Re: dead battery
Am Donnerstag, den 02.10.2008, 12:28 -0600 schrieb Angus Ainslie: On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? See /etc/freesmartphone/rules.yaml to tweak the LED set up in the fso-image. Right now it`s: Power: Off while discharging, Red while charging, Blue when full, Red blinking, when critical. Soon: Aux: Blinking on missed event (call, sms, alarm). :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Sarton O'Brien a écrit : The 'leave it overnight' scenario is the best one I encounter for a dead battery ;) ... I think you'll be right. Sarton A good one is : - Hold down the aux key. - Put battery in. - Put usb in. - Hold down the power key. - Release aux key. - Wait for menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 2008.10.01.13.05, Vince M. Clark wrote: | I've tried multiple times with no success. How about removing all SD and SIM cards, does that help? --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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OK now you guys are just messing with me ;-) Nothing is working. I've taken everything out, tried all different combinations based on suggestions from the community. I'm sure at this point I have a totally dead battery and old u-boot. I'll get it jump started and update u-boot. - Original Message - From: Xavier Cremaschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 2:14:07 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Sarton O'Brien a écrit : The 'leave it overnight' scenario is the best one I encounter for a dead battery ;) ... I think you'll be right. Sarton A good one is : - Hold down the aux key. - Put battery in. - Put usb in. - Hold down the power key. - Release aux key. - Wait for menu. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? - Original Message - From: Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 7:27:59 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On 2008.10.01.13.05, Vince M. Clark wrote: | I've tried multiple times with no success. How about removing all SD and SIM cards, does that help? --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. The power button is the round one. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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No it is definitely the power button (the round one below the usb plug) staying lit red. I'm running the FSO image. - Original Message - From: Angus Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:19 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. The power button is the round one. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Vince M. Clark wrote: No it is definitely the power button (the round one below the usb plug) staying lit red. I'm running the FSO image. - Original Message - From: Angus Ainslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2008 12:28:19 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran down to Batteries Plus and picked up a Rayovac replacement that fits. It doesn't come charged but has enough charge to at least jump start my fr. I put in the new battery, plugged in the usb cable, and was able to boot. Then I took out the Rayovac battery and put the original battery back in. Device stayed running and I am hoping the battery is charging. The power button is staying illuminated and is red. Any idea what that means? I think you mean the AUX button is staying lit. That means its charging. The power button is the round one. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community If you're running FSO the Power button turns orange while charging where in ASU the AUX button lights while charging. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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These are my understandings from lots of reading and previous posts between myself and Andy Green and others on the subject - should all be in the archives. With 2007.2 I was hit one out of every 3 overnight suspends ending in a flat battery. At least with 2008.9 its rarer (but does happen :( With the later u-boots, usb default is 100ma as soon as its plugged in. This unfortunately is less than a running Fr needs. Normally as soon as the operating system is up enough, it will negotiate up to 500ma with the host, or in the case of the wall charger, read the sense resistor and see that 1A is available. When the OS is suspended, the PMU manages the charge until the battery is charged whereupon it switches off - and stays off. If the OS is running, it will cycle back on when the battery level falls to 10-20% (reports vary) as the OS can reset and renegotiate the charge level. If the battery is very low (i.e., the internal fail-safe disconnects it), remove it from the phone for 30 seconds or so. This allows the fail-safe to reset (this is what I think happens based on my observations) so the 100ma can get to the battery, and also reset the phone hardware - in particular the GSM modem which is directly connected to the battery and is thought to be root cause by Andy Green - possibly goes into a wierd state as power drops as well, preventing restart until reset. The power rail of course drops due to the inrush current much more during startup with a low battery than normal, causing one chip (USB I think) to detect a dangerously low voltage and issue a shutdown. So you cant get the phone to boot until the battery has had a few minutes of charge. In my case, USB to my laptop or a desktop machine does it. Remove/pause/replace battery plug into USB for 5-10 minutes remove/pause/replug USB cable and normal boot will happen within a few seconds. The wall charger should work as well, but on my one try it didnt - possibly because the u-boot wasnt new enough at the time. Recommendation - use a late (latest!) u-boot. