Re: *Not* moving to Google Groups?

[Joshua Coombs]

I offer a third option, for those that prefer UseNet, news.gmane.org 
provides a UseNet to listserv gateway that works REALLY well.  Usenet 
people can use it, web junkies the gmail web interface, and listserv 
fans can use email.  We all win, and we're all on the same list.  Why 
splinter the group if we don't have to?


- Original Message - 
From: "Anthony Moss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Compact Macs" 
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 17:19
Subject: *Not* moving to Google Groups?



If anyone is interested in creating an alternative on
Usenet to the new 680x0-Macs list on Google Groups,
e-mail me off the list.


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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Antonio Rodríguez]

I subscribed to the new list in my second mail account by sending a 
blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and go the 
exact same message instead of a subscription confirmation. But I just 
waited, and now I'm receiving messages. It looks just like an (anoying) 
bug in Google Groups.


Greetings,

Antonio Rodríguez (Grichan)


Doug McNutt escribió:

Thank you!  That's what I thought I needed but:

At 20:05 + 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],
We recently received a request from you to subscribe to the group Vintage Macs.
We know you are excited about this group, but it looks like you are already
subscribed to it.

If you have questions related to this or any other Google group, please visit
the Help Center at http://groups.google.com/support.

The Google Groups Team


Now I truly am confused. Was I automatically subscribed during the change over? 
If so why the excitement about re-subscribing from Dan Knight?


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*Not* moving to Google Groups?

[Anthony Moss]

If anyone is interested in creating an alternative on 
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e-mail me off the list.


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Moving to Google Groups

[Dan Knight]

After reading discussion over the weekend, let me clarify a few things.

Google Groups functions as an email group, so the format of posting and 
receiving messages can be exactly the same as you're used to. In 
addition, you can read, search, and reply to messages online, something 
you couldn't do with our old email system.

Nobody is required to use Google/Gmail to join the list. You can use 
any email address. And better yet, you can now control your own 
subscription - single message mode, digest, even set it to "no email" 
when you go on vacation. Or you could just read online if you prefer.

Some people are having problems posting via email, just as has been the 
case with Maclaunch. Your email address has to match the subscribed one 
- most list servers won't see [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] as 
the same thing. If you have trouble posting, check the headers to see 
how your From: and Reply-to: are configured.

There have been some objections to Google based on their willingness to 
provide a restricted search engine in China (among other countries) and 
abide by national laws rather than opt out of the Chinese market. If 
you want to boycott Google, consider that Apple Computer, General 
Motors, and most international businesses also elect to work within the 
constraints of Chinese law so they can reach the Chinese market and/or 
use Chinese labor.

Neither Google nor the Chinese government puts any restrictions on the 
political views of participants of our email lists. We chose Google 
Groups because the provide a much more flexible service with greater 
user control than any of the mail list software we've run across.

Further, politics is explicity listed as an area not to be debated on 
our lists, along with religion and Windows advocacy. We are building 
helpful Mac communities, so we try to avoid divisive issues.

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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Nat Hall]

On Sunday, January 29, 2006, at 12:22  PM, Doug McNutt wrote:

At 19:40 + 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're writing to let you know that the group that you tried to contact
(compact.macs) doesn't exist.

At 20:05 + 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

(compact-macs) doesn't exist.


I just wait around a while unless someone has a proper spelling for 
compact?macs-subscribe.


It appears that I have avoided reading and signing that long 
disclaimer in the tiny window from the Google site. Perhaps I can get 
away with communication <-> China.




There is no "compact macs" list any longer.

Now there is only one list: vintage-macs.  This combined the Compact 
Mac (this list), Vintage Mac, and Quadlist from Maclaunch into one 
unified list.


You want "vintage-macs-subscribe", but it looks like you've already 
done that.


-Nat


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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Doug McNutt]

At 20:23 -0800 1/28/06, Matthew S. Carpenter wrote:
>You can subscribe your current e-mail address to the list without even going 
>in a browser.  Just send a blank e-mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thank you!  That's what I thought I needed but:

At 20:05 + 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>We recently received a request from you to subscribe to the group Vintage Macs.
>We know you are excited about this group, but it looks like you are already
>subscribed to it.
>
>If you have questions related to this or any other Google group, please visit
>the Help Center at http://groups.google.com/support.
>
>The Google Groups Team

Now I truly am confused. Was I automatically subscribed during the change over? 
If so why the excitement about re-subscribing from Dan Knight?

At 19:40 + 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>We're writing to let you know that the group that you tried to contact
>(compact.macs) doesn't exist.
At 20:05 + 1/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>(compact-macs) doesn't exist.

I just wait around a while unless someone has a proper spelling for 
compact?macs-subscribe.

It appears that I have avoided reading and signing that long disclaimer in the 
tiny window from the Google site. Perhaps I can get away with communication <-> 
China.

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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Matthew S. Carpenter]

Peter da Silva wrote:

Any one have detailed instructions ready to read? I'm not sure I want 
my coordinates on a Google account while I may still need a security 
clearance.



What's the difference between a google account and all the other 
places you've registered, like this list?



You can subscribe your current e-mail address to the list without even 
going in a browser.  Just send a blank e-mail to 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


-Matt

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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Peter da Silva]

Any one have detailed instructions ready to read? I'm not sure I want 
my coordinates on a Google account while I may still need a security 
clearance.


