Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
also there is sailfish. 03/21/15 12:40 -ին Norayr Chilingarianը գրել է. meanwhile, let's not forget that Ubuntu Touch can be ported to thus installed on GTA04/5 board. 03/19/15 11:31 -ին Matthias Apitzը գրել է. El día Monday, March 16, 2015 a las 08:46:09AM +0100, Ed Kapitein escribió: I did order the ubuntu phone and can't wait to test it out! Hi Ed, Could you please send me a signal when yours arrive. I ordered mine on March 12 and have already the discount on my creditcard, but no device yet :-) Do you know any good mailing list or forum (read: for tech people) to interchange questions and test results etc.? Thx matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Hi Sorry for posting so late.. this thread is already a bit old, as freerunner owner and glamo2 nda signer and now mir contributor I would like to share some details ... 2015-03-16 8:31 GMT+01:00 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de: Hello, I saw on the net a video about the BQ Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR4baLQmU0s (english 40min) Jono Bacon, former Ubuntu Community Manager, shares a video with a detailed review and demo of the new bq Aquaris E4.5, complete with commentary on the wider scopes and convergence strategy What I'm asking me, and want to ask here: How thy 'paint' the picture from the apps written in HTML5 or QML to the display? Is this as well at the end of the day a X11 server or something else? It moves so smoothly. As already said the display is driven with the mir libraries. The application grid and the things called scopes are provided through a process called unity8-dash a qt application using the mir client backend. The application spread, launcher on the left side, greeter and lock screen is also done with qt but in a different process using qtmir (the mirserver backend). It acts as the compositor/window manager/display server for the user session. This is unity8 and it runs nested inside another mirserver, called unity-system-compositor. This server is the only graphicsinput related thing that needs root rights. It does some global display power related stuff, global key handling. It uses the android hardware compositor to submit the buffers or falls back to gl composition depending on how the scene is composed. All of that logic is inside the graphics platform backend of libmirserver. So any other shell written with it will not have to deal with any of these details. The setup as it was shipped with the bq phone runs fairly well. Still there are some topics like the nesting overhead that are about to be addressed now... regards Andreas Pokorny ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Hi, Am 21.03.2015 um 13:44 schrieb Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de: El día Saturday, March 21, 2015 a las 12:02:13PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 20.03.2015 um 21:40 schrieb Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am: meanwhile, let's not forget that Ubuntu Touch can be ported to thus installed on GTA04/5 board. Yes, you are right! Sometimes we simply don’t see the obvious… Goldelico would support such a port as good as possible. What do you need? Well, we could start with a mailing list for techical(!) interested folks, like ubuntuphone-port...@lists.openmoko.org or ubuntuphone-port...@goldelico.com Here it is (I have added a “project” and renamed it a little - but it is not restricted to “gta04”): http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-ubuntu-touch/ http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/gta04-ubuntu-touch Please subscribe and use… or something like such a name to express that the intention is not for users without technical background/developers. Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 Wenn der Mensch von den Umständen gebildet wird, so muß man die Umstände menschlich bilden. Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar humanamente las circunstancias, Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
El día Saturday, March 21, 2015 a las 12:02:13PM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Am 20.03.2015 um 21:40 schrieb Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am: meanwhile, let's not forget that Ubuntu Touch can be ported to thus installed on GTA04/5 board. Yes, you are right! Sometimes we simply don’t see the obvious… Goldelico would support such a port as good as possible. What do you need? Well, we could start with a mailing list for techical(!) interested folks, like ubuntuphone-port...@lists.openmoko.org or ubuntuphone-port...@goldelico.com or something like such a name to express that the intention is not for users without technical background/developers. Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 Wenn der Mensch von den Umständen gebildet wird, so muß man die Umstände menschlich bilden. Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar humanamente las circunstancias, Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Am 20.03.2015 um 21:40 schrieb Norayr Chilingarian nor...@arnet.am: meanwhile, let's not forget that Ubuntu Touch can be ported to thus installed on GTA04/5 board. Yes, you are right! Sometimes we simply don’t see the obvious… Goldelico would support such a port as good as possible. What do you need? BR, Nikolaus 03/19/15 11:31 -ին Matthias Apitzը գրել է. El día Monday, March 16, 2015 a las 08:46:09AM +0100, Ed Kapitein escribió: I did order the ubuntu phone and can't wait to test it out! Hi Ed, Could you please send me a signal when yours arrive. I ordered mine on March 12 and have already the discount on my creditcard, but no device yet :-) Do you know any good mailing list or forum (read: for tech people) to interchange questions and test results etc.? Thx matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
meanwhile, let's not forget that Ubuntu Touch can be ported to thus installed on GTA04/5 board. 03/19/15 11:31 -ին Matthias Apitzը գրել է. El día Monday, March 16, 2015 a las 08:46:09AM +0100, Ed Kapitein escribió: I did order the ubuntu phone and can't wait to test it out! Hi Ed, Could you please send me a signal when yours arrive. I ordered mine on March 12 and have already the discount on my creditcard, but no device yet :-) Do you know any good mailing list or forum (read: for tech people) to interchange questions and test results etc.? Thx matthias ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
El día Monday, March 16, 2015 a las 08:46:09AM +0100, Ed Kapitein escribió: I did order the ubuntu phone and can't wait to test it out! Hi Ed, Could you please send me a signal when yours arrive. I ordered mine on March 12 and have already the discount on my creditcard, but no device yet :-) Do you know any good mailing list or forum (read: for tech people) to interchange questions and test results etc.? Thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 Wenn der Mensch von den Umständen gebildet wird, so muß man die Umstände menschlich bilden. Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar humanamente las circunstancias, Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
On Mar 16, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: . I am just curious to understand how people think and decide such things in March 2015. Here's my take on this: My particular vertical market need is for a very small computer that: -Boots up upon receiving an external power (charging) signal. -Customizable boot code -Runs Linux and can run whatever full-blown Linux tool/app we need at startup/boot without any user intervention -Can acquire and use a GPS signal at 4Hz or better. -Has an audio input (headset/mic jack) -Has Wi-Fi -Has accelerometers -Has at least 8GB storage The GTA02 does a fine job at the above, the external GPS antenna capability is a bonus. That's why we bought hundreds of them (everything Openmoko had left in 2010), for one particular vertical market use. What (else) would we need in a GTA05 ? -Better GPS (10Hz, Glonass, Galileo, BeiDou, offline A-GPS) -LTE or at least 4G-ish capability -GSM Certification to operate in major countries -Dual SIM card capability -Dual internal MicroSD cards (RAID) -Retain external GPS antenna port -Support Invensense IMU chip for advanced motion processing (9 DOF) -Barometer/Temp sensor -Infrared blaster -RFID/NFC capability -Fingerprint scanner -Built-in GPIOs with externally-accessible connector -USB OTG, USB 3.0 ? -Built-In Ethernet capability -Built-in A/D converter with externally accessible connector -Built-In RS-232/RS-422 ports, externally accessible -Built-in camera with an external port to add a remote cameras (say up to 3 meters from device). Basically multiple USB 2.0 ports at a minimum. -A decent-sized multi-touch or Glove-Friendly screen (two versions ?), the GTA02 screen is much too small by modern standards (we only use the screen for stuff like Wi-Fi password data entry by the end user) -HDMI outputs (support two external screens) -Speakers (like all phones) -Offer various battery sizes (thicker backs). For the external connector for serial and GPIO, flat round contact pads with a docking station on the back like Garmin uses on many units. I believe such an open device would be highly successful in a Kickstarter campaign. The M2M (Machine-to-Machine) market is huge. Such a device would have broad appeal. Size is not very important, the capability/connectivity: Yes! Ubuntu phone, but for true hardware hackers and companies with vertical needs that are not met with current smartphones or by