Shawn Rutledge wrote:
A lot of people say they want a plain old telephone without so many
features, but it doesn't seem very interesting to me, and I'm not sure
if they really want that either
I've used various cell phones since 1996 and now seeing that it's nearly
impossible to buy a phone
Thanks, Mike, for forwarding his responses. It's been interesting to
hear more about his point of view from his original scathing article.
Like many others, I couldn't finish reading his blog article either.
-id
Mike Hodson wrote:
And what appears to be a final reply from Dan.
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Andreas Utterberg wrote:
Better to get it out now with more bugs, then later with less bugs.
I disagree: having *any* noticeable bugs in a release product will bring
a lot of criticism. Having more bugs just to get a release out the
door will generate a lot of bad press about the efforts put in
George Barta wrote:
Looks like we must also remove
build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libWebKitGdk.*
Thank you for posting the fix, I've been stuck there for 2 days now :(
I got past this issue without removing the above-mentioned file(s).
Once I got past the webkit, I hit a
... which doesn't help any if you're in the air-conditioned
afore-mentioned airport in Arizona and you want to know how warm it is
outside ;o)
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Baxter Kylie wrote:
Actually, current temperature should be able to be picked up from the
touchscreen if, that is, the touchscreen is heat
Tilman Baumann wrote:
The biggest challenge would be a mapping from gps coordinates to
regions/postcodes or such.
If you have this information, you could do all sorts of crazy stuff. But
i doubt these data would be very easy to get.
I've seen it at another contract I worked a year ago, but
Dean Collins wrote:
Definitely a great application - and not just for openmoko.
Helio's been doing it for a while now -- just don't call it a phone.
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Giles Jones wrote:
If you use an existing engine and you get hacked then you have
someone to sue if they were incompetent.
I would think many third-party solutions have some sort of disclaimer in
their documentation against this.
But then, that's the beauty of open source -- if you find a
Piotr Duda wrote:
1. format my SD card with ext3 and mount it (on laptop)
2. unpacked rootfs from qtopia-4.3.0-preview-neo-flash.tgz to SD card
3. copied the uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin kernel to the boot/
on SD card and rename it to uImage
4. umount and take out SD card from the
Jonathon Suggs wrote:
Tim Newsom wrote:
the data interfaces should be the same... If I open up qtopia phone
edition and look at my contacts or maybe even edit them and then
close it down and open up my OM interface and look at them, they
should be the same. All edit are visible.. No double
So to recap what I've tried, that doesn't work to get Qtopia on my SD
card and boot from SD:
I went to http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php and
downloaded the three files under Qtopia for the Neo1973 Downloads, and
unpacked them onto a 2GB microSD card, formatted as ext3:
#
Yeah, I can flash it to the Neo and use it that way, but I was hoping
for the dual-boot feature that others have talked about.
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Peter A Trotter wrote:
I have to admit I have not had time to out this on my SD card yet but I
have booted it from the neo normally.
Frankly, I'm mixed on the subject. For years, I never had a camera
phone. I avoided it, as I thought it was a waste. I'd look for phones
that specifically didn't have a camera and it took a lot of legwork to
find one that was suitable for what I needed but didn't include a
camera. Then I got
On my old Treo, you could press the stylus on a square, and drag up to
flag it, or drag left to clear a flag. Dunno if the OM version of the
game does that though. If not, it'd be handy if it did.
-id
Mikkel Meyer Andersen wrote:
Hi,
I've just tried Mines (testing purposes only, of
Hey all,
I've been playing with a Neo for a little while now, and unfortunately
my current 3G SIM card from ATT has a serial number that falls within
the range of doesn't work on the wiki. Yesterday I bought a pre-paid
TMobile 3G card to see if that would work, and it didn't work either.
Mikko Rauhala wrote:
To be clear, the 3G status of the Neo is a resounding does not, will
not. The Neo is a 2G GSM phone.
Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.
Ian
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The version number on my TMobile SIM is 39.01a and does NOT work. My
ATT SIM is listed on the wiki within the range of serial numbers that
will not work.
