Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

> On Aug 2, 2021, at 00:03 , Sylvain Baya wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC's Community, > > Please see my comments below, inline... > > Le samedi 31 juillet 2021, Owen DeLong > a écrit : > > >> On Jul 30, 2021, at 15:14 , Sylvain Baya > > wrote: >>

Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments

> On Aug 1, 2021, at 17:19 , Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message > > Christian Orozco wrote: > >> Owen said, the CORRECTION of behavior is what's being sought. > > I also have many outstanding quarrels with AFRINIC and I also fervently > desire to see the organization's behavior be

[Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

I am going to be replying thematically rather than ad seriatim. Apologies for the delay I've unfortunately been remarkably busy the last few days and keeping up to speed with other posts as they flood things keeps pushing back wrapping up a response. Quick disclaimer IANAL and styles in Gmail

Re: [Community-Discuss] [ripe-list] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

In message , Randy Bush ? wrote: >i think they hired trump and giuliani to lie and escalate. their >problem is that they are lying and trying to escalate to an audience of >internet operators who have decades of experience with a pretty stable >system It has taken quite some considerable

[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

Dear AfriNIC's Community, Le lundi 2 août 2021, Randy Bush a écrit : > >> until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted to avoid disruption to > >> our African end users and businesses. > > > > ...which *African* end users? imho, your real fear seem to be the lost > > of connectivity of the 90%,

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resource Transfer Policy Proposal Is Under Appeals

On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 11:45 PM wrote: > You don’t seem care much about the improvement and communication of AFRICA > . > Your Ignorance is excused. Noah ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net

Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus

On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 6:52 AM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message 1yay4up7tpj...@mail.gmail.com> > Lamiaa Chnayti wrote: > > >Attention Noah: I take note of your constant obsession with Larus... > > Please take note of mine also. > > Larus *is* Cloud Innovation and vise versa. To deny

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resource Transfer Policy Proposal Is Under Appeals

Hi Noah , I am not sure if maybe we are using the same dictionary for “building” , well otherwise it seems like you are using a different one, surely it extends destruction, instead of construction . Your obsession with LARUS makes you argue everyone whom you believe is associate with LARUS,

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Mike, that’s fair, but that framework is also set up such that icann performs its functions related to the ASO entirely under policies and dirrctives issued to it by the NRO/ASO (although formally ratified by the ICANN board), and that’s why I used the term puppet. Owen > On Aug 2, 2021, at

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Angola ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments.

Dear Silvio, Thank you for sharing the public statement of support from the Angola Internet services providers association and that of the 53 AFRINIC resource members across Angola who are available for any necessary support. The same sentiment is shared to this end. Cheers Noah On Mon, 2 Aug

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resource Transfer Policy Proposal Is Under Appeals

Oga Antony, To be honest, I am obsessed with building real networks and systems on the AFRICAN soil because I know the impact that such communication infrastructure have on our people and the digital transformation of Africa. That is my obsessions. Producing evidence here is immaterial, as such,

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

1- I’m not claiming to be a community member. I am a community member, whether you like it or not.. 2- Again, what stability? I’m just taking part of a discussion. If you really perceive my words and opinion as something that can bring down a whole community, then I must say I am impressed. (But

[Community-Discuss] RE : Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

French version bellow I really question the relevance of an inter RIR transfer policy. Resources where allocated to each RIR to be used for Internet development in their respective regions. Now I guess some people are not satisfied with the service level or whatsoever from AFRINIC.Why don’t they

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC FELLOWS' SOLIDARITY SUPPORT AND PUBLIC STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF AFRINIC

Dear AFRINIC Former Fellows, Thank you for the statement of support towards AFRINIC. *En avant AFRINIC!* Cheers, Noah On Mon, Aug 2, 2021 at 6:41 PM Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele < muyiwaca...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Internet Community, > > We, the undersigned, are veteran AFRINIC Fellows who

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

No it isn't! What is obvious is you claiming to be here as a community member but working so hard to bring down the stability of the same community you claim to belong to. Africa is Afrinic and Afrinic is Africa. A person (Afrinic) who has children (African Internet Ecosystem) will never

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Aww thanks Frank, that’s very nice of you. But don’t be sad, I’m not going anywhere. I’m actually very glad to see that this community still has nice people ! Best regards, Lamiaa Le lun. 2 août 2021 à 15:17, Frank Habicht a écrit : > On 02/08/2021 16:48, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote: > > So yes,

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Oh well Mirriam, I think it’s pretty obvious isn’t it? But I’ll consider this a genuine question from you, so here you go: As an AFRICAN citizen I’ve always been here to discuss the future of the AFRICAN Internet, just like everyone else.. I’ve always been fine with Afrinic, but based on all the

[Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Updates

Dear Colleagues, Please see below a message that was shared with our members. -- Kind Regards Eddy Kayihura M. Chief Executive Officer AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 51 00 | tt: @afrinic | https://www.afrinic.net | youtube.com/afrinicmedia ___ Vision: “A secure

