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Sébastien Lorquet wrote:
> It's easy to blame an announcement.
>
> Openmoko NEVER said any software realeased as now was 100% ready for
> daily customer use.
>
> When it will become, be sure the announcement and publicity will be far
> greate
, and no
one force you to use it.
People like you bring firms to have a close development process.
Regards
Michele Renda
Olivier Berger wrote:
> Wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Dear community,
>>
>> here is the QA report which has been created before Om 2008.8 w
language: English, Italian, Romanian. Who know another language and want
to help me please contact me.
Who has some suggestion or found some bugs please reply to this email or
contact direct to me.
Best regards
Michele Renda
steve wrote:
> Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed.
>
> The wh
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> My wish list:
> 3G, or at least UMTS
3g != UMTS ? (I thing you wanted to say EDGE :)
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Ship with nothing and everyone put what want
So nobody can say it is not a complete software :)
steve wrote:
> Good question.
>
> Here are the options.
>
> 1. Ship with 2007.2. Basicaly a dialer that works. bare bones phone.
> 2. Ship with Qtopi
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Tooked from the thead 2008 WTF:
> As it seems they have the contrary.
> They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without
> accepting ideas from the developers or the community.
-
> The problem is some features the community real
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ted braak wrote:
> It is not stable, software is not fast, and power management is not reliable.
> Announcing something this way leads to disappointments.
> I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team.
> Also I don't see
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Thank you for all the explanation.
Now a lot of things are more clear.
Continue your wonderful job!
Michele Renda
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I am in accord with you:
We must to know well what to ask to SMedia. And we must to be coordinated.
We are the end user, and our money go to SMedia too. So is right that
they must to listen to us.
Because if every of us start to write to SMedia aski
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I am in accord with you:
We must to know well what to ask to SMedia. And we must to be coordinated.
We are the end user, and our money go to SMedia too. So is right that
they must to listen to us.
Because if every of us start to write to SMedia aski
please do it.
Regards
Michele Renda
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It will be nice if in a future the Software and the Hardware will be
produced by different firms, like now it happen with Pc!
So OM can think only to give us a good and open hardware, while another
firm (Canonical? Trolltech?) can give us some good so
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Juergen Schinker wrote:
> his Graphics chip-set can do 3D Acceleration AFAIK
Yes, but you can use it only if you promise that you will not show to
others how to use it (NDA)!
So, for me is like it doesn't exist!
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> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 15:19 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
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Norbert Hartl wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 14:35 +0200, Tobias Kündig wrote:
>> This is the worst review I ever read from Golem.
>>
>> So many mistakes. They bought their Freerunner and wrote the review. I
>> bet they haven't tested it for more than
.
Best regards
Michele Renda
Michele Manzato wrote:
> According to Italian/European Union law:
>
> 1) the customer can return the package within 14 days from the receipt of the
> good bought on-line. No matter if it's perfectly working or if it is DOA.
> This is not yet a war
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arne anka wrote:
> wasn't there talk some time ago that om could not release the genuine
> nda'd docs, but could do their own from them which could be released, but
> they lack the manpower to do so?
> if so, isn't there a way one of the hardware
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I think is because for now there are too many things to do, and OM has
not all the people to work on all there.
And for now the graphical acceleration is not one of the first priority.
Remember that they are only a few of persons (and a fewer with the
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Yorick Moko wrote:
> Openmoko could give some employees of smedia a FreeRunner :)
I think they have already a IPhonez :)
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Why we all from this mailing list, we don't start to send a simple and
educated email asking to release their documentation out of NDA?
I think if they saw all our email with First name / Last Name asking it,
may be they will start to think about what
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Carcinoma wrote:
> Hi Community,
Hi (nice name :)
>
> I'm not happy about writing this Mail, but i think there is not better place.
>
> Does anyone received his Freerunner from Pulsters?
>
> I'm waiting 1 1/2week, since Pulster received the Fre
imei, I can confirm that is against laws to change it.