Raspberry Pi or Arduino platforms. GTA04's limited 1Hz GPS was a killer for us... didn't bother finding USB camera options for the USB OTG on the GTA04 as a result, nor the mysterious built-in camera option (not ideal for us, remote camera is what we need). The M2M folks want low-level hardware support (block diagrams, schematics, etc...) and open software drivers (abandonware is the problem here from commercial vendors). Offer a version that's a smartphone and a bigger version that's basically a small computer with a built-in very smart UPS, with the ability to add expansion cards for non-mobile uses. Personally I am not a purist, I don't mind inevitable closed aspects of some hardware/firmware that don't have open equivalents (the Invensense IMU stuff or LTE modem for example). Nothing on the market offers what I'm looking for... and I'm sure I'm not alone seeking the Holy Grail of connected small mobile computer that's not iOS or Android. The current proposed Ubuntu smartphones all have serious flaws (no microSD on the Meizu and on the EQ 4.5 they can't even bother mentioning which exact Mediatek processor they are using !!!) and pretty much none of the expandability and interface capability that I'd like to see in the device. When you can't even publish a proper detailed hardware spec sheet for your Ubuntu phone, you know lower level support is going to be an absolute nightmare. That's what Ubuntu Phone is now. Better yet, the phone could have an internal small expansion slot with routing to the external connector pads. Need a bizarre interface ? Build a board and you are done, no internal soldering mods required. I would expect demand for such a device from the Drone market alone to be massive. More realistic than the current Phoneblocs-type project. An open phone with a bunch of expansion ports. How hard can that be ? What would it take ? $5M ? $10M ? $30M ? -Pascal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Hi, Am 16.03.2015 um 13:40 schrieb Neal H. Walfield n...@walfield.org: At Mon, 16 Mar 2015 10:43:51 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: For our community products we have: because 1, there is no 2 and because 2 there is no 1. What makes the difference? Some investor (Ubuntu) did cover the risk of buying the first set of thousands of eggs and was able to get the price down (higher quantity buyer). My impression of the GTA04 marketing message is: the more people who buy, the cheaper the phone will be! Unfortunately, it hasn't been very clear to me how much cheaper. I suspect that the same is true for other people, particularly those who are not following the project as closely as I have. If I knew that the GTA04 could be produced for 300 Euro if say, 2000, were produced, that could help me convince other people. Of course, if someone is willing to buy today, they might not be willing to wait a year. Well, there is a rough indication http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5 • the final price is expected to be (incl. 19% German VAT) • 599 EUR if we reach 100 production units • 549 EUR if we reach 200 production units • 499 EUR if we reach 500 production units but we will try everything to get below this target! But EUR/USD exchange rate development is beyond our control One way around this is to use the strategy that kickstarter uses: only fund it if a threshold is reached. We also have that. The threshold is 100 units preordered (where each pre-order voucher at 100 EUR or above counts for one unit). This is equivalent to a threshold of 1 EUR which could be used to secure some critical components (e.g. 3G Modem, memory chips, WiFi module). If we don’t reach this threshold before the 3G modem really becomes unobtainable, the campaign ends unfunded. We just don’t have a fixed date for the campaign. Just a thought… Any thought is always welcome! Thanks, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Hi *, I think it's difficult to gain interest of new users if a new user must buy an old casing first of being able to use the new hardware also, old casings are a limited resource and are awful to look compared to newer and slimmer styles moreover the old casings eventually need to be modified (drilled) by the final user to host the camera just my 2cents, A21 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Quoth g...@unixarea.de: I'm using since 2008 the FR as my one and only cellphone. This is not lying, it is just a fact. And I do not know any other person from this list who is doing so. I am too. The only thing that makes me tempted to switch phones is redphone or chatsecure, basically. The GTA02 sucks, in some ways, but I have no plans to buy a less free phone than it, so I'll stay where I am for now. If my GTA02 broke I'd probably get whatever phone was best supported by the replicant project, second hand, but it's a pleasingly solid piece of hardware :) Nick signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Hi, I had not planned to make it a statement-reply session, but it has converted into one :) Am 16.03.2015 um 14:47 schrieb Alfa21-mobile freerun...