[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

Dear AfriNIC's Community, Le dim. 1 août 2021 à 10:58 AM, Paul Wollner a écrit : > > Hello community > Hi Paul, Thanks for your email, brother. ...please, next time, replace community by its plural...unless you test your *globalisation*? > I think I misused the word “take over” to spike

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

On 02/08/2021 16:48, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote: > So yes, Africa > has always and will always have my support, but not AFRINIC.. Sad to see you go, but well - it is what it is. Frank ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Like Lamiaa pointed out the goal still evidently remains the same but the method at which we aim to achieve it is and might be different but securing the continent is a top priority. In addition, let’s stop this naming callings that has been happening on this thread and on other threads and focus

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

I definitely concur with the suggestion of passing a transfer policy. It provides much autonomy which is crucial in the current circumstances. Freedom of choice is very important especially now that the discussion has ramped up and more uncertainties are coming from AFRINIC. It is about time that

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Hi Sylvain I respectfully disagree. ICANN is a convenience through which the RIR’s operate. The rest of the NRO recognised AfriNIC and could have done so without ICANN involvement - had they so chosen. As it is - the NRO fulfils the role of ASO within ICANN and it could terminate the ASO /

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Without any hesitation, our continent always comes first. Unfortunately, if some other members weren’t so obsessed with diverting the scenario due to their personal motives and conflicts, you should clearly see that the goal remains the same, and the only difference is the way to achieve it. The

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 at 12:14, Anthony Ubah wrote: > +1 @Mike > > Agression and name calling has gradually become the order of the day. > I am not supporting any breach of the CoC, but high time! The days of passive Africans and sellouts who stand by and let external parties purloin resources

[Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Dear AfriNIC's Community, Le lundi 2 août 2021, Noah a écrit : > Hi Mike > > Hi Noah, Thanks for your email, brother! ...it's time to learn about the RIR system's history. > Thank you for your reply and opinion on the matter. > > I am personally offended by Owens choice of words against

[Community-Discuss] Reminder on the AFRINIC Code of Conduct

Dear Colleagues, We urge you all to read the AFRINIC Code of Conduct to make sure you are up to date on the processes that safeguard the discussion and community-driven policies at the heart of AFRINIC. The code of conduct ensures that discussions are kept professional and that individuals

Re: [Community-Discuss] Resource Transfer Policy Proposal Is Under Appeals

Hello Noah, I demand you produce this email, and all evidence surrounding this claim. Your obsession has really come to the edge at this time. You delusion of grandeur constantly pushes you towards aggression and personal attacks while responding to 'every single post' on every mailinglist.

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

+1 @Mike Agression and name calling has gradually become the order of the day. On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 4:44 AM Mike Silber wrote: > Hi Noah > > Without getting into the content of your mail and without endorsing the > specific language chosen by Owen: The RIRs are independent and ICANN does >

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Hi Mike Thank you for your reply and opinion on the matter. I am personally offended by Owens choice of words against ICANN. The existence of an RIR is only possible through ICANN ICP-2 and for him to refer to ICANN as a puppet is offending. AFRINIC would not have existed without the ICANN

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Hi Noah Without getting into the content of your mail and without endorsing the specific language chosen by Owen: The RIRs are independent and ICANN does not in any way direct or control the RIRs. The RIRs chose to operate within the ICANN framework, however can move the NRO / ASO out of

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

@Noah +100. Yeah we need his sentiments on that. Please answer, Owen, now we can understand you resignation from ARIN's AC, hu interesting things Waiting for your reaction on that. Le lun. 2 août 2021 à 08:26, Noah a écrit : > Owen, > > I have some questions for you... > > On

[Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

Owen, I have some questions for you... On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:43 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss, < community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > > While people often mistake ICANN for some form of authority, the reality > is that for number > resources, ICANN is a puppet at the end of the strings

Re: [Community-Discuss] The "rights" of Cloud Innovation

Pas tout à fait vrai Ronald, quand tu lis le RSA, il fait clairement recours au Bylaws et au CPM, donc prétendre que seul le RSA relie Afrinic à CI, s'est faire preuve de mauvaise fois et limité le champ d'action des autres textes qui sont bel et bien liés. Merci de relire aussi le RSA tu y

[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comments below, inline... Le samedi 31 juillet 2021, Owen DeLong a écrit : > > > On Jul 30, 2021, at 15:14 , Sylvain Baya wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC's Community, > > Le mercredi 28 juillet 2021, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss < >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

What risk ? a mad man in a market does not make the whole market mad? Get some time and read the RSA if you read it loud and clear , thats the only relationship Afrinic and CL that exists, as a resource holder i will back Afrinic to the last minute , lets wait for the courts to decide. i find

[Community-Discuss] Resource Transfer Policy Proposal Is Under Appeals

On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 08:53 Brian Sowers, wrote: > The transfer policy makes sense. Not the Larus sponsored RTP which is under PDWG appeal. We got an email from a reliable source about the genesis of the Antony/Taiwo resource transfer policy so I know the motive which is now more clear in light

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

Hi Owen, On Sunday, 1 August 2021 21:36:55 +04 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: > There are very few powers that be for dealing with a situation where an > RIR’s board and/or management run amok and contrary to the rules which > govern them. The NRO cannot make any significant action