What's the difference between a google account and all the other places 
you've registered, like this list?



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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Doug McNutt]

At 18:59 -0800 1/28/06, Nat Hall wrote:
>Perhaps you aren't doing something correctly.  *any* valid e-mail address 
>should work.

It wants me to create a basic Google account with email, real name, and 
password. After that it might allow a different email address for the list.

Is it possible to use email to a list manager address to get started?

Is it browser sensitive? I'm using iCab on OS 9.1.

Any one have detailed instructions ready to read? I'm not sure I want my 
coordinates on a Google account while I may still need a security clearance.

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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Nat Hall]

On Saturday, January 28, 2006, at 04:34  PM, Mark wrote:


Do i have to use a google account to stay subscribed?


No.


It will not just let me sub my yahoo.com address.




Why not?

It let me subscribe using this verizon.net address.

Perhaps you aren't doing something correctly.  *any* valid e-mail 
address should work.


-Nat


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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Mark]

Do i have to use a google account to stay subscribed?
It will not just let me sub my yahoo.com address.



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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Brian McEwen]

On Jan 28, 2006, at 3:26 AM, Stuart Bell wrote:



It's no doubt possible, but keeping a 68K Mac up and running 24/7  
is quite a responsibility!


I had an SE/30 up for years as an ftpd, though.

The other real issue is listserv software- mail is not the kindler  
gentler internet world it used to be, and software for the old  
listserv solutions is unlikely to be secure enough for use today.   
Not in terms of "hacking root" on a box without root :) but in terms  
of vulnerability in the mail protocol as regards spam.


B




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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Stuart Bell]

On 28 Jan 2006, at 00:06, Thomas wrote:


If there is so little traffic, couldn't someone setup a 68k machine to
handle this list?  It'd be cool to have a mailing list handled by a
68k that would also handle the archive in 68k friendly HTML.  Is this
possible?


It's no doubt possible, but keeping a 68K Mac up and running 24/7 is 
quite a responsibility!


Stuart


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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Thomas]

If there is so little traffic, couldn't someone setup a 68k machine to
handle this list?  It'd be cool to have a mailing list handled by a
68k that would also handle the archive in 68k friendly HTML.  Is this
possible?

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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Stuart Bell]

On 27 Jan 2006, at 21:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey, Dan, the link above appears to be leftover from the message 
you sent to

the vintage-macs list.


Dan's idea is that there should be one unite list for 68xxx users

Stuart


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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Stuart Bell]

On 27 Jan 2006, at 22:48, Chris Riedl wrote:

   Out of curiosity, how much traffic do those other lists receive?  I 
have been on this list for a while, but sometimes adding more traffic 
will chase away some of the more casual subscribers who just don't 
feel like sorting through the extra information.


Pass.  Sorry.

If we get too much, we could suggest re-division. But I suspect that 
traffic is a fraction of what it was a couple of years ago.


Stuart


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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[Chris Riedl]

   Out of curiosity, how much traffic do those other lists receive?  I have 
been on this list for a while, but sometimes adding more traffic will chase 
away some of the more casual subscribers who just don't feel like sorting 
through the extra information.


-Chris
- Original Message - 
From: "Stuart Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Compact Macs" 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Moving to Google Groups




On 27 Jan 2006, at 21:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey, Dan, the link above appears to be leftover from the message you 
sent to

the vintage-macs list.


Dan's idea is that there should be one unite list for 68xxx users

Stuart


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Re: Moving to Google Groups

[willi]

Hi, y'all!

Quoting Dan Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Fans of 680x0 Macs, we've successfully launched our first two email
> lists using Google Groups - one for Macintel models and one for the Mac
> mini.
> As of this afternoon, we've turned off our three "Maclone" lists, which
> have also transitioned to Google Groups.
> Advantages: You can browse messages online, where they are threaded.
> You can manage your subscription yourself. Lots more room for the
> archive. And Google Groups doesn't automatically include your email
> address in your postings.
> Today we begin moving Compact Macs, Vintage Macs, and Quadlist to
> Google Groups. Google Groups will not replace the current lists until
> early next week, but I wanted to give everyone a chance to subscribe.
> To join the list and set your mode (single messages, digest, etc.),
> point your browser to http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs

Hey, Dan, the link above appears to be leftover from the message you sent to
the vintage-macs list.

Willi


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Moving to Google Groups

[Dan Knight]

Fans of 680x0 Macs, we've successfully launched our first two email 
lists using Google Groups - one for Macintel models and one for the Mac 
mini.

As of this afternoon, we've turned off our three "Maclone" lists, which 
have also transitioned to Google Groups.

Advantages: You can browse messages online, where they are threaded. 
You can manage your subscription yourself. Lots more room for the 
archive. And Google Groups doesn't automatically include your email 
address in your postings.

Today we begin moving Compact Macs, Vintage Macs, and Quadlist to 
Google Groups. Google Groups will not replace the current lists until 
early next week, but I wanted to give everyone a chance to subscribe.

To join the list and set your mode (single messages, digest, etc.), 
point your browser to http://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs

When the list goes live, [EMAIL PROTECTED] will be the 
posting address. I'm updating the Vintage Macs List FAQ to reflect 
these changes.

I look forward to seeing most of you there next week.

Dan Knight, listmom

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