Regards
Michele Renda
Learning It wrote:
> What about reverce engineering? I saw that some ppl were doing their mobile
> phones. It means somewhere exists such information.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 8/3/08, Michael 'Mickey'
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William Lai wrote:
> Om 2008.8 (ASU) will be available on August 8th.
>
08-08-08? -> Nice :) I hope it bringh a lot of luck :)
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What to say... free software is done by open passions :)
And we deeply like it :)
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r and you can trasform all you ideas
in wonderful code.
Making a lot of polemics, will trasform us in politician, not in
developer. So, if you feel, make your idea code, but please let Openmoko
free to follow their.
Have you a nice day
- - Michele Renda
- -- developer of nothing
>
> Have a
be fixed fast.
>
> I am very excited about itjust ready to kick off the mud already ;-)
... and I read also about Ubuntu ARM
>
> Thank you Michele, forgive me if I sounded harsh. I am a satisfied, if
> temporarily frustrated, customer.
I think y
At some point I read: Ubuntu ported to ARM... and my mind is
starting to do strange trips :)
On Wednesday 30 July 2008 00:57:07 JW wrote:
> ok someone cleverer than me will do something cool with this
and their
> freerunner at some point
>
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080729-neur
be it can be surprice you.
Regards
Michele Renda
Christopher White wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:02 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
>> I think this require some hours hour man-time (let suppose 3-4 h)
>
> I'll agree that responding as Jay has takes considerable time, but I
>
this in my personal opinion!
Michele Renda
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Marcus Bauer wrote:
> FSO is the brainchild of Dr. Michael Lauer, fresh from the university's
> ivory tower but lacking any industry experience. It is reinventing the
> wheel and drains lots of ressources that are needed elsewhere inside of
> Openmoko
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Jay Vaughan wrote:
> It is *important* that such things as a usable GUI, which
> looks nice, are presented very, very rapidly - there is no other way
> for our projects to snowball than to attract the interest of those who
> will use the hardware
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Jay Vaughan wrote:
> Because at this point, it seems to me that you've just pissed in the
> koolaid. Basically, you're just selling incomplete, mediocre hardware
> in order to cash in on the "Open Community" meme, or what?
Hi Jay. First person t
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Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
> Change anything you want to our
> interface and we will gladly deliver it to everyone. Your music for
> sound events. Your themes. Speak with your work, not so much with your
> emails. Let's organize the best parts of mobile
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If you promise me that you will keep update... it will become my default
theme on my FR!
GREAT WORK!
Lars Formella wrote:
> hi,
>
> because i personally dislike the build in asu/illume theme - in german we
> call it "augenkrebs" ;) - i created a new
all his resourses on the hardware part,
while the SOFTWARE part is managed my another organization (Like it
happen now with PC and OS)
But in every case, it is only a my idea :)
Regards
Michele Renda
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may be interested on it (any sugestion is welcome).
Michele Renda
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discussion when skeptics ask me
> what's so special about Openmoko.
>
> So tell me your stories! They are valuable content for my talks.
>
> Michael
>
> Michele Renda wrote:
> Hi Michael
>
> I am just finishing my first application for the Freerunner. It
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Hi Michael
I am just finishing my first application for the Freerunner. It is
python written and use gtk.
Are these toolkits allowed to the "campain"?
It is a very simple application, require no connectivity or big
resource, but I never saw somethin
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Send me a 10pf capacitor :) and I will very happy (Here I don't know
where to buy a single 10pF capacitor!)
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Thank you for the link
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> in the end i imagine people might do custom layouts for a language (eg german
> would only have ä, ö, ü and ß). romainian some other set, danish another set.
I think i can help we collect a series of layout to
have something to fast switch the layout ofthe keyboard.
Michele Renda
Ole Holm Frandsen wrote:
> Hey Everybody
>
> I have been thinking of buying this new Neo Freerunner. I come from
> Denmark and therefore when i want to write a SMS etc. I have to be
> able to use some national/sp
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I happily ponied up the $400 each for the 1973 as well as the
> Freerunner, despite the fact that the 1973 is disappointing enough in
> that power issues make it useless as a day-to-day device.
