Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video support. swfdec is LGPL though so as long as the mp3 and flash video support comes from external libraries it will be fine. Christian On Wed,

Gestures and Unicode Input

2007-03-22 Thread Alexander E Genaud
[Gestures and Unicode Input] Gestures, in lieu of passwords, is a brilliant idea and I hope it can be done. However, it sounds deterministically fuzzy/difficult. Even Picaso did not sketch the exact thing twice. Other input methods such as Shapewriting are also very promising. However, none seem

Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
There is many good solutions out here. From my point of view, I would like something like this: - launch apps-security - check the check boxes you like: x encrypt phonebook x encrypt SMS x encrypt browserdata x encrypt multimedia x encrypt other stuff I think this would be possible since

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: There is many good solutions out here. From my point of view, I would like something like this: - launch apps-security - check the check boxes you like: x encrypt phonebook [...] I think this would be possible since each of these groups is

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: There is many good solutions out here. From my point of view, I would like something like this: - launch apps-security - check the check boxes you like: x encrypt phonebook [...] I think this would be possible since each of these groups is stored in

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Mikko J Rauhala
On to, 2007-03-22 at 11:31 +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: One remaining question is if the user manually wants to lock the phone during use (usually with a PIN). We can't really unmount the microSD card because then the phonebook is unavailable and incoming calls can't tell who is calling (and

Re: Openmoko Google Summer of Code Projects

2007-03-22 Thread Milinda Pathirage
Hi, I would like to do Mapping Application for Openmoko as my Summer of code Project. Can someone please be my mentor on this project and provide some comments and details about this project. Thanks Milinda On 3/16/07, Milinda Pathirage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am udergraduate student

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Steven **
How does the GPL prevent mp3 and flash video support? -Steven On 3/22/07, Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video support. swfdec is

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Frank de Lange
Steven ** wrote: How does the GPL prevent mp3 and flash video support? -Steven On 3/22/07, Christian F.K. Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Nils Faerber
Christian F.K. Schaller schrieb: Gnash would probably be of no interest to any shipping a commercial product as the GPL license of it will conflict with enabling mp3 and flash video support. swfdec is LGPL though so as long as the mp3 and flash video support comes from external libraries it

Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

2007-03-22 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070321 22:58]: Andreas Kostyrka wrote: ...plus probably a system that would automatically upload/download moko-ness information. snip This way all mokos could keep in touch, and people that switch phones more often would be able to tune it. First,

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

2007-03-22 Thread Steven **
Umm... I don't think you need a full physics engine for the stuff you're talking about. Having a scroll that isn't a 1:1 map to the user's action isn't hard. It's just an extra calculation in the scroll code. I think it's a great idea to have some rate-aiding on scrolling. But I think an

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Edwin Lock
I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why not use the implementation that nokia has? It works just fine for me.. Greetings, Edwin Lock ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Hi Nils, Been discussing this with various organizations over the last few years as part of working with distributions and embedded makers and the response of most lawyers involved is that they don't think the combination of non-free GStreamer plugin + LGPL GStreamer framework + GPL application is

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Christian F.K. Schaller
Sure, if you are making this device and only targeting areas where the patents do not apply then its fine. But FIC for instance I assume will try to ship their products in US/Canada/Australia and large parts of Europe where patents on these things are in effect. See my reply to Nils for a more

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia czwartek, 22 marca 2007, Edwin Lock napisał: I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why not use the implementation that nokia has? It works just fine for me.. Nokia paid to have Flash on Nokia 770/n800. You can't use it on other devices without

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Brad Pitcher
The reason we can't do that is because that's proprietary flash built into opera-mini. We don't want either of those in OpenMoko. -Brad On 3/22/07, Edwin Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have flash on my nokia 770, that works fine and its an ARM9 if I'm correct? So why not use the

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread hank williams
The flash situation is interesting. I spend a large part of my time doing flash development, and the pervasiveness and importance of the flash platform creates a really serious problem with the religious perspective about everything openmoko being open source. Flash is a critical element of the

Re: Gestures and Unicode Input

2007-03-22 Thread Ben Burdette
I don't want to discourage you guys, I'm all for developing a motion recognition system. It would be cool for using with a speakerphone output to spell words when you don't want to look at the screen. Using gestures to navigate an audio based UI would be great for the blind too. But for

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Brad Pitcher
On 3/22/07, Edwin Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you say we don't want... you really mean YOU don't want... Correct. Thank you for the clarification. I'm all for using open source software (obviously since I am on the maillist and going to get the Neo). But I'm not going to

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Philippe De Swert
Hi, First of all I do not intend to flame you. So no hard feelings towards you. However there are some important points regarding flash that lots of people tend to ignore. The flash situation is interesting. I spend a large part of my time doing flash development, and the pervasiveness and

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Henryk Plötz
Moin, Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much less disruptively competitive than it might otherwise be. Developing apps with flash really allows for the creation of much more sophisticated software much

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread hank williams
On 3/22/07, Philippe De Swert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, First of all I do not intend to flame you. So no hard feelings towards you. However there are some important points regarding flash that lots of people tend to ignore. So you admit being one of those evil people that make websites

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread hank williams
On 3/22/07, Henryk Plötz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moin, Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much less disruptively competitive than it might otherwise be. Developing apps with flash really allows for the

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread esw
So this is exactly what Adobe wanted. They have a group of dedicated users like Hank who demand flash support. And they also hold all the marbles when it comes to bringing flash to a particular platform. Manufacturers such as Nokia are/feel forced to provide flash on their internet tablet, and

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2007.03.22, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am obviously not against open source, but this religious stuff is like the Taliban. Hank, I think you just invoked Godwin's Law 2.0. -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Philippe De Swert
Hi, First of all apologies for my webmail client who broke the threading. I am at home now where I do not need it, so hopefully this will be respected now. On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 13:28 -0400, hank williams wrote: So you admit being one of those evil people that make

Re: Flash Player 9 on OpenMoko?

