Dear Community,
We, the OpenMoko Team, have promised exciting news about our project
today. We have some information that we think you will like very much,
but also have some news we like less. Let us first address the
unpleasant part, before turning to the more cheerful part of this
Sean,
This is a great decision. I'm sure the community will be supportive and
the end product will benefit from the early openness. I'm looking
forward to getting early access to the hardware and software and hope to
contribute something to the software effort.
Chuck
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote on
Hi,
I understand the problems that could happen when developing embedded
devices, so I appreciate that you're sincere and provide us the source
code as a good (although not ideal) starting point.
Thanks and see you at FOSDEM, I won't make it to the Friday Beer, but we
can meet during the
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 12:35 +0100, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't understand; can you confirm that the
Neo1973 will or wont have BT and Wifi?
Me neither! I am quite sure that it will have BT, I thought that WiFi
is going to be later (in next Neo
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 11:16:06AM +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia sobota, 10 lutego 2007, Joshua Hoblitt napisa?:
Does anyone know if Perl or Python will build on openembbeded/ep93xx?
Both languages are supported. Perl 5.8.7, Python 2.4.x
That's great. Is it reasonable to assume
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 01:34:51PM +0200, Mikko J Rauhala wrote:
I do also appreciate that adding Bluetooth back in wasn't trivial, but
it does make the first edition much more useful (esp. local wireless
internet, in lieu of wifi), so thanks for reacting to those requests.
Quick thought:
On ma, 2007-02-12 at 01:54 -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote:
Quick thought: Shouldn't wifi be possible via the use of a USB dongle?
Yes yes, if you get it power from somewhere other than the Neo (such as
an internal battery, USB power injector, or a (battery) powered hub).
It's been discussed before.
Just as note: I just bought, for exact that purpose, a DLink Bluetooth
AP on ebay, used for 15EUR.
Maybe an option... for much purposes Bluetooth PAN will fully enough.
Cheers
nils
Mikko J Rauhala schrieb:
On ma, 2007-02-12 at 01:54 -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote:
Quick thought: Shouldn't
Or another option would be to put them on CafePress as well - which
serves the US, and also would probably be much cheaper for us (bad,
bad you exchange rate you)
Andrew
On 2/12/07, Daniel Willmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:04:48 -0600
Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for all your help.
video ringtones are not programs - they are just video
animations. You can do them in graphic programs.
I know that the actual video is not a program, but I would like to
develop a program that plays the videos when you get a call.
if you focus on graphic
You have 845 people subscribed to this list who all support what you
do 100%. Delays just make us want one more.
All interested developers can purchase Neos starting late March.
Do you have to be a developer to purchase in March? I am going to try
to learn GTK+, but I doubt I will call
I have looked at numerous websites and I am still very confused about
what I need to write stuff for OpenMoko (Mostly UI). I use Mac OS X,
and I don't have a whole lot of prior coding experience. I learn
pretty quickly, though. Does anyone know of tutorials, etc. that will
get me on the
I have the same problem, I don't feel to be called a developper. I'am a
network guy (Open source first, but network).
So I propose that all members of the Open Moko mailing lists may have a
priority on purchassing a phone for testing/troubleshooting (of course) if
theire is some devices left
On Monday 12 February 2007 04:59, Daniel Willmann wrote:
Hi,
I spent some time designing t-shirts and polo-shirts with the
OpenMoko logo:
http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?sid=211795
Thanks goes to the coreteam who allowed me to use the logo.
Hi,
Is this something where the proceeds go
So I propose that all members of the Open Moko mailing lists may
have a
priority on purchassing a phone for testing/troubleshooting (of
course) if
theire is some devices left after develpppers. :):):)
I'll drink to that (when i'm 21). Sounds like a really (clears
throat) great idea.
Hi Ryan, I understand where you're coming from. Right now the process
of getting up and running developing for the Neo1973 isn't
straight-forward - especially for a new coder.
This is for a bunch of reasons, one of which is that the actual
software isn't released yet, but will be in the near
For programming, you'll need to start to get up and running with C++.
