Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

2008-01-11 Thread Jeff Andros
On Jan 11, 2008 11:26 PM, Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible.

Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-10 Thread Gilbert Hartmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Shiloh wrote: Neo FreeRunner press release and the CPU speed -- The Neo FreeRunner press release that went out last week indicated a 500MHz CPU which, as many of you pointed out, is in conflict

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-10 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
year and calendar year, I suppose? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 1:09 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Community update, January 2, 2008 At my employer, 1st quarter

Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Ian, ian douglas wrote: Although it would be nice to take advantage of this faster processor, 3 problems make this impractical Michael, If I'm reading your message correctly, the GTA02 will indeed have a 500MHz processor, but will not be running at 500MHz because of the three

Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008

2008-01-10 Thread Lon Lentz
Michael, Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this? On Jan 10, 2008 4:20 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A brief status report from OpenMoko: Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas We've just

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-09 Thread Joseph Reeves
Hello everyone, I'm going to ask possibly a simple question, but one that's quite important to me and the company I work for. FreeRunner is due for release at the end of Spring, but which Spring is this? East Asia? US? Europe? I'm in the UK and greatly looking forward to the FreeRunner, but

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-09 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello Joseph, The spring we're talking about is spring in North America, but please note that this is an estimate, not a guarantee, and please note that the software will not be consumer ready. Michael Joseph Reeves wrote: Hello everyone, I'm going to ask possibly a simple question, but

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2008-01-09 Thread Andrew Clunis
On Mon, 2007-12-10 at 09:35 -0500, Adam King wrote: Hi Michael: As I mentioned in a previous email to you, I'm in a 850Mhz _only_ area - so I can test the handset for you - though I am in Canada. Provider is Rogers and the area is Ottawa. Also, would there be any possibility of

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-09 Thread Jeff Bailes
FreeRunner is due for release at the end of Spring, but which Spring is this? East Asia? US? Europe? I have to say, spring is a bad description of when FreeRunner will be released, though from my knowledge East Asia, the US and Europe all have spring at the same time +- 24 hours. I'm

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-09 Thread Rod Whitby
Jeff Bailes wrote: FreeRunner is due for release at the end of Spring, but which Spring is this? East Asia? US? Europe? I have to say, spring is a bad description of when FreeRunner will be released, though from my knowledge East Asia, the US and Europe all have spring at the same

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-03 Thread Mike Montour
Thank you for the update. When do you expect to have results from the 850-MHz GTA01 testing? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-03 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Thursday 03 January 2008 05:51:06 Michael Shiloh wrote: Hello everyone, Next week at CES we will formally preview GTA02 to the public. We are doing this at an invitation-only media event, and not the general show floor. Any chance to see a video of that event? Maybe even in decent (i.e.

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-03 Thread Roland Dreier
The bulk of the press release discusses the hardware features of GTA02, of which you are all well aware. Actually I do have one question coming from the press release -- it says: FreeRunner will come in two versions: a 850MHz tri-band and a 900Mhz tri-band. Does this mean that OpenMoko has

Community update, January 2, 2008

2008-01-02 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello everyone, Next week at CES we will formally preview GTA02 to the public. We are doing this at an invitation-only media event, and not the general show floor. To coincide with this we are sending out a press release tomorrow morning. The bulk of the press release discusses the hardware

Re: Community update, GTA02v5 status?

2007-12-21 Thread Erland Lewin
Thanks for the updates, Michael. Any update on how the GTA02v5 evaluation is proceeding? /Erland ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

RE: Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007

2007-12-21 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:42:53 -0700, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as there's the Equifax security certificate it'll support our network. It would also be a huge move for cell phone wifi as it would be the only phone that works with our network. Richard And

Re: Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007

2007-12-21 Thread Chris Hessing
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Hessing Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:13 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007 Richard

Re: Community update, GTA02v5 status?

