daily phone. I bought the FR for what I did not 
>> have - misery.

Sorry everyone, I found that comment amusing and was going to respond in 
some clever way, then changed my mind, and unfortunately sent the 
partially composed message.

To paraphrase the original poster, we buy the FR for what we don't have 
- a generic Linux computer in a cellphone, on which we can develop all 
manner of applications in any language we chose, without the constraints 
of the carrier or the cellphone provider

I appreciate that many of you purchased the FR to use as your daily 
phone. But I really believe that the magic of Openmoko comes from what 
we do with this platform that is different from, and way beyond, a mere 
phone.

That is why the discussion about extending the FR with external sensors 
interested me so much.

So what other ideas do you all have of ways to extend the utility of the 
  FreeRunner? In what ways can you make it "more than a cellphone"? (and 
I don't limit this to physical extensions.)

How can we all rise above the current issues with GSM, SMS, etc. and 
create the device of the future?

My plan:
I am going to take the ideas gathered in the discussion about reporting 
the tides (when they drifted (pun intended) into case modifications and 
external sensors) and build an extended FreeRunner. I plan to use a 
Pelican case and either an Arduino, EZ-USB, or MAKE Controller Kit to 
interface to external sensors and perhaps also actuators, like hobby 
servo motors.

What is it going to be? I'm not sure yet. But I'm sure ideas will come.


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funny comment from a user, in response to the question of whether FR works as a daily phone:

[Michael Shiloh]

> My old phone works as a daily phone. I bought the FR for what I did not 
> have - misery.

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Re: Diversity

[Michael Shiloh]

Matthew wrote:
> I just downloaded the latest 2008.8 kernel & fs, and I'm trying to use 
> Locations.  I can't ever get a GPS fix though.  I try outside in sunny 
> weather, and I get no gps fix, ever!  SD card in or out, no fix (wasn't 
> this already kernel patched anyway?)


2008.9 just came out, and i got a fix with it right away.

any reason not to try that?

m

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Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates

[Michael Shiloh]

Denis Galvão wrote:
> On 18/09/2008, at 01:56, Adam Bogacki wrote:
>> I like the concept and would like to volunteer to test a prototype in
>> New Zealand conditions.
> 
> 
> For sure Adam.
> 
> Like Michael said, we should start something in the wiki.
> 
> I was looking for something similar and found this:
> http://www.sonimtech.com/
> 
> This is what Im looking for, at least as a water proof case.
> 
> Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do:
> - Compass ?
> - Altimeter ?
> 
> How should be the best way to have this information on the phone?  
> Using an external hardware module?
> 


I'm thinking we need to make a generic expandable water proof (or at 
least harsh conditions proof) case for the FR.

For rapid prototyping, the very best interface would be USB. Future 
applications might tie in at a more intimate level. At least for the 
sensors mentioned so far the data rate is slow enough that our USB could 
easily handle it.

I'm envisioning something that looks like a Pelican case, one of the 
smaller ones, with the guts of a FreeRunner and room for additional 
hardware, perhaps an Arduino board, extra sensors, and an extra battery, 
but still handheld.

Some Pelican cases have a clear cover.

I've wondered if there exist waterproof button activators that transmit 
force via a magnet, like magnetic stirrers or pumps, so that there is no 
hole in the case, no gaskets, and no place to leak (assuming the 
original case is waterproof in the first place). Anyone know of such a 
thing?

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Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates

[Michael Shiloh]

Crane, Matthew wrote:
> It would be a pretty straight forward project to make a ez-usb key with a 
> magnetometer and pressure sensor.  

I've been dying to do an EZ-USB / Openmoko project, for over a year. 
This would be way cool.


Michael

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Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates

[Michael Shiloh]

Crane, Matthew wrote:
> I'm from the coast, into surf/sailing.  
> 
> Ideas: 
> 
> - openmoko attached to bouys, phones home with bouy angle, wave forces
> - openmoko race application, allow other boats to watch speed, position,
> and accel forces on race participants (would be cool to see graphic of
> boat hitting waves and the angle while close hauled, other boats could
> view visualization when a gust hits a competitor)
> - openmoko in moored yacht, alert/webserve info on forces on boat,
> similar detect if boat is drifting away from mooring 
> 


+1! Great ideas. I think there is enough material here and in the 
previous emails to put together a pre-project, either on projects or as 
a wiki wishlist item.

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Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates

[Michael Shiloh]

Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns 
out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a 
nice review:

http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php

Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with 
GPS.

Anyone interested?