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 22:13 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Well, I'm out of options. I left my fr plugged into the trickle charger overnight. Still won't boot. Then I read this last post, about removing the battery long enough for a reset, plugging into USB for 5-10 min, unplug/pause/plug back in. Still won't boot. The only thing I haven't done that was recommended in this last post is to use the latest u-boot. Unfortunately I cannot do this until I get it to boot. Guess I will wait for my external charger to arrive. Should I be concerned that this isn't just a battery issue and maybe my fr is dead? - Original Message - From: William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 12:01:52 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery These are my understandings from lots of reading and previous posts between myself and Andy Green and others on the subject - should all be in the archives. With 2007.2 I was hit one out of every 3 overnight suspends ending in a flat battery. At least with 2008.9 its rarer (but does happen :( With the later u-boots, usb default is 100ma as soon as its plugged in. This unfortunately is less than a running Fr needs. Normally as soon as the operating system is up enough, it will negotiate up to 500ma with the host, or in the case of the wall charger, read the sense resistor and see that 1A is available. When the OS is suspended, the PMU manages the charge until the battery is charged whereupon it switches off - and stays off. If the OS is running, it will cycle back on when the battery level falls to 10-20% (reports vary) as the OS can reset and renegotiate the charge level. If the battery is very low (i.e., the internal fail-safe disconnects it), remove it from the phone for 30 seconds or so. This allows the fail-safe to reset (this is what I think happens based on my observations) so the 100ma can get to the battery, and also reset the phone hardware - in particular the GSM modem which is directly connected to the battery and is thought to be root cause by Andy Green - possibly goes into a wierd state as power drops as well, preventing restart until reset. The power rail of course drops due to the inrush current much more during startup with a low battery than normal, causing one chip (USB I think) to detect a dangerously low voltage and issue a shutdown. So you cant get the phone to boot until the battery has had a few minutes of charge. In my case, USB to my laptop or a desktop machine does it. Remove/pause/replace battery plug into USB for 5-10 minutes remove/pause/replug USB cable and normal boot will happen within a few seconds. The wall charger should work as well, but on my one try it didnt - possibly because the u-boot wasnt new enough at the time. Recommendation - use a late (latest!) u-boot. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 22:13 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
try again and it will eventually workthe usb cable connected to the computer is usually the way to go...and when it boots, quickly swap it to the ac charger...at least that's what i just did (my neo died during the night) Vince M. Clark escribió: Well, I'm out of options. I left my fr plugged into the trickle charger overnight. Still won't boot. Then I read this last post, about removing the battery long enough for a reset, plugging into USB for 5-10 min, unplug/pause/plug back in. Still won't boot. The only thing I haven't done that was recommended in this last post is to use the latest u-boot. Unfortunately I cannot do this until I get it to boot. Guess I will wait for my external charger to arrive. Should I be concerned that this isn't just a battery issue and maybe my fr is dead? - Original Message - From: William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 12:01:52 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery These are my understandings from lots of reading and previous posts between myself and Andy Green and others on the subject - should all be in the archives. With 2007.2 I was hit one out of every 3 overnight suspends ending in a flat battery. At least with 2008.9 its rarer (but does happen :( With the later u-boots, usb default is 100ma as soon as its plugged in. This unfortunately is less than a running Fr needs. Normally as soon as the operating system is up enough, it will negotiate up to 500ma with the host, or in the case of the wall charger, read the sense resistor and see that 1A is available. When the OS is suspended, the PMU manages the charge until the battery is charged whereupon it switches off - and stays off. If the OS is running, it will cycle back on when the battery level falls to 10-20% (reports vary) as the OS can reset and renegotiate the charge level. If the battery is very low (i.e., the internal fail-safe disconnects it), remove it from the phone for 30 seconds or so. This allows the fail-safe to reset (this is what I think happens based on my observations) so the 100ma can get to the battery, and also reset the phone hardware - in particular the GSM modem which is directly connected to the battery and is thought to be root cause by Andy Green - possibly goes into a wierd state as power drops as well, preventing restart until reset. The power rail of course drops due to the inrush current much more during startup with a low battery than normal, causing one chip (USB I think) to detect a dangerously low voltage and issue a shutdown. So you cant get the phone to boot until the battery has had a few minutes of charge. In my case, USB to my laptop or a desktop machine does it. Remove/pause/replace battery plug into USB for 5-10 minutes remove/pause/replug USB cable and normal boot will happen within a few seconds. The wall charger should work as well, but on my one try it didnt - possibly because the u-boot wasnt new enough at the time. Recommendation - use a late (latest!) u-boot. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 22:13 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I've tried multiple times with no success. - Original Message - From: Tomas Riveros Schober [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 8:26:57 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery try again and it will eventually workthe usb cable connected to the computer is usually the way to go...and when it boots, quickly swap it to the ac charger...at least that's what i just did (my neo died during the night) Vince M. Clark escribió: Well, I'm out of options. I left my fr plugged into the trickle charger overnight. Still won't boot. Then I read this last post, about removing the battery long enough for a reset, plugging into USB for 5-10 min, unplug/pause/plug back in. Still won't boot. The only thing I haven't done that was recommended in this last post is to use the latest u-boot. Unfortunately I cannot do this until I get it to boot. Guess I will wait for my external charger to arrive. Should I be concerned that this isn't just a battery issue and maybe my fr is dead? - Original Message - From: William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 12:01:52 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery These are my understandings from lots of reading and previous posts between myself and Andy Green and others on the subject - should all be in the archives. With 2007.2 I was hit one out of every 3 overnight suspends ending in a flat battery. At least with 2008.9 its rarer (but does happen :( With the later u-boots, usb default is 100ma as soon as its plugged in. This unfortunately is less than a running Fr needs. Normally as soon as the operating system is up enough, it will negotiate up to 500ma with the host, or in the case of the wall charger, read the sense resistor and see that 1A is available. When the OS is suspended, the PMU manages the charge until the battery is charged whereupon it switches off - and stays off. If the OS is running, it will cycle back on when the battery level falls to 10-20% (reports vary) as the OS can reset and renegotiate the charge level. If the battery is very low (i.e., the internal fail-safe disconnects it), remove it from the phone for 30 seconds or so. This allows the fail-safe to reset (this is what I think happens based on my observations) so the 100ma can get to the battery, and also reset the phone hardware - in particular the GSM modem which is directly connected to the battery and is thought to be root cause by Andy Green - possibly goes into a wierd state as power drops as well, preventing restart until reset. The power rail of course drops due to the inrush current much more during startup with a low battery than normal, causing one chip (USB I think) to detect a dangerously low voltage and issue a shutdown. So you cant get the phone to boot until the battery has had a few minutes of charge. In my case, USB to my laptop or a desktop machine does it. Remove/pause/replace battery plug into USB for 5-10 minutes remove/pause/replug USB cable and normal boot will happen within a few seconds. The wall charger should work as well, but on my one try it didnt - possibly because the u-boot wasnt new enough at the time. Recommendation - use a late (latest!) u-boot. BillK On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 22:13 -0700, Michael Shiloh wrote: Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark a écrit : My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. I usually just take out the battery and try to start it with the charger plugged in (never tried with the USB). A combination of - letting it without power for 30 seconds (no battery and no charger) - switching it on with: Press AUX - Press Powerbutton - Release AUX - Release Powerbutton using various timings - putting back in the battery anyway usually does the trick. As this sounds a bit like black magick, I'm sure there is somewhere a proper explanation and a scientific way to do it... Until that I stick to that what I know. Let there be light ;) Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wednesday 01 October 2008, Vince M. Clark wrote: I've tried multiple times with no success. If the various 'leave it charging' methods don't work then your best bet is the nokia battery or charger for nokia battery. Stick the charged nokia battery in the freerunner, plug in the usb lead or power adapter, and boot. Once it has booted remove the nokia battery and put in the original one that's dead. This will now start charging as normal. You can also connect up more or less any other single cell Li-Ion battery or suitable external PSU to do the initial boot, then remove and plug in the dead battery. If you think this method needs more detailed instructions you shouldn't be attempting it ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 08:16 -0600, Vince M. Clark wrote: Well, I'm out of options. I left my fr plugged into the trickle charger overnight. Still won't boot. Can you jump start it as per the wiki? Borrow (friend/partners/... phone) a nokia bl4c, bl5c or bl6c battery? Boot the FR using this. Once up you can safely remove the battery while still connected and replace it with yours which should happily charge. The PMU will have negotiated 500ma so the phone will stay up. I have not actually heard of a dead FR without prior cause (dropped etc) and