Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
Hi!
OM isn't working on the software for our phones any more and it looks
like that also the releasing of Community Updates
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates) has stopped
Hooray! It's less than a year sine the FR commercial release and it's
Ignacio Torres Masdeu wrote:
in fact there is a lot of closed linux devices out there , for example
routers,motorola phones, ebook reader... and those doesn't mean Linux
is closed,
It only means that if they don't publish the code, and that's usual,
they are violating the GPL.
I should also add that at least in the short term I would expect that being
able to run android applications on FR is going to give me a far wider
choice of mobile-friendly software than any of the true linux distros
available for FR.
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jldominguez wrote:
Hello, is it true that Google can uninstall an app not approved by
themselves (that is, an app not included in the 'Android Market')? I
understand the app would be uninstalled when the user visits a Google shop
or accesses a Google service?
It's not true that any
GNUtoo wrote:
There is something stopping people from contributing:
make: *** No rule to make target `run-java-tool', needed by
`out/host/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/droiddoc_intermediates/javalib.jar'.
Stop.
what should I do?
PS: I've some java warnings etc...I hope it's not the
GNUtoo wrote:
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 21:56 +0100, Juergen Schinker wrote:
About the android port of the openmoko:
I heard There were several limitations such as:
*all hardware not fully functional yet (wifi,calls,suspend etc...):
Suspend is fine.
Wifi is fantastic, so much better than
GNUtoo wrote:
I've asked on IRC about android SDK and I was told that there were 2
versions:
*a non-free version tight to that EULA:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/terms.html
*a free version compilable from source without google stuff(such as
maps)
I was told I had to gab
Max Suraev wrote:
В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет:
Maybe take a look at Android?
That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as
in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some proprietary staff on my
phone I would just buy some sort of
rms wrote:
The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones. The excuse of oh,
its the
phone maker/operator that does it is a mere smoke screen.
DRM? They're just locked, you don't get root if you buy a G1 or other
similar phone. I also don't see what's a smokescreen about the fact
Rene Horn wrote:
Yeah, I already knew that. I'm just wondering if anyone knows what's
happened?
Did they lose the domain? whois records show Network Solutions as owning
the domain.
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote:
arne anka wrote:
nope. he's just a troll.
he's just saying what a lot of people are thinking
I still hope to use my OM for *something*, but the chances of it ever being
a reliable mobile phone are looking pretty slim.
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i didn't found a terminal and i
detect no ssh-daemon, so i couldn't connect directly to the phone. had someone
a reason here?
i just want to edit /etc/fstab
There is no ssh daemon. Nor is there a /etc/fstab!
If you have your SD card in two partitions, as is recommended for android,
You should have stopped here IMHO. It really is none of our
(community's) business, and it would be a lot more productive to just
focus on the question of where do we go from here?
Hey, something being none of our business has never stopped a good rant before!
Personally I'm beginning to
scholbert wrote:
joakim wrote:
The selling point for me when buying the G1 is that I read that its
possible to boot debian on it, just like the Freerunner.
Unfortunately that's not quite true, at present.
What people have done is to loop mount a canned debian filesystem and
Bump.
I'll be there between 6 and 6.30.
And if the batteries on my eee hold out I'll be happy to shove a recent
android build onto any unattended FRs :)
gnublade wrote:
Just pinging the list to say that we're on for the 11th (this
Wednesday) at the Old Bank of England on Fleet Street
Jan Henkins wrote:
Hi,
7:30 is good, OBoE sounds splendid! See y'all there! First person to be
there, please hog a nicely sized table, and display something vaguely
Moko-ish/Linux-ish/Computer-ish (Linux Format mag or anything siilarly
geeky) on the table for others to spot. It's a
Peter Nijs wrote:
I'm almost sure someone suggested
hooking up an external screen to it. That's technically not possible
Isn't it?
You can get external USB gfx cards these days.
Whether FR has the power to drive one, or if there are FOSS drivers, I have
no idea.
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Gothnet wrote:
Hello all,
So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a
pub meet on the 11th?
