Re: [Community-Discuss] Update 04 Aug 2021

2021-08-05 Thread Brian Sowers
Noah, Your name calling doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s clear that whatever AFRINIC presented in court did not immediately clear their name. And yes, I am a ghost. I am neither here nor there but am beside you even as you sleep. Perhaps when you will have woken up this morning, I

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] [rpd] Unaddressed queries by AFRINIC during AGMM

2021-08-05 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
How about just providing simple text answers to the questions? I don’t think webinars are necessary. I think that the questions need to be addressed and that there is really no difficulty to do so in text. Owen > On Aug 5, 2021, at 06:03 , AFRINIC Communication wrote: > > Dear Mr Wollner, >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update 04 Aug 2021

2021-08-05 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Aug 5, 2021, at 04:18 , Murungi Daniel via Community-Discuss > wrote: > > One probable reason could be that CI were caught with their pants down and > requested for time to cook up a new story :) > Not this crap again. Whereas you are entitled to your opinion, stop spewing

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

2021-08-05 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Aug 5, 2021, at 04:44 , Sylvain Baya wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC's Community, > > Please see my comments below, inline... > > Le mardi 3 août 2021, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> > a écrit : > > >> On Aug 2, 2021, at 00:03 , Sylvain Baya > > wrote: >> >>

Re: [Community-Discuss] NRO MoU section 9. Advisory Appeals Process (was: ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA))

2021-08-05 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
Sylvain, I think you missed some very key points in this… I have added emphasis and separated the relevant parts to help you… > > 9. Advisory Appeals Process > The NRO shall establish an NRO Advisory Appeals Panel, with one > representative from each RIR region, but whose members shall not be

[Community-Discuss] NRO MoU section 9. Advisory Appeals Process (was: ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA))

2021-08-05 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear AfriNIC's Community, Le jeudi 5 août 2021, John Curran a écrit : > On 5 Aug 2021, at 10:26 AM, Sylvain Baya wrote: > > ... > > [...] > > > > ...i hope this makes sense :-/ > > But let me know, please. > > Sylvain - Hi John, > > I believe that you are asking how should

Re: [Community-Discuss] NRO MoU section 9. Advisory Appeals Process (was: ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA))

2021-08-05 Thread Noah
Hi John, On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 20:36 John Curran, wrote: > It is my personal view that you (this collective community) are AFRINIC, > and working to strengthen & instill faith in AFRINIC would appear the most > direct path to both avoiding disputes and resolving those that do arise > from time to

Re: [Community-Discuss] NRO MoU section 9. Advisory Appeals Process (was: ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA))

2021-08-05 Thread John Curran
On 5 Aug 2021, at 10:26 AM, Sylvain Baya wrote: > ... > Many thanks for pointing it out. > It's really appreciated :-) > ...i really missed it, at first sight :'-( > > Then, imho, there are two possible successive > actions: > > ~°~ > 1. Submit a gDPP (global Draft Policy Proposal) [*] > 2.

[Community-Discuss] NRO MoU section 9. Advisory Appeals Process (was: ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA))

2021-08-05 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comments below, inline... Le jeudi 5 août 2021, John Curran a écrit : > On 5 Aug 2021, at 6:23 AM, Sylvain Baya wrote: > > ... > > Please Mike, but open to all, are you willing to > check whether this could ameliorate, the addressing > of conflictual

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] [rpd] Unaddressed queries by AFRINIC during AGMM

2021-08-05 Thread AFRINIC Communication
Dear Mr Wollner, This is a follow-up to our previous response to you regarding questions. We have planned to address these questions through a series of webinars. However, these AFRINIC webinar series that we started on 19 July 2021

[Community-Discuss] A Response to RFG on Matters AFRINIC

2021-08-05 Thread Noah
Hi Ronald, Allow me to respond to your email which I found very touching and extremely useful. On Tue, 3 Aug 2021, 17:44 Ronald F. Guilmette, wrote: > In message > outlook.com>, AMADU YUSIF wrote: > > >Well, done REN. This is what we expect from likeminded community in > support > >of

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update 04 Aug 2021

2021-08-05 Thread Murungi Daniel via Community-Discuss
Dear Elvis, > Let's face the facts, AFRINIC is a terrible and difficult condition which one > of the reason is due to some of the decisions that the organization made in > the past. Not this crap again. Whereas you are entitled to your opinion, stop spewing misinformation. Regards,

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update 04 Aug 2021

2021-08-05 Thread Noah
Oga Elvis, On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 15:14 Ibeanusi Elvis, wrote: > > Can I call you a GHOST as well cause we have different views? > No you can not because I am still alive with a heart pumping, breath gasping, warm body and I know you are not a Ghost as well because I have seen your CV when you

Re: [Community-Discuss] NRO MoU section 9. Advisory Appeals Process (was: ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA))

2021-08-05 Thread John Curran
On 5 Aug 2021, at 6:23 AM, Sylvain Baya mailto:absc...@gmail.com>> wrote: ... Please Mike, but open to all, are you willing to check whether this could ameliorate, the addressing of conflictual relations between a regional RIR and its resource members? ... 9. Advisory Appeals Process The NRO