@my.is.it: Hi *, I think it’s difficult to gain interest of new users if a new user must buy an old casing first of being able to use the new hardware also, old casings are a limited resource and are awful to look compared to newer and slimmer styles Well, that is not the goal of the GTA04A5 project. It was focussed right from the beginning (and therefore still is) to give those who already have a GTA02 a much more powerful processor and some newer peripherals. Like a replacement motor for an old car. moreover the old casings eventually need to be modified (drilled) by the final user to host the camera just my 2cents, A21 BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Hi Ed, Am 16.03.2015 um 09:58 schrieb Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org: SNIP Interesting. Makes me curious why you both spend money on that one instead of e.g. the GTA04A5? Any answer is valid - and no need to be polite… I am just curious to understand how people think and decide such things in March 2015. BR, Nikolaus Hi Nikolaus, A couple of things made me decide to buy the ubuntu phone. thanks! -1 The price. for me it is afordable at 170 euro vs +/- 600 euro for a neo900 and slightly less for the GTA04A5 -2 The device is in mass production, compared to the volumes of GTA04 or neo900 well, this is the simple henegg situation that we face for some years. For our community products we have: because 1, there is no 2 and because 2 there is no 1. What makes the difference? Some investor (Ubuntu) did cover the risk of buying the first set of thousands of eggs and was able to get the price down (higher quantity buyer). They can, because Ubuntu is not only a free (as in free beer) OS but Canonical sells maintenance services (ubuntu advantage) to get the money to run their operations. This type of services is something our community lacks. And is even beyond the openmoko approach (because it focusses on the client side while the money is with servers, clouds and content). -3 Development is done by a huge team, with a long track record in development. Well, the team here was big - but has become smaller and smaller. I just wonder if they have a longer track record than the Openmoko community. Hm. Makes me think about: * would people be interested in a real maintained Openmoko distribution * combining everything we have (kernel, Replicant, QtMoko and other choices) * not only for Openmoko devices but others as well to get a broader audience * regularily maintained by fixed team * those who spend let’s say 5 EUR / month get bug fixes and updates first -4 Using old components from the GTA02 to build a GTA04 will get me a new phone with and 8 year old screen, 8 year old battery, 8 year old case etc. This is mostly a consequence of 1 and 2. A GTA05 could be much more modern and made out of all-new components. But because of 1 and 2 there is no GTA05. But i really appreciate what all members from the gta02 community have done in the past and are still doing today! Big thanks from me. Ed Big thanks for sharing your thoughts. Our key problem is that we don’t have a big budget to spend for a new GTA05 that can compete with others. BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
On Mon 16 March 2015 10:43:51 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Our key problem is that we don’t have a big budget to spend for a new GTA05 that can compete with others. The Neo900 UG long term business plan has perspectives to change that, eventually :-) cheers jOERG -- () ascii ribbon campaign /\ against html e-mail - against proprietary attachments http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/campaign.html http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil_still.shtml http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii/ (German) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