I think is very good for who
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mmm... here (in Italy) to repair a phone you need 50 Euro!
Marcus Bauer wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 17:05 +0200, Alexander Köb wrote:
>> Hey Michele,
>>
>> Michele Renda schrieb:
>>> I am an Electronic Engineer but
ele,
>
> Michele Renda schrieb:
>> I am an Electronic Engineer but I will bring to a place where repair
>> telephone, and with 5 Euro they will do for me.
>>
>
>
> if you know of a place where they do that for 5 EUR, please let me know,
> I'
I am an Electronic Engineer but I will bring to a place where repair
telephone, and with 5 Euro they will do for me.
2008/7/18 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:33:45 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote
> > > http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
> >
> > Great! I will
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Thank you Tony. You did a very great work and you putted me to love more
this phone.
Only one question: which type of capacitor I have to put? I see it is
not a electrolitic one :)
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
> Dear Community:
>
> For GTA02 SD car
I will try to take care of the italian version of the wiki.
Please add me to the ML
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Which company can give with 350 Euro all this FUN ?
Great work (waiting for my FR)
julien cubizolles wrote:
> Just a few words to let those working hard how grateful I am for making
> the FreeRunner happen. I know there are still many bugs/room for
>
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To say the true I never saw a firm to admit the problem and to start to
work for a fix in 11h!
Steven Kurylo wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:50:50PM -0500, Robert Horton wro
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Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> Please stay tuned and be patient, we'll come up with news *really soon*.
... we are here waiting for *special effects* :)
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But acconding you, OM team is happy because there is a hardware bug in
Freerunner?
I am one of the persons that just bougth a 350 EURO phone: when I bought
the phone I was already knowing that was not an End User device.
They tried to make the hardwa
I think is a very good idea.
I am not a technician, but the possibility to see the schematics of my phone,
without the need to install any cad program... give me the feeling that my
phone is "more mine" :)
On Saturday 12 July 2008 17:56:01 steve wrote:
> Well, perhaps We should consider releas
phone very very
near to be completly free.
Thank you, OM Developers
Michele Renda
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To me come in mind this:
http://openpandora.org/
Michael Stather wrote:
> Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb:
>
>> On 6/28/08 Robert Schuster wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Mickey writes: "Openmoko is selling hardware products."
>>>
>>> Heck, why must OpenMoko only sell mobile phones?
>>>
>>> I like Linux-based
Because people like to hate.
The world will be better that all the differences are a point of
strongness. Nature already understood it. People usually arrive later.
MR.
arne anka wrote:
>> excuse me, but why would one _hate_ qt/qtopia?
>> not being their toolkit of choice, ok.
>> not liking the v
what to make a contest? :)
Dale Schumacher wrote:
> I thought I would share some inspirational (to me at least) wallpaper
> that may actually have some practical value as well. I would enjoy
> seeing other Openmoko-inspired wallpaper designs. I hope you enjoy mine.
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org
No code, no party :)
(Italian can understand better this :)
steve wrote:
>
>
> Could we weight votes by code committed. No code. No vote.
>
>
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Hi,
I am a OMmer but I can help you because I studied a bit the cost to sell
the OM in Europe.
399 $ is the price of FR in US.
We can image that EU reseller can buy FR in 10 pack, so 369 $ for unit
(I don't know how much tehy pay, It is a supposition done to help calc)
369 $ => 240 Euro
To t
Hi Steve
I think I was a bit mis-understood.
I didn't told that all the decisions must to be took with a votation
system! If we would do so I think we will not have a phone, but a microwave.
My idea was only: when Openmoko has to take a decision between two
equivalent solution and WANT to know
Thank you for your price review.
I hope it will help people to activelly join on FR debug and implemention.
Thank you
Michele Renda
Christoph Pulster wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks to your response I deceide to sell the debug board v3 (belonging
> to GTA02) for 99 EUR now.
> This p
Hi
Di didn't say that decisions must to be taken in democratic way. I said
only that OM can, from time to time, and only when he need, to open a
votation on:
We must to do something how you prefer?