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update 04 Aug 2021

2021-08-05 Thread Ibeanusi Elvis
There is nowhere or an incline mentioning that legal proceeding are rushed. We all know how legal proceedings work and know that it requires time to ascertain and make clear, definitive judgement and decision. Let's face the facts, AFRINIC is a terrible and difficult condition which one of

[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

2021-08-05 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comments below, inline... Le mardi 3 août 2021, Owen DeLong a écrit : > > > On Aug 2, 2021, at 00:03 , Sylvain Baya wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC's Community, > > Please see my comments below, inline... > > Le samedi 31 juillet 2021, Owen DeLong a écrit : >>

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Joint statement on the current AFRINIC situation from the African Regional RENs

2021-08-05 Thread Omo Oaiya
On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 12:11 Noah, wrote: > Hi Len > > The community acknowledges TENET position and endorsement on the matter > under the South Africa ISPA-ZA umbrella. > > What is equally more important to the wider NREN is that regional research > and education networks interconnecting national

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Joint statement on the current AFRINIC situation from the African Regional RENs

2021-08-05 Thread Noah
Hi Len The community acknowledges TENET position and endorsement on the matter under the South Africa ISPA-ZA umbrella. What is equally more important to the wider NREN is that regional research and education networks interconnecting national research and education networks (NRENs) across the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update 04 Aug 2021

2021-08-05 Thread Christian Orozco
> > Legal proceedings are never rushed. > Yes, correct. But what circumstance could have caused the need to set it next week? One probable reason could be AFRINIC's incapacity to provide necessary documents/ evidence. We do not actually know, yet Brian still has a reason to doubt. The Af*

[Community-Discuss] NRO MoU section 9. Advisory Appeals Process (was: ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA))

2021-08-05 Thread Sylvain Baya
{start new thread from [*]} Dear AfriNIC's Community, Le jeudi 5 août 2021, Mike Silber a écrit : > I think we are in violent agreement my brother :-) > > Hi Mike, ...thanks for this last note, brother ;-) You know, the situation is critical, as an *army* has started to recruit here:

[Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

2021-08-05 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comments below, inline... Le samedi 31 juillet 2021, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa < akin.akinfe...@uniosun.edu.ng> a écrit : > +1 Sylvain! > > Hi Timothy, Thanks for your support, brother :-) > > On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 12:48 AM Sylvain Baya wrote: > >> Dear

Re: [Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

2021-08-05 Thread Mike Silber
I think we are in violent agreement my brother :-) > On 5 Aug 2021, at 10:51, Sylvain Baya wrote: > > {excuse the late response, please!} > Dear AfriNIC's Community, > > Le lundi 2 août 2021, Mike Silber > a écrit : > Hi Sylvain > > > Hi Mike, > Thanks for

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update 04 Aug 2021

2021-08-05 Thread Noah
On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 11:47 Omo Oaiya, wrote: > >> The donations shall start with even myself as an individual. I just need >> to know which 3rd party supplier AFRINIC uses and I will make payments to >> them directly online via VISA or MASTERCARD. >> >> That is "Ubuntu". >> > > Great end Noah but

[Community-Discuss] ICANN ( NRO ) vs LARUS (NRA)

2021-08-05 Thread Sylvain Baya
{excuse the late response, please!} Dear AfriNIC's Community, Le lundi 2 août 2021, Mike Silber a écrit : > Hi Sylvain > > Hi Mike, Thanks for your email, brother. ...i, first, have to apologize as my tone was not as usual. But it was not directed to an individual; but rather, it was another

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-05 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
The bylaws are plenty of evident mistakes … Such as the understanding of the “community”, or use of “internet” instead of “Internet”, etc. However the intent of 11.4 was “to resolve an urgent problem in Internet resources” (not issues in the PDP itself): The Board is allowed to change

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update 04 Aug 2021

2021-08-05 Thread Omo Oaiya
On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 08:04 Noah, wrote: > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 07:05 Brian Sowers, wrote: > >> The court is simply adjourning a week and a half later to deliberate >> again. > > > Legal proceedings are never rushed. > > > I appreciate this update from Eddy, but it doesn’t offer any hope to

[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-05 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comments below, inline... Le jeudi 5 août 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> a écrit : > Hi Sylvain, > > Hi Jordi, Thanks for replying, brother. > 11.4 literally says policy not DPP. > > ...exact,

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Joint statement on the current AFRINIC situation from the African Regional RENs

2021-08-05 Thread Paul Wollner
Hello Len,Thank you for the clarification on the statement.  RegardsPaul On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 15:03:35 +0200 Len Lotz wrote Dear All   A recent statement on the AfriNIC members-discuss mailing list, in which the UbuntuNet Alliance and the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-05 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
Hi Sylvain, 11.4 literally says policy not DPP. Also ready 11.5, otherwise you are taking it out of context. Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comments below, inline... Le dimanche 1 août 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss a écrit : Hi Noah, Hi Jordi,

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update 04 Aug 2021

2021-08-05 Thread Noah
On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 07:05 Brian Sowers, wrote: > The court is simply adjourning a week and a half later to deliberate > again. Legal proceedings are never rushed. I appreciate this update from Eddy, but it doesn’t offer any hope to > pro-AFRINICs other than a false optimism that AFRINIC