the symptoms fit with an over-discharged battery and early u-boot so I doubt its actually dead. BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. The most readily-accessible source is likely to be a friend with a Nokia phone using one of those batteries - several models over the past six or eight years. (mine is a 6600) If you know anyone with a nokia phone (now or the past several years) it's worth asking them what battery it uses, if they have a desktop charger, and if you can borrow it. (or keep it - if they're not using the phone ask for the charger and battery ;) j On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Joel Newkirk wrote: A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. Very useful to know, thank you. I am anxiously waiting for my FR to arrive. I wonder about something: does a FR come with charged batteries?? One would expect so, otherwise it can never be started/used. Am I correct in this? Paul -- If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay home. -James Michener http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Thanks Joel. I'll go digging thru my box of old phones. I know there are a couple of Nokias in there. - Original Message - From: Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:25:36 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. The most readily-accessible source is likely to be a friend with a Nokia phone using one of those batteries - several models over the past six or eight years. (mine is a 6600) If you know anyone with a nokia phone (now or the past several years) it's worth asking them what battery it uses, if they have a desktop charger, and if you can borrow it. (or keep it - if they're not using the phone ask for the charger and battery ;) j On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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One more question. Maybe it will be obvious once I get my hands on a charger, but how do you actually connect the battery? Will it fit in an old Nokia phone? Or do you somehow connect the battery directly to the charger? - Original Message - From: Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:25:36 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. The most readily-accessible source is likely to be a friend with a Nokia phone using one of those batteries - several models over the past six or eight years. (mine is a 6600) If you know anyone with a nokia phone (now or the past several years) it's worth asking them what battery it uses, if they have a desktop charger, and if you can borrow it. (or keep it - if they're not using the phone ask for the charger and battery ;) j On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
well whenever im hit with a dead battery i just plug the freerunner to the computer's usb port and let it sit for a few minutes then turn it on to NOR...or NAND whichever one works first Paul escribió: Joel Newkirk wrote: A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. Very useful to know, thank you. I am anxiously waiting for my FR to arrive. I wonder about something: does a FR come with charged batteries?? One would expect so, otherwise it can never be started/used. Am I correct in this? Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:32:26 +0200 Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] (P) wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. Very useful to know, thank you. I am anxiously waiting for my FR to arrive. I wonder about something: does a FR come with charged batteries?? One would expect so, otherwise it can never be started/used. Am I correct in this? yes. i got fr plus the spares kit (two extra batteries (very handy btw)) and all came charged up. -- Petr Vaněk http://biodynamika.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: well whenever im hit with a dead battery i just plug the freerunner to the computer's usb port and let it sit for a few minutes then turn it on to NOR...or NAND whichever one works first Well, that is a very simple solution. :-) Thank you! Paul -- If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay home. -James Michener http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
I've tried that, as well as the wall charger. The battery is totally dead and my fr will not boot, regardless of how long I leave it plugged in. - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:52:02 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: well whenever im hit with a dead battery i just plug the freerunner to the computer's usb port and let it sit for a few minutes then turn it on to NOR...or NAND whichever one works first Well, that is a very simple solution. :-) Thank you! Paul -- If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay home. -James Michener http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:35:56 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more question. Maybe it will be obvious once I get my hands on a charger, but how do you actually connect the battery? Will it fit in an old Nokia phone? Or do you somehow connect the battery directly to the charger? The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone. The battery will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge it, since it won't recognize it. j - Original Message - From: Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:25:36 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery A desktop charger for a Nokia BL-5c or BL-6c battery will do the job, at least the two non-Nokia ones I've tried. I've done it a few times. I've never let it sit on the charger until full, so I don't know if the charger can recognize full charge on the FreeRunner battery or not, but left on the charger for 15-20 minutes it will boot the FreeRunner. The most readily-accessible source is likely to be a friend with a Nokia phone using one of those batteries - several models over the past six or eight years. (mine is a 6600) If you know anyone with a nokia phone (now or the past several years) it's worth asking them what battery it uses, if they have a desktop charger, and if you can borrow it. (or keep it - if they're not using the phone ask for the charger and battery ;) j On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT), Vince M. Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