At Mon, 16 Mar 2015 10:43:51 +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: For our community products we have: because 1, there is no 2 and because 2 there is no 1. What makes the difference? Some investor (Ubuntu) did cover the risk of buying the first set of thousands of eggs and was able to get the price down (higher quantity buyer). My impression of the GTA04 marketing message is: the more people who buy, the cheaper the phone will be! Unfortunately, it hasn't been very clear to me how much cheaper. I suspect that the same is true for other people, particularly those who are not following the project as closely as I have. If I knew that the GTA04 could be produced for 300 Euro if say, 2000, were produced, that could help me convince other people. Of course, if someone is willing to buy today, they might not be willing to wait a year. One way around this is to use the strategy that kickstarter uses: only fund it if a threshold is reached. Just a thought... :) Neal ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Am 16.03.2015 um 15:38 schrieb Alfa21-mobile freerun...@my.is.it: Well, that is not the goal of the GTA04A5 project. It was focussed right from the beginning (and therefore still is) to give those who already have a GTA02 a much more powerful processor and some newer peripherals. Like a replacement motor for an old car. I know, and also for me it's interesting a new engine for an old car, but you will never exit from the 12 statement if new users will remain cut off from the game, imho. your solution is directed only to a subset of older users and this can hardly embrace a wide audience that allows to lower the final prices from my pov, you are cutting out both: - fresh users, potentially interested in getting a real open phone - old users, interested in getting an open phone competitive on price It looks as if you are thinking along a “one solution fits everyone” strategy. GTA04A5 is a solution for some group which is completely feasible, no dream, no vapourware. It is a tested design and just needs to be financed to be produced. Of course it does not make everybody happy. But it does also not exclude to have something different (GTA05…) in the future. But it must be clear that a GTA05 needs a lot of work, prefinancing of engineering and time (expect 1 year to develop from scratch including injection moulds). So this also does not make everyone happy. And it is much less lilkely to happen at all because it needs this prefinancing stuff… Therefore we are not cutting out anyone - I am simply honest not to promise the impossible (competitive price and new and immediately available). I prefer to say what is possible and reachable. Like a low hanging fruit: GTA04A5. -1 The price. for me it is afordable at 170 euro vs +/- 600 euro for a neo900 and slightly less for the GTA04A5 -2 The device is in mass production, compared to the volumes of GTA04 or neo900 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Well, that is not the goal of the GTA04A5 project. It was focussed right from the beginning (and therefore still is) to give those who already have a GTA02 a much more powerful processor and some newer peripherals. Like a replacement motor for an old car. I know, and also for me it's interesting a new engine for an old car, but you will never exit from the 12 statement if new users will remain cut off from the game, imho. your solution is directed only to a subset of older users and this can hardly embrace a wide audience that allows to lower the final prices from my pov, you are cutting out both: - fresh users, potentially interested in getting a real open phone - old users, interested in getting an open phone competitive on price -1 The price. for me it is afordable at 170 euro vs +/- 600 euro for a neo900 and slightly less for the GTA04A5 -2 The device is in mass production, compared to the volumes of GTA04 or neo900 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Hi I'm using since 2008 the FR as my one and only cellphone. This is not lying, it is just a fact. And I do not know any other person from this list who is doing so. I will continue using the GTA02 until finaly breaks something, display or board, and will hope to update it. How and when such an update is possible? I did it too until the last summer when audio and battery issues became an inconvenience during my work days. I searched for help but with no success. Since then I'm using some dumbphones. If I should buy a new phone my choice is restricted to the GTA04, the Jolla phone and the Ubuntu phone. But a budget limit and the readiness of the device for the everyday usage constitute constraints to reckon with. Is good to see some life in this ML (: thank you all. Ciao Francesco ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