2007-12-21 Thread Michael Shiloh
Erland Lewin wrote: Thanks for the updates, Michael. Any update on how the GTA02v5 evaluation is proceeding? /Erland Hi Erland, As mentioned on 12/06/2007 We are waiting for confirmation of Wifi and a few other parts of the GTA02a4 hardware before we manufacture even a small test run

Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007

2007-12-20 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello, GTA01 850MHz Experiment --- As mentioned in the last update, we modified a couple of GTA01 handsets for 850MHz operation to test them in the USA. Due to the enthusiastic response I received to my request for testing volunteers I've asked our hardware group to modify

Re: Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007

2007-12-20 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Any idea about the wpa2 and peap authentication compatibility I had asked you about during the previous community update? Richard

Re: Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007

2007-12-20 Thread ian douglas
GSM Firmware Update --- We are still waiting for the signed agreement allowing you to update the GSM firmware yourselves. Meanwhile, we have resolved the difficulties I was having in performing the upgrade, and I am now able to upgrade your handsets. Anyone interested in having

Re: Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007

2007-12-20 Thread Chris Hessing
___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Any idea about the wpa2 and peap authentication compatibility I had asked you about during the previous community update? Richard I am currently porting

RE: Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007

2007-12-20 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Hessing Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:13 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Re: Community update, Thursday, December 20 2007 Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Michael Shiloh

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: Dnia poniedziałek, 10 grudnia 2007, Richard Reichenbacher napisał: I am a student at the University of Arizona and work for the IT department. We have one of the worlds largest Cisco Radius wifi setups in the world. Our main wifi network uses wpa enterprise with

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 10 December 2007, Nick Guenther wrote: On 12/9/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of

Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Patrick Davila
Michael, I'm in an 850/1900 area as well. I live in eastern Pennsylvania (Lehigh Valley) and often drive to/from New York, New Jersey and Connecticut. I sometimes drive to the suburban Philadelphia area as well. My mobile provider is ATT and my current phone's SIM chip is listed as working with

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Mark
In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was required to switch a phone board to 850 for testing. So my question is what exactly is involved. Was it simply switching which pin is attached to the antenna? If it is a relatively simple circuit change and involving only a

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Adam King
Hi Michael: As I mentioned in a previous email to you, I'm in a 850Mhz _only_ area - so I can test the handset for you - though I am in Canada. Provider is Rogers and the area is Ottawa. Also, would there be any possibility of releasing the changes made to the GTA01 to make it 850Mhz

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Jonathon Suggs
-Original Message- From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Cliff Brake
I would also be very interested in re-work instructions for modifying a GTA01 to support 850MHz as many of us are capable doing circuit modifications. Thanks, Cliff On Dec 10, 2007 9:32 AM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
workaround and almost nullify my no-quadband issues. -Jonathon -Original Message- From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Community update

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
As mentioned earlier, this requires replacing a number of components, firmware changes, and recalibration. Michael Mark wrote: In regards to the 850MHz Issue: It seems that very little effort was required to switch a phone board to 850 for testing. So my question is what exactly is involved.

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
Yes, but not the recalibration or the firmware changes. One step at a time - let's see if these units work, and if so, we'll look into if there is any way to tackle the other issues. Michael Cliff Brake wrote: I would also be very interested in re-work instructions for modifying a GTA01 to

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
Jason Joines wrote: Is there any possibility of a future hardware version becoming quad band? As mentioned earlier, there is no chance that GTA02 will be quad-band. There is certainly a possibility that future products will be quad-band. Michael

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Tim Shannon
I'm curious, since these 850 variants are most likely going to be an option, when can we expect them? Are they going to be available at the same time as the public offering of the GTA02, or are they going to be available way after that? On Dec 9, 2007 6:01 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-10 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello Tim, OpenMoko does not predict when things will be ready; rather, we try to communicate as much as possible on what we are doing and what we hope to do. By the way, you say ... most likely going to be an option I'd like to point out that we are still evaluating the possibility of

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-09 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
Wifi driver: We're making very good progress, but it's still not finished. GTA02 hardware: Still waiting for the Wifi driver to verify the Wifi hardware, but so far we're feeling quite good about this part. There are a couple of other things to verify, and as mentioned before we will most

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-09 Thread Michael Shiloh
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Wifi driver: We're making very good progress, but it's still not finished. GTA02 hardware: Still waiting for the Wifi driver to verify the Wifi hardware, but so far we're feeling quite good about this part. There are a couple of other things to verify, and as

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-09 Thread Nick Guenther
On 12/9/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-09 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi, GSM Firmware update: We've been informed that everything legal has been agreed upon by all parties, and all that remains is to get everything signed. Apparently the process of getting things signed takes a few weeks! 850MHz experiment: As mentioned before we're

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-09 Thread William Voorhees
Hi, I live in Southern Minnesota, in the area indicated by the blue spot on this map: http://people.ku.edu/~cinema/wireless/cing-attws_800_850.html It would seem that I would be a candidate for testing the 850mhz reception. Let me know if I can help. -Will On Dec 9, 2007 8:46 PM, Richard