That's a fairly daunting task, but if you want to do real programming
for the Neo, you'll need to know how to program in C++, or possibly
Python.
With regards to themes - not sure how they'll be configured, though
probably
Ryan - Someone suggested getting VMWare setting up a Ubuntu VM ...
this is a -great- suggestion since you're running OSX, -if- you have
an Intel-Mac. If you have a PPC-Mac, then this is not an option
(AFAIK), and you'll need to either (1) install Linux on another hard
drive / partition
VMWare does not support OS X.
Can you be more specific about Ubuntu, what I am supposed to get
exactly.
I've heard of C++, what is the best way to get started?
What is Python?
For my mockups, should I just use the example pics from the press
release?
Thanks,
ryan
On Feb 12, 2007, at
On Monday 12 February 2007 16:16:04 Shridhar Jayanthi wrote:
with a WiFi card. But I was wondering if it's possible to make a IP stack
over bluetooth, to use the OpenMoko. Besides needing a bluethooth
hotspot, is there any technical reason for which this wouldn't work?
You can use IP over
VMWare does not support OS X.
They have a beta for Intel-Mac OSX. Nothing for PPC Mac though.
Expect a full release this summer, with all the great features of
their other VM players.
Can you be more specific about Ubuntu, what I am supposed to get
exactly.
Ubuntu is a Linux
Woah! That's a lot of information. Let me try to peice it together:
I have both a PPC and an Intel-Mac, Do I just download the Linux
VMWare? It doesn't seem to have support for Os X.
What is OE/BB?
Are you saying i need to program in a Linux environment?
Thanks,
ryan
On Feb 12, 2007, at
I have both a PPC and an Intel-Mac, Do I just download the Linux
VMWare? It doesn't seem to have support for Os X.
You download a VMWare beta fusion for Intel-Mac:
http://www.vmware.com/products/beta/fusion/
Then you download an Ubuntu ISO or a VMWare Ubuntu application:
Truphone's claim to fame is it's one touch voip install, it obviously
wont work out of the box but could be modified to suit eventually.
Regards,
Dean Collins
Cognation Pty Ltd
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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph
+1-917-207-3420 Mb
+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney
Richard,
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:54:11 +0100
Richard Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 12 February 2007 04:59, Daniel Willmann wrote:
Hi,
I spent some time designing t-shirts and polo-shirts with the
OpenMoko logo:
http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?sid=211795
Thanks
You didn't have to call me a noobjk (im not a fan of nerd speak).
Get used to it ;)
Thanks so much, that is really what I was looking for. By running
Linux, I will be prepared when someone releases an OpenMoko
programming suite, right?
In theory, yes, by running Linux you'll be
Just for the record, as a 'member of the community' or whatever, I
don't like this.
Sean, you might want to consider keeping tighter control over your
trademarks. Just because you are opening your phone, you don't have
to open your trademarks for people to use in their own profit making
ROB writes:
Just for the record, as a 'member of the community' or whatever, I
don't like this.
Speaking as the designer of the Mopar Mailing List logo (which
incorporates the old Chrysler Motors Corporation Pentastar trademark
with Chrysler's permission), I don't mind it a bit. One way
What is Python?
A scripting language. Much like perl, or bash/sh/csh/tcsh scripts -
or AppleScipt if you've done that. Or MATLAB.
That's great ! I didn't know there was python involved in openmoko... What
parts? The networking one? (twisted?)
You can also use Parallels Desktop for OS X at www.parallels.com.
Works like a charm for me.
-- Terrence
Michael Dickens wrote:
VMWare does not support OS X.
They have a beta for Intel-Mac OSX. Nothing for PPC Mac though. Expect
a full release this summer, with all the great features of
Hey, like the shirts, esp the mug, think I might just have to get me one of
those.
How about a page on the wiki about the shirts/mugs??