On Mon 16 March 2015 22:00:42 Pascal Gosselin wrote: On Mar 16, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com wrote: . I am just curious to understand how people think and decide such things in March 2015. Here's my take on this: My particular vertical market need is for a very small computer that: -Boots up upon receiving an external power (charging) signal. -Customizable boot code -Runs Linux and can run whatever full-blown Linux tool/app we need at startup/boot without any user intervention -Can acquire and use a GPS signal at 4Hz or better. -Has an audio input (headset/mic jack) -Has Wi-Fi -Has accelerometers -Has at least 8GB storage The GTA02 does a fine job at the above, the external GPS antenna capability is a bonus. That's why we bought hundreds of them (everything Openmoko had left in 2010), for one particular vertical market use. What (else) would we need in a GTA05 ? -Better GPS (10Hz, Glonass, Galileo, BeiDou, offline A-GPS) -LTE or at least 4G-ish capability -GSM Certification to operate in major countries -Dual SIM card capability -Dual internal MicroSD cards (RAID) -Retain external GPS antenna port -Support Invensense IMU chip for advanced motion processing (9 DOF) -Barometer/Temp sensor -Infrared blaster -RFID/NFC capability -Fingerprint scanner -Built-in GPIOs with externally-accessible connector -USB OTG, USB 3.0 ? -Built-In Ethernet capability -Built-in A/D converter with externally accessible connector -Built-In RS-232/RS-422 ports, externally accessible -Built-in camera with an external port to add a remote cameras (say up to 3 meters from device). Basically multiple USB 2.0 ports at a minimum. -A decent-sized multi-touch or Glove-Friendly screen (two versions ?), the GTA02 screen is much too small by modern standards (we only use the screen for stuff like Wi-Fi password data entry by the end user) -HDMI outputs (support two external screens) -Speakers (like all phones) -Offer various battery sizes (thicker backs). Neo900 is _almost_ there already ;-) STEP2 will definitely be http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1444602highlight=step2#post1444602 For the external connector for serial and GPIO, flat round contact pads with a docking station on the back like Garmin uses on many units. I believe such an open device would be highly successful in a Kickstarter campaign. The M2M (Machine-to-Machine) market is huge. Such a device would have broad appeal. Size is not very important, the capability/connectivity: Yes! Ubuntu phone, but for true hardware hackers and companies with vertical needs that are not met with current smartphones or by Raspberry Pi or Arduino platforms. GTA04's limited 1Hz GPS was a killer for us... didn't bother finding USB camera options for the USB OTG on the GTA04 as a result, nor the mysterious built-in camera option (not ideal for us, remote camera is what we need). The M2M folks want low-level hardware support (block diagrams, schematics, etc...) and open software drivers (abandonware is the problem here from commercial vendors). Offer a version that's a smartphone and a bigger version that's basically a small computer with a built-in very smart UPS, with the ability to add expansion cards for non-mobile uses. Personally I am not a purist, I don't mind inevitable closed aspects of some hardware/firmware that don't have open equivalents (the Invensense IMU stuff or LTE modem for example). Nothing on the market offers what I'm looking for... and I'm sure I'm not alone seeking the Holy Grail of connected small mobile computer that's not iOS or Android. The current proposed Ubuntu smartphones all have serious flaws (no microSD on the Meizu and on the EQ 4.5 they can't even bother mentioning which exact Mediatek processor they are using !!!) and pretty much none of the expandability and interface capability that I'd like to see in the device. When you can't even publish a proper detailed hardware spec sheet for your Ubuntu phone, you know lower level support is going to be an absolute nightmare. That's what Ubuntu Phone is now. Better yet, the phone could have an internal small expansion slot with routing to the external connector pads. Need a bizarre interface ? Build a board and you are done, no internal soldering mods required. Neo900 has HackerBus for now: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1461954#post1461954 I know it's all not up to par with your requirements but you at least see we're heading into right direction :-) I would expect demand for such a device from the Drone market alone to be massive. More realistic than the current Phoneblocs-type project. An open phone with a bunch of expansion ports. How hard can that be ? What would it take ? $5M ? $10M ? $30M ? STEP2 will need sth like that, yes. Going to start as soon as Neo900 proofed that we actually can do cheers jOERG -- () ascii ribbon
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 08:31 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I saw on the net a video about the BQ Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR4baLQmU0s (english 40min) Jono Bacon, former Ubuntu Community Manager, shares a video with a detailed review and demo of the new bq Aquaris E4.5, complete with commentary on the wider scopes and convergence strategy What I'm asking me, and want to ask here: How thy 'paint' the picture from the apps written in HTML5 or QML to the display? Is this as well at the end of the day a X11 server or something else? It moves so smoothly. Thanks matthias Hi Matthias, As far as i can tell, they use mir [1] I did order the ubuntu phone and can't wait to test it out! Kid regards, Ed [1] http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