I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of
England on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily
close to work
Sarton O'Brien wrote:
There really are some moments I can't help but giggle about ... but
that's me and I know I have a wierd sense of humour :)
Well, there was that time in October (when I was in Australia for a month on
holiday) and I had the FR with FDOM as my only phone. It woke
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote:
Why? What is it that you expect the Neo Freerunner to do that the other
handheld devices out there won't? You will have noticed that pretty much
all
the unhappy users are those expecting the Neo Freerunner to be just
another
well polished smartphone. If
Hello all,
So, it's a couple of weeks since the last thread, are we still having a pub
meet on the 11th?
I've looked at the pubs suggested, and my vote's on the Old Bank of England
on Fleet street. I don't like Sam Smith's beer and OBoE is lazily close to
work :)
So who's available and could
Leonti wrote:
Sometimes they are not putting the right specifications on the batteries.
Right now I have in my other phone (k700i) battery with the capacity
double of the original one. But this is just a label. Uptime is the
same as with the original battery.
My point being that for more
Andy Kilner wrote:
Not trying to usurp the thread but nothing happened with the plans to
have a london meetup. Should we just go to this one instead or would
anyone be interested in holding one of our own?
Unfortunately I won't be able to make this one as I already have plans
for that
boilersoup wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:02:28 +1300
Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
personally, i think the asu theme (the stock one installed on the
freerunner) blows, and you'd be best off switching it for something
ore useful - there are plenty around on the web. the
Jan Henkins wrote:
Opening shot:
Depending on the number of people, if we are a small group (8 and less),
The Dove Inn in Hammersmith is a really nice place. Food is OK, placement
is fabulous (right on the Thames, see link below) and it's easy to get to.
However, it is small and
John-2 wrote:
Hi Jan, I added a couple of pubs to the wiki.
I really don't mind which location. If it became a regular meet it
would be fun to try them all out! By coincidence I appear to have
recommended two Samuel Smith's pubs which might not suit everyone. I
will drink anything me
john dowd wrote:
I've been using minicom but its a disaster. Unless some has settings
that they would like to share.
Cheers!!
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jdowd at slashdevslashnull dot org
Search the wiki for a program called
arne anka wrote:
networkmanager used to ignore interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces
(and does this still on my debian/unstable box), so putting the wiki's
stanza for usb0
auto usb0
...
might be worth a try.
That sounds like a good idea, thanks for the hint. My eee
arne anka wrote:
i think a right click somewhere brings up a list of preferred networks
where you can delete the entries not needed anymore (i distinctly remember
the list, but not how i got there -- the offending network maybe?)
I think that may depend on the version, but on the
This isn't going to help you but...
The windows driver seems dodgy. The 5th of december Android image made
windows bluescreen when you plugged the FR into a machine with the driver
installed.
Linux is your friend, though of course that's not always possible.
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Thanks for all the answers guys, looks like I can grab any old USB charger,
5V/2A being preferable.
And a GPS style wndscreen mount would be useful. I'm sure I can find
something though.
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In about 9 or 20 months I intend to stop working for a few months and drive
around the continent of australia.
A GPS device would be good for this.
Given that this functionality is coming along ok, that by then we should
(hopefully!) have fairly stable operation, and that freerunner battery
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
Not looked for one yet, but it has to have a DC Output from 3.7V 2A
(battery written value) to 5V 2A (IIRC).
Thanks to someone on IRC who helped me with this info, and don't ask me
for more since I know almost nothing of electronics :)
Rui
Thanks
Leonardo-3 wrote:
Hi all,
I've been messing with u-boot and need some help.
I was trying to set the rw parameter into bootargs to boot 2008.12
from SD. After a couple attempts, I had too many entries in the u-boot,
and wanted to erase them all, so I used the defaultenv command in
u-boot
Stroller-2 wrote:
I was on the phone to an Indian call centre a while back and was very
frustrated by the way the speaker read my number back to me - they
can't even speak English phone numbers correctly! I fumed, but on
reflection I realised that many native English speakers read
Stroller-2 wrote:
Note, however, that I would most always use 0207 or 0208 xxx yyy
for London numbers - I personally would not use 020, or group the
7 or 8 with the next set of digits. This is probably because I
remember when they changed London numbers from 01 to 020 and then
Vasili Sviridov wrote:
Not sure what has changed, but when I do dfu-util -l from both NOR and
NAND uBoot i get this
Found Runtime [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=3, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name=USB
Device Firmware Upgrade
and thats the only line in there.