Graham
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Willmann
Sent: 12 February 2007 03:59
To:
Gabriel Ambuehl schrieb:
On Monday 12 February 2007 17:18:35 Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
I don't mind it a bit. One way
corporations have destroyed an incredible amount of good-will in the
past has been by trying to retain a too-tight control over their
trademarks
The problem with trademark law is
* Ben Burdette [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070210 19:47]:
Unfortunatly, It looks to me like T-Mobile is currently not interested in
letting its pre-paid customers use GPRS to go anywhere outside their Silly
T-Zones walled garden.
Let me guess.
This contains such things as weather reports, news
The solution to dilution via unlicensed use (ie: fan sites) is to give
people explicit permission or a license to use the mark under certain
circumstances for a certain purpose.
On 2/12/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 12 February 2007 17:18:35 Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
I don't
Hi,
Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
What I would like to write:
-Graphically cool looking programs like video ringtones that have
some kind of really cool animation that plays when you get a call.
video ringtones are not programs - they are just video
animations. You can do them in
Guys, please don't make a long thread out of it. Since Daniel knew
about our 200% load, Daniel wanted to surprise us with OpenMoko T-Shirts
for FOSDEM, that's why he went forward and created them. He explicitly
asked for the permission to use the logos and we agreed.
I hope we (as in OpenMoko)
Parallels isn't free, yes? The VMware fusion beta currently is ...
of course, it's beta so its utility might not be that great; should
be $99 once it's released (maybe beta testers can get a discount? I
don't know). I actually use Parallels right now, though I need to
try out the VMware
Gabriel Ambuehl writes:
On Monday 12 February 2007 17:18:35 Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
I don't mind it a bit. One way
corporations have destroyed an incredible amount of good-will in the
past has been by trying to retain a too-tight control over their
trademarks
The problem with trademark law is
Parallels is $79, sometimes they run offers at $49. Money well spent
IMO. It runs very well and increases my productivity greatly because
I can run multiple OSes quickly and reliably.
I believe they will shortly release a tool to convert with VMware images.
I assume VMware will be a good option
Michael,
While one -can- get OE/BB running under OSX, at least
theoretically, it's not as simple as doing it under Linux
shouldn't we just join forces and craft an Installer package for
getting OE installed directly on a Mac?
IMHO, needing to install some VM and a full Linux one of the
Oh please do!! And while you are at it, could you make one for Linux,
I just installed it.
-ryan
On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Michael,
While one -can- get OE/BB running under OSX, at least
theoretically, it's not as simple as doing it under Linux
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Ryan Kline wrote:
I have looked at numerous websites and I am still very confused about what I
need to write stuff for OpenMoko (Mostly UI). I use Mac OS X, and I don't
have a whole lot of prior coding experience. I learn pretty quickly, though.
Does anyone know of
On Monday 12 February 2007 08:18, picked up the following transmission
from Joe Pfeiffer:
ROB writes:
Just for the record, as a 'member of the community' or whatever, I
don't like this.
Speaking as the designer of the Mopar Mailing List logo (which
incorporates the old Chrysler Motors
It is one of my goals to get OE running under OSX, in a fashion that
is repeatable most of the time by most folks. That way one can do
the work on a PPC or Intel Mac, and not require a VM of any type.
This would be -good-, though the VM concept and implementation is
awesome IMHO. In
Sounds like a question for Jon of Creative Commons. Jon, any advice here?
Michael
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, ROB wrote:
The solution to dilution via unlicensed use (ie: fan sites) is to give
people explicit permission or a license to use the mark under certain
circumstances for a certain purpose.
Hi Daniel,
Great job going out and doing this, I'm sure that FIC will eventually
move into merchandising some time in the future but great initiative (I
also read how you got permission first so that's cool).
If you are coming to www.BarCampUSA.org in August make sure you bring a
ton of them to
Salve Harald!
Harald Welte schrieb am Sonntag, den 11. Februar 2007 um 22:21h:
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:05:03PM +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote:
Any news on this? I'm not holding by breath for 4GB, but has 2GB been
confirmed?
Sandisk 2GB SDSDQU-2048-E10M works just fine.
