d left-to-right formatting...
(english quoted inside arabic text, or vice-versa). one day i should make use
of pango for some of this - but at the time i wrote my font engine pango was
new and fairly sluggish. one day there will be enough impetus for some
have stuck
> >> > with GTK, but in the grand scheme of things I will
> >> > be doing less coding
> >> > than other people I imagine.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 07:31 -0700, Michael Shiloh
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> > Have we made the decision then to officially move
> > away from GTK? This
> > > was asked on the community list awhile ago, and
> > IIRC there has been no
> > > "official" answer.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > Car
cision. we simply are not shipping any gtk apps in the
update. we ship gtk though.
> Michael
>
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> >
> > as we are not shipping any gtk apps... not much of an issue at the moment.
> >
uages
> embedded than apps...
it already does. every man and his dog wants "java" or "C#" or "ruby" or "perl"
or "python" on it. deal with it. heterogeneity is a fact of life. no 1 size fits
all. or from now on shall we decree that everyth
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> >
> I will do my best to show you more respect
ram is huge. i did lots of gui dev on
linux back when i had 32m of ram... and that was lots. you have ram to spare
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> >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote
e fact that the majority of people in the world - and by far
and wide the majority of people who will buy or own an openmoko produced phone,
will be right-to-left language users and the definite majority of those will
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> > our stats show just that.
> >
> Except that those stats disregarded input, and I do not see how you can
> disregard input.
no - stats were sales of gta01's. who actually bought one. where they live. i
am not going to go through them all but the vast vast vast majority are
westerners speaking reading, writing a latin-based language or a pure latin one
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art in
fixing it - so i see it as not so big a problem as such, just some hard work.
in thinking gtk vs efl is a simple choice you show you need to do some research
on EFL. it is not. it is a very different beast that does a lot of other things
gtk doesn't come close it. gtk is much better at
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> > On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:56:41 +0200 "Flemming Richter Mikkelsen"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> >
> >>
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> > please READ THE EMAIL. suddenly the use of efl means "We are efl based". the
> > non-use of shipepd gtk apps means "
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> >> 2) The ASU software features a qwerty-keyboard. It is
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stop writing in with
> our letter and start to write in chinese with their ideograms (i like
> them but i can't understand nothing)...
http://translate.google.com/translate_t
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- that will be when what you typed is not in the
dict and it displays just raw what u typed). then u need to worry :) but again
- it learns as u type so words only need be used once before they get a dict
entry in your personal user dict. over time all your own vocab should go in.
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now its a big blob of stuff - but i do intend to abstract it and make the
barrier of entry to write just part of a keyboard (and not have to write the
whole thing if you don't want to) to b4e easy. move as much into config
or adapters?)
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et standards, N800
> Internet Tablet seems to have one (stereo sound + mic), but it's
> probably not a "standard" (it says "Nokia AV connector 3.5mm" in the
> specs).
>
> That said, somehow hardware assisting Ogg Vorbis decoding would also
> be benef
ike assuming 480x640 resolution,
bootplash for example would be tied to this or affected by a change, battery
status another, and not to mention needing a different kernel with different
drivers etc., gsm subsystem etc...
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what you can get - if/when you can get it... if ever... :)
again - without the details and specs it's all speculation... and without
them... it's not open :)
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:06 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
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(gsm or graphics
or input devices etc.).
> > And they use WINE to run android dev stuff on linux? My god - that
> > beggars the imagination.
>
> I think he's talking about other applications. I think picasa uses wine.
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> >>> beggars the imagination.
> >&g
ve a bit of cost) since we'e
going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewer pixels you have to
fill, the better for speed. i'm really tossing up if the speed of qvga is worth
the loss of resolution. i'm just not sure.
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reeRunner should be faster.
don't be so sure about that! :)
> I'm s happy, please turn the mass production switch on and let us
> keep the freerunner in our hands :D
>
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> >> Carsten Haitzler
to mention
sd-card IO data also shares this glamo bus... :) so don't go doing any heavy IO
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> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
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> > quick question - would you prefer a qvga lcd (save a bit of cost)
> > since we'e going to need to software-drive all graphics - the fewe
ound processes (e.g. SD-read or such)
> My interest are standard smartphone and geo apps and for
> those I'd rather go for resolution.
again - it depends what you want to do. :) gta01 actually performance better in
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very carefully at a high-end soc with good on-board graphics acceleration, but
that would have put the freerunner on hold as a product for a looong time. so
you would all still be waiting and waiting. no one wo
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gta02. unfortunate facts :( it isn't.
