Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Fredrik Wendt
tis 2008-10-21 klockan 17:48 +0200 skrev Didier Raboud: > Cédric Berger wrote: > You have to grant your copyright to Google... This is because of yow copyright works, it's the same with GNU so _that_ part really shouldn't hurt if Google had chosen a FOSS style license ... / Fredrik signature.as

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Jim Morris
Cédric Berger wrote: > Here we are > http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html > > time to port to Neo ! > At last maybe we will get a stable, usable O/S for the Neo (which I have shelved until such a thing exists). I was using Qt but

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Jim Ancona
Tarandeep Gill wrote: > What my belief is that the Linux license means that anyone who obtains > a copy of the Linux Kernel in binary form, irrespective of how they > obtained that copy, has a right to the source code used to build that > exact Linux kernel binary. Derivative works of the Linux ker

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Tarandeep Gill
, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:40 you wrote: >> Here we are >> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html >> >> time to port to Neo ! >> >>

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Daniel Benoy
On Tuesday 21 October 2008 11:33:40 you wrote: > Here we are > http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html > > time to port to Neo ! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > comm

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Jim Ancona
ernel patches. Note that both of those licenses are also considered to be "free software" licenses by FSF (see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses). Do you have some other definition of "free software" in mind? > http://code.google.com/android/

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread flamma
> Hey... it says "open-source" (you can read the code) not "free software" > (you can do whatever you want)... I don't know why when some people read "open-source" they understand "open to read" but not "open to modify". Android is

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Cédric Berger
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 17:48, Didier Raboud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cédric Berger wrote: > >> Here we are >> > http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html >> >> time to port to Neo ! > > Hey... it says &q

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread rakshat hooja
Quoting a mail we received sometime ago from Koolu "Koolu presently supplies other distributors globally for Openmoko Freerunners. Due to this volume we can provide lower prices and value add. In November 2008 we start shipping Freerunner with Android pre installed and supported as an o

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Didier Raboud
Cédric Berger wrote: > Here we are > http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html > > time to port to Neo ! Hey... it says "open-source" (you can read the code) not "free software" (you can do whatever you want)...

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Jan Prinsloo
WHO :) Let the games begin! On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Sam Kuper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/10/21 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> time to port to Neo ! > > > I'm going to be watching this with interest! > > ___ > Openmoko c

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Sam Kuper
2008/10/21 Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > time to port to Neo ! I'm going to be watching this with interest! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Paul
Cédric Berger wrote: > Here we are > http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html > > time to port to Neo ! > Now that would be cool... Paul -- Time's fun when you're having flies. -Kermit the Frog http://www.nlpagan.net

Android open sourced

2008-10-21 Thread Cédric Berger
Here we are http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-open-source-cell-phone.html time to port to Neo ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Android

2008-10-06 Thread sampablokuper
not just a recompile away. Probably not an > insane amount of work though either, but this is from a guy not doing > it. > Hmm. It does sound like a fair bit of work. Essentially, I like the idea of developing my own mobile apps. I'd want them to be available to both Android, OpenMoko a

Re: Android

2008-10-05 Thread Mikko Rauhala
su, 2008-10-05 kello 06:01 -0700, sampablokuper kirjoitti: > On a different front, will it be possible to port Android applications (not > the whole OS, just the apps) to distros running on Neo phones? For instance, > if I had a FreeRunner, could I run http://scan.jsharkey.org/ Scan on

Re: Android

2008-10-05 Thread sampablokuper
Cédric Berger wrote: > > Porting android should be possible, but only when its sources are > released (should be when first android phones are available) > The first Android phones are due to be available on http://www.t-mobileg1.com/g1-learn-faqs-phone.aspx 22 Oct 2008 in

Re: Google Android

2008-09-16 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
abatrour wrote: > Many news sources state it is being released on September 23rd. > I watched one video on youtube where they showed it on test hardware running > a 300mhz cpu and it ran very smooth. I'm excited to see how it will run on > the Free Runners when its ported over to arm4. Who knows..