I'm disappointed that this isn't something that's field-programmable. I
feel like I wasted the money buying this phone since it's just a
Richard Reichenbacher wrote:
Al Johnson wrote:
What more do you want?
A Big flashing neon sign on the wiki saying the exact time and date the
phone will be available for purchasing.
Or perhaps just a correction on the wiki giving us a better estimate of
when the GTA02 will be available
Agreed, I'm in California as well, and though I bought a pre-paid T
Mobile card, it doesn't work either because of the 3G issue.
It would seem the 850 issue plus the 3G issue has just 'bricked' my Neo
(in a metaphorical sense) without me writing a single line of code.
And given that the
Al Johnson wrote:
We should find out one way or the other reasonably soon.
Like we'd know reasonably soon about the TI modem firmware delivery
system that they told us about almost a month ago? ;o)
Seriously, if they can fix the 3G issue so I can just use TMobile for
the time being, then
Jeff Andros wrote:
Thinkgeek used to sell something like this, but I couldn't find it on
their site... look around, they're out there
It was a USB dongle to lock your PC if you moved outside a certain
range, if I recall. I remember seeing it too at one point, but the
software for the gadget
Is there any recourse with OpenMoko that we can take about
misrepresentation as a quad-band phone, and getting a refund?
-id
rakshat hooja wrote:
I have moved the wiki page for those interested in buying a second hand
Neo to-
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Interested_in_second_hand_neo
Well, if we don't hear something pretty soon about the 3G issue, I'm
going to list mine -- I'd like to at least use the upper frequency bands
with ATT or TMobile since I'm in a major metropolitan area.
-id
Jae Stutzman wrote:
ian douglas wrote:
Is there any recourse with OpenMoko that we
GSM Firmware Update
---
We are still waiting for the signed agreement allowing you to update the
GSM firmware yourselves. Meanwhile, we have resolved the difficulties I
was having in performing the upgrade, and I am now able to upgrade your
handsets. Anyone interested in having
Hey all,
Just saw that OpenMoko is going to be at the SCALE show this year --
can't wait to drop by and meet some of you guys. Got any good giveaways
planned? ;o)
Ian
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After the modem firmware upgrade from Michael, I was able to connect and
make a phone call with an ATT SIM card that didn't work before. And a
TMobile SIM card that didn't work at all before would now at least
register on the network and show signal strength, but would not
make/receive a phone
The speedometer on my Volkswagen says my 10-year old Passat is capable
of driving 160mph, but doesn't mean I should have to pay a speeding
ticket as though I do.
I concur, these tax laws are silly business. I was glad to hear that
Canada shut down the DRM tax that some group was trying to get
hank williams wrote:
Hmm... ok, so it comes with it but you cant use it without paying?
You can use TeleNav if you know where you are and where you're going.
You only have to pay the extra $10 for the TeleNav service to use the
GPS on the phone. Without the GPS, it'll still give you the
hank williams wrote:
I don't think any phones are going to come with
navigation data built in.
To my knowldge, the Samsung Blackjack 2 from ATT includes maps from
TeleNav. You have to pay an extra $10/month to use GPS with those maps
of course, so I just use the Mobile Google Maps
Hey all,
First piece of good news: Michael was *swamped* at SCALE 6x, answering
questions from probably hundreds of people asking what an open source
phone was all about. There's definitely a buzz in the industry about
OpenMoko, and being at SCALE was a definite boost in the exposure of
what
Will OpenMoko give any consideration to those of us who purchased the
GTA01 before the tri-band issue was announced, to discount the price of
a GTA02 to give us the functionality we thought we were initially
purchasing? Like a trade-up of some sort like ATI used to do, where you
send in your
My understanding is that Michael got a list of all current handsets (GSM
or otherwise) running some form of a Linux-based operating system on the
device.
It would be nice to have the list on the wiki and include whether it's
GSM only or GSM+other, etc., but I haven't got the time to volunteer
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Another user wrote:
eBay is a no brainer for those who wish to trade in their
GTA01 to recover some cash to apply toward GTA02.