1. In way A
2. In way B
3. I don't matter
4. In way A and in way B
Than, in the end, OM is not
Hello
I was thinking more to a votation system about the decisions that are
shared with community.
Do you want feature X or feature Y?
I think this can help a lot OM to take some decisions, and can remain
for storical reasons. I know there are a lot of online services that
give its for free.
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ard), and because I see very
well from near, I'd like to have very definited details more than moving
content. For the rest I think OM enginer know what will be better.
This is my optnion
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Hi,
I don't think that is an error: also if Openmoko sell it at 99$, it must
to arrive in europe, than you must to add VAT (20% ?) that you have to
add environmental taxes, and to add warranty (1 year at least).
So is very possible it cost so. And in every case it cost less that all
the debug b
Christian Benke wrote:
Good evening!
Good morning
So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an
openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better
resolution)?
I'd love to have a open smartphone, but there are so many compromises
with the openmoko project(h
10 years ago (1997) I bought my first pc ( Cyrix 133 MHz - 16 Mb ram - 2
Gb HD - 1Mb video ram) and it costed 2000 Euro (and when it was they
valued a bit more than today).
I think a 400Mhz FreeRunner look a bit better :)
Maybe someone was referring to how the Freerunner is *more* powerful tha
.
Michele Renda
Christoph Pulster wrote:
I am Chris from pulster.eu - my hello to this great community.
May I add some points from my side:
- Freerunner - ready to order ASAP it is available. We do not
take pre-orders of items we dont have in hands. For a one-time info-
mail once the
Hi Lorn
In my life I always used GTK programs. In this moment I am writing from
a Fedora 9 / Gnome powered notebook. I always avoid to insert QT
applications in my system (neither K3B).
In this moment I must to be very in angry because the main application
on FreeRunner will not be GTK based
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From: Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
Michele Renda wrote:
Hi Tilman
I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they
need something running and to concentrate t
Hi Tilman
I think they prefered to use an existent project, because they need
something running and to concentrate their energy to hardware part. They
want to concentrate to the project of hardware, not in GUI writing.
According me is a good idea to reuse the software wrote by other people.
Joachim Steiger wrote:
- pay the (to europe quite high but not unusual) higher shipping fee
- if not in the us: pay the VAT/sales tax of the target country on
recieving the package to the ups guy (usually in cash)
Hi, I'd be interested which firm will manage delivery: UPS, TNT, etc,
for o
Yes, it is possible. But often Hardware producer are linked to carriers.
I remember how phone producer try to disable VoIp function from their
devices. And this is not nice.
I don't know how Nokia will like an open phone. But we can not to know!
Lalo Martins wrote:
Nokia makes money out of ha
What to say, I hope it will be a success, because I'd like to buy a
GTAn with n->inf. :)
Dirk Deimeke wrote:
Hi Michele,
yes, it is not only about money.
But it is not only about free software.
I am still waiting for the phone because I really like the philosophy
"attached" to the phone.
B
Hi Dirk,
If the Freerunner is only about earning money, I think I will buy
another phone, not FR that is neither Umts.
Openmoko is not doing charity, but he want to follow some principles. In
these principles there is also the choose to show us a part of internal
process.
If he was interested
Hi Steve
I am helping to organize an Italian Sales Group - Torino.
I know is a bit too much early to ask this, but it will be usefull to
know which company will deliver FreeRunner ordered direct from USA by
OpenMoko shop.
Here we are frontier tax and it'd like to contact them to know how much
Hi Michael,
I think you and your team are doing a courageous but good choose.
I ask only that if in the future this choose will limit Openmoko
openess, you will "protect" us!
A lot of people that are afraid that Nokia, as owner of Trolltech, can
be against Openmoko freedom, but I think you are n
Dirk Deimeke wrote:
maybe, but a concrete date was given.
I don't want to start a flame, so I will try to troll less as possible.