Re: Google Android

2008-09-16 Thread Dan
No, I think you're right about the Java. According to the website the only way to create android apps is java, compiled down to their special bytecode format. Dan 2008/9/16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm glad I was wrong about the Java :-) > Free software fo

Re: Google Android

2008-09-16 Thread prishelec
I'm glad I was wrong about the Java :-) Free software for me is what described on the gnu philosophy page - free as in speech, not free as in beer. That's why I have Freerunner, and not nokia n95 or iPhone. But this is of course my personal view. ___ Ope

Re: Google Android

2008-09-16 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/9/16 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > AFAIK, Java is the "de-facto" standard programming language for the > Android SDK. What is or not Free Software isn't yet known (again AFAIK) > although it was rumoured to be about 20% non-free.

Re: Google Android

2008-09-16 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
Hi, AFAIK, Java is the "de-facto" standard programming language for the Android SDK. What is or not Free Software isn't yet known (again AFAIK) although it was rumoured to be about 20% non-free. But what wouldn't be Free Software? Drivers? User land applications? Low level i

Re: Google Android

2008-09-16 Thread prishelec
I have no intention to install Android, even if it was possible. I think it will not be opensourced(parts written by google). AFAIK the only language to use will be java. On 9/16/08, abatrour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Many news sources state it is being released on Septemb

Google Android

2008-09-15 Thread abatrour
ntext: http://n2.nabble.com/Google-Android-tp1091908p1091908.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Android

2008-08-10 Thread Jim Ancona
arne anka wrote: > sure? i expected the embeddedubuntu people to embrace the freerunner as > first really available device -- but they still do their stuff for armv5 There seems to be a lot of interest in running Android on other platforms (see the android-internals group[1] and this

Re: Android

2008-08-10 Thread arne anka
> Correct! My guess is that once Google releases the source, Freerunner > will be among the first non-partner platforms that Android runs on. sure? i expected the embeddedubuntu people to embrace the freerunner as first really available device -- but they still do their stuff for

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Jim Ancona
s the source, Freerunner will be among the first non-partner platforms that Android runs on. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Martin Vyšný
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 15:30 +0200, Mike Baroukh wrote: > > Somebody already had a look into this: > > > > http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 > > Ok. I gave up. > I would need at least 10 years to make the samething. > > > We have two option

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Baroukh
> Somebody already had a look into this: > > http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Ok. I gave up. I would need at least 10 years to make the samething. > We have two options: either wait for Dalvik to be open-sourced and > recompiled on ARM4, or wait for android

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Martin Vyšný
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 10:59 +0200, Cédric Berger wrote: > On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:08, Mike Baroukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hi all. > > > But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? > > I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and androi

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Cédric Berger
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 10:08, Mike Baroukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi all. > But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? > I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository > available (http://git.android.com/). Android is not yet

Re: Android

2008-08-09 Thread Markus Binsteiner
Somebody already had a look into this: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 Basically the problem is that android is compiled for ARMv5 whereas the neos have got an ARMv4 processor. Cheers, Markus On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 10:08 +0200, Mike Baroukh wrote: > hi all. > >

Android

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Baroukh
romScratch from start to create my own learning distribution on my Neo. But instead I wondered If I could not try to make Android running ? I saw that like for OpenMoko, there is and android git repository available (http://git.android.com/). As I understood, Android is similar to FSO : On

Re: Android on Freerunner ... Would it be possible ?

2008-05-31 Thread Asheesh Laroia
more work that it seems at first glance. Yes, Android is VM platform and yes it runs linux at the bottom, but AFAIK its native libs (libc for example) is not taken from gnu/linux as they are. I read that libc is BSD based and is tuned/modified/completely rewritten (depending where you read it fro

Re: Android on Freerunner ... Would it be possible ?

2008-05-31 Thread Piotr Duda
lance. Yes, Android is VM platform and yes it runs linux at the bottom, but AFAIK its native libs (libc for example) is not taken from gnu/linux as they are. I read that libc is BSD based and is tuned/modified/completely rewritten (depending where you read it from) by google... what does this mean,

Re: Android on Freerunner ... Would it be possible ?

2008-05-30 Thread Mikko Rauhala
On pe, 2008-05-30 at 11:47 +0200, NeoSleg wrote: >I'm hust wondering if it would be possible to install Android on > freerunner when they will be out ... I don't really know if Google > plan to give their system to the public or only distributed with new > devices ... A

Android on Freerunner ... Would it be possible ?