BTW, if anyone is interested, someone (not me) has placed a GTA01
Advanced Kit (including JTAG board) on eBay:
Heikki Sørum wrote:
In my ideal world: Alice gets a OpenMoko, and then starts
getting annoying calls from Peach Corporation that would like to sell
here an Peach M-Phone. As Alice dislikes Peach Corporation, she tags
any sms/mms and caller ID's with a Marketing Call tag.
One of my favorite
Tilman Baumann wrote:
In my eyes, trust should be calculated automaticly, not by manually
defining trust (like pgp). Using the system could improve it.
Perhaps number of successful phone calls, and length of phone call to
add a number of trust 'points' ... the more successful calls over some
Tilman Baumann wrote:
Yea. But this is limited to a simple question 'was this call spam?'.
What i mean was that you should have 'the list[tm]' that is
automatically the right thing for you.
Yes, I agree, it should be personalized to the user/phone, and being
prompted after a call to specify
Shawn wrote:
Does anyone currently use a Neo on T-mobile's network? If so, do you
have the data plan and does it work well (:
I use it for calls on T-Mobile, but not for data -- I have a prepaid SIM
card (1000 minutes) but haven't tried data connections at all. I'm not
sure if it's included
I've found that connecting the Neo to my PC built a resolv.conf pointing
to my workstation's address (192.168.0.200) which obviously doesn't do
DNS lookups.
I solved it by writing a new resolv.conf using OpenDNS:
nameserver 208.67.222.222
nameserver 208.67.220.220
It'd be trivial to grep the
Jeff Andros wrote:
Personally, I'd like to see a plugin for pidgin that turns it into an IM
proxy... the NEO would connect in to my system here and use pidgin on
it... that way I have unified logs, a single place to sign in, etc
I concur -- running Pidgin on three different platforms, it's a
Am Di 4. März 2008 schrieb Gilles Casse:
Is it possible to buy a new audio wired headset from OpenMoko.inc?
Otherwise, where can we get one please (OpenMoko distributor?).
I mentioned to Michael at SCALE 2008 that having a 'store' where we
could buy stray parts, like batteries would be a
Kyle Bassett wrote:
I have acquired an 8GB iPhone
I actually am writing for suggestions to
make this iPhone helpful to the OpenMoko community.
Likewise, I won an 8GB iPod Touch (essentially the iPhone without the
cell phone components), and I'd love to run OpenMoko on it at some point.
I
If I recall, the iPhone is a 3G phone, but only uses EDGE on 3G, the
slowest speed. I have a friend with an iPhone, I'll ask if I can borrow
his SIM to see if it'll connect to ATT on my Neo later this week.
-id
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Do you have an ATT SIM card? Does it work with your iPhone?
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote:
I simply agree... JTAG for example, could be needed for standard users
only after bricking the device, and new/extra batteries will be needed
soon!
So:
- batteries
- headphones
- JTAG interfaces
- sylus
- stylus batteries?
I'm not sure it's economically
Starting bid is $200.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120232014254
I'm including a 2GB microSD card instead of the 512MB that shipped with
the phone, and also including a USB cable (I hate when cables aren't
included!)
More photos at http://iandouglas.com/neo1973/
Now
If it helps any, using the March 4th daily build, my Neo registers just
fine on both my TMobile and ATT SIM's and both receive SMS messages and
can place phone calls.
Mind you, I can connect to TMobile from within my apartment to
make/receive a phone call and receive SMS messages. Inserting
:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/net_usb3.shtml
And since the Neo cannot operate at 850MHz, it means I'm only using 1900MHz.
-id
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Do you know offhand what bands are used by TMobile and ATT in your area?
Michael
ian douglas wrote:
If it helps any, using the March
Michael Shiloh wrote:
I checked the map, and I'm in the same situation as you: 1900 and 850.
But I notice the maps are not maintained by the providers. How do we
know they are up to date?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile
The US T-Mobile network predominately uses the GSM/GPRS 1900 MHz
Mike confirmed that my home address is in an 850/1900 area, which gave
me decent T-Mobile coverage, and weak-but-present coverage with ATT.
