On 2013-01-25 8:17 AM, jcomm...@math.leidenuniv.nl wrote:
Thanks for your replies. I think I have some good pointers here. But, to
make one thing clear. I am not looking that much for VoIP options, but
would like to connect to an existing carrier, with a SIM-card.
The point is that I want other p
> > I wouldn't think so, or he or somebody would have bid my GTA02 on
> > eBay higher than $50. I wouldn't expect to get more than $50 fo a
> > GTA02, unless it's brand new in sealed box or it has the fancy black
> > penguin case or something. Everyone knows that GTA02 has WiFi and
> > USB, and can
On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 05:17:16PM +0100, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
> Hi Troy,
>
> On 30 December 2012 21:08, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> > I can do this with a GTA02 (wifi built-in, and USB-host mode), or *maybe*
>
> > My per-unit budget for the hardware is between $50 (bare GTA) and
> > $150 (GTA
FreeRunner port tht I have installed on it at
present, supports WiFi nicely.
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:44:13PM -0500, Ian Darwin wrote:
I posted this on eBay hoping the world would beat a path to my door,
but they don't seem to have; the GTA02 has only gone up to $20 (as
of Dec 30, 2012) an
I posted this on eBay hoping the world would beat a path to my door, but
they don't seem to have; the GTA02 has only gone up to $20 (as of Dec
30, 2012) and there's just a few days left on the auction. If you've
been meaning to pick up a GTA02 (or a spare) for dev or testing, this
could be a ba
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 09:05:00AM -0700, steve wrote:
> Loading dock for Trucks.
>
> A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick.
That's what the Panama Canal is for. A bit indirect though.
You could also try the North West Passage :-)
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igits of the SN were X'd for his security).
Hope somebody knows how to read this number and that the info is useful
in figuring out which 3G sims work/don't work.
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).
They're probably not the first geek-run company to have web site issues,
though (many on this list will remember the problems of OpenMoko's first
web store, one year ago).
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On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 11:57:24PM -0600, Matthias Stone wrote:
>
>These are probably silly questions, but I ask anyway (and thank you
>for your replies)
>
>a) In shipping the phone (freerunner) to Canada, are any
>taxes/duty/fees applied? (buying from [1]openmoko.com webstore)
http://www.xkcd.com/434/
See especially panel #3
xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall
Munroe
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> Having said that, why wait for an incoming text?
> Why not just have the phone wipe itself when the SIM card changes?
Not by default!! People that travel between North America and Europe
often maintain two (or more!!) SIMs to take advantage of cheaper calling
in different {countries,c
Ilja O. wrote:
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Vinc Duran wrote:
I like the stolen phone sms message.
Me too. When can I start erasing the phones of people I don't like? :-)
You'll have to try hard to guess 120 random alphanumeric (at l
Vinc Duran wrote:
I like the stolen phone sms message.
Me too. When can I start erasing the phones of people I don't like? :-)
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christooss wrote:
Ortwin Regel wrote:
Yeah, somewhat, but I think our screen might be a little small for it.
I guess it needs to be prototyped.
Ortwin
http://sudharsh.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/screenshot-1.png
Here is a screenshot of one of onscreen keyboard. And I don't think its
so s
The freerunner CPU is ARM920T, can't support android system img, I
think it can update to ARM926EJ-S ?
The Neo is not a desktop computer, so I really doubt that the CPU is
socketed :-) So unless you're good at soldering SMT components, I think
you can forget the CPU upgrade (even if you are,
If anybody feels the need to use a screen protector, I just tried one
called NavProtector that I got for a few bucks on eBay, and it fits
nicely (cut about 1mm shorter than the screen, so check before you
stick! and maybe center it).
The touch screen still works! :-)
Ian Darwin
ut to the builds. BTW, this is another place that
you simply must have (and this is my feature request) the ability to
send letters one at a time to the application.
Cheers
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The predictive keyboard bit might help but I haven't become proficient with it yet.
It's not predictive; it's a dictionary+recent-words-lookup, with
spelling approximations. I've been chided for using the "P" word here,
so I'm just passing on the correction.
> It seemed weird that it shows
Uncle Kridley wrote:
I'm totally dependent on gnukeyring on my Treo, so this is good news.
I'd been hoping that somebody with some GUI coding experience would
build one on Openmoko, since I've never written a (non-web) GUI program.
Are you going to release your password safe? What are the ot
names and person names to be intermixed, so I had one big alphabetical
list.