El día Monday, March 16, 2015 a las 09:34:37AM +0100, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller escribió: Thanks for the info. I did order the ubuntu phone and can't wait to test it out! Me too on March 12 in the flash sell. The money is already cut from my credit card, so there is hope that I will get one :-) Interesting. Makes me curious why you both spend money on that one instead of e.g. the GTA04A5? Any answer is valid - and no need to be polite… I am just curious to understand how people think and decide such things in March 2015. Hi Nikolas, I'm using since 2008 the FR as my one and only cellphone. This is not lying, it is just a fact. And I do not know any other person from this list who is doing so. I will continue using the GTA02 until finaly breaks something, display or board, and will hope to update it. How and when such an update is possible? On the other hand, the Ubuntu phone is something to just play/test with it and the price allowed me this decision. Maybe I will give it to my wife who is using an old Nokia phone and we both are unwilling to use some Android spying and 'phoning home' device. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 Wenn der Mensch von den Umständen gebildet wird, so muß man die Umstände menschlich bilden. Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar humanamente las circunstancias, Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familiA ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
El día Monday, March 16, 2015 a las 08:46:09AM +0100, Ed Kapitein escribió: What I'm asking me, and want to ask here: How thy 'paint' the picture from the apps written in HTML5 or QML to the display? Is this as well at the end of the day a X11 server or something else? It moves so smoothly. Thanks matthias Hi Matthias, As far as i can tell, they use mir [1] [1] http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/ Hi Ed, Thanks for the info. I did order the ubuntu phone and can't wait to test it out! Me too on March 12 in the flash sell. The money is already cut from my credit card, so there is hope that I will get one :-) matthias -- Matthias Apitz, g...@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-170-4527211 Wenn der Mensch von den Umständen gebildet wird, so muß man die Umstände menschlich bilden. Si el hombre es formado por las circunstancias entonces es necesario formar humanamente las circunstancias, Karl Marx in Die heilige Familie / La sagrada familia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
Hi, Am 16.03.2015 um 09:00 schrieb Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de: El día Monday, March 16, 2015 a las 08:46:09AM +0100, Ed Kapitein escribió: What I'm asking me, and want to ask here: How thy 'paint' the picture from the apps written in HTML5 or QML to the display? Is this as well at the end of the day a X11 server or something else? It moves so smoothly. Thanks matthias Hi Matthias, As far as i can tell, they use mir [1] [1] http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/ Hi Ed, Thanks for the info. I did order the ubuntu phone and can't wait to test it out! Me too on March 12 in the flash sell. The money is already cut from my credit card, so there is hope that I will get one :-) Interesting. Makes me curious why you both spend money on that one instead of e.g. the GTA04A5? Any answer is valid - and no need to be polite… I am just curious to understand how people think and decide such things in March 2015. BR, Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: Ubuntu phone HTML5 / QML
SNIP Interesting. Makes me curious why you both spend money on that one instead of e.g. the GTA04A5? Any answer is valid - and no need to be polite… I am just curious to understand how people think and decide such things in March 2015. BR, Nikolaus Hi Nikolaus, A couple of things made me decide to buy the ubuntu phone. -1 The price. for me it is afordable at 170 euro vs +/- 600 euro for a neo900 and slightly less for the GTA04A5 -2 The device is in mass production, compared to the volumes of GTA04 or neo900 -3 Development is done by a huge team, with a long track record in development. -4 Using old components from the GTA02 to build a GTA04 will get me a new phone with and 8 year old screen, 8 year old battery, 8 year old case etc. But i really appreciate what all members from the gta02 community have done in the past and are still doing today! Big thanks from me. Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