Michael

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Re: Open Linux phone gets datacasts

[Michael Shiloh]

nicklogan wrote:
> 
> 
> Natanael Arndt wrote:
>> I have just found this:
>> LinuxDevices.com: Open Linux phone gets datacasts 
>> (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html)
>>
>> be blessed
>> Natanael
>>
>>
> 
> I contacted the company to see if they will make available the plastic body
> extension separately. My thought was to use the extra space for a larger
> battery, I'm sure other projects could also benefit. No response yet.
> 
> 
> 

note that they are not a company - it's a research center, and they 
don't make the extensions - they had it printed at a 3d printer shop. 
you can do the same.

michael

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Broadcast receiver based on FreeRunner (openmokast): Answers to some questions

[Michael Shiloh]

I collected some questions from the community, which Jean-Michel 
Bouffard, a Research Engineer at the Communications Research Centre in 
Canada, graciously agreed to answer. I hope to see his work inspire 
similar projects:

(Note: The attachment (*) Jean-Michel mentions below will be placed on 
downloads or some such place shortly)

==

It will be a pleasure answering some of your questions.

> 
> In particular, people are interested in whether the plastic or the 
> hardware will be available to the public, even in small, experimental 
> quantities, and beyond, whether you know of any commercial modules that 
> might be substituted for your custom modules.

The plastic part was designed from the case CAD files that were released
on the openmoko.com website. I attached (*) a model that can be seen using
the free edrawings viewer (http://www.edrawingsviewer.com/). We will
most probably release the source ProE model of the backplate extension
as soon as the author agrees.

  From the source ProE model, we have ordered a small quantity of 3D
printouts in ABS from a local company (http://cimetrixsolutions.com/).
Other provider of such custom ABS parts could also be
http://www.protomold.com or https://www.redeyerpm.com

For the hardware module, it was provided by a manufacturer but we are in
a discussion process with them so nothing will be released for now.

To sum it all up we are not planning to release any hardware ourselves
but after we release the extension ProE files, people will be able to
order plastic parts themselves. And hopefully our discussion with
receiver manufacturer(s) should result in a receiver commercially
available with the driver included in openmokast. So I suggest that you
register to our RSS feed
(http://openmokast.org/index.php?option=com_rd_rss&id=2) to stay current
with the news.

> 
> We are also interested in details such as how the hardware was 
> connected. We note with pleasure that the software is open-sourced, and 
> wonder how independent the hardware layer is, so that it might be 
> replaced with drivers for e.g. an off-the-shelf receiver of some sort.

The hardware uses a USB interface so it was connected to the USB port of
the FreeRunner from inside the case. When setting USB in "host mode" and
the "host mode" in type "1", the FreeRunner is able to power the
broadcasting receiver from its battery.

> 
> I personally am fascinated by your previous work with Gumstix and SDR, 
> as I am an amateur radio operator (KA6RCQ). It has been an interest of 
> mine to fashion some sort of ham SDR on external hardware, and then to 
> use the FreeRunner as the GUI and the audio IO device. Is any of your 
> work on this available to the public?

This work on SDR was conducted by a completely different team from the
CRC so I cannot say if they have ever released some of their work to the
public.

> 
> Regards,
> Michael

Thanks for your interest...

-- 
Jean-Michel Bouffard
Research Engineer | Ingénieur de recherche
Communications Research | Centre de recherches sur les
   Centre Canada | communications Canada
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Cour.: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web site: www.crc.ca | Site web: www.crc.ca


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Re: FDOM updated

[Michael Shiloh]

David Samblas wrote:

> Added Pidgin, and Remoko and something else :)


Pidgin! Woohoo!

This is rapidly becoming my favorite image. Keep up the good work!

What are you considering adding next? Do you already have a SIP app?

M

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Re: using openocd

[Michael Shiloh]

andi wrote:
> Lynn Nguyen wrote:
>> Does the cable fit completely into your neo? Because my cable doesn't 
>> go straight in. Is there a technique to make it fit? Did you have any 
>> problems making it fit? Because I think my problem is that my cable 
>> doesn't go all the way in.
>>
> When you look at the contacts on the cable, you can see that there are 
> two rows, so you have to plug the cable pretty deep into the connector.
> (I think I had only the first row in at the beginning...)  On the 
> connector you can see how far you have to push the cable into the 
> connector.
> There is no special technique. Just push it in.
> 
> andi


What I am seeing on a couple of connectors and phones is that the cable 
is a bit wider than the opening in the connector. Yes, I know that it 
has always been a tight fit, but I wonder if it has gotten worse, as I 
can't get the cable in at all now.

Michael

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Re: SIP on Debian

[Michael Shiloh]