Should this kind of thing go to the QTopia mailing list or forums, or
should we still post general QTopia issues found under OM to this list?
Thanks
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Once today, while my FreeRunner was plugged in on USB, I tapped the
screen to wake it up, and it came up, but all the pixels in text were
jiggly, as though the screen were being refreshed at the wrong rate.
When I called up the qwerty keyboard, it appeared quite scrambled.
Sadly I didn't have a
I won't say it was easy or pretty, but I did it.
The only two things I really need the Blackberry for (apart from stable
calling :-)) are the password safe (which I have written a replacement
for, and others exist), and the alarm clock (might have to put a new
fresh battery in my alarm watch).
lookup; I find this very distracting compared to a plain do-what-I-type
keyboard, and would welcome an easy way to turn this off
I'd still very much like to see a way to turn it off, so it works the
same for letters as for numbers. It's annoying 90% of the time because
most of the person or st
Lorn Potter wrote:
On Thursday 22 May 2008 08:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database.
Thanks for the info Lorn. Can you tell where the sqlite database is
stored or is that not Qtopia determined?
The users database is /home//Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Lorn Potter wrote:
Qtopia contacts are stored in the sqlite database.
Thanks for the info Lorn. Can you tell where the sqlite database is
stored or is that not Qtopia determined?
This would seem to be four sqlite databases:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cd /
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 04:45:14AM +1000, Lorn Potter wrote:
> >
> > If anybody knows the location of the files that QT contacts uses, or has
> > actually tried the QTopia Desktop with the new ASU image, please pipe
> > in! (Please don't guess, because you might cause somebody to waste a lot
> > o
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 08:05:13PM +0200, Bastian Muck wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Ian Darwin schrieb:
> | I'd still very much like to see a way to turn it off, so it works the
> | same for letters as for numbers. It's annoying 90% o
other.
This portrait/landscape was in the pre-ASU software; there is no
gui control to enable it yet in ASU, but E17 almost certainly
supports it, so we can hope that the apps will again support it.
Ian Darwin
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to "programming language flame war".
Thank you.
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Mon, 19 May 2008 10:27:25 -0400 Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled:
2) The ASU software features a qwerty-keyboard. It is switchable between
alphabetics and numerics; unfortunately the gesture needed to do this
(a triangle drawn counter-clo
liwei wrote:
On δΈ€, 2008-05-19 at 16:27 -0700, Mike Montour wrote:
Ian Darwin wrote:
Thanks for posting your review. Perhaps you (or another Freerunner user)
can answer a few more questions:
How good is the audio quality when having a GSM voice conversation with
another person? Can the
and build the QTopia Desktop
from that.
-
If anybody knows the location of the files that QT contacts uses, or has
actually tried the QTopia Desktop with the new ASU image, please pipe
in! (Please don't guess, because you might cause somebody to waste a lot
of
raries are there. All toolkits. All languages(*). It is
just as hackable as it was.
"Make of it what you will shall be the whole of thy law".
Ian Darwin
* C and C++ and sh ship; many others available but you may have to "opkg
install" them.
For Java(tm) install Jalimo. Oth
And, it often doesn't actually shutdown.
All for now. Again, please remember that this is very early access.
And don't let my nit-picking distract you from the fact that it's
looking good for something that was merged only a few weeks ago!
Ian Darwin
There ought to be a specialization of Dialer to be able to type your
voicemail password without having it echo, switchable dynamically.
Just an idea - my son was complaining that his cheap Nokia didn't have
such a feature, so I figured that OpenMoko should.
cdce[1] is the ethernet -over-usb driver in FreeBSD. To test it, you
can do 'kldload if_cdce', then see the man page.
Last time I tested it, it worked without problems.
The cdce driver is also in OpenBSD (and presumably NetBSD); on Open at
least it is in the generic kernel so you
contacts, but you
don't want to short them out.
Cheers
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Ian Darwin wrote:
Way off-topic, but the best alarm clock I've ever seen is one that
shoots a little flying disc out of the top when the alarm goes off.
You have to get out of bed, find the disc (perhaps this would
encourage my daughter to clean up her room before going to bed?),
and i
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Michael Shiloh writes:
Way off-topic, but the best alarm clock I've ever seen is one that
shoots a little flying disc out of the top when the alarm goes off.
You have to get out of bed, find the disc (perhaps this would
encourage my daughter to clea
> Seriously, If everyone put as much effort into development as they do into
> bitching and whining this phone would be able to cure cancer by now.