So i'm currently not even able to
Well, due to the current exchange rate (my government have screwed up,
royally), youmay be better off ordering from truebox.co.uk, where the
Freerunner is £272 or ~277 EUR.
My poor poor savings, and I was planning to emigrate. Damn you Gordon
Brown
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George Brooke wrote:
On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only)
I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the
local
version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code.
Well, if you can get sensible stuff out of u-boot then I suggest using the
devirginator thing on the link I sent earlier to repare the uboot
environmen. Then you should get back to a useful state.
I used it to tweak the kernel partition size on the internal flash, so if
(as I think you said
Gothnet wrote:
Vasili Sviridov wrote:
Will it still work w/o debug board? All i got is the USB cable
connection.
Vasili
yeah, me too :)
Worked just fine. Follow the instructions on that page -
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader
arne anka wrote:
Price Truebox is 272 GBP + 15% VAT + 40 shipping = 405 eur
with eur:gbp at almost 1:1 it is actually more like 360 eur ...
Price Pulster is 299 eur incl. VAT + 15 shipping = 314 eur
... nevertheless it costs more than yours ;-)
I don't want to get into a
rakshat hooja wrote:
Also if there are reports of 3G dongles working well with the Freerunner,
please post them on this list/ wiki. Resellers can start stocking them if
the demand is there.
Rakshat
AAH!
I don't want to have to have a dongle, probably with a separate contract, in
Sargun Dhillon wrote:
Additionally, why are we expecting 3G from OM, they are having a hard
time getting a phone right. Why are we holding them to the same
standards as Apple, HTC, etc... Apple can't get 3G in the iPhone for
two years.
For which they were heavily criticised because
rakshat hooja wrote:
I am talking about GTA 02 and people who already own it and need to use
3G.
GTA 02 does not have 3G built in
sorry if if this was not clear in my mail
Rakshat
Sorry, thought you were suggesting it as a get-out-of-jail-free for OM and
3G on the 03. If you
Orlando-13 wrote:
I Hate to tell you this, but you can try to format your sd card (just to
fat32 or ext3) in another Linux box. Then, install another Linux distro in
your openmoko...
The problem as I see it is that your sd card has a lot of partitions right
?
-Orlando.
Probably
Helge Hafting wrote:
Making a good small lens is not a problem, a good small sensor is.
Japanese tourists may be satisfied, but perhaps they just aren't that
good photographers. Small-sensor images can be reasonable under ideal
lighting conditions, but hopeless for most other cases. But
Andreas Wallin wrote:
I tried it,
Still the keyboard does not work in all text dialogs, wifi doesn't work,
I cant lock screen, and suspend still doesn't work, GSM seems to work.
I reflashed my openmoko with qt after 1 days use, When suspend,lock
screen and soft keyboard works i will
Olivier Migeot wrote:
Community, you have this Openmoko company who is still working on
their product some months after it's been released. Granted, the first
release was nowhere near astounding. But in closed world developement,
who could claim such dedication? ;)
In a closed world
Vinzenz Hersche wrote:
hey tony,
your first partition on the sd-card should be fat-formated.
Not if you update your NAND uboot to a recent (i.e sometime in the last four
months or so) version. Then ext2 is fine. I've had mine running this way.
More recent uboot's also have some
Tony Berth wrote:
Having a OM2008.9 jffs on FR, I did run 'install.sh all'. I did shutdown
the
device and when rebooted I choose the SD card to boot. That should do the
trick!
No, no it won't, uyou need to follow the section below -
Adjusting your uBoot environment
Go back to the
Didier Raboud wrote:
arne anka wrote:
the facts known about google's remote control of the android g1
(privately
owned devoces, mind you!) are absolutely horrible, and i don't want to
support any effort in that way.
+1 from me too.
Don't use Big Evil Google !
I don't want
John Lee wrote:
I shouldn't say gta03, I should say the next generation software we
are going to use. Since people will switch to that software with
their freerunner (gta02), it makes more sense to put more resource
to work on that. My writing wasn't accurate enough. Sorry about that.