They give different dates, but they always told us that are only
indicative. If they will found a stopping problem in what they
produce,they will stop productio
Roland Häder wrote:
For the rest I am in accord to don't press them to ask always when it
will come out...
"When it's done." ;)
When your wife is waiting for a child, I don't think the houseband ask:
when it will come out? Why it is not already out ? :)
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nickd wrote:
And #2. They love hearing your continuous interest in the constant
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"Are we there yet?" "No." "Are we there yet?" "No." &q
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I don't think they are implementing other features... it is a bit too late.
I think they are testing what they already have.
:)
Tim Niemeyer wrote:
Hallo Michele,
* Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [19-05-08 11:01]:
shhh... don't get up the child :)
Let them to work in
shhh... don't get up the child :)
Let them to work in peace, our baby is becoming bigger :)
Steffen Winkler wrote:
Hey guys,
A few days ago, Steve said that the mass production will start on May 16...now,
we have May 19 and I haven't found any announcement/confirmation that they are
producin
Mo Abrahams wrote:
I have a bad habit of always wanting the best of the best,
:) I think that with Freerunner you will have a lot to enjoy. A open
development show you all the bug/problem of a product. There is no
marketing office that say you that their product is the best!
I don't think Free
Stroller wrote:
Operating-system language support is obviously something that's
important to you, but if you take a look at the economic realities, I
think you'll agree that there's no reason for it to be a priority
right now (sorry).
According me this sentence explains a lot :).
It is very e
There was a Sunday evening update. I think steve will say something
starting from 16th May!
Let it grow ... let it grow ...
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
steve wrote:
Yes, A Sunday preview of my Monday update.
Am I wrong or we didn't get any Monday update this week? :P
Something more than
steve wrote:
ya. micheal and I talked about doing that exact thing, but we have too much
other crap to do.
HEY, somebody go do this. it's dirt simple.
Please, sell me the Freerunner :) I can not to check my email in every
35 seconds!
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Mo Abrahams wrote:
This is coming from a person who has never paid more than £20 for a
phone, and has never had a new one (always second hand). I never cared
about mobile phones until openmoko.
Same here. In this moment I am using two phone payed 10 Euros (without
abonament :)
But now I want
Hello
I am not a phone production expert, but I will try to explain my point
of view.
Kunal Singh wrote:
Hi,
I am located in India, and I have decided to go for Free-runner.
But, I am really wondering about why this phone is so costly?
Apple will be releasing the iPhone in India lat
I think it is like 10+1 phone!
Shawn wrote:
If a member of our group wants to purchase the debug board, can we
order that at the same time (and have it shipped together), or should
he order that on his own?
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Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
Don't worry! No problem :)
I don't know what is happening, but I see in Internet also I a lot of
person speaking with no-understandable comparations with other phone,
watching more what is missing on this phone, and not what there is already.
And in the end
mail that are a complain from mail that
are ideas. It was only an idea. It will avoid a lot of flames, that I
think is the last thing we need.
Regards
Michele Renda
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, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My Idea was this:
Openmoko can manage all the orders and to receive the payments: they can
build a sites, that collect the orders, and with an option to indicate to
which Sales Group to receive (Update in real time with the number of
allocated
My Idea was this:
Openmoko can manage all the orders and to receive the payments: they can
build a sites, that collect the orders, and with an option to indicate
to which Sales Group to receive (Update in real time with the number of
allocated phones).
The person that is available to receive
Only one copy also for me. It is like you registered two / three times.
Are you sure you don't have mail fowarding activated to another email
address registered to this mailing list?
ian douglas wrote:
Hey all,
I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages
coming to th
A long time ago I bougt a phone, a Motorola A835. He ad a led under a
joysick, but it was disabled. And it was also multicolor.
It was so disabled that I know about it only after one year playing with
a flesh software.
I didn't died with without the let.
May be that Motorola had the same pro
Thank you for this answer. I think that this is the only (or one of a
few) firm in the world that treat this customers as *partner* no only as
*consumers*.
I know is not easy for a firm to speak about *defects* of a product that
their are starting to produce, but in my opinion is better so, so
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