2008-05-30 Thread NeoSleg
Hi all, I'm hust wondering if it would be possible to install Android on freerunner when they will be out ... I don't really know if Google plan to give their system to the public or only distributed with new devices ... Does anyone have more infos on this ? Any date of Andro

Re: Android (Re: Qtopia Vs. GTK or both?)

2008-05-25 Thread Piotr Duda
Arnout Engelen pisze: [...] Hmm, do you have any references to support that claim? That'd suck, Dalvik looks pretty interesting (also for Openmoko). IIRC, it was promised by Google to be open... Im not following Android very carefully, so Im not up to date with this... maybe it is al

Re: Android (Re: Qtopia Vs. GTK or both?)

2008-05-25 Thread Torfinn Ingolfsen
pretty interesting (also for Openmoko). There are a few indications at least http://www.retrodev.com/android/dexformat.html http://code.google.com/android/kb/licensingandoss.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_t

Android (Re: Qtopia Vs. GTK or both?)

2008-05-25 Thread Arnout Engelen
On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 12:25:26AM +0400, t3st3r wrote: > as far as I understand, Android just a java-based crap which ONLY uses > Linux as low-level engine, without any native apps or UI frameworks like QT > or GTK. Let's not start a language war yet again :). Indeed it looks li

Re: customized CPE - Android & Openmoko

2008-04-09 Thread Andreas Zuber
> If you look at the Android software stack, you will notice that they > basically only use the Linux kernel and a few traditional 'helper' > libraries, written in C (jpg, png, etc). > But the bulk of the system is written from scratch. They even have > their own lib

Re: customized CPE - Android & Openmoko

2008-04-04 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Marcus Bauer wrote: For all those who have missed it out, there is a company named Koolu which is going to sell the Neo with Android. [1] CTO of Koolu is Jon 'maddog' Hall, quite a well known personality. As another note, they just changed availability for developers from March to Jun

Re: customized CPE - Android & Openmoko

2008-04-04 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 01:25 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > Let me use this opportunity to talk a bit about Openmoko and Android. > First of all we really like Android! We don't see Android as > competition, it is complementary to what we are doing and may help us > in ma

Re: customized CPE - Android & Openmoko

2008-04-04 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/4/08, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > If you look at the Android software stack, you will notice that they > basically only use the Linux kernel and a few traditional 'helper' > libraries, written in C (jpg, png, etc). > But the bulk of the sy

Re: customized CPE - Android & Openmoko

2008-04-04 Thread Lucas Bonnet
Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dear khang, > > Let me use this opportunity to talk a bit about Openmoko and Android. > First of all we really like Android! We don't see Android as > competition, it is complementary to what we are doing and may help us >

Re: customized CPE - Android & Openmoko

2008-04-04 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Dear khang, Is OpenMoko CPE a good choice for niche or special applications or not ??? Any ideas ? If not , many of the developers will go for Android . That is not good . Let me use this opportunity to talk a bit about Openmoko and Android. First of all we

Re[2]: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-17 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Lorn Potter wrote: > Zeth Green wrote: >> Back to the topic, I am interested in OpenMoko for two reasons. Firstly, and >> most importantly, as has been previously expressed, the current Android >> platform proposals and similar Linux phones such as motorola's own Linux

Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-17 Thread Lorn Potter
Zeth Green wrote: Back to the topic, I am interested in OpenMoko for two reasons. Firstly, and most importantly, as has been previously expressed, the current Android platform proposals and similar Linux phones such as motorola's own Linux platform are thoroughly uninteresting to me s

Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-17 Thread dwight at supercomputer.org
> And in particular, regarding Lorn's point below, how do you feel > about the different APIs? > > By the way, this is not meant to start an "us vs. them" battle. > I'm not out to prove that one is better than the other. > > Android, Qtopia, and OpenMoko

Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-17 Thread Jay Vaughan
This is what I've currently got on my OM: i would dearly love to have pyglet, personally .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-17 Thread Tim Knapp
> hardware (no rush). I imagine there are many people in that position. > > Back to the topic, I am interested in OpenMoko for two reasons. Firstly, and > most importantly, as has been previously expressed, the current Android > platform proposals and similar Linux phones s

Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-17 Thread Jay Vaughan
For myself I like scripting languages, Python being my favourite, and I am hoping the OpenMoko will either come with some kind of scripting language or let me get one via the package manager. (I'm sure you guys have a plan for this - as I said I am just a lurker so do not know all the details

Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-17 Thread Zeth Green
ed in OpenMoko for two reasons. Firstly, and most importantly, as has been previously expressed, the current Android platform proposals and similar Linux phones such as motorola's own Linux platform are thoroughly uninteresting to me so far, there are already a million phones that let you

Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-16 Thread Brandon Kruse
For one, if I understand correctly, android is all java...no thanks. With the whole openmoko "build your app package fast" tutorial (dev kit), certainly makes it more appealing. Brandon Kruse (bkruse) On Jan 16, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Michael Shil

Re: What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-16 Thread Mathew Davis
with the hardware that truly makes the neo 1973 and openmoko such a powerful tool. I have worked with the Openmoko's API and I have looked at the android api and they both seem to offer advantages. The Android API seems to be easier to use but less powerful. If you really need control

What are pros and cons of the different devel environments: qtopia, android, openmoko

2008-01-16 Thread Michael Shiloh
tures make you choose one over the other? And in particular, regarding Lorn's point below, how do you feel about the different APIs? By the way, this is not meant to start an "us vs. them" battle. I'm not out to prove that one is better than the other. Android, Qtopia, and O

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-12-09 Thread Alex Zhang
So, to get Android running, you need a processor with ARM v5 ISA. I.e. A gumstix with its XScale processor (Both PXA255 & PXA270 should work). Anyone fancy having a go at putting Android on their MyPhone? Hi All, I am trying to get Android running on my motorola A1200E (based on PX

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-27 Thread Shaul Kedem
from the faq: Where can I find the open source components of Android? You can find the kernel at http://git.android.com and the other mirrored GPL and LGPL'd components at http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list. Notices for other licenses can be found within the SDK. On Nov 27,

RE: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-27 Thread thomas.cooksey
>Let's look at this as a great opportunity. Presumably, all of these >phones will have a working linux kernel and drivers that are available >for them, whither the Android platform is truly open or not, surely >this is a big with for the OSS-phone community. This is exactly how

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread William Voorhees
Let's look at this as a great opportunity. Presumably, all of these phones will have a working linux kernel and drivers that are available for them, whither the Android platform is truly open or not, surely this is a big with for the OSS-phone community. -Will On Nov 22, 2007 2:50 PM, Rod W

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Rod Whitby
pany to use the > same code like the official manufacturer do. > > Or do i miss something? Yes, you missed the vital step of not accusing GPL violation until you determine whether the code in question is actually licensed under the GPL. The Android system is an aggregation of thi

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Lorn Potter
hey have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and see what > > happens, > > > It's not GPLv2 until they actually release it under that license, until now > they seem to release only the part they absolutely have to. > I am pretty sure Google is not going to release a

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread AVee
> happens, It's not GPLv2 until they actually release it under that license, until now they seem to release only the part they absolutely have to. I am pretty sure Google is not going to release anything allowing anyone to run Android on a actual phone until the first official Android p

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Vincent
On 22/11/2007, Stefan Lischke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Isn't google violating GPLv2 when it does not release the Code now? > I could use some GPL'ed code, change it, give it to manufacturer and say > i'll release it to public when the product is finish. > Thats totally against GPL, ca

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Stefan Lischke
Hi, Isn't google violating GPLv2 when it does not release the Code now? I could use some GPL'ed code, change it, give it to manufacturer and say i'll release it to public when the product is finish. Thats totally against GPL, cause it prevents other company to use the same code like the official m

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
What a great "opensource-project"... On 11/22/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shaul Kedem wrote: > > One of his ways out of this is "Google releasing the source and > > someone else compiling for ARMv4." now google said they will open the > > source (they have no choice, its GPLv2)

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Rod Whitby
Shaul Kedem wrote: > One of his ways out of this is "Google releasing the source and > someone else compiling for ARMv4." now google said they will open the > source (they have no choice, its GPLv2) so I'd wait and see what > happens, It is also reported that Google has said that the source won't

Re: No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread Shaul Kedem
> There has been some serious effort trying to get Android to run on the > Neo: > > http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 > > It was at the point where he started writing code to emulate ARMv5 > instructions on an ARMv4 that I was thinking "If anyone can get it &g