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- not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB
Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above
your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman
said, "it's a phone".
nickd wrote:
> bear in mind it's only usb 1.0
> -nick
Seriously, though. Connect the US
- not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB
Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above
your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman
said, "it's a phone".
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On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 05:55:43PM -0400, Ian Darwin wrote:
> You completely misunderstood what I said. Storing the file name, URL
> *and* its MD5 lets you be sure you are able to reproduce the build. And
What I meant to say here was: "Storing the file name, URL
and the MD5 of
I did mention when I jumped in that I was talking about a slightly
different problem than what you seem to be trying to solve. That said...
Storing your MD5s will let you know *if* you are repeating a build. It
will not (reasonably) let you repeat a build.
You completely misunderstood what I
Hugo Mills wrote:
On Sat, May 03, 2008 at 08:21:27PM -0400, Lally Singh wrote:
Just out of curiosity, would maven be completely out of the question?
Yes.
Please, for the love of all that's holy, no.
I work with maven in my job. It's the most horrible misbegotten
misdesigned piece of h
Ryan Prior wrote:
A synopsis:
Lowell: "Let's make this project community-driven."
Steve: "Please talk to me about it privately."
WTF?
Perhaps you didn't read this part:
I'd rather take this offline with you, since the main focus here
[meaning, on this discussion list, at this time]
steve wrote:
Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer it.
Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to prevent
pouch poaching.
Apparently the dog you see reflected in one of Michael's preliminary
photos did chew up one of the pouches sent in on
> No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the
> box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone,
> but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for
> their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration
steve wrote:
Dhl delivered goodies today. I gave one to my kids. One phone. Two teenage
boys.
Stress testing. They fighting over it. Ha.
If they break the hardware, is that a successful stress test?
Ian
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> Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I
> get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what
> ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the
> innards and not the cosmetics.
In the days of Henry Ford, it made sense to say "You
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As many people, I guess, I sometime wonder if a certain person answering
a question on this mailing list or an other is trustful or not.
To exactly know who is who, I propose to make a list of members on the
wiki.
Cause I didn't found such a page, I created one (Sorry
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
I thought about the risk of loosing the moko or of getting it stolen...
I got the following idea:
If you can't find your moko, you only have to send an SMS with a
special keyword/passphrase to your moko.
It recognises the special text and sends the current coordinates to
Ryan Prior wrote:
This really shows how little the OpenMoko community understands the
Neo. Why port Windows Mobile when we could be porting Windows 3.1?
Windows 3.1 is a lightweight OS which has excellent application
support from a broad and stable base of industry, and which has
successors whic
John Lee wrote:
Dear Community,
A decision has been made _today_ that Openmoko is going to support
Windows mobile. We, the distribution team, want to provide our
customers the maximum freedom in choosing whatever platform they want,
even the close source ones. We will make necessary modificati
ramsesoriginal wrote:
I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for
the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay
extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various
possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom,
write our
Andy Selby wrote:
I have a question:
It will be a long life cellphone? Or will it just be some fragile geek
toy to use with care?
Since you can install anything on it thanks to the openness of the
device, it will remain useful for as long as the device works, for
instance some people are pla
Thanks... Just one thing: how is generated the UID data?
It seems something like:
UID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, how is calculated what I called ${id}?
There is an official spec for the UUID format, or several variants of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uuid
Ian D
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Tom Cooksey wrote:
A friend just forwarded this on to me:
http://www.telecoms.com/itmgcontent/tcoms/news/articles/20017514053.html
Please, PLEASE tell me this is not true? Or at least it's the consumer version
that's
delayed?
Please please read the SECOND WORD of the headline.
Michael Schmidt wrote:
Hi
we need a release of Neo or any other mobile open phone (hardware
setting) now
otherwise the market will overrun the hardware
Thanks, but I hope that isn't intended to be some kind of great new
insight :-)
I can assure you that people inside and outside the compa
Michael Shiloh wrote:
I forgot to mention that the Southern California Linux Expo interviewed
me as a warm-up to the show this weekend:
http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/blog/2008/02/03/interview-with-michael-shiloh-of-openmoko/
You've been wikified (openmoko.org's press page, that is).
Good lu
Regards,
Daniel *The code never lies* Willmann
It does, when marketing names get changed after devs have started
coding. This does happen sometimes :-)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about instead of worrying about the way it's encoded we just write it
January
1, 2008. I think that's pretty much standard. People can get confused
about
2008-07-06 as much as they can 06-07-2008.