Peter Schwenke wrote:
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Do you think the distortion was on the analog side e.g. volume settings, 
>> or delays on the network side?
>>
> 
> I tried again last night when I had a second person.  The distortion was
> not too bad.  Gaps and missing chunks but promising.
> 
> But there was a long delay receiving the audio.  It might be networking
> or processing speed.
> 
> 
>> Were you using WiFi or Ethernet over USB?
> 
> Wifi on both ends with WPA2 encryption.
> 
> I'll will try it over Ethernet over USB and ethernet on the other end.
> 
>> Were you speaking to yourself on the other computer, so not over the 
>> Internet?
>>
> 
> Yes, locally.
> 
> I have tried and connected over the internet.  Wireless going out over a
> 512/512Kb ADSL line and connecting to  an actual Video Conferencing
> endpoint another ADSL line.  I have 2 ADSL lines.
> 
> Doing the above with Ekiga *some* muffled distorted sounds go back and
> forth.  I receive the picture from the endpoint.  But that stops
> updating straight away.  Then sound stops.
> 
> Limiting the call to audio only, I have had both SIP and H239 calls with
> Ekiga with the similar audio results.  Received audio clearly on the
> FreeRunner for a while.  Muffled distorted hardly going out.  But after
> a while  things don't well.  I've used Ekiga a fair bit but know it can
> get dodgy over that ADSL line.
> 
> I have been able to initiate and receive calls calls using Linphone over
> the Internet using the above gear.  But I have not managed to get audio
> up and down.  I have also been unable to get audio up and down with my
> laptop with Linphone so that problem is not only with the Openmoko.  I
> have received the "no webcam image" from my laptop on the endpoint.
> All the routing from the firewall on the laptop/Freerunner end should be
> fine.  I have tried linphone with and without the firewall setting.
> 
> At some point I'm going to try setting the endpoint and phone up
> together on the same local switch.  That will make it easier to work
> where the problems are.
> 
> When I get (or build) a kernel with the uvcvideo driver I intend trying
>  a webcam in usb host mode on the Freerunner and see what happens.
> 
>...Peter


Peter,

Thanks for the detailed report. I think this is something many of us 
will be trying.

Michael


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Re: SIP on Debian

[Michael Shiloh]

Peter Schwenke wrote:
> Using
> 
> http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk//src/target/audio/om-gta02/voip-handset.state
> 
> I was able to use linphone to connect to ekiga on another machine.  The
> mic and speaker worked.  The sound was a little soft and distorted.  But
> I was juggling a headset on the other computer and the openmoko.


Excellent news. This is what I'd use daily.

Do you think the distortion was on the analog side e.g. volume settings, 
or delays on the network side?

Were you using WiFi or Ethernet over USB?

Were you speaking to yourself on the other computer, so not over the 
Internet?

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Re: Open Linux phone gets datacasts

[Michael Shiloh]

Natanael Arndt wrote:
> I have just found this:
> LinuxDevices.com: Open Linux phone gets datacasts 
> (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html)

Gah! LinuxDevices got it before I got it to you!

Oh well, good news travels fast [sic].

Michael

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[Fwd: Re: Open Broadcasting Phone at BA2008]

[Michael Shiloh]

I'd like to bring to your attention an amazing project. From their website:

"The Mobile Multimedia Broadcasting (MMB) team of the Communications 
Research Centre Canada (CRC) will showcase its new broadcasting handset 
prototype called openmokast in Amsterdam at the IBC 2008 exhibition this 
week. The prototype, based on the Openmoko FreeRunner manufactured by 
FIC Inc., is the first open handset to integrate the reception of live 
digital radio, video and data services with typical smart phone 
functions such as mobile telephony, wireless internet and GPS

Some details:

* A functional USB DAB/DMB receiver inserted inside a case extension, 
the design of which was based on the Openmoko CAD files

* Custom software that can now receive live DAB/DMB radio and
decode different types of services such as:
- Musicam audio
- DAB+ audio
- Slideshow
- Journaline text news

(The software is available as a package from the download section on 
their website but it can be used only with input files because the 
hardware receiver is not available to the public.)

Moreover, this OpenMoko based DAB/DMB receiver will be shown at the
International Broadcasting Conference (IBC2008) in Amsterdam later this
week.

More details at http://openmokast.org/

Thanks to Jean-Michel Bouffard for making this possible and for bringing 
it to our attention!

Michael

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Re: Frogpad keyboard and Neo Freerunner

[Michael Shiloh]

Lally Singh wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Pablo Ruiz Múzquiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I've seen some mails on this topic but I can't find any conclusive one.
>> There's a quick video demoing frogpad keyboard but it's difficult to see
>> wether it's the usb or bt model..
>>
>> Anyway, the question is, does Frogpad make a good companion for a FR? It
>> appears to be so, but I'd like some comments.
> 
> Haven't used it yet (my FR comes in today!!), but I was thinking the
> same as you.  The USB should certainly work, as Linux is listed in the
> compat. listing @ thinkgeek's description thereof.
> 

Please add to the list of accessories on the wiki, noting whether these 
work or don't work.

Michael

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Re: Suitable USB converter

[Michael Shiloh]

Atilla Filiz wrote:
> Have you found any cheap cables/adapters to connect normal usb 
> peripherals to the usb OTG port? A keyboard will be extremely useful at 
> home.
> 

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_use_an_external_USB_keyboard_with_the_FreeRunner_.3F

I've just added a link to the page describing the adapters.

Remember that this is not a true OTG port.

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Re: USB host successes (good to have)

[Michael Shiloh]

Michele Renda wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hello
> 
> I want to share something that I found in a shop:
> 
> http://www.conectica.ro/display/1-63-19-Adaptoare/Adaptor_USB_A___USB_A___.html
> 
> With it I could use the shipped cable (Usb to Micro Usb) to attach a
> pendrive to my FR and to get my FR running.
> 
> It cost around 1.50 euro, and it seem to be cheap to me. The good think
> is that it permit to use the provided cable and to don't risk to brak
> the micro usb part inside the FR.
> 
> What do you think about it?