2007-03-22 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 22 March 2007 17:33, hank williams wrote: On 3/22/07, Henryk Plötz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Moin, Am Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:31:03 -0400 schrieb hank williams: As I see it, not having a real version of flash makes openmoko much less disruptively competitive than it might

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Tim Newsom
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Thoughts? From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages many of the things related to authentication that we have been discussing. Now, if we can

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tim Newsom writes: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Thoughts? From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages many of the things related to authentication that we have been discussing.

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Tim Newsom
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:13, Tim Newsom wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Thoughts? From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages many of the things related to authentication

RE: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

2007-03-22 Thread Johan Prinsloo
This is interesting - even if you just want a smooth scroll action you still need to relate it somehow to machine time (bad approximation of real time) and some time constant. It might be most efficient to group all those functions into a library rather than have lots of apps each doing these

Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)

2007-03-22 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Tim Newsom writes: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:13, Tim Newsom wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:17, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Thoughts? From what I remember of the discussions so far, that seems to meet the majority of requirements for encrypted file storage and also manages many of the things related

Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

2007-03-22 Thread Ian Stirling
Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070321 22:58]: Andreas Kostyrka wrote: ...plus probably a system that would automatically upload/download moko-ness information. snip This way all mokos could keep in touch, and people that switch phones more often would be able to

Re: UI long term development perspective: physics engine

2007-03-22 Thread Florent THIERY
This is interesting - even if you just want a smooth scroll action you still need to relate it somehow to machine time (bad approximation of real time) and some time constant. It might be most efficient to group all those functions into a library rather than have lots of apps each doing these

yet another small wifi chip to consider (NXP)

2007-03-22 Thread Steve Bibayoff
Hello, Just to throw more info into the fire: NXP readies ultra small 802.11b/g package http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=198100726 NXP Semiconductors is about to start sampling a single-package 81-pin TFBGA Wi-Fi chip that it says is the smallest device yet for

OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

2007-03-22 Thread ---
Hi all, I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i dont know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does some one knows it? My plan is to develop something on text inputhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Text_Inputi already have some base ideas and

Re: Gestures and Unicode Input

2007-03-22 Thread Gilles Casse
Ben Burdette wrote: I don't want to discourage you guys, I'm all for developing a motion recognition system. It would be cool for using with a speakerphone output to spell words when you don't want to look at the screen. Using gestures to navigate an audio based UI would be great for the

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

2007-03-22 Thread Steve Bibayoff
Hello, On 3/22/07, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i dont know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does some one knows it? Have you seen this pages yet?: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

2007-03-22 Thread Jon Phillips
On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 19:30 -0200, --- wrote: Hi all, I'm interested to do a projet for OpenMoko and submit it to SOC, but i dont know who is the person that i have to talk at OpenMoko... Does some one knows it? My plan is to develop something on text input i already have some base ideas

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

2007-03-22 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Jon Phillips wrote: Heya Mickey, on the official openmoko side, how many students is openmoko shooting for and how many qualified mentors are there? Not that I have an official in at google, I'm just curious? Right now we are 4 mentors and we aim for 8 projects, provided a) we get so many

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

2007-03-22 Thread Jonathon Suggs
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Jon Phillips wrote: Heya Mickey, on the official openmoko side, how many students is openmoko shooting for and how many qualified mentors are there? Not that I have an official in at google, I'm just curious? Right now we are 4 mentors and we aim for 8

Re: Gestures and Unicode Input

2007-03-22 Thread Alexander E Genaud
[Gestures and Unicode Input] Ben Burdette wrote: But for password entry it seems very insecure. I mean, wouldn't entering a password with gestures be like sending secret messages with signal flags? Anyone who knows the system could just read what you were entering. Gilles Casse wrote:

Re: OpenMoko - SoC--- is there a mentor?

2007-03-22 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Just curious, but what are the qualification for being a mentor? Are they going to be official FIC/OpenMoko employees or phase-0 devs or whoever volunteers? In principle anyone who volunteers, however it should be a seasoned developer familiar with both the technical side (i.e. I expect that

Wifi for OpenMoko - NXP BGM220 just announced

2007-03-22 Thread John Clark
Dear OpenMoko developers, I'm new to this list, but have been watching OpenMoko developments with great interest. I think the OpenMoko platform (and hardware) is the best thing to ever hit the phone market. I noticed your call for people to suggest Wifi chipsets that may be suitable for the

Re: Compressed SMS (and other text messages)

2007-03-22 Thread Jeff Andros
On 3/22/07, Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070321 22:58]: Andreas Kostyrka wrote: snip My challenge is just to think bigger. Think how this could be incorporated to work with *any* phone. Then you can have a much larger