No, they cannot. That is always, always year-month-day. It is an
Christ van Willegen wrote:
Hello,
since everyone is editting at the moment... may I suggest
standardising dates on the wiki to ISO 8601 coding, or -mm-dd.
Agree!
20080706 is clearer and much less troublesome to understand.
I hope you mean "2008-07-06" not "20080706".
[an inverted abo
Marcus Bauer wrote:
Quick answer: on a N810 you are happier with maemo-mapper, on the Neo
with tangogps. You have more buttons on the N810 and a landscape screen,
whereas the Neo uses portrait-mode. tangogps was designed to be fast and
to be usable without hardware buttons.
Neo can use portrai
Audrius Meskauskas wrote:
Wallace Jackson wrote:
Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's
JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the
presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that
JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application?
This seems not very likely: JavaFX is something highly advanced an
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 04:36:52PM +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
>> QTopia). But it will probably NOT be easily miscible with the OpenMoko
>> software. It's a complete phone stack, like OpenMoko, like Android, like
>> QTopia.
> You can run QTopia on OpenMoko today.
> See
> http://qtopia.net/modul
Wallace Jackson wrote:
Ian:
Thanks! Is Jalimo superior to AWT?
That's rather like asking if JDK is superior to AWT :-)
Jalimo is an IMPLEMENTATION, as is Sun's JDK (nowadays more formally
called the Java SE SDK). They both offer the AWT API, as well as Swing
and zillions of other APIs. Jal
Wallace Jackson wrote:
... Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's
JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the
presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean that
JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application?
No. Sun were nice enough to credit OpenMoko for making a superior Linux
phone (see their
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 02:03:01PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> Well, first, it will be less of a decision, but rather something like survival
> of the fittest. Second, compiled languages are fine for performance
> critical stuff. Coding application logic in a scripting language makes
> m
andy selby wrote:
Can anyone comment on this company?
http://www.fluffyspider.com/resources/press/pr.20070925.0.html
that picture of the neo is an early photoshopped version from the
openmoko press office with a screenshot of their software superimposed
on it.
couldn't they get a SH1 neo to de
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too.
But I can't connect to the internet: ...
We had two different responses:
1) Mickey concluded it must be resolv.conf;
2) Dr. Schaller concluded the notebook doesn't have
IP forwarding turned on.
How can we differentiate?
If Bob (or Alice) hands his (or her) phone to the other, then if both
phones are shaken in the same hand, the acceleration pattern might
provide an extremely unique yet similar signature, not unlike exchanging
an encryption key.
So if you want to establish a trusted relationship with another
Verizon Wireless opens up
In a stunning about-face, the second-largest wireless carrier in the US,
Verizon Wireless, has said that it would allow any compatible device to
run on its cellular network by the end of next year. What's more, users
will be able to run any application they wish, Veri
> However, it would be nice if you could just put a sim card into the
> Neo (or other OpenMoko) phone, select "copy sim to softsim" from the
> menu, and have a software copy of the sim available in the phone.
> Then you could change back to another physical sim card, and you would
> have dual sim c
flexd wrote:
If you just obey the law, when will they ever need to track you?
Are you serious? Or was that tongue-in-cheek?
That's entirely the wrong kind of question to ask. The question is: if
you just obey the law, why would they need to track you? And so, why do
they need these powers ov
Daniel Robinson wrote:
> Would someone take me off this goddamn list, again?
>
> I was subscribed to it once, and unsubbed, but I keep showing up on it.
>
> What the hell is going on?
You know, that's pretty strong language. There are worse things in the
world than accidentally getting back on
Thomas Wood wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 09:52 -0600, Tim Shannon wrote:
>> I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though
>> originally there was going to be one app that handled all
>> communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen
>> anything like this wi
In other words, pretty much nothing (except for your *very* generous
offer to update phones in person, for which thanks!!).
This is not an occasion for us all to vent frustration at Sean, Mike, et
al. However it is a very good occasion to restate something: everyone,
at all times, involved in
Now this is a great idea. Have it automatically go into stolen mode if
the sim changes. I honestly didn't think about that one.
But this obviously can't become part of the base system; it's a bad idea
for many people. I (and many others I know) legitimately switch SIMs
several times a year
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6217131.html
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It was FIC's window 6-8 months ago but now when the industry stalwarts
are crashing at your door it's time to close up shop, sit on the beach
and think of the next coolest thing.