Would be nice if they actually showed the connector from the business 
end, so we can see what it's like.

I presume it's what we call a USB Type A Female to Female Gender 
Changer, like this one:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Specialized_USB_cables#Ready-made_type_A_jack_to_a_type_A_jack_adapter_.28gender_changer.29

Yes, that should allow you to connect a random USB device that is 
typically attached to a computer, to the end of the USB cable that came 
with your FreeRunner.

With this adapter your USB pendrive would be powered by the FreeRunner, 
which is what you want.

Michael


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Re: USB host successes

[Michael Shiloh]

Maciej Delmanowski wrote:
> On Aug 25, Joel Newkirk wrote:
>> probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner can
>> power a hub and two adapters)
> 
> I've thought about different idea - can FreeRunner be powered from USB power
> adaper connected to the USB hub? Like this:
> 
> 
>   Power plug
>   |
>   |
>USB Hub---Ethernet, thumb drive, other devices
>   |
>   |
>  FreeRunner
> 


You are talking about a powered USB hub. Yes, they exist, but generally 
they only power the _device_ USB ports, i.e. only downstream devices. A 
hub like this must not pump power into the upstream host, because the 
host is normally providing power itself.

The fact that the Neo can be powered by USB when in host mode is 
non-standard, and thus it's unlikely that you'll find an off-the-shelf 
cable or hub that will do this. You will most likely have to wire 
something up yourself.

See 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host#Providing_power_to_run_and_charge_the_Neo_while_in_host_mode
for more details

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Re: USB host successes

[Michael Shiloh]

Joel Newkirk wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:23:43 +0200, Maciej Delmanowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> On Aug 25, Joel Newkirk wrote:
>>> probably still useful - the question is really whether the Freerunner
>> can
>>> power a hub and two adapters)



I've tried to answer many of these questions here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_host

If you feel this information is unclear, lacking, or wrong, please 
correct or please let me know.

In particular, I'd love people to add any specific setups they have that 
are working.

Michael

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Re: FDOM (FAT and Dirty Openmoko) Distribution ready to download

[Michael Shiloh]

David Samblas wrote:
> Hi there,
> you have aviable on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM a rootfs/kenel  
> image ready to flash of an OM2008.08-updates distribution with some apps 
> already installed and some fixes posted in the lists done.


Thank you so much! I've loaded this and was greeted with a nice full 
screen of applications. I will now explore!

Will you make a wiki page or shall I? I think the distributions page 
lists a number of "unnofficial" images such as scardycat, etc.

Michael

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T-shirt store (was: Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner)

[Michael Shiloh]

Previdi Roberto wrote:
> yes it's slow, but it's all in the emotion.. You don't have a real linux 
> system if you cannot compile code in it...



 >

Oooh! T-shirt! Perhaps with a picture of a compilation taking place on a 
FreeRunner!


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T-shirt store (was: Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner)

[Michael Shiloh]

Previdi Roberto wrote:
> yes it's slow, but it's all in the emotion.. You don't have a real linux 
> system if you cannot compile code in it...



 >

Oooh! T-shirt! Perhaps with a picture of a compilation taking place on a 
FreeRunner!


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Re: how to compile from source directly from a neo freerunner

[Michael Shiloh]

Previdi Roberto wrote:
> yes it's slow, but it's all in the emotion.. You don't have a real linux 
> system if you cannot compile code in it...
> 

Oooh! T-shirt! Perhaps with a picture of a compilation taking place on a 
FreeRunner!

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Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] up and running :)

[Michael Shiloh]

David Samblas wrote:
> Thanks to Michael Siloh, 
> I can proudly annouce the opening of the spanish openmoko list,
> http://lists.projects.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/local-openmoko-spain 
> 
> This intended to help the spanish non-english skilled users to help and
> be helped by the Openmoko community, the spanish skilled-enough users
> will act as bridge between international and local group
> Any english spanish-skilled are welcome  :), even anyone
> anything-skilled are welcome too :)
> 
> So to avoid any flamewar, the idea is to make the community grow not to
> split it. So I encorage anyone to do the same for his localgroup.
> 

Thanks to David, really, for initiating the Spanish group, for creating 
the original Spanish list, and for helping me get the list moved to 
Openmoko.

Openmoko is proud to support the Spanish local Openmoko group, and
Openmoko encourages the formation of other local Openmoko groups.

A mailing list seems like a useful tool, not to split the community, but 
to allow conversation that may not be relevant to the world at large 
(e.g. meetings or group purchases or, in this case, discussion in a 
different language).

I'll be happy to create mailing lists as needed. For the time being we 
are doing this under the umbrella of the local-openmoko project. Email 
me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to request such a list.

(The San Francisco local Openmoko Group, in contrast, has been invited 
to  simply use the San Francisco Linux User's Group mailing list, at 
least until we become a nuisance to them.)