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>
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> > On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:35:23 +0200 "Pietro \"m0nt0\" Montorfano"
> >
ible to change?
> how i can change this?
slide finger up the keyboard (down is "enter", left is backspace, right is
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blur - a qvga screen looks identical to them. only to a minority who have very
good eyesight does it really make a difference, but this is just my "bet". i'm
asking the question - and hoping for real honest answers.
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> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:4
ng to make is that the quality of LCM being used
> > matters as much as qvga or vga. Qvga is sufficient for almost all
> > needs on a mobile phone size device and would be great if it
> > provides cost and speed improvements. But it h
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:58:08 +0200 "Federico Lorenzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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you can just drive it at qvga...
> Boo, the Glamo seems to kill everything :(
>
> On 6/6/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, 05 Jun 2008
ve
> > only 1/2 the pixels in
> > software. end result would be much lower dpi, but much
> > smoother and nicer
> > performance. but then go all the cries of "i must have
> > vga!!!" (though i wonder
> > just how many people
really see the
> > difference? be really
> > honest. stop thinking "my specs are bigger than your
> > specs". scan u REALLY see
> > all the pixels on a vga screen of that size. i bet to most
> > people its all a
> > blur - a qvga screen looks identical t
m and they are always increasing font sizes to be able to read anything,
thus why spend so many pixels on it? but if you really can see that well - it
does make sense. at least if u are always looking at static content. i content
moves/animates, it's useless again.
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with the equipment you have. good!
so yes - the blurry scaled down in gimp @ qvga would be a qvga screen on a
freerunner. vga would be sharper. then again - until u have a 285dpi screen
it's hard to really compare! :) but this is the best you can do! nice! :)
opinion noted for the future!
ity QVGA.
> >>
> >> Personally I love the resolution and form factor of the PSP Slim LCM and
> >> would love to see something similar on GTA0X.
> >>
> >> Rakshat
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> So it actually slower? Why can that be?
i can go into details... but basically - glamo. the bus bandwidth. :/
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On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:34:30 +0200 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Am 06.06.2008 um 09:45 schrieb Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman):
> Yes, slowness is the most critical complaint. But how should I
> convince anyone
> to buy an OM if I a
ms to be
> something different?)
it's not worth a binary blob and won't happen with a binary blob. we have made
it clear that we are about things being open. we will stick to that. until we
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> density on a single page. So, a better screen reduces the number of
> flipping/switching operations.
we are going finger. we have no plans to provide a stylus holder (at this
stage) and the stylus provided is kind of an after thought... :) thus we will
have a grubby smudged screen with fingerprints and need to make buttons and
things to hit big, so your finger can do it.
> Finally, I think since the GTA03 platform should not rule out either
> finger or pen operation, it must fulfill the higher requirements.
we're aiming for finger.
> I think I have made my reasons and comments clear. So, others should
> also get a voice and vote...
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> > transferring pixel commands to the GPU.
> >
> > Number crunching though is almost twice as fast on the 02.
> >
> > Can we talk about something else now?
> >
> > :M:
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> On 6 Jun 2008, at 23:19, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Let's reverse the question - would you reduce the resolution of your
> >> desktop system?
> &
Well were all those 'never see them' people linux users and interested
> in openmoko? Haha we might just all be gifted people ! :D
>
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> > >On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 10:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Ken Young
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> > >> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > >>
> > >&
?
>
> In the view of openness and unknown future applications, I would pay
> the price
> to go beyond the best compromise. Even if it needs a more expensive
> processor
> to get the speed.
this is the thing - for now, processor isnt changing. so - it's resolution, or
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people would really think about qvga. i'm fairly
agnostic about vga vs qvga myself - i'm on the fence with it. i see the
benefits both ways. if we could have i'd have liked an intermediate res (eg
480x272), but we won't.
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> > they have so many of...) :)
> >
> > > Regards
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 16:51 +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote:
> > > > 0n Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 12:46:57PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
x27;t they make the components available to
> > anyone other than the manufacturers for phones meant for the japanese
> > market, even those who wouldn't care about open specs?
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> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > japanese phones are all about tech specs - and that's it. well that and
> > looking sexy (nice design/cases). usability is pretty poor. their
definition, nor see any research or statistics, nor anything else
concrete - it is all conjecture.
we could just not ever even ask you guys and you get what you are given. too
bad. no input at all. i've opened up the floor for input - but i'm trying to
dig specific things out of it - not
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onents -
you buy in large orders. those also get the better/best prices. others may or
may not find components in smaller quantities later in the product cycle (eg if
chip came out last week - no chance to get it unless you buy 500k+. if you want
12 months, they may sell in smaller b
On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 23:26:15 +0300 "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 2008/6/8 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > iphone dpi is very much lower than the neo, but a large margin, but users
> > rave how nice it is.