Re: Community update: GSM firmware, 850MHz experiment, GTA02 progress

2007-12-09 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia poniedziałek, 10 grudnia 2007, Richard Reichenbacher napisał: I am a student at the University of Arizona and work for the IT department. We have one of the worlds largest Cisco Radius wifi setups in the world. Our main wifi network uses wpa enterprise with peap authentication and the

Re: Community Update

2007-11-30 Thread Jeremiah Flerchinger
Standard Precision Service (SPS) for GPS is open to the general public and all information related to it should be unclassified, although some is For Official Use Only (FOUO). Pres Bill Clinton made a Presidential Decree, when he was in office, that gave undiluted precision of SPS to the

Re: Community Update

2007-11-29 Thread Kyle Bassett
Curiosity prevails: I do see a few benefits to a device which is just a GPS radio, like what Ian has stated. Would their be any legal ramifications to a reverse-engineered open source binary interpreter for the GPS radio? I saw a few people mention government concerns with having access to a

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-27 Thread Chris Hessing
Michael - Thanks for the update! Is there anything that we could do to help move the wifi driver along? Or is the hold up somewhere inside Atheros or the madwifi team? Thanks! Michael Shiloh wrote: Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: Michael Shiloh ha scritto: The gating factor is still

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-27 Thread Michael Shiloh
Thanks for the offer, Chris. I will ask the Wifi guy, but I think most of the work right now involves reading the data sheet which is under NDA and writing the code. I will check. Michael Chris Hessing wrote: Michael - Thanks for the update! Is there anything that we could do to help

November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Community, Some updates: GSM Firmware fix for 3G ATT users: Background: Until we figure out a way to let customers update their GSM firmware, I was offering to do it. Status: Unfortunately, I've not been able to connect reliably with the GSM hardware debug serial port. I'm working on

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Lucas Bonnet
Michael Shiloh a écrit : As usual, questions, comments, and corrections are welcome. And, as usual, thanks a lot for the Community Update! -- Lucas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Ben Burdette
Thanks for the update! I'm relieved to hear that 850mhz is not a dead duck. I'm keeping my hopes up for an 850 capable gta02. Ben Burdette ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
Wiadomość napisana w dniu Nov 26, 2007, o godz 8:41 PM, przez Michael Shiloh: Hi Community, Hi Michael! What about neccessity to make fifth revision of GTA02? Do you confirm that ver. 4 of hardware is buggy? Thanks! Krzysztof ___ OpenMoko

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hi Krzysztof, I did get a description but I didn't understand it. It has something to do with the interface to the coulomb counter on the battery. At any rate, I think they'll hold off on a5 until they get the confirmation about the Wifi hardware. Michael Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Felix Andersen
So the public launch of GTA02 might be delayed further? mån 2007-11-26 klockan 13:56 -0800 skrev Michael Shiloh: Hi Krzysztof, I did get a description but I didn't understand it. It has something to do with the interface to the coulomb counter on the battery. At any rate, I think they'll

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
The gating factor is still the Wifi driver. We don't expect a5 to add much of a delay. Michael Felix Andersen wrote: So the public launch of GTA02 might be delayed further? mån 2007-11-26 klockan 13:56 -0800 skrev Michael Shiloh: Hi Krzysztof, I did get a description but I didn't understand

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
Michael Shiloh ha scritto: The gating factor is still the Wifi driver. We don't expect a5 to add much of a delay. Michael Felix Andersen wrote: [snip] So what about to have a phisical switch for the 850Mhz issue in rev05 if it's not so complicated? Or a partial solution to that? Also if

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread Michael Shiloh
Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: Michael Shiloh ha scritto: The gating factor is still the Wifi driver. We don't expect a5 to add much of a delay. Michael Felix Andersen wrote: [snip] So what about to have a phisical switch for the 850Mhz issue in rev05 if it's not so complicated? Or a

Re: November 26, 2007 Community Update

2007-11-26 Thread mcb, inc.
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Michael Shiloh wrote: Some updates: GSM Firmware fix for 3G ATT users: Background: Until we figure out a way to let customers update their GSM firmware, I was offering to do it. Status: Unfortunately, I've not been able to connect reliably with the GSM hardware debug

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Ian Darwin wrote: Anything less will lead to this sort of frustration, over and over again. It is not always possible. The way I figured it out, the GSM module will always be closed. This is not due to the hardware specs being unknown, but due to the fact that the law requires a transmitter to