I'll create a wiki page for local Openmoko groups, and look forward to 
adding more.

Michael

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Re: Hacking nokia headset HS-40 to work with OM

[Michael Shiloh]

Alberto Morales wrote:
> El Saturday, 6 de September de 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra escribió:
>> Yes, please do it, including photos :)
>>
>> It's much better that it resides in the wiki than here!
>>
>> Please tell us the URL when you're done :)
> 
> Done.
> - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Analog_wired_Headset_Nokia

Excellent! Thanks.


> 
> And linked from the following pages (very similar):
> - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset
> - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Analog_wired_Headset
> 
> Last question: what is expected to happen when the headset button is 
> pressed?

Good question. Let's ask this on the Kernel list. I presume this causes 
a dbus (e.g.) event so the action depends on what handlers exist, if any.

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Re: getting error while trying to flash my neo freerunner

[Michael Shiloh]

Detructor wrote:
> Okay, I've now bootet my Neo into the NAND boot menu and started
> flashing...and it works!

Excellent news, although I'm sure I join you in wondering why..
> 
> I don't know why, but in NOR it doesn't work...

Very odd. And at first you had tried both NAND and NOR, and both worked?

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Re: Bluetooth convenience scripts

[Michael Shiloh]

Daniel Benoy wrote:
> I found a useful python script on Gentoo's boards for using the bluez-utils 
> d-bus interface for activating bluetooth keyboards so that they will connect 
> automatically when you turn them on.  I've also modified it and created one 
> that does the same thing for A2DP headsets, and I've decided to share :)  The 
> keyboard one can/must be used in lieu of hidd, so it's for newer versions of 
> bluez-utils (Available in the testing and unstable feeds)
> 
> You also have to bond (pair) the devices first.  Instructions for that are 
> here: http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/Bonding  (Feel free to make a 
> convenience script for the bonding process too)
> 
> You may also have to run:
> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez 
> /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetTrusted? string:AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF  (Feel 
> free to add this to the script)
> 
> If you want to use an A2DP headset you can add an entry like this to your 
> /etc/asound.conf
> 
> pcm.bluetooth {
>   type bluetooth
> device "AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF"
> profile "auto"
> }
> 
> 
> And then you can tell alsa aware applications to use it for output.  i.e.:
> 
> mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth nifty.mp3
> 
> (I believe you can also name it pcm.!default and it will become the default.)

Thanks! This is very helpful.

I'd like to add this to the wiki, but I'm just learning my way around 
Bluetooth. Can you help me find the place for it?

Perhaps in

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Advanced_Audio_Distribution_Profile_.28A2DP.29


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Re: xfwm instead of matchbox-wm on debian?

[Michael Shiloh]

Fox Mulder wrote:
> I updated the wiki instructions with my working zhone-session file as an
> example.
> 

Thank you very much!

M

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Re: getting error while trying to flash my neo freerunner

[Michael Shiloh]

Detructor wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> I hope you can help me, I've the following problem:
> 
> When I try to flash the neo on my laptop I get a
> "Starting download: [dfu_download error -71"
> 
> sometimes the download starts and then I get the error.
> 
> When I get the neo in June, I could flash it without getting this error.
> 
> My operating system: Ubuntu 8.04.1
> 
> I ask here, because I can't find anything about this error in the www
> (only 3 entries in google and none of it helps).

Moving to support

Michael

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Re: xfwm instead of matchbox-wm on debian?

[Michael Shiloh]

Fox Mulder wrote:
> Ok it seems it does work after restart. I only tried to kill matchbox-wm
> and start xfwm4 (and matchbox-keyboard-toggle) but then it doesn't work.
> Now i tried to replace the wm within the zhone-session file and rebooted
> and the keyboard comes when pressing the key. :)


Since I don't yet have Debian installed, could you please check and 
correct as necessary my instructions at


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_replace_the_matchbox_window_manager_with_the_xfce_window_manager.3F

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Re: xfwm instead of matchbox-wm on debian?

[Michael Shiloh]

Fox Mulder wrote:
> Ok it seems it does work after restart. I only tried to kill matchbox-wm
> and start xfwm4 (and matchbox-keyboard-toggle) but then it doesn't work.
> Now i tried to replace the wm within the zhone-session file and rebooted
> and the keyboard comes when pressing the key. :)


Since I don't yet have Debian installed, could you please check my 
instructions at


http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_replace_the_matchbox_window_manager_with_the_xfce_window_manager.3F

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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Michael Shiloh]

Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote:
> Tuesday 02 September 2008 Paul V. Borza wrote:
>> Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, and I
>> won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).However, I've got another
>> charger from another phone that says:
>> Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz
>> Output: 5V 1A LPS
>>
>> This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now.
>> Is that charger ok to use with the Neo?
> 
>   Well, it's less powered than the official charger, which has
> Input: 100-240V~/0.3A, 47-63Hz
> Output: +5V 2.0A
>   ...so my guess is it'd not fry anything at least :) But... give that hold-
> aux-then-plug-in thing with the USB cable, who knows, it might work :)

The provided charger is rated at 2A, but the maximum the Fr can charge 
at is 1A

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Charging_the_Neo_FreeRunner

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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Michael Shiloh]

Paul V. Borza wrote:
> Everything would be great, but I don't have the wall charger with me, 
> and I won't have it near me anytime soon (three weeks).
> However, I've got another charger from another phone that says:
> Input: 100-240V~0.2A 50-60Hz
> Output: 5V 1A LPS
> 
> This is the charger for a HTC phone, can't remember the model right now.
> Is that charger ok to use with the Neo?