Thank you for this
Hello.
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 19:38, Robert Michel wrote:
So microSD cards with 4GB or more are based on SDHC,
and the SD standards are not so open that writing
drivers would be possible to everybody - right?
The simplified SD sstandard also covers SDHC. Plain linux kernel
already has SDHC
Salve Ryan!
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Ryan Kline wrote:
So I propose that all members of the Open Moko mailing lists may
have a
priority on purchassing a phone for testing/troubleshooting (of
course) if
theire is some devices left after develpppers. :):):)
I'll drink to that (when i'm
Here's a touchscreen mobile product that has a familiarish name and
claims to be 'open', by which I think they mean 'has an API'.
In any case, this page has ideas to consider for gestures:
http://www.neonode.com/en-gb/Products/Neonode-N2/Neonode-N2-technology/U
sing-Neno/
Sam Kome
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'd like to check it out,
and
possibly write a recipe for setting up in this.
Simplest: Setup the VM with Ubuntu 6.10; follow instructions on
OpenMoko wiki. I don't think a special script will be very useful
here since there isn't much (if
On 2/12/07, Ryan Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have 845 people subscribed to this list who all support what you do
100%. Delays just make us want one more.
All interested developers can purchase Neos starting late March.
Do you have to be a developer to purchase in March? I am going to try
Hello all,
I have been reading the postings here for a few months, and up till now all
my questions have been answered fairly well without having to post anything
of my own.
I had an idea for a program I wanted to contribute to the community, but had
a quick question first. I mostly program in
That does seem to make more sense. I guess I should have said, I'll
drink [juice] to that!
-ryan
On Feb 12, 2007, at 3:07 PM, ROB wrote:
Not that it matters all that much, but I think he was telling you that
you didn't have to wait 8 years to drink to the project because you
can always toast
Salve Ryan!
Ryan Kline schrieb am Montag, den 12. Februar 2007 um 14:54h:
Actually, I will wait.
This is fine. ;)
But I fear, you got me wrong.
I think I will wait. I do
understand that this community drinks, but I do not feel pressured to
do the same.
and [when] you have someday
Sorry, I didn't understand. Where is FOSDEM? I doubt I will be able
to attend any events unless they are in Dallas. I have too much going
on in school and I don't really feel like I am part of the project.
Thanks,
ryan
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Parallels is a virtualization environment. Once installed it gives
you an black DOS screen in a OS X window, saying Please insert boot disk.
From there on it behaves like any PC so you can install any x86 OS
you like.
I have not yet tried to set up OE, but since you'll probably install
Linux on
Absolutely. There have been several discussions on this, and there
are efforts underway to create appropriate projects. I believe there
will be Java ME as well as Java SE ports. I personally will be
involved in seeing the Java ME port along. Stay tuned.
-- Terrence
Martin Lefkowitz wrote:
We
On Monday 12 February 2007 14:26, picked up the following transmission
from Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded:
Absolutely. There have been several discussions on this, and there
are efforts underway to create appropriate projects. I believe there
will be Java ME as well as Java
I would personally really like to be able to boot a computer on my linux
phone, using a regular usb-miniusb cable.
I know that USB boot isn't available on every computer in the same
implementation, but nowaday's ones should.
Woud it be possible, in file storage mode, or a dedicated boot mode,
Most cell phones don't seem to handle this properly.
When your phone has no signal, any calls go straight to voicemail. When you
don't answer your phone, calls go to voicemail after a pre-specified number
of rings (typically 5).
When someone calls and you want to ignore them (by pressing a
On 00:12:47 2007-02-13 Alexandre Franke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/12/07, Alan Ide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh - BTW, I know the other option is using SDL, but Im not
particularly fluent in that either.
Anyway, isn't SDL built on top of OpenGL ?
No. SDL is a layer that sticks
Sorry to ask this, but which hardware features will finally be integrated in
this version?
- bluetooth?
- wifi (you mentioned it)?