Ian
Mike Hodson wrote:
On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian,
I checked the map, and I'm in the same situation
joerg wrote:
get yourself a powered usb-hub
Personally, I ordered a gadget talked about on Andy Powell's blog on the
weekend:
http://blog.automated.it/2008/03/08/how-long-does-yours-stay-up/
In his blog article, he talks about a USB power pack that you charge,
and then attach other
Just under 3 days left!
ian douglas wrote:
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Mark wrote:
Michael Shiloh michael at openmoko.org
If you have little interest in putting up with the
frustrations that will surely follow, you will do best to wait for the
consumer software to be ready.
...in other words, it *is* intended strictly as a developer's plaything,
and you have no
Hi Michael (and Steve),
I'm surprised nobody has asked yet:
I know Michael himself has admitted that Openmoko has been historically
bad at estimating delivery dates, but is there *any* chance on getting
an updated timeline now that we have this news about the A5/A6?
IE: How long can we
Vincent wrote:
2. 19% VAT in germany
3. x% additional fees (recycling, ...) in germany/europe
Regarding points 1, 2, 3 and 6 - doesn't the US have something similar?
2. I'm originally from Canada, but my experience in the US is that each
state, and sometimes within separate counties
Less than a day left for anyone interested. :o)
ian douglas wrote:
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Shawn wrote:
Do you need people to physically test the phones that are being run on
this process? (:
The best way for them to test the devices are created uniformly is to
test them uniformly, so it's pretty much a given that a QA team at
Openmoko will test every unit coming off the line, not
Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
There are lots of clones of these Nokia batteries, we bought a few and
can give you the names. But basically anything BL-4C, BL-5C, BL-6C
compatible should work.
Just my $0.02 here, but:
*Should* work, or *definitely* work? I'd rather not buy a 'maybe'
battery and
Ian Darwin wrote:
How does having more bureaucracy help you find out who is trustworthy?
Anybody can sign up on the wiki.
I agree with this -- anyone can sign up on the wiki and claim anything
they like.
If I had to guess, I'd say anyone with an @openmoko.com Email address is
pretty
Robin Paulson wrote:
2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I also would like to have - may be separately:
- Stylus
personally, i'd want:
*a modified charger (if one is made)
*a pouch
included, and that's it
I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have.
Added my name to the bulk-purchase price for the FreeRunner for the Los
Angeles area. I'm technically in Santa Monica now, but if anyone else in
the city is interested, add your names to the list on the wiki and save
a few bucks.
Personally, I'll probably opt for the fastest shipping method
I agree.
If the LED's are used by the software to show various states in the
software, then why can't we just use software to turn them off when we
don't want them on?
Problem solved, without any hardware hacks needed.
That's the beauty of open source. Find where the lights are controlled,
Daniel Willmann wrote:
IM/VoIP using telepathy
I'm hoping you meant telephony? Or is Google seriously funding some sort
of telekenesis projects? ;o)
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Ah, thanks for the correction.
Joseph Jon Booker wrote:
IM/VoIP using telepathy
http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/
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Ian Darwin wrote:
steve wrote:
Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer
it. Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to
prevent pouch poaching.
Apparently the dog you see reflected in one of Michael's preliminary
photos did chew up one of
Travis Tabbal wrote:
Has the 850Mhz issue been resolved?
The Freerunner will be sold in 850/1800/1900 tri-band, and 900/1800/1900
tri-band models. You'll have to specify which model you want when you order.
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Steve,
I understand about the discount on the bulk order of 10 Freerunners, but
do all 10 have to be the same tri-band mode, ie: 10 of the 850/1800/1900
phones or 10 of the 900/1800/1900 phones, or can we mix and match as
long as we have 10 phones in the box?
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Travis Tabbal wrote:
Of course, a quad band setup would be preferred
Hey OpenMoko team, has anyone started a wish-list for the GTA03 yet?