It provides enough current for fast charge, but unless by complete 
coincidence it has the same ID resistor we require, you will have to 
kick up the charge current manually.



http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode

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Re: Please split this list!

[Michael Shiloh]

arne anka wrote:
>> There was some discussion about the mailing lists a couple of months
>> ago - one Openmoko employee said they were considering suggestions
>> then another (apparently) unilaterally went on ahead anyway and
>> redefined the purpose of the device-owners list, renaming it to
>> support at the same time (an option which had not been discussed).
> 
> afair it was bot times the same person, michael shiloh.
> the change from "device-owners" to "support" was proposed and took place  
> because sensible: the list was created for the few that owned already an  
> fr to discuss support questions -- for people w/o neo/fr it was of rather  
> platonic interest.
> after switching to mass market and the subsequent increase of owners the  
> name seemed not longer appropriate.

Actually it wasn't me.

Michael


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Re: RFC: delete page USB

[Michael Shiloh]

robin paulson wrote:
> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>> Paul Jimenez wrote:
>>> Don't delete it; someone will recreate it.  Make it a redirect to the 
>>> Category:USB page.
> 
> while we're on the subject, do these exist for the other major parts of 
> the phone? i.e.
> 'wifi' redirect to 'category:wifi',
> 'gps' redirect to 'category:gps',
> 'accelerometer(s)' redirect to 'category:accelerometers',
> and so on?

Dunno. I'll check. If someone can help, jump on in.

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Re: prediction feature for the keyboard

[Michael Shiloh]

Fredrik Wendt wrote:
> sön 2008-08-31 klockan 19:49 +0200 skrev Fredrik Wendt:
> [...]
> 
> What I'd LOVE would be to use the entire screen as a keyboard (in
> landscape mode). A soft layer with low opacity containing only white
> letters and almost nothing more.
> 
> http://wendt.se/software/openmoko/screens/keyboard-layer.png is quick a
> mockup of what I had in mind.

That's a GREAT idea. Anyone up to creating such a thing?

M

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Re: RFC: delete page USB

[Michael Shiloh]

Paul Jimenez wrote:
> Don't delete it; someone will recreate it.  Make it a redirect to the 
> Category:USB page.


Good tip. Done!

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RFC: delete page USB

[Michael Shiloh]

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB

Minimal information is amply duplicated elsewhere, and the list of USB 
related pages is exactly what the USB category shows.


Michael

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Any experiences with power hungry USB devices?

[Michael Shiloh]

I'm working on documenting various aspects of our USB port.

We believe that the FreeRunner USB port should be capable of delivering 
the standard USB high current of 500mA. We also believe that we respond 
properly to USB negotiation of this current, up from the minimum of 100mA.

I suddenly remembered that someone posted about using a USB keyboard 
that didn't work due to high current. However, the FreeRunner should be 
able to provide exactly as much current as a desktop PC, which I assume 
works with this keyboard.

If any of you have experienced difficulty with the FreeRunner powering 
USB devices, please speak up.

Michael

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Re: some hardware suggestions

[Michael Shiloh]

Alexey Kurochkin wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 07:04 -0400, Charles Pax wrote:
> 
>> CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an
>> application.
> 
> I would call it Garçon.

ROTFL!

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Re: [Bug Filing Policy] please read before crate ticket

[Michael Shiloh]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> regina wrote:
>> *# Please Search ticket before Report (maybe already somebody report )*
>>
>> *#* *if you are not sure it is a bug or not , please visit here  
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_Cases
>> and leave messages
>>   
> 
> What you need is a full-time faq updater :)

That's exactly what I'm becoming :-). Look for a lot of cleanup work in 
the FAQ in the next few days, and then hopefully it will be easier to 
insert to FAQs in a timely fashion.



> Most of the answers could realistically be the question 'please submit 
> patch' though I suppose :)

!!

> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Sarton
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Helping Openmoko distribution team (was: Re: Getting rid of echo for callers.)

[Michael Shiloh]

Andreas Zuber wrote:

> 
> I hope this gets fixed in the stable branch now. My tweak link list grows 
> every day.
> 
> To OpenMoko.. is there a way to help you with the distribution? I don't like 
> the idea of a personal repository for hotfixes like this, i think this should 
> go directly to the official repo's. May be we can use git in a clever way to 
> minimize the work you have with the integration of such changes. 


