[computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread compgo123
?I got excited about the free software sometime ago and bought a copy of Susie Linux. But the?installation always hang up at some point and can never complete. I had to kiss my $20 goodbye and so much for the Linux. Recently my?job involves embedded Linux. For whatever reason we used the Fedora

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread Álvaro Begué
Get ubuntu (http://www.ubuntu.com/). You can ask them to send you a free CD. And you should consider getting a decent Internet connection. Álvaro. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got excited about the free software sometime ago and bought a copy of Susie Linux.

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread terry mcintyre
You can buy CDs from places like osdisc.com for a few dollars; it's not extravagant. Not being able to burn an iso is one of the defects of Windoze; Linux/OS X/Free BSD systems include that capability at no extra charge. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ?I got excited about the free software

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread Jason House
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got excited about the free software sometime ago and bought a copy of Susie Linux. But the installation always hang up at some point and can never complete. I too have had some horrible linux installation nightmares. Most of that

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
I'll second both the original poster (his troubles with Linux mirrored mine) and the reply (I was completely enthralled with Ubuntu...WOW!). Jim - Original Message From: Álvaro Begué [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 10:18:11

RE: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread David Fotland
Does Linux have a decent development environment yet? After using Visual studio, it would be a horrible loss of productivity to go back to vi/make/gdb. Of course the linux command line tools are great when you want them, but they are available on Windows through cygwin, so by developing on

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Andy
Remi, you mentioned how the other algorithms predicted well and guessed that it's because the great majority of games are between experienced players whose strength is not changing much. I also feel that the existing KGS ratings work well for those players already. So how about focusing on how

RE: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread Ray Tayek
At 09:11 AM 4/9/2008, you wrote: ... Does Linux have a decent development environment yet? After using Visual studio, it would be a horrible loss of productivity to go back to vi/make/gdb. .. eclipse has the cdt http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/ and there are some unit testing packages.

RE: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread terry mcintyre
--- David Fotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I sell software, building Linux apps is out of the question, since Linux users will insist that I give them my work for free. I bought a windoze version of Many Faces, and would be delighted to pay for a Linux version of MFG 12, whenever

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Rémi Coulom
Andy wrote: Remi, you mentioned how the other algorithms predicted well and guessed that it's because the great majority of games are between experienced players whose strength is not changing much. I also feel that the existing KGS ratings work well for those players already. So how about

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread Lars Nilsson
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM, terry mcintyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- David Fotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I sell software, building Linux apps is out of the question, since Linux users will insist that I give them my work for free. I bought a windoze version of Many

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I begin to consder install Linux on my PC at home. With my?internet connection speed, downloading 600 MB is just unrealistic. The other option is to order CD's. They cost $45 and up and I'm sure this cost will?go up with time. So much for the

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread Don Dailey
All I can say is that if even burning an ISO CD from windows frustrates you, you are probably not going to like Linux. Having said that, it's a bit ironic that burning an ISO image is easy in Linux but that you have to scour the web to find a way to do it in Windows.It's no surprise

[computer-go] Solver Developer for Facebook Go

2008-04-09 Thread Andre Koehler
Hi everyone! This is another call for Go enthusiasts to help us developing a usable solver for our Facebook Go project. We developed a working game controller so far that allows Facebook friends to play a Go match with each other. The only missing thing for the first release is a working

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread Don Dailey
David Fotland wrote: Does Linux have a decent development environment yet? After using Visual studio, it would be a horrible loss of productivity to go back to vi/make/gdb. Of course the linux command line tools are great when you want them, but they are available on Windows through

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Don Dailey
Hi Rémi, For a while I have considered overhauling the rating system for CGOS. My system is ad-hoc and based on gradually increasing K factor based on your opponents K in the standard ELO formula. I don't know if your idea here is feasible for a computer server, because presumably the

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Christoph Birk
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Andy wrote: For example: Suppose a player's true strength is 1500 for some time, and then he suddenly improves to 2000. Both before and after he plays a fixed number of games per day (say 10). Show a graph of what each rating algorithm would think his rating is over time.

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread terry mcintyre
How does 500 elo points compare to kyu ranks? Beginning players do improve by 4-5 ranks in a short period of time. We don't all start as dan-level players, alas! --- Christoph Birk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Andy wrote: For example: Suppose a player's true strength is

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Rémi Coulom
Don Dailey wrote: Hi Rémi, For a while I have considered overhauling the rating system for CGOS. My system is ad-hoc and based on gradually increasing K factor based on your opponents K in the standard ELO formula. I don't know if your idea here is feasible for a computer server,

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Christoph Birk
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, terry mcintyre wrote: How does 500 elo points compare to kyu ranks? Beginning players do improve by 4-5 ranks in a short period of time. We don't all start as dan-level players, alas! Yes, but short time will still be many games. Christoph

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Jason House
On Apr 9, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Rémi Coulom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since most programs on CGOS are constant, I believe that Bayeselo would be very difficult to beat. That's partly a side effect of the current rating system... Rémi ___

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Matthew Woodcraft
Christoph Birk wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, terry mcintyre wrote: Beginning players do improve by 4-5 ranks in a short period of time. We don't all start as dan-level players, alas! Yes, but short time will still be many games. It might be that most of those games aren't visible to the rating

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Christoph Birk
On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Matthew Woodcraft wrote: Beginning players do improve by 4-5 ranks in a short period of time. We don't all start as dan-level players, alas! Yes, but short time will still be many games. It might be that most of those games aren't visible to the rating system. That

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread Petr Baudis
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 03:40:28PM -0700, Christoph Birk wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, Matthew Woodcraft wrote: It might be that most of those games aren't visible to the rating system. That might explain why a rating system may have a hard time to follow. Bad data in ... bad data out :-) But

Re: [computer-go] CG'2008 paper: Whole-History Ratings

2008-04-09 Thread terry mcintyre
--- Matthew Woodcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christoph Birk wrote: On Wed, 9 Apr 2008, terry mcintyre wrote: Beginning players do improve by 4-5 ranks in a short period of time. We don't all start as dan-level players, alas! Yes, but short time will still be many games. It

Re: [computer-go] now: operating systems and love

2008-04-09 Thread Adrian Grajdeanu
Linux is a time sinkhole to someone not familiar with it.You are probably almost unaware of the huge investment in time you spent learning windows because the lessons happened gradually over many years and you don't give it a second thought. You just know it and forgot that you had to

Re: [computer-go] My experience with Linux

2008-04-09 Thread Petri Pitkanen
2008/4/9, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Since I sell software, building Linux apps is out of the question, since Linux users will insist that I give them my work for free. I don't have any issue whatsoever with making money by selling software either. I'm not one of those guys