Re: [computer-go] CGOS down 09/23/07

2007-09-24 Thread Don Dailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The 9x9 cgos3 script is on the server home page for download. http://cgos.boardspace.net/index.html - - Don Joshua Shriver wrote: Do you have the script for 9x9? I could move Dog over to it if you want. -Josh On 9/23/07, Don Dailey

[computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Urban Hafner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hej all, I'm wondering if anybody knows how ego110_allfirst on CGOS works. The name seems to suggest that it does random playouts and uses the all-moves-as-first heuristic. Is this correct? And if so, how many playouts does it do per move? I'm

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Don Dailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Did you look at the games? I looked at game 133580.sgf and your program was clearly lost playing the black pieces, however the game record says that your opponent resigned in a dead won position. In fact, there were not moves left to play other

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Urban Hafner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 24, 2007, at 17:07 , Don Dailey wrote: Did you look at the games? Good idea. For whatever reason I didn't think of this! I looked at game 133580.sgf and your program was clearly lost playing the black pieces, however the game record

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Jason House
I just looked at 133684. ego110_allfirst took all the way until move 18 to play a move above the 2nd line. In fact, in the 8 moves it made prior to that, 5 were on the first line. ErlyGo's random plays had only 2 on the 2st line and 2 on the 2nd line. It seems like a random strategy gives a

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Jason House
For the game we both looked at, 133684, the end position had 33 solid points (stones+territory) for ego and 45 solid points for erlygo. 3 were undecided. If ego got all 3, it'd have 36. With komi, that'd be 7.5higher, or 43.5. The best ego could do is lose by 1.5 points, so resigning is the

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Don Dailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Urban Hafner wrote: On Sep 24, 2007, at 17:07 , Don Dailey wrote: Did you look at the games? Good idea. For whatever reason I didn't think of this! Don't feel too bad. This is the voice of experience speaking (in other words, I've drawn

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Urban Hafner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 24, 2007, at 17:22 , Jason House wrote: I've been toying around with time control lately (and failing to get it right). I can take down housebot-xxx-ucb and put up housebot-xxx-amaf if that helps with testing of erlygo. (housebot-

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread dhillismail
-Original Message- From: Jason House [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:22 am Subject: Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS I just looked at 133684.? ego110_allfirst took all the way until move 18 to play a move above the

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Don Dailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason House wrote: I just looked at 133684. ego110_allfirst took all the way until move 18 to play a move above the 2nd line. In fact, in the 8 moves it made prior to that, 5 were on the first line. ErlyGo's random plays had only 2 on the 2st

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Don Dailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 That's not the game I looked at. I looked at game 133580 where WHITE had 57 points and black had 24 points. So WHITE had a clear win in a completed game - even if you ignore komi or even given komi to BLACK! And yet white resigned, giving the game

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Jason House
On 9/24/07, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been toying around with time control lately (and failing to get it right). The main principle in time control is that early moves are far more important than later moves.When 2 equal fairly weak bots play, the game is usually over

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Don Dailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Jason House [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:22 am Subject: Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS I just looked at 133684.

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Don Dailey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I had a very kiss algorithm previously. It was very close to time_to_use = 0.1 * (time_left - 60) My impression is that you over-engineer (or over-think) everything. You try to improve on something before you've implemented something that is

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread dhillismail
When I try AMAF (including RAVE) my program always wants to make early moves on the first and second lines. I've come to look at it as a hallmark of the algorithm. To combat this, I use a table with a move number for each position on the board. The program is not allowed to put

Re: [computer-go] ego110_allfirst on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Jason House
On 9/24/07, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I had a very kiss algorithm previously. It was very close to time_to_use = 0.1 * (time_left - 60) My impression is that you over-engineer (or over-think) everything. You try to improve on

[computer-go] myCtest-10k-AMAF-x on CGOS

2007-09-24 Thread Jason House
I see that myCtest has an AMAF version up on CGOS. Is it possible to share details of what was done (under the hood) to get it up and running? I'm curious if Don's strategy was followed and how the different pieces implemented compare to the various features discussed in the thread about