Some of our developers are buried trying to keep up with new and old bug 
reports. Each one needs to be verified, checked for duplication, checked 
for whether it's been solved, and this is all before any real bug fixing 
takes place.

I don't want to speak for those developers, but I wonder if the 
community can help us with some of these tasks. I know that one of our 
main developers said that he spent some 30% of his time on this.

This would free up developer time to work on getting fixes into the distro.

Michael

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Re: USB cable hacking

[Michael Shiloh]

Daniel Dadap wrote:
> Hello Community,
> 
> I just bought a portable USB battery pack ( one of these:
> http://apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=314 ) to use with my
> FreeRunner so that I could keep tangogps running to log a track for me
> during a bike ride. It worked quite well: I was able to keep the unit
> powered on for over 12 hours and still had some juice left over to
> make some phone calls at the end of the day. However, I noticed that
> the FR was only drawing 100mA. I was sort of hoping that the battery
> pack would emulate a USB host and negotiate current, but it looks like
> it just has available power.
> 
> Anyway, I saw on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_charger that the
> included AC adapter has a 47.5 kOhm resistor betwen ID and GND. Like
> many other people on this list, I have dozens of USB A to Mini-B
> cables cluttering the house, and I figured it might be a neat idea to
> cut a cable, splice it short (about 20cm or so), and add a resistor.
> This cable would be used only for charging with the battery pack. I
> don't like the idea of having to switch the FR to force fast charge,
> possibly forgetting to switch it back before plugging it into a
> computer, and possibly destroying the USB port on the computer and/or
> the FR. A dedicated charging cable would make this simpler.
> 
> Problem is, the ID pin apparently exists only on the Mini-B connector,
> and doesn't have a corresponding wire inside the USB cable. Has
> anybody on the list done USB connector hacking, and have any tips on
> how to get a resistor in there without interfering with plug in
> operation?
> 
> Also, what part of the software exactly is responsible for charger
> detection? I guess another possibility is to hack the software to
> recognize shorted data pins as a charger. I have another device with a
> charger that identifies itself by shorted data pins, but more
> importantly, shorting the data pins is a much easier mod to perform on
> a USB cable.
> 
> I suppose the easiest option would be to cut off the end of a FR
> charger (or other compatible charger with a resistor across GND and
> ID) and splice it with a USB cable... but I would like to hear other
> suggestions that people may have.

1. I'm working on an adapter using a 5 pin mini USB connector from 
Digikey (p/n H2958-ND   CONN PLUG MINI USB2.0 5POS )

2. Belkin makes a 5-conductor mini-USB to USB cable, useful as a start 
for another hacking project.
 http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=128038

3. It's possible that the ID resistor in the FR charger is in the 
wall-wart portion and not at the mini USB connector.

4. I'm composing a detailed wiki page to gather all of this info, and I 
welcome contributions.

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Re: Om2008.8: execute script on incoming call

[Michael Shiloh]

Ole Kliemann wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> 
> I'd like to have a file where I put in
> 
>   phonenumber /path/to/shellscript
> 
> Everytime an incoming call matches one of the numbers in this file,
> the device just hangs up and executes the corresponding script.
> 

Cool application. This plus Arduino could be the bases of some nice 
remote control.

Someone suggested awhile ago a rules based engine. This sounds like a 
perfect start to that engine, if it is appropriately generalized.

Anyone know if that rules based engine was started?

Michael


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Re: Sold out ahh

[Michael Shiloh]

Michael Shiloh wrote:
> 
> arne anka wrote:
>>> Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in
>>> the pictures :(
>> could you post a link to that pics?
>> i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in  
>> "lanyard hole")
> 
> Don't tell me we forgot to ship you the lanyard hole! That would be a 
> severe oversight on our part.

Forgot to add that if we did, let me know - I think I have a spare one 
in my pocket :-)

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Re: Sold out ahh

[Michael Shiloh]

arne anka wrote:
>> Like I said, no dramas ... I was just hoping I'd get a lanyard, it's in
>> the pictures :(
> 
> could you post a link to that pics?
> i absotively cannot remember any mention of a lanyard ... (except in  
> "lanyard hole")

Don't tell me we forgot to ship you the lanyard hole! That would be a 
severe oversight on our part.

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Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?

[Michael Shiloh]

tokenwizard wrote:
> Well, I guess you guys were right about the battery. 0.02V!! What I don't get
> is how the hell the battery could go from almost half a charge to completely
> dead in the instant I plugged in the USB??

Sounds like the built-in under voltage protection circuit. When the 
voltage falls below a certain level it flips a switch to avoid total 
discharge, and as soon as it's charged above some level it flips back on.


> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yorick Moko wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:43 AM, tokenwizard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> I have one for you...
>>> I have been "using" my freerunner for about three weeks now. I ordered it
>>> through Koolu.com as soon as it was possible and I got it about three
>>> weeks
>>> later. The OM2007 on it was next to useless so I updated and found a bit
>>> more functionality. Later I installed Qtopia and I really liked that most
>>> of
>>> the functionality was there, but I still wanted to run an OM distro, so I
>>> tried the ASU 2008.8. I really dislike where that one is going as far as
>>> the
>>> illume UI. So I went back to 2008.4 and kept it that way for a bit. TOday
>>> I
>>> plugged my phone into the USB on my PC to charge as I always have (while
>>> the
>>> phone was running) and the screen immediately went black. No, with this
>>> being a development phone, this didn't really phase me at first. This
>>> thing
>>> has seen its fair share of mysterious power issues. But this time was
>>> different. No matter what I do, I cannot get the damn thing to come back
>>> to
>>> life. I know it's not the battery because it was almost half full when I
>>> plugged it in.  But I have tried holding the Power button for 10 seconds,
>>> and the Power/Aux and Aux/Power combos. I've tried these thing both with
>>> and
>>> without the AC adapter attached and after pulling the battery for about a
>>> minute.
>>>
>>> It seems as I have a dead phone now. I don't even hear that distinctive
>>> little hiss that you normally hear when you first press the Power button!
>>>
>>> Anybody seen this before??
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> steve-2 wrote:
>>>>   I have a tiny tiny head so all the hats fit.
>>>>
>>>> we are putting together a policy for people who bought from the openmoko
>>>> store. there are several issues. We offer a 14 day DOA Warrenty and a 28
>>>> day warrenty for 10 packs. The issue is what does DOA mean? Dead on
>>>> Arrival.
>>>>
>>>> If your GSM doesnt work, but getting a download fixes it? is that DOA?
>>>> If your GSM doesnt work but getting a new card fixes it? is that DOA?
>>>> same with GPS, did the software download fix it?
>>>>
>>>> If you send the phone back and it works  fine, what to do?
>>>> if you send back a phone and it works fine, who pays for shipping?
>>>>
>>>> Now in the US at retail you can return something if the sky is blue.
>>>> We can't work that way and build a open source phone. well, we can
>>>> but the cost of blue sky returns would have to be added to the phone.
>>>>
>>>> In the end, as micheal will tell you, I work every case. So, If you have
>>>> a problem, email me or micheal. tell us that you tried the fixes we
>>>> suggested. And we will work from there.
>>>>
>>>> Michael Shiloh wrote:
>>>>> ian douglas wrote:
>>>>>> Sean/Michael/Community:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD "fixes"
>>>>>> and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm
>>>>>> hoping that at some point the "squeaky wheel" cliche will work itself
>>>>>> out and we'll get an answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about warranty,
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does cover?
>>>>>> My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> a 14-day "warranty", and group purchases were given a 28-day
>>>>>> "warranty",
>>>>>> but we've never been told what the warranty includes.
>>

Re: Nokia wired headsets compatibility

[Michael Shiloh]

Marcel wrote:
> Am Dienstag 26 August 2008 18:15:28 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
>> I'm working through my list of hundreds of saved emails with helpful
>> hints for inclusion in the wiki. Somewhere buried in here is an adapter
>> that a European customer purchased and reported as working.
> 
> That one's already noted on the Headset page (MP35A).

That's the one. THanks Marcel!

M

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Re: Nokia wired headsets compatibility

[Michael Shiloh]

Matt Joyce wrote:
> I tried 4 shops today, looking for an adapter, no luck at all.  Mostly
> blank, unknowing stares.
> 
> I found/ordered one from ebay, so fingers crossed.
> While this does not direcly address your problem, the ebay description
> mentioned a dozen or more devices which the adapter was compatiblw
> with.
> Thet may give you a clue as to what headsets will work.
> I'll post the text it later today.
> 
> 
> On a less helpful note, I think it's unhelpful of OM not to either
> sell, supply or link to a suitible adapter.

I'm working through my list of hundreds of saved emails with helpful 
hints for inclusion in the wiki. Somewhere buried in here is an adapter 
that a European customer purchased and reported as working.

On behalf of Openmoko, I apologize that we do not yet have this 
information available.


> My fault for not researching my options before buying my FR, but who
> would have thought the adapter would be so ellusive.  Of course when
> the adaptor arrives, what chance of it working (alsa etc).
> <\grumble>


> 
> 
> 
> On 8/26/08, Alberto Morales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> In this page at the wiki [1] describes the pinout of the headset
>> connector. It also says that the four-ring 2.5mm stereo jack is used by
>> motorola smartphones and the v-360. Both motorola smartphones and v-360
>> are very difficult to get in stores because v-360 is more than three
>> years old. I've spend today three hours in a dozen stores in my city and
>> i only found one, new but in very bad state, and very expensive (~25
>> eur).
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Headset
>>
>> Some new nokia mobiles have the same kind of connector. This wiki page
>> [2] says that the nokia 3.5-2.5 adapters doesn't work, but says nothing
>> about nokia headsets. Some nokia headset model numbers with the same
>> plug are: HS-45/AD-54, WH-700, HS-44/AD-44, HS-47, HS-40. Have you tried
>> any of these on the Neo?
>>
>> [2]
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner#Buttons_and_connectors
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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