No Android on the Neo1973 - Only MyPhone left

2007-11-22 Thread thomas.cooksey
There has been some serious effort trying to get Android to run on the Neo: http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 It was at the point where he started writing code to emulate ARMv5 instructions on an ARMv4 that I was thinking "If anyone can get it running, it's going to b

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-21 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Wednesday 21 November 2007 18:13:15 Lorn Potter wrote: > > First Qtopia is not open enough, > > I guess you didn't read that Qtopia Phone is completely GPL, lock, > stock and barrel. I guess you didn't read AVee's mail very closely. Seems to me that he was mocking that complaint, not making i

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-21 Thread Lorn Potter
AVee wrote: > On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54, Marcelo Lira wrote: Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. >> So, this is a problem, but it is ok to use free software to help the growth >> of a company that profits in selling licenses for closed source software?

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-21 Thread AVee
On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54, Marcelo Lira wrote: > >>Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. > > So, this is a problem, but it is ok to use free software to help the growth > of a company that profits in selling licenses for closed source software? > > >>Trolltech

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-20 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54:09 Marcelo Lira wrote: > Yes, GPL guarantees that, but a library in GPL is not that useful for a > developer that sometimes have to do closed source apps. And please don't > start with the "I will not help anyone developing closed source" discourse, > since a numbe

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-19 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Lorn Potter wrote: > If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' > and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. It is perfectly reasonable to me that Nokia and FIC get to decide the software that's installed on their hardware. But that do

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-19 Thread Marcelo Lira
>From my POV, when people at OpenMoko decided on GTK for its paltform they are giving developers the ability to participate and influence *directly* on its development, and create great apps, both opensource and proprietary, without paying any license fees. The Nokia decision when build the Maemo p

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-19 Thread Marcelo Lira
>>License fees for Qtopia (and Qt) are a pittance compared to the fees of >>even one engineer for one year for any company Yes I agree with you before you said it: > Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue >>You can influence directly the development of Qtopia very easily. It appear

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-19 Thread Marcelo Lira
>>Free software is worth encouraging. Status quo closed source is not. So, this is a problem, but it is ok to use free software to help the growth of a company that profits in selling licenses for closed source software? >>Trolltech GPL's most of the code it develops, which guarantees that >>softw

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

2007-11-19 Thread Lorn Potter
Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Lorn Potter wrote: If you look at the development, both Nokia and Openmoko 'runs the show' and has the last say on their respective platforms, not the community. It is perfectly reasonable to me that Nokia and FIC get to decide the software that's installed on their hard

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Marcelo Lira wrote: >>License fees for Qtopia (and Qt) are a pittance compared to the fees of >>even one engineer for one year for any company Yes I agree with you before you said it: > Look that the pricing is not the most importante issue >>You can influence directly the development of Qto

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-18 Thread Lorn Potter
Marcelo Lira wrote: >From my POV, when people at OpenMoko decided on GTK for its paltform they are giving developers the ability to participate and influence *directly* on its development, and create great apps, both opensource and proprietary, without paying any license fees. The Nokia decisi

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread Enno "Gottox" Boland
-.- ok another flamewar... lets participate. > Hi! Actualy those are not operating systems. Operating system is for > example Linux. It is used for OpenMoko and Qtopia (I'm not sure for > Android but I think also). Don't feed the troll... ... ... ... Oh, I really have to! Linux

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread Lorn Potter
Michael Schmidt wrote: Hi If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an operating system - the current openmoko GTK operating system - Qtopia from Trolltech - Android linux from google. Not an option at this time. Android (the VM) looks like it is another java platform

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Nov 16, 2007, o godz 4:42 PM, przez Enno Gottox Boland: -.- ok another flamewar... lets participate. Hi! Actualy those are not operating systems. Operating system is for example Linux. It is used for OpenMoko and Qtopia (I'm not sure for Android but I think

RE: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needsapplications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread David Schlesinger
Very true. An extremely small amount of actual source code, none of it especially useful, was released with Android. The core libraries, as well as the Dalvik virtual machine, the tools, etc., were only released in binary form. The only sources provided were - the kernel - WebKit - the QEMU-based

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Nov 16, 2007, o godz 2:30 PM, przez Michael Schmidt: Hi If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an operating system - the current openmoko GTK operating system - Qtopia from Trolltech - Android linux from google. Hi! Actualy those are

