Re: Government License

2014-07-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jul 2, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Henri Yandell bay...@apache.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:24 AM, David Welton dav...@dedasys.com wrote: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread David Welton
Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, Illinois

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Johannes Geppert
Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete usage scenarios instead? Like cyber crime and/or spying Johannes # web: http://www.jgeppert.com twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep 2014-07-02 9:24 GMT+02:00 David Welton

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread jan i
*An:* community@apache.org *Betreff:* Re: Government License Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete usage scenarios instead? Like cyber crime and/or spying Johannes # web: http://www.jgeppert.com

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM, David Welton dav...@dedasys.com wrote: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
Op 2 jul. 2014, om 10:33 heeft Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM, David Welton dav...@dedasys.com wrote: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
Nope... Freedome #0 and OSD #6 On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:37 AM, Johannes Geppert jo...@apache.org wrote: Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete usage scenarios instead? Like cyber crime and/or spying

RE: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. The special Java disclaimer is not present. (See http://hg.openjdk.java.net/jdk9/jdk9/jdk/file/2df45ac1bf49/LICENSE. - Dennis From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:di...@webweaving.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2014 01:46 To: community@apache.org Cc: David Welton Subject: Re: Government License Op 2

Re: Government License

2014-07-02 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 12:24 AM, David Welton dav...@dedasys.com wrote: Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you

Re: Government License

2014-07-01 Thread Henri Yandell
Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military uses. Hen On Monday, June 30, 2014, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want

Re: Government License

2014-06-30 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 06/30/2014 09:40 AM, McGovern, James wrote: Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the NSA to have access to it. If

Re: Government License

2014-06-30 Thread David Nalley
That wouldn't be an open source license. Remember freedom #1 - free to be able to use in any manner for any purpose. That said there are actually a number of licenses that 'no evil' clauses in them; and IIRC there are licenses that forbid use by the US government; though a quick google failed me.

Re: Government License

2014-06-30 Thread Jim Jagielski
Sure. But then it wouldn't be either an Open Source nor a Free Software license. On Jun 30, 2014, at 10:40 AM, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want

Re: Government License

2014-06-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:40 AM, McGovern, James james.mcgov...@hp.com wrote: Has anyone ever explored creation of a license model that forbids the Federal Government in using its software? For example, you may want to create a new encryption algorithm but for whatever reasons, don’t want the