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread hank williams
exactly accurate respose/analysis. Hank On Nov 14, 2007 4:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Darwin wrote: Anything less will lead to this sort of frustration, over and over again. It is not always possible. The way I figured it out, the GSM module will always be

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread Mike Montour
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Regarding the GPS, please pay attention to the fact that the GTA-02 did not solve this problem. It merely moved the non open source component from the software to the firmware. This solves the supporting libraries problem, but does not allow openness. It solved the

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread Doug Sutherland
Shachar Shemesh The way I figured it out, the GSM module will always be closed. This is not due to the hardware specs being unknown, but due to the fact that the law requires a transmitter to be approved by the FCC, and it is impossible to get an approval for a transmitter that allows anyone

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-14 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Mike Montour wrote: A serial-attached GPS module with closed-source firmware is no worse than the hard drive with closed-source firmware in everyone's desktop PC. Just for the record - I agree. It is unrealistic to expect EVERYTHING to be open source at this stage. I'm just stating that the move

Re: Community update: GSM firmware and GPS driver

2007-11-13 Thread Ian Darwin
In other words, pretty much nothing (except for your *very* generous offer to update phones in person, for which thanks!!). This is not an occasion for us all to vent frustration at Sean, Mike, et al. However it is a very good occasion to restate something: everyone, at all times, involved

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-09 Thread William Voorhees
I realize the 850mhz issue is complex and you can't give an answer right away, but I'd like to know when we could expect one? I'm one of the many North American's who needs the 850 band, and If I know it's coming I'm going to start doing some software dev, if it's not I'll start looking elsewhere.

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-09 Thread AVee
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 03:36, Jon wrote: I'd suggest everyone find their country on GSM World: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml and check their providers. Unfortunately some of the maps don't differentiate between 850 and 1900 (for example Rogers Wireless in Canada).

Neo case-modding ? (was Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue)

2007-11-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The centered, 4.5 Diag *Finger Touch* screen with one thumb width of grip space on either end of a basically rectangular device is a Golden Form Factor. Interesting, so we got it almost right ? Screen size is of course different, but you could probably case-mod the

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-08 Thread Michael Shiloh
I was a little imprecise here. The circuit design, and thus board layout, is what limits the handset to 3 bands. The components selected (along with firmware and certification) select the 900/1800/1900MHz bands. Michael Randall Mason wrote: Michael said above that it was a question of a

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:17 -0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue Agreed, I'm in California as well, and though I bought a pre-paid T Mobile card, it doesn't work either because of the 3G issue. It would seem the 850 issue plus the 3G issue has just 'bricked' my Neo

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Jae Stutzman
Man this royally sucks for me. We only get 100% coverage because of the 850 band where I live. 1900 is being added slowly, but not anywhere close to full coverage. Anybody want a neo? I sure wish this information would have been provided _before_ the purchase. Jae

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Jonathon Suggs
discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:37:15 -0600 Man this royally sucks for me. We only get 100% coverage because of the 850 band where I live. 1900 is being added slowly, but not anywhere close to full coverage. Anybody want

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Joe Dluzen
I too am on the must have 850 list. Unfortunately not all companies provide their individual coverage maps on that site, but the large PDFs http://www.coveragemaps.com/gsmposter_americas.htm and http://www.coveragemaps.com/gsmposter_world.htm look to be a composite of all the GSM providers, some

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread hank williams
] Reply-To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org To: List for OpenMoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:37:15 -0600 Man this royally sucks for me. We only get 100% coverage

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this substantially sets back the development effort, it really is a major blow to the

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread AVee
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 03:36, Jon wrote: I'd suggest everyone find their country on GSM World: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml and check their providers. Unfortunately some of the maps don't differentiate between 850 and 1900 (for example Rogers Wireless in Canada).

RE: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread thomas.cooksey
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this substantially sets back the development effort, it really is a major blow to the

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread hank williams
On 11/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this substantially sets back the

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread hank williams
On 11/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this substantially sets back the

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread AVee
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:06, hank williams wrote: Yeah, I am pretty amazed at this one. Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. Frankly, i'm not that suprised, 850 really is a US thing. You are missing out on lot of

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread AVee
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 04:13, Michael Shiloh wrote: I would guess that if we make such a variant, we would offer both, but I don't know for sure. Please realize that I'm just asking the question in anticipation that the information might be useful at some point. I'm not suggesting that

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread AVee
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:34, hank williams wrote: On 11/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread polz
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:22:22 Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this substantially sets