Thanks for clearing up my mind :)
Florent
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I know this has been discussed before, but I am trying to see how much
interest there is in a camera. I never thought I would use it, but lately,
I've found that I am using the camera much more often to take simple
pictures and videos and send multimedia messages to friends.
This seems like a
On 2/13/07, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OpenGL is in the driver/hardware(not sure which).
OpenGL is an API.
SDL only provides a simple interface to it all.
An interface to what? OpenGL + other things? Isn't it what is called
built on top of?
And who would acctually
* Joe Shmoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070213 00:19]:
Most cell phones don't seem to handle this properly.
When your phone has no signal, any calls go straight to voicemail. When
you don't answer your phone, calls go to voicemail after a pre-specified
number of rings (typically 5).
What's wince? Do you know anything about Neo-Windows Mobile?
-ryan
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I am trying to install OE on Ubuntu 6.10 and I am having trouble
installing monotone. I was told to ask Joe how he solved this problem:
In the terminal, I type:
wget http://www.venge.net/monotone/downloads/monotone_0.32-0.1_i386.deb
Which works fine, then:
sudo dpkg
Actually there is something called OpenGL ES (for Embedded Systems) which
might come in handy.
How well would it run without hardware acceleration?
I'd appreciate hardware/software specs of the graphics device...
Florent
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You need to install boost too. You can find it in dpkg, or apt-get,
or dselect, or whatever. Just install what's available (all of
them). - MLD
On Feb 12, 2007, at 7:04 PM, Ryan Kline wrote:
I am trying to install OE on Ubuntu 6.10 and I am having trouble
installing monotone. I was told
One way would be for FIC to supply an optional fatter replacement battery
that
included one extra 1.5v cell, a wifi dongle, and the necessary circuitry
for
charging the additional cell after the regular ones were full, and
supplying
the 3.3 / 5v outlets.
Could another one be to use a wifi
http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/CPH420MP.asp , available on Amazon
There seem to be battery powered usb hubs
**
*Hub 420 MP*
The latest product innovation from CyberPower Systems provides you with the
ability to easily connect and power up to four USB devices without an ac
power adapter. The
Thanks, I'm just being too lazy. Im pretty scared about this OE thing
because I am running Linux on VMWare Beta, on my brand new 17
MacBook Pro...Should I be worried?
-ryan
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After trying to install OE, I concluded that I needed boost. I typed
sudo dselect then went to select then tried to search boost but
returned no results. Any help appreciated.
-ryan
P.S.-Sorry if I have been posting too much over the last few days, I
have become engrossed in the project
On Tuesday 13 February 2007 02:08, Florent THIERY wrote:
http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/CPH420MP.asp , available on Amazon
There seem to be battery powered usb hubs
**
*Hub 420 MP*
You do run the risk of looking a bit like a nerd with one of those and a few
USB peripherals hanging off your
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 05:22:43PM -0600, Ryan Kline wrote:
I read somewhere that the Neo will be able to boot Windows Mobile? I
probably wouldn't ever want to do this, but is it possible? If so,
how? It would be really, really, cool to see a dual boot phone.
There was an original plan by
The MacBook Pro is plenty powerful enough to handle what you're doing.
Yup, and I've got two gigs of RAM.
Now if you want to bitbake world then I'd recommend a 40 GB VM
HD ... just to cover your bases.
What is all this, world stuff. I've seen hello world also, is it
like a system?
Thanks
Wouldn't it be hilarious if we finally find a USB power solution
after spending many hours laboriously building a device only to find
that Sean has decided to power the USB port.
-ryan (always eager to add humor to the subject)
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Quoting Pedro Aguilar [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
I understand the problems that could happen when developing embedded
devices, so I appreciate that you're sincere and provide us the source
code as a good (although not ideal) starting point.
Glad you see this is what we're trying to do ;-)
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sean,
I'd like to add my voice in support of your decision to delay the hardware.
I've been in situations like this, and I appreciate the difficulty of making
this decision. From my experience, I believe you've made the right
choice, and
I fully support you and
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