Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio Stations. I agree. Most commercial stations have no desire to offer a variety of programs. They are typically rigidly locked into a single

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition. While I agreed with your description of what HD is an abbreviation for, the use of the term HD can be determined by any entity that employs that term. In

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread TPiwowar
TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE... The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch anytime soon. The market reception for Zune is so

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread TPiwowar
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Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread David K Watson
From the ars technica article that your battery numbers come from