- true quad-band
- a place to hide a stylus
- anti pooch pouch poaching device
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Travis Tabbal wrote:
This implies that a GTA01bv4 can NOT use 850 mhz. But my Neo1973 works
PERFECTLY in the USA, which means either it DOES support 850mhz OR
that the LACK of 850mhz is irrelevant.
As I understand it, 850 will matter or not depending on where you live
and what
Just as a comparison, since my workplace just got me a Blackberry World
Phone (8830), here's a photo of the power adapters that come with it,
which I guess connect to the standard American power plug.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2435261066/
For what it's worth, the
Brandon Kruger wrote:
I have the Media Net Unlimited package which gives me unlimied data usage
for $15/month. Just try not to let them know it's for a PDA-ish device or
they may try to make you get the $60 equivalent for PDAs instead.
The $60 equivalent includes tethering which lets you
If you already have a capable phone, I don't see why they wouldn't just
sell you just the SIM card and data/voice plan.
Ben Burdette wrote:
How did you get the plan to begin with? Surely they didn't just give
you a SIM card, did you already have another phone or did you buy a
cheap phone?
Brandon Kruger wrote:
It may not be allowed in the fine print, but I never had any problems
tethering my A707 with that plan to my laptop over BT or USB.
The sales guy I talked to at ATT back in December said they can catch
this behavior by monitoring your data transfer behavior, and charge
Yes, ATT uses both 850 and either 1800 or 1900 (I forget which at the
moment, maybe 1900 and TMobile uses 1800, or vice versa?).
In my last apartment, where there were a lot of buildings very close
together, lots of concrete, etc., my usual ATT phone (Blackjack 2)
would only connect on the
2. Called person cannot talk right now (Meeting, cinema, etc.)
I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, and you can set several 'away' messages
depending on why you don't want to be disturbed. Some sort of voicemail
app on the phone which plays back one of several messages like Hi, I'm
enjoying a movie
Sorry, just realized I hadn't finished my thought...
ian douglas wrote:
I use pidgin (gaim) for IM, and you can set several 'away' messages
depending on why you don't want to be disturbed. Some sort of voicemail
app on the phone which plays back one of several messages like Hi, I'm
enjoying
ian douglas wrote:
I use pidgin (gaim) for IM,
I tried to use pidgin on the OM but found that I couldn't enter my IM
profile details as the multi-tap keyboard didn't get 'activated' when in
these fields - has this been fixed now? /me will try again if this is
the case.
No, I use it on my
Rivera wrote:
How do you tell which band the phone is currently connecting to?
Someone stated in the last day or so that there's an AT command you can
send to the Neo's modem to tell which service.
how did you know the Blackjack 2 would only connect to the lower freq?
The basis of my
My new Blackberry 8830 charger draws 500mA
-id
For what it's worth, the Blackberry charger also ends in a USB plug, but
I didn't check the wall plug portion to see how many mA it draws.
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I imagine that one of the 10 people who wants to be part of the bulk
order will be responsible for collecting the funds from the other 9
orders, waiting for checks to clear, etc., and then place the order with
OpenMoko.
It's really up to the group. I know personally I'd hate to pony up the
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote:
Well, may be that i missed the answer but someone asked if the discount
and the extra stuff are applied only to the 10 pack or it could also be
a 12 pack?
So to let you understand the condition is:
if (phones_ordered == 10)
do_the_10_pack_trick();
More
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Was this organized by the group area code?
http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/news/2004/05/63400
I was mistaken, I thought it had been run with GPS phones, but it was
back in 2004 (I thought it was much more recent) and they couldn't use
GPS due to the tall
Kevin Dean wrote:
Can you drop any more hints on where specifically to find this?
From Steve's Email to the Community list April 24 at 12:44pm Pacific
time with a subject of 10 PACK UPDATE!!! :
Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets.
In an Email around
Hey all,
I'm randomly getting a second and sometimes a third copy of messages
coming to the list. For exampe, Torfinn Ingolfsen's last Email with a
subject line Re: Software -- I got three copies. I also got three
copies of Bradley Hook's message about the external displays, but only
one
Michele Renda wrote:
Only one copy also for me. It is like you registered two / three
times. Are you sure you don't have mail fowarding activated to
another email address registered to this mailing list?