I agree with Rui, and as a Software Engineer with about a decade of C under
my belt I should be able to help out. It's just getting motivated and
getting started that are the problems here
The nice thing about Android is that it seems like the interface stuff is
basically there, it's sharp
John Lee wrote:
Olv is having kernel fun now, but since it's gta03 related, you probably
won't see him a lot on the public kernel list.
...
OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is
fairly limited.
I know it's important for OM to keep moving
polz wrote:
That's just common sense. If you want a working phone, just stick to the
Freerunner, maybe try and help get it into a working state. Once the base
system is working, you can always buy a GTA03 to get some new, faster,
shinier
hardware.
Yes, but I'm wondering who
Got the thing booting, finally, by using my universal charger. I guess the
problem now is that when it gets too low it'll just shut itself down, even
with the charger attached.
I'm running uImage-tracking and the rootfs with the keyboard now.
Rui Castro wrote:
My keyboard has some obvious
Hire wrote:
Someone can explain me how I can edit the uboot env? Because I did it:
bootcmd=
setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts};
nand read.e 0x3200 kernel 0x30;
bootm 0x3200
But it doesn't boot. It does the same issue: can't find an image kernel.
I have
Cédric Berger wrote:
But I made a call and while on call I could not get the keyboard !
Menu button brings special call menu, and there is not the keybord
button :-(
I am afraid that it could be the same for incoming calls. So you could
not answer.
So no access to volume
Cédric Berger wrote:
Well hang up is possible since there is an hang up button on the
standard phone menu. (press menu button during call to see it)
The problem is to respond to a call...
No problem at all, just made and received calls between my cheapo sony
ericcson and the
Actually, when I say fine, I mean that I could pick up.
To hang up at the end of the call I still had to bring up the phone menu.
Right, next test - text messages.
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Gothnet wrote:
Actually, when I say fine, I mean that I could pick up.
To hang up at the end of the call I still had to bring up the phone menu.
Right, next test - text messages.
Which I can't do because now it's refusing to register. Except when I call
it the Network think's
Levy Abinajm Melero Sant'Anna wrote:
Nice, I will test this last image this weekend.
Thank you,
Levy.
don't get too excited, after registering for the first 24 hours, it now
refuses to. I think the unregistered but still ringing thing was a network
glitch. Since then, no
Warren Baird wrote:
I agree Android looks like it has a lot of promise - but if you want a
functioning phone today - I'd suggest trying out QtExtended 4.4.2 - it
doesn't give you much more than basic phone functionality, but I've been
using it as my day-to-day phone for a month now, and
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
Sean,
which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?
Franky
Take a look here -
http://n2.nabble.com/andy-tracking-kernel--td1609293.html
for details on the kernel difference. and what you'll need to do to u-boot
to get the tracking
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
which uImage should we take? uImage-android or uImage-tracking?
OK, for the hard of thinking (amongst whom I count myself) I got the
tracking kernel booting by following the what if I borked my bootloader
instructions from here -
Cédric Berger wrote:
For now, most wanted for me is a keyboard, and internet connectivity
(90% off android applications need internet access !).
Wifi does not work, GPRS either (for me at least), and I did not
manage to have internet access via USB (though I have read this may
work ?
Improvements since the first release are evident, the graphics are now pretty
glitch free where they used to occasionally flicker.
However, since the last image I flashed, bluetooth has stopped working, I
now just get a message saying Unable to turn on Bluetooth.
Wifi claims to turn on but
Yup, DNS is the issue now.
Attached to another machine I can ping 66.249.91.147 but lookup of
www.google.com fails. To create a resolv.conf i had to remount the root
filesystem as rw with -
mount -o remount,rw -t jffs2 /dev/root /
But it didn't help. So, yes, net access over USB but no DNS.
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Apparently the answer is setprop net.usb0.dns1 $IP_ADDRESS
Though I haven't made it do anything because the browser won't start,
there's no keypad to enter mail settings and the only command line tool I
can find (ping) doesn't seem
Sean McNeil wrote:
Excellent. Then we can just include it within the image as it won't
affect operations otherwise.