This project has shown remarkable resilience in the past; people said
the same thing when QTopia was G
... I'm assuming that it runs or will run
Openmoko.
Tim O'Reilly said so too:
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/10/dash_web2summit_openmoko.html
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Doug Sutherland wrote:
Compulab does have, and has always had, very interesting
embedded boards. But before you get excited about this one
that the article states "starting at $122" ... Unless they have
changed their way of doing sales, you don't just buy one
module, you buy an evaluation kit,
has anyone tried this, or even found the download (assuming it's free)?
There is a free download, that you can find from the first page of the
article. Or just go to the bottom of this page
http://www.ok-labs.com/technology/
and click Download.
It might be a good way to switch between Open
Or should I say, "my head is still spinning".
I filed a bug report at 10:59 this morning (bug 947).
At 11:12 there was a response (Thanks Soeren!) that not only addressed
both issues I raised, but provided a fix that worked first time.
When was the last time you got that kind of response from
Brad Pitcher wrote:
The Ubuntu equivalent to setenv is export. Maybe you can just change
them?
Good heavens. Ubuntu wrote their own shell? :-) I think not.
setenv is a csh-ism.
export is a POSIX/sh/ksh/bash-ism (i.e. all mainstream shells).
Friends don't let friends write csh scripts. :-)
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Steve wrote:
You may want to do the opposite. Your phone may think it's being stolen
if you happen to get on something like a wireless connection with
NoCatSplash. (Which hijacks the first attempt to grab a web page in
order to show you a welcome page.)
I'd be tempted to have PGP signed stolen
A busy week for OM talks in North America!
This has been on the "current events" page for a while, but just to
reiterate: I'll be giving a presentation about OpenMoko at the Ontario
Linux Fest in Toronto on Saturday, Oct 13th. The attendees are mostly
Linux fans but I'm guessing most of them w
BBC NEWS | Technology | Apple iPhone warning proves true
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7017660.stm
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I've done enough work in django (python) recently that the idea of going
back to PHP sounds like some kind of really brutal punishment. The
code is really much easier to read, because the code and presentation
are kept in separate files. The original idea with PHP of embedding code
in HTML
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 20:40 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would you really say either gnome or is wasted effort and should be
discontinued? Or vim/gnome,linux/bsd,gecko/webkit/mysql/postgres...
Yes, it's my personal belief that these projects all represent wasted effort
>>and that if they co
Please remember that this is the third, not the second, Linux-based
phone stack for the Neo1973.
Sun, at JavaOne in May, showed a working prototype of a Linux-based Java
phone stack running on the Neo1973. There are many pictures of this on
the web (look in the Press page on the OpenMoko wiki)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137046-c,iphone/article.html
Subtitled "What consumers and companies should have learned from the
recent Apple iPhone price cuts and subsequent backlash."
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Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Product development is messy. There are literally hundreds of components
in this device, all needing to be sourced with different lead times from
different vendors. If SDRAM becomes scarce, we suffer. If a vendor has
yield problems, so we do we.
I encourage you (and every
Best feature would be a Eliza bot in mailman that automagically goes
through this discussion without bothering the subscribers to the list :)
Now that's the best contribution to this whole discussion. Since no 12
developers will ever agree on subject line munging, top/bottom posting,
or any
Robin Paulson wrote:
i've reported it to mcafee siteadvisor and google as a fraudulent site.
Pointless.
Go to their domain hider: http://privacyprotect.org/ and report it as
"Fraud".
> those testimonials are fake, they were up before neo was released, and
> there's no way any user would be
Adam Krikstone wrote:
850Mhz wasn't approved by the FCC:
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=EUN&pc=GTA01BV4
If they are shipping a quad band, it is currently illegal in the US.
That may have something to do with it.
That's odd. Other quad-band phones are sold publicly in the U
PS - That reminds me... am I the only one who thinks you should be able to
select "power off" from the battery status icon?
Or the end of main menu, by analogy with "File->Quit" (or Close).
Either way, it should be clear.
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Tim Milliken wrote:
I am looking into joining in on this project. Welcome aboard!
Welcome aboard!
> I am a windows programmer
and know almost nothing about Linux. Where should I start? Can anyone
give me some starting points on getting started. Like do I have to be
running Linux as a host de
David Gathright wrote:
Hey, all! I've been following OpenMoko for a while now and have just joined
this list. I hope this question is on-topic.
I've been looking for information on whether or not it will be possible with
OpenMoko to disable the data link to the cell phone company. I can't fin
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