> >
>
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:56:22 +0800 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
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> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:58:15 +0200 "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
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> > > we could just not ever even ask you guys and you get what
to sell GTA03 with QVGA and GTA03V version
> with VGA screen, if those two are indeed very similar ? I'm certain
> there are enough of us geeks ready to give up some glitter for pixels.
>
> Regards
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> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) pravi:
> >
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> 2008/6/9 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On 6/9/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >> an 80x24 terminal
r even 2.8" are out there and selling. on shelves - from major manufacturers.
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> [...]
> > an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
> > scrol
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> > an 80x24 terminal is possible to make it readable @ qvga - if we allow
> > scrolling. (and possible in landscape
eb pages are
"designed" for 14" or 17" screens or so. squeezing them down into 2.8" is nigh
madness. it's possible - but vga vs qvga there isn't the factor (imho) :)
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n fact very likely something
> > will be a lower res in later products as there is just so much more choice
> > there below vga.
> >
> > > How painfull would it be, to sell GTA03 with QVGA and GTA03V version
> > > with VGA screen, if those two are indeed very simi
aprox equal on
> -- wi-fi
> -- accelerometer
> -- bluetooth
>
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> > > > babbled:
> > > >
> > > > not going to happen - that's 2 product runs.
> > expensive to maintain. gta03 is
> > > > vga right now - unless there is a very big push
>
as it stands, but can go to qvga easily,
but is unlikely to. in the future who knows. it'd be a tradeoff of screen pixel
count vs processor speed vs any graphics acceleration we can get - if any.
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> > pixel
> > count vs processor speed vs any graphics acceleration we can get - if any.
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> > Hi Carsten,
>
> There was a WQVGA screen you once mentio
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:46:59 +0100 "Justyn Butler" babbled:
> 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > i'd love a better cpu - better memory bus and much more. right now the only
> > thing we have is gta03 - same cpu as fr
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:53:49 +0300 "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> 2008/6/9 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> > an 80x24 terminal
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > nb - your chars just become tall (3x7). eg:
> >
> > %
> &g
this now, but that doesn't mean Openmoko
> > has to do it. Do we really want Openmoko to be just another iPhone
> > clone? I know we see a fair number of posts on here about the iPhone,
> > but surely that's just a result of the current buzz
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:00:54 -0300 "robert lazarski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:57:36 +0300 "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
but can. i have said it many times already.
> 04 even better i'd bet on it. 05 virtually no-one even thinking of now, not
> to mention sourceability of parts when it's coming to real.
>
> And now I'm definitely stopping to feed this tro.. er, thread, which btw
&
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:40:08 +0100 Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
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> On 10 Jun 2008, at 02:17, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > browsing full web pages scrammed into a 2.8" screen as many have
> > suggested, is
> > really... pushin
yone on such
> simple calculations.
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fact that carriers in the usa have no options of
"byo" (bring your own) handset. they always subsidise something and thus have
it built into their pricing model. other carriers elsewhere in the world have
different prices if all you do is buy a sim card... :)
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we'd be in
trouble of a nasty display. 2.8" i think is the limit. most qvga's i've seen at
2.2->2.8". maybe up to 3". but qvga can be usable for an 80x24 terminal. it's
been done before for those who have followed handhelds.org and the early days
of lin
han vga so wvga (800x480) is the
only way up into the future.
ouch. poor cpu.
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e with your photos with Windows Live Photo Gallery.
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gta03 currently is in
terms of what the hardware side is working on for drivers and devices etc. like
anything, it can be subject to change.
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:38:59 +0200 "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 2008/6/10 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> No, I haven't. Could you post a screenshot of how it looks? Maybe if I
> >> see it I can be convinced,
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:48:10 +0200 "Dotan Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
> 2008/6/11 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > if the vocal group here are to be accounted for going to these screens
> > would be utterly bad and we should
months (July through
> December)?
>
> I'm not sure what to make of this.
>
> Ajit
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if and why I'm wrong.
as such the sd io overhead compared to the overhead of uploading yuv data is
minimal/nothing. lots of details have been gone over here before with regard to
the glamo and video acceleration for video (yuv) playback.
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advantage
> > because now it
> > > > can use DMA? Maybe that's
> > > > > why
> > > > > it is possible to hook up an sd-card to the
> > glamo
> > > > anyway. I see no other
> > > > >
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