Nope, I've always only had a single address on the list, and I've been a
member since
function you get an email adressed to your email
adress and one to the mailinglist. Possibly that might be an answer. And
of course sometimes there are double-posts.
Greetings Bastia
ian douglas schrieb:
| Michele Renda wrote:
| Only one copy also for me. It is like you registered two / three
Robin Paulson wrote:
steve, what methods are being considered by openmoko for group
purchasing?
Hi Robin,
I can't speak directly for Steve and Openmoko, I'm guessing that once we
get enough people for a bulk order, one of us will need to collect
payments from everyone else, then place the
Assuming that Steve's last timelines are semi-accurate, unless more
interest is generated by the end of the month, the Los Angeles group
only has 4 interested parties -- would the other Southern California
groups be willing to combine if none of us can reach enough orders for
the 10-pack
you
or the one who gets the babies to ship one to me to
the Mexico City?
I have some friends who want to get one, but they
want to see it before buying it, and I think there won't
be a mexican group this time.
Thanks
Kosa
- Un mundo mejor es posible -
ian douglas escribió:
Assuming that Steve's
For something worth that much money, I don't see the point in declaring
its value as less than the purchase price plus shipping -- if you
declare it as a $100 phone and it gets broken or lost/stolen, you'd only
be able to file an insurance claim for the $100 declared value and lose
the extra
There's another real-world game involving getting a marble through a
maze without dropping through holes by tilting the maze-board to get the
marble to the end of the maze.
Sounds like it'd be a good game for accelerometers...
steve wrote:
make pacman rip off using the acelleromters
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/none-CAR190-Labyrinth/dp/B0ISLL
Yeah, that's exactly the game I'm thinking of. I imagine implementing
the physics of it (roll the ball faster the more you tilt) might be a
bit tricky, but completely possible. We'd also have to allow for skill
/watch?v=uHyfPzCe5OEfeature=user
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uHyfPzCe5OEfeature=user
Ak
2008/5/13 ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/none-CAR190-Labyrinth/dp/B0ISLL
Yeah, that's exactly the game I'm thinking
Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week??
Yes, Steve just reconfirmed a few minutes ago that production doesn't
even start until about May 16th... plus whatever timeline he previously
mentioned for any final work to get things verified and packaged and
Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
As an Ubuntu *user* every now and then I get an alert that
upgrades are available.
Likewise with other major distros like Fedora -- you get an alert that
upgrades are available when you login, or come back from an idle state
overnight (nightly cron job I imagine).
In
Mo Abrahams wrote:
How about it downloads the updates whenever wifi is available (battery
or not), and then (if set to update automatically) updates once plugged
in to charge, and if set to manual requires battery power to be above a
certain percentage.
I'd say that if GSM downloads are going
If it's included in the bulk order, do you *need* to declare an extra value?
Chris Hogan wrote:
Just wondering if anyone knows how much the bonus pouch/headsets being offered
with the bulk orders would cost if purchased separately?
The Sydney group are looking into the (huge) customs costs
Steve has already mentioned on the list that they don't intend to sell
pouches or headsets as individual items, and that they're only available
as part of a bulk order -- included at no extra cost as part of the bulk
order, which to me means no extra value.
-id
Neil Davey wrote:
It's not so
Chris Hogan wrote:
True - I hadn't yet read Ian's reply when I wrote that :-).
And I was just reiterating what Steve and Michael have said over the
past two months -- OpenMoko would rather concentrate on making phones
than pouches and selling individual accessories like pouches and
Correct, you'd get the discount on the group of 10, and have to pay full
price on the extra 9. Might be worth looking for people in neighboring
countries, etc., to group up?
Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
too bad actually, if we are 19 the is 9 that can't be in the *gruop*
MartinG wrote:
On Friday 16 May 2008 03:26:06 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
yeah. this is actually the bigger problem we face in the longer run.
standardising data stores and access to them etc. :)
I think this is a important point that should be given some thought
before everyone starts hacking.
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