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Joshua Layne
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:37:39 -0800, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to add to the fire on this one, but no 850 is a definite deal breaker. No quad-band is a serious limitation, as it has been marketed since inception as a quad-band phone. I see now that the openmoko.com page

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Dave O'Connor
Howdy, I'm in Vancouver too, just tested my phone (motorola L2) against the 850/1900 network and it works (registers with fido) while 900/1800 doesn't. You can only select them in those pairs but I'm not sure how that will work on the neo. Can anyone clarify some more? Regards Dave On Mon,

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread hank williams
Common, take a look outside of your own borders. It's hard to inmagine an Open Source phone gaining any traction at all in the US, land of software patents, closed standards and telco control. There are quit a few OSS projects doing just fine despite being illegal in the US, an Open Source

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Tim Shannon
Just curious, I don't know much about the hardware in question, but is it just a firmware issue, or does the hardware have to physically change to move between the 900 or the 850 frequency? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Mike Hodson
On 11/6/07, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:06, hank williams wrote: Yeah, I am pretty amazed at this one. Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think through what frequencies were needed. Frankly, i'm not that suprised, 850 really

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Randall Mason
Michael said above that it was a question of a physical hardware change: The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead we support 900/1800/1900MHz. Board layout is a hardware issue. On 11/6/07,

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
=== === On Tuesday 06 November 2007 11:46:11 am Mike Hodson wrote: I literally go to www.au.kddi.com and cry. Really? Literally? :p ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Randall Mason
Actually, http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html and http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-03-hardware.html still state quad... On 11/6/07, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:37:39 -0800, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to add to the

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Mike Hodson
On 11/6/07, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, I don't know much about the hardware in question, but is it just a firmware issue, or does the hardware have to physically change to move between the 900 or the 850 frequency? From what people are saying its firmware, hardware, and

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Mike Hodson
On 11/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: === === On Tuesday 06 November 2007 11:46:11 am Mike Hodson wrote: I literally go to www.au.kddi.com and cry. Really? Literally? :p I *have* shed tears looking at the amazing gorgeous super-huge-lcd flips that are as thin as a matchbook

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Nov 6, 2007 6:39 PM, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Common, take a look outside of your own borders. It's hard to inmagine an Open Source phone gaining any traction at all in the US, land of software patents, closed standards and telco control. There are quit a few OSS

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Randall Mason
The facts don't matter a bunch in this discussion for me. I think that we should vote for what we want and be grateful that ANYBODY is willing to put this kind of backing for an open source project. I haven't been around in the F/OSS community for long (maybe 8 years or so), but I really think

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Nkoli
On 11/6/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. did I say it was not possible to exist as a company without the US? No. What I said was that a plurality of smart phones are sold in the US. It is a major market. And a huge amount of OS work is done in the US. To design a phone that

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread hank williams
This article compares smart phone adoption among recent buyers as of the time of writing in different countries - US adoption was pretty abysmal back in 2006. While I'm sure it's increased since then, 20-30% is still a very far stretch. I think 8% would be more accurate. The problem is that

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Joachim Steiger
polz wrote: [...] Why were the phones shipped from the US, then ? Perhaps it would have made more sense to ship them from the EU where they seem to work fine and help many people save some dollars. thats simple: we had no shipping directly to customers at all before and we could get that

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Nkoli
n 11/6/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottom line is that Nokia uses statistics to try to claim a larger share of the smartphone market. But their symbian deployments are mainly in non-smartphones, and any numbers based on symbian as a real smartphone platform are deceptive.

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread Open Moko
I recently joined this list after looking at the OpenMoko project for a few weeks now. I am a software engineer and a linux enthusiast, I planned on actively developing for the project creating 3rd party applications. I am now somewhat concerned with this thread. Am I to understand that support

RE: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-06 Thread thomas.cooksey
When you look at real smart phone sales - i.e. the 20m number, a very significant number of those are sold in the US. This is just I think Nkoli's point was that if you are going to say something like A very significant number, it might be better to back it up with a reference to some

Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
Hello Community, I've just arrived in Taiwan and have figured out the quad band issue. The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead we support 900/1800/1900MHz. Anyone interested in more

Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue

2007-11-05 Thread Michael Shiloh
Unfortunately, this also affects the GTA02, which is now far too close to production to try to enable quad-band operation. An 850/1800/1900MHz variant has been suggested but this is not yet determined. Michael Randall Mason wrote: Will the GTA02 have the quad band board (full working quad

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