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread Richard Bennett
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:59:33 +0100, Michael Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So make a poll for GTK-OS versus Qtopia. maybe it is not only a technical question. Is there an emulator to test both systems on my windows machine? then i can give a vote based on the stomach. If not, then I vote f

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread Thomas Wood
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 14:59 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: [...] > So make a poll for GTK-OS versus Qtopia. > maybe it is not only a technical question. Is there an emulator to > test both systems on my windows machine? then i can give a vote based > on the stomach. If not, then I vote for Qtopia,

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread Michael Schmidt
2007/11/16, Ross Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 14:30 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: > > If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an > > operating system > > - the current openmoko GTK operating system > > - Qtopia f

GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread Michael Schmidt
Hi If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an operating system - the current openmoko GTK operating system - Qtopia from Trolltech - Android linux from google. It is right that a the community is devided between Qt and GTK, and that additionally the community is

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android - (was: Re: Android needs applications) (will be: new vision for openmoko)

2007-11-16 Thread Ross Burton
On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 14:30 +0100, Michael Schmidt wrote: > If I understand it right, the neo phone has now three options for an > operating system > - the current openmoko GTK operating system > - Qtopia from Trolltech > - Android linux from google. Last time I looked, the ful

Re: Android isn't a Java Platform - Say Hello to Dalvik

2007-11-13 Thread Doug Sutherland
On a related note, the J2ME from Sun is now open source https://phoneme.dev.java.net/ "The project scope includes a focus on the mainstream feature phone segment with phoneME Feature software, and the emerging advanced phone segment with phoneME Advanced software." Regarding Andro

Re: Android videos

2007-11-13 Thread AVee
On Monday 12 November 2007 20:52, Dean Collins wrote: > Android videos available here > http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles-android-os-early-look-sdk-now > -available These video's do show what it is all about, according to google. Ofcourse there is internet access (with t

Re: Android isn't a Java Platform - Say Hello to Dalvik

2007-11-13 Thread Brad Midgley
hey friend MS got in trouble with Sun for doing something a little bit similar, but they had a licensing agreement in place that put MS in hot water. I wonder if on a technical level it rules out cool stuff like jruby... > > - Android code is written to a unique dialect of Java (super/

Re: Android isn't a Java Platform - Say Hello to Dalvik

2007-11-13 Thread Joshua Layne
William Weinberg wrote: Dear OpenMoko Friends See the following blog about the "neat tricks" that Google performed to sidestep Sun Java licensing requirements. http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/ The short of is - Android code is written to a unique dialect of J

Android isn't a Java Platform - Say Hello to Dalvik

2007-11-13 Thread William Weinberg
Dear OpenMoko Friends See the following blog about the "neat tricks" that Google performed to sidestep Sun Java licensing requirements. http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/ The short of is - Android code is written to a unique dialect of Java (super/subset) th

Re: Android videos

2007-11-13 Thread Jonathan Spooner
Superb. Their SDK kind of reminds me of the differences in getting to work with GTK and Qt. Jon Dean Collins wrote: Android videos available here http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles-android-os-early-look-sdk-now -available Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL

developing C/C++ applications for OpenMoko and Android

2007-11-12 Thread Lalo Martins
Also spracht Ted Lemon (Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:57:05 -0700): > On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 14:39 -0600, William Voorhees wrote: >> I hope they do it soon, I just downloaded the Android (google) SDK, and >> I must say I'm rather impressed. > > The demos are great. But it lo

Android videos

2007-11-12 Thread Dean Collins
Android videos available here http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles-android-os-early-look-sdk-now -available Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney i

Re: "Google's Android has long road ahead"

2007-11-06 Thread Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
the "viral infection" problem > often associated with other licenses. > > > > On 06/11/2007, Florent Delvaille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The good thing is that OpenMoko and Android are OpenSource. > > Then maybe the Androiddevelopers could take some basis/idea

Re: "Google's Android has long road ahead"

2007-11-06 Thread Joseph Reeves
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The good thing is that OpenMoko and Android are OpenSource. > Then maybe the Androiddevelopers could take some basis/ideas to OpenMoko , > and OpenMoko to Android. > > Ok the goal of OpenMoko is not the same as Android. Android is based on a > lot of socie

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