Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >> 2. https://bgp.he.net/AS328608#_prefixes > >This shows that Africa on Cloud carries a number of prefixes for >Cloud Innovation as well as prefixes for a number of other >organizations. As such, it appears that Cloud Innovation is one >of several customers doing

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

In message <37e771a0-66f7-48a1-8e61-164af96b3...@delong.com>, Owen DeLong wrote: >They have knowingly and deliberately violated a court order, including sending >a message to the Petitioner that stated their full and blatant intent to do so. That is certainly NOT a document that I have seen.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

> On Jul 26, 2021, at 04:01 , Noah wrote: > > > > On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, 19:32 Leo S, > wrote: > > The current situation poses risks to users who rent their IP addresses. I > think the problem itself is AFRINIC's own problem. Who allocated 7 million > addresses to t

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please consider the amount of space held by: Non-LIRs (end users): Hewlett Packard Apple Computer Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not: Amateur Radio (AMPR) LIRs

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 13:23 , Ronald F. Guilmette > wrote: > > In message > > Meriem Dayday wrote: > >> This is a direct violation of the CoC. > > No, actually, it isn't. > > The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use of > it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administe

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 09:26 , Leo S wrote: > > Exactly, I am not particularly opposed to their IP leasing business. With the > current exhaustion of IP addresses, many small ISPs have no choice but to > obtain IP addresses from them. Large ISPs will choose to purchase IP > addresses directly

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

I am not convinced that what you said is bad for Cloud Innovation. I can neither confirm nor deny the truth of what you said (I don’t have access to the necessary financial or other data). You haven’t said anything about them violating AFRINIC policy. You haven’t said anything about them violatin

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Really? Who, exactly, would you accuse of such a thing? Owen > On Jul 25, 2021, at 08:39 , DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > > Some community members want to kill AFRINIC. > These members do not have passion for AFRICA as a region and are against > AFRICA internet and technology development. > > On

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 07:32 , Leo S wrote: > > About Cloud Innovation Ltd I want to talk about their business model. > They got 7 Million IPv4 addresses from AFRINIC at a price of $10,000 USD per > year, and then leased them to ISPs or end users at a price of ~2 > USD/year/IPv4 (large block i

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

> On Jul 26, 2021, at 11:17 , Noah wrote: > > Folks, > > The fact remains that only an irresponsible resource member or those who have > violated the RSA are the ones that would worry about an Assisted Review. Nope… Simply provably not true. > Accountability is what the wider community has

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

In essence, it is AFRINIC staff choosing on their own initiative to effectively implement most of the provisions of the proposed “Resource Review Policy” which failed to gain consensus and was eventually withdrawn by the authors. It’s unclear to what extent the board has sanctioned this staff-dr

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

Hi Mark, Thank you for your time at AFRINIC. No one blames you for no longer wanting to deal with AFRINIC’s asinine politics. That said, how significant a cause was the “Assisted Review” program for your resignation? https://afrinic.net/ast/pdf/Board/afrinic-strategic-plan-2016-2020-assessment

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

There are legitimate reasons for Mark to be fearful of remaining on such a board. I am unable to go into details on the advice of counsel, but I respect Mark’s decision even though I am disappointed by it. I, too, had hoped he would remain a lone voice for sanity in a mostly failing board. Owe

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 16:36 , Mirriam via Community-Discuss > wrote: > > Paul, > > Like Ronald has been statingThese Publicly available records show > otherwise for those who care to look and Gregoire is correct > > 1. https://bgp.he.net/AS328608#_whois This shows an independently reg

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 08:32 , Gregoire EHOUMI via Community-Discuss > wrote: > > > >> On Jul 25, 2021, at 1:33 AM, Paul Wollner > > wrote: >> >> Dear Chair, >> >> Would you care to share with the community where this alternative source of >> funding

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

If that’s the case, why doesn’t the AFRINIC board simply state that as the source of their funding? Why the secrecy? It is my strong suspicion that this is not the source of their current funding. Regardless of the source, there is no valid reason for the lack of transparency. Owen > On Jul

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

LoL… I do not know why you are surprised. This board that you favor so much has put the organization in a terrible position. They have repeatedly violated their own governing documents and the trust of both the community and their membership. They have knowingly and deliberately violated a court

