Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-29 Thread AVee
On Saturday 28 June 2008 18:37, Kosa wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yorick Moko escribió: > cite="mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > type="cite"> If you really want us to read whatever it is your telling is you really should stop posting html emails... AVee -- AMAZING BUT TRUE ...

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Mikko Rauhala wrote: > Youtube does provide higher quality mp4 video nowadays; you can get at > the download links from eg. keepvid.com service. So if the mp4 files > downloadable are ones that the Glamo chip can decode, that's our > solution; just code a youtube viewer that shows the mp4 versions.

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Kosa
Yorick Moko escribió: I have no idea if it will be slow but youtube video's should be possible. "should be" is not the same than "it is". could anybody confirm that? One of the biggest problems I have running linux on a PowerPC mac it that there is not flash player for this plataform. I use

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:57:47 +0200 Michael Stather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Couldn't the glamo just be driven with a highter bandwidth, or is this a > chipset limitation? no it can't. we already are seeing performance far beyond anything the glamo's designers have ever seen. in theory we c

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:25:12 +0200 "Yorick Moko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > I have no idea if it will be slow but youtube video's should be possible. > Standard youtube is 320x240 (but they are experimenting with higher > resolution) . > Maybe you would have to encode it to mpeg-4 though, don'

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:26:24 +0300 Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > la, 2008-06-28 kello 09:43 +0200, Michael Stather kirjoitti: > > At least this is what I read, > > since neither read 2D or 3D acceleration is possible. > > That is quite an overstatement of the problems. At least Xv

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:43:37 +0200 Michael Stather <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > I was a fan of the openmoko idea even when it was announced at first. > Now when the first "real" device was announced I was thinking about > buying one but then I realized the situaltion with the 3D chip which I

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Cedric Cellier
-[ Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 03:07:13PM +0200, Robert Schuster ] > Just want to add this: Do you know that the Nokia Internet Tablet > devices contain a capable 3d accelerator as well? The reason it is not > used is the same as for the FreeRunner. Sorry but IIRC the Glamo is unusable because of its

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stather
Robert Schuster schrieb: > Hi. > > Michael Stather schrieb: > >> I was a fan of the openmoko idea even when it was announced at first. >> Now when the first "real" device was announced I was thinking about >> buying one but then I realized the situaltion with the 3D chip which I >> read was "

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi. Michael Stather schrieb: > I was a fan of the openmoko idea even when it was announced at first. > Now when the first "real" device was announced I was thinking about > buying one but then I realized the situaltion with the 3D chip which I > read was "a very big design mistake". Just want t

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Robert Schuster
Hi. Michael Stather schrieb: > So I wonder why this was done that way (since the older model had a much > larger bandwidth), and whether it's changed for the next release. I mean > e.g. games (3D games, or emulators) are IMHO an important part of the > functionality of such a smartphone. KoboDe

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stather
Ben Wilson schrieb: > I like the 'idea' of something programmable like a CPLD/FPGA, but I > suspect adding one would be too costly, they're not cheap as far as IC's go. > > Ben. > > Michael Stather wrote: > >> Couldn't the glamo just be driven with a highter bandwidth, or is this a >> chipset l

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Ben Wilson
I like the 'idea' of something programmable like a CPLD/FPGA, but I suspect adding one would be too costly, they're not cheap as far as IC's go. Ben. Michael Stather wrote: > Couldn't the glamo just be driven with a highter bandwidth, or is this a > chipset limitation? > And if the chip just isn

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stather
Couldn't the glamo just be driven with a highter bandwidth, or is this a chipset limitation? And if the chip just isn't capable of performing better, what about the idea to have plain framebuffer access only through the processor but include a CLPD/FPGA in the design which may be loaded "on the

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Mikko Rauhala
la, 2008-06-28 kello 12:25 +0200, Yorick Moko kirjoitti: > I have no idea if it will be slow but youtube video's should be > possible. Yeah, their standard videos are such low resolution and quality it could well be possible reasonably... And also: > Maybe you would have to encode it to mpeg-4 th

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Mikko Rauhala
la, 2008-06-28 kello 09:43 +0200, Michael Stather kirjoitti: > At least this is what I read, > since neither read 2D or 3D acceleration is possible. That is quite an overstatement of the problems. At least Xv and mpeg4 accelerations are possible with available software. I don't know exactly how m

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Yorick Moko
I have no idea if it will be slow but youtube video's should be possible. Standard youtube is 320x240 (but they are experimenting with higher resolution) . Maybe you would have to encode it to mpeg-4 though, don't know if it will work through flash. nice post about the video acceleration: http://u

Re: The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread prishelec
I would like to know more about that too. Especially I would like to know how real devices work - are they slow or not? I don't really need 3d games or anything, but i don't want my smartphone to be slow. Also is it possible in theory to play youtube videos? On 6/28/08, Michael Stather <[EMAIL PRO

The glamo chip and its future

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stather
I was a fan of the openmoko idea even when it was announced at first. Now when the first "real" device was announced I was thinking about buying one but then I realized the situaltion with the 3D chip which I read was "a very big design mistake". At least this is what I read, since neither read