Got any sort of ETA on an updated image?
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If you can wait a week or so Koolu - http://www.koolu.com/ - have promised to
release their version of Android for Freerunner in the first week of
December.
I hope that means they'll release it for general use and not just for their
customers. I also hope they release the source code for any
Jeroen van de Nieuwenhof wrote:
Where does it say that it will be released in the first week of december?
I think they made an announcement or press release or some such. It's
covered in a bunch of online blogs and news sources -
Larger screen.
More real estate for a keyboard, basically, the current ones are just on the
boundary of unusable with a finger and anything bigger would take up too
much space; you need a comfortable amount of space for the application and
the on screen input.
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Tom R wrote:
I'm not familiar with the android environment so here are a couple of
questions
do I need the android SDK to install this keyboard? if I don't need it
then,
how do I ssh into android once it's running? I've tried the usual
ifconfig usb0 x.x.x.x ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] but
Walter Chang wrote:
i can't wait till q1 of next year for google to come out with a soft
keyboard so i made one. I used the copy-and-paste functionality on
Android
so the keyboard works with other apps without changing them. to download:
http://code.google.com/p/netgents/downloads/list
Iain B. Findleton wrote:
the main issue with optimization efforts is whether they can proceed
faster than the
introduction of better hardware. If a 400 Mhz machine is too slow,
will a 1 Ghz machine be fast enough? Will anything be fast enough?
Apparently, from the history of desktops,
Lally Singh wrote:
Just fair warning here. As I don't think OM will use the Glamo in
future devices, doing the right thing isn't as critical as normal
software projects...
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Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science
Virginia Tech
Doing the right this IS critical to
To add my two pence-worth about the joke comment -
I have a very high tolerance to stuff not working. or not working smoothly.
Most of my computers are broken in some way at any given time. However, when
forced to rely on it for a month, even I got annoyed with the freerunner
running OM
Jacob Peterson wrote:
I know the buzzing issue had quite a bit of attention from the Openmoko
team, judging from watching the traffic on the Hardware and Kernel mailing
lists. So I don't think they have given up on that, but it doesn't seem
like there is any set solution for current
Excellent.
I've flashed this now and the screen flashing has indeed gone and it's still
just as responsive as before.
I was able to activate bluetooth and detect the device with other systems.
I could activate GPS (apparently) but there's no GPS app I could find on the
default image. S'pose I
Well colour me impressed. I've had a play with android on the Freerunner and
(no disrespect to the openmoko guys) it's renewed my faith that the device
will some day be useable as a phone.
Managed to get it running, import contacts from the SIM and make calls, with
acceptable volume and none of
Hi all,
My thoughts on this (as a software dev that hasn't yet got into the
freerunner software development, despite best intentions) -
1. Basic phone functions:
It needs to work as a phone, currently it doesn't wake up from suspend in
time for more than 2 rings before the other party is
Davide Scaini wrote:
Do you have any hints before starting to have a nice installation?
Sorry for the delay, but better late than never!
go here - https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_Freerunner
And update u-boot by going to the section marked Flashing the boot loader
to the
Matthew Lane wrote:
It looks like future frameworks are heading towards the ASU or FSO? I'm
not really sure, although ASU seems to be a merge of 2007.2 and
Qtopia, so perhaps that direction is what you're looking for?
Perhaps, though I have my doubts about running a full X server on
Hi all,
I'm expecting my FreeRunner in the next day or so (thanks Truebox) and was
wondering if any other UK users had come across any good data tariffs?
I've got myself a SIM card from T-Mobile with their Solo 15 package, and
managed to persuade the guy in the shop to try selling it to me with
My bad - I meant 3GB a month, unrestricted on what you can do with it.
I don't think it's only 3G traffic, at least I couldn't find any reference
to anything differentiating which technology you could use. The only plan
differences I could see were whether you were allowed to use the phone as a
As a newcomer to the Openmoko scene, I've started to notice that there are a
lot of different firmwares out there, some from Openmoko and some from other
places.
I'm a C programmer by trade with almost a decade of commercial experience,
mostly in server/backend stuff. I want to start looking at
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