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

> On Jul 25, 2021, at 06:58 , Arnaud AMELINA wrote: > > Pour votre gouverne les ressources IP ne sont pas la propriété de ceux a qui > on les a mis à disposition, au risque de me répéter. Vous semez la confusion > au sein de la communauté par vos faux propos. Nothing in his statement claims

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

In message Erick Joshua Lagon wrote: >And for the Board, what is this "assisted review" that the Community is not >aware of? I was going to ask that question also, since I had never heard of it before seeing Mark E's message. I tried to google it, but other than a few brief (and uninformative)

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

Folks, The fact remains that only an irresponsible resource member or those who have violated the RSA are the ones that would worry about an *Assisted Review*. *Accountability* is what the wider community has been seeking since 2014 and until accountability is achieved, friction shall not end in

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

Greetings, Mark Thank you for your time and work, and I fully support your decision, which I feel you reached after careful consideration and deliberation. I wish you the best of success, but I'm wondering as to what transpired at AFRINIC that prompted you to resign, and it just goes to show that

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

It is good to see AFRINIC doing it job appropriately for once. It has been a long while!!! The personal attacks and name calling are totally unnecessary. Sorry I just had to add d last icing on the cake. > On Jul 26, 2021, at 13:49, AFRINIC Communication wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > We

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

Another resignation? This goes a long way to infer that there’s something’s that might be going on within the inner circles and behind the closed doors of the AFRINIC. Transparency is one the supposed to be amongst the pillars of the AFRINIC organization. With the numerous discussions on the irreg

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

Hello! First of all, I'd like to wish you the best in your future endeavors. I am not aware that an NDA applies to your situation and I am sure the community is curious why such exists on your side (why is there even a need?). Your resignation is proof that AFRINIC is really in one of its darkest

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

Hello Mark, We are thankful for your services for the Community. We are wishing you well on your endeavors. And for the Board, what is this “assisted review” that the Community is not aware of? Are there behind the scenes projects that everyone is not aware of? I hope that the Board addresses the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Dear Colleagues, We kindly ask you all to refrain from continuing with this thread as it seems to be mostly geared towards personal attacks. Regardless of the motive, AFRINIC may be forced to issue warnings to those who do not comply and choose to ignore this message. Also please refer to the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

Salam Mark, Thank you for volunteering for the community, I personally know how much you care about developing the AFRINIC. However, if I'm in your please I will fight more, but this is your way and I/we should respect it. I hope you continue to support the organization. best of luck Sami Sali

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resignation

Hi Mark Good luck and thank you for participating and stopping Paul Wolner. History shall remember. Cheers Noah On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, 23:30 Mark Elkins, wrote: > Dear community, > > I've handed the Chair of the AFRINIC Board my resignation - effective > immediate. I'm still under NDA so can't

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Dear Leo S, You are churning out awesome figures here, unarguably so. However, I wish you can spare some time to responded to my question on motive. While this is all now glaring, it is important to know if you are here shedding light, providing heat, or fanning smokes into our eyes? You seem to b

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, 19:32 Leo S, wrote: > > The current situation poses risks to users who rent their IP addresses. I > think the problem itself is AFRINIC's own problem. Who allocated 7 million > addresses to them? As far as I know, even providers like OVH do not have 7 > million IP addresses.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Litigations and Supreme Court Orders concerning AFRINIC

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021, 11:01 tech, wrote: > to dispel rumours and maintain the trust the market has in CI as the > leading IP address solution provider. > So the rumors are not new and they have been going on since 2014. In fact in 2014 Heng Lu wrote the below as per the rpd archive link below a

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Hi Ronald Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block allocated. This is not in 199x year. On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message < > calm9cbn+r9oen9+9ybjfbk5ggtcmemz1yhxgdfw0

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

These addresses are worth more than 100 million US dollars. If the address is revoked. For them, they will face a loss of 90% of their income Forced to close business. They will go all out, For Cloud Innovation Ltd, this is more than 100 million US dollars in cash. For AFRINIC it's a mere $10,000 U

[Community-Discuss] Reminder on the AFRINIC Code of Conduct

Dear Colleagues, We would like to remind you all to adhere to the AFRINIC code of conduct which ensures that discussions are kept professional especially in times of uncertainty and misinformation. It is only natural that people with different opinions, values and perspectives would find thems