The battery usually lays in just like it does in the phone. The battery will fit into the Nokia, but I'd be surprised if the Nokia agreed to charge it, since it won't recognize it. Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly right. My understanding is this: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Michael Thanks for this helpfully complete characterization. Do you happen to know if a Nokia battery (such as the BL-5c) will charge in the FreeRunner? Thanks, Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 05:52:38 Vince M. Clark wrote: I've tried that, as well as the wall charger. The battery is totally dead and my fr will not boot, regardless of how long I leave it plugged in. 6 - 8 hours on the wall charger is not unusual for my dead battery to start to function. How long have you left it? Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Not that long on the wall charger. I'll leave it overnight and see what happens. I have left in on the USB charger for a few hours with no luck. - Original Message - From: Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:27:57 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Wednesday 01 October 2008 05:52:38 Vince M. Clark wrote: I've tried that, as well as the wall charger. The battery is totally dead and my fr will not boot, regardless of how long I leave it plugged in. 6 - 8 hours on the wall charger is not unusual for my dead battery to start to function. How long have you left it? Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Yes. I have my fr plugged into the OpenMoko wall charger. Then I try NOR boot but nothing happens. I have tried NOR boot plugged in and not plugged in. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:37:22 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:31:22 Vince M. Clark wrote: Not that long on the wall charger. I'll leave it overnight and see what happens. I have left in on the USB charger for a few hours with no luck. The 'leave it overnight' scenario is the best one I encounter for a dead battery ;) ... I think you'll be right. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: Yes. I have my fr plugged into the OpenMoko wall charger. Then I try NOR boot but nothing happens. I have tried NOR boot plugged in and not plugged in. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:37:22 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:31:17 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: My battery is completely drained so I cannot boot to charge it. The following thread offered three possible solutions: http://n2.nabble.com/Can%27t-boot-Freerunner-without-battery---Was:-Re:-unable-to-start-up-freerunner-after-batterie-was-full-down-td526783.html Does anyone know where I can get an external charger that will work with the Freerunner battery? Vince Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] (303) 493-6723 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:37:22 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Vince M. Clark wrote: Thanks Shawn. I have tried NOR boot (holding aux button while pressing power button, then releasing aux button.) I cannot even get that far. I'm going to leave it plugged into the wall charger overnight and see what happens. In the meantime i ordered an after market Nokia battery charger. They are cheap but it looks like it may take a week or so to get it. Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, start NOR twice, viola. Not to be a killjoy but I think there may be varied levels of 'dead'. I've had a similar situation but it's not always he case. When you can't get anything to happen, the only solution is to plug it in and go to bed (assuming you have no other options at hand). Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community What I had meant is that I hope they find away to allow 1000mA charging while powered off so that you don't have to let it tricle charge for the entire night to power it on at only partial power. Of all the phones I've owned none of them had this problem and it's probably the most annoying problem I can think of with the OpenMoko. Lucikly for me I'm the type to plug in my phone daily so it isn't a problem but I could see it becoming one in the future when more and more people start using the OpenMoko products. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
As long as it eventually comes back on I'm fine. I didn't realize that the wall charger would eventually get enough charge in the battery to boot it. My impression from the other thread was that once the battery was dead you were screwed without an external charger or extra battery. - Original Message - From: Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:52:32 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince M. Clark wrote: As long as it eventually comes back on I'm fine. I didn't realize that the wall charger would eventually get enough charge in the battery to boot it. My impression from the other thread was that once the battery was dead you were screwed without an external charger or extra battery. - Original Message - From: Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:52:32 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Nope, don't need the external, but if it is flat dead to where NOR won't start you'll be a few hours (charges at 50mA IIRC) before you can even try again. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Got it. Thanks. - Original Message - From: Shawn \prjktdtnt\ Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:58:57 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery Vince M. Clark wrote: As long as it eventually comes back on I'm fine. I didn't realize that the wall charger would eventually get enough charge in the battery to boot it. My impression from the other thread was that once the battery was dead you were screwed without an external charger or extra battery. - Original Message - From: Sarton O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:52:32 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: dead battery On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:45:08 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Odd. Sadly that is the only way I was able to get mine going again, would be nice to see a patch that corrects the issue somehow so that people don't have to use workarounds in the future. -Shawn I don't think it is as complicated as that. I think it's merely the amount of charge the FR is able to negotiate when powered off. Depending on the level of 'dead' determines how long you need to trickle charge it before anything useful occurs. I'd say battery maintenance and usage patterns may contribute also. From what I have seen on this list, I don't think this situation will change in a hurry, if ever. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Nope, don't need the external, but if it is flat dead to where NOR won't start you'll be a few hours (charges at 50mA IIRC) before you can even try again. -Shawn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 09:56:00 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: What I had meant is that I hope they find away to allow 1000mA charging while powered off so that you don't have to let it tricle charge for the entire night to power it on at only partial power. Of all the phones I've owned none of them had this problem and it's probably the most annoying problem I can think of with the OpenMoko. Lucikly for me I'm the type to plug in my phone daily so it isn't a problem but I could see it becoming one in the future when more and more people start using the OpenMoko products Yes, I understand. I got the impression it was a design flaw and not something that could be addressed, that's all. I could be completely wrong though. Maybe the phone can go into some kind of holding pattern when close to flat or something, to mitigate the effect. If it's something a u-boot update can fix then that would awesome ... but I'm not holding my breath. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On Wednesday 01 October 2008 10:20:59 Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: Yes, I understand. I got the impression it was a design flaw and not something that could be addressed, that's all. I could be completely wrong though. Maybe the phone can go into some kind of holding pattern when close to flat or something, to mitigate the effect. If it's something a u-boot update can fix then that would awesome ... but I'm not holding my breath. Sarton That is how I understood it too but that is something that if they're unable to address on 1973/FreeRunner they need to address before GTA03, IMO Of course ... unless there's an 'intentional commercial suicide' department within openmoko ;) Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
On 2008.09.30.16.37, Shawn prjktdtnt Thompson wrote: | When trying to get into NOR do you already have it plugged into your | charger? That is how I was able to finally get mine to boot, you only | need the actual OpenMoko charger until it starts up then you can use | whatever USB charger you prefer. Just plug into wall-socket and phone, | start NOR twice, viola. | | -Shawn As an added tip -- when I ran my battery dry I couldn't get it to boot. I took out the sim and SD card and it booted (with NOR) instantly while plugged in with the wall charger. --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charging a Neo battery in a Nokia charger or phone (was: Re: dead battery)
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nokia devices (phones and stand-alone chargers) will not charge non-Nokia batteries, most likely because they can't be sure they have the correct charging parameters. Most after-market or no-name brands of Nokia-compatible chargers don't test the make of the battery, most likely because adding the capability to perform this test would add to the cost of the charger. Thus: * You can use a Nokia or Nokia-compatible BL-4C, BL-5C, or BL-6C in the Neo * You can charge the Neo battery in a Nokia-compatible charger that is not Nokia branded * You can NOT charge the Neo battery in a Nokia branded phone or charger Added to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Battery#USB_charger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: dead battery
Vince, When my battery died I plugged my phone into the OpenMoko supplied charger, started it using NOR boot, leaving it at the boot menu until it timed out (repeat that twice) then I was about to select boot from the NOR menu and after a few extra seconds the phone booted. -Shawn I'm confused. I thought that we didn't turn on the charger until we booted into Linux. Am I wrong? Do we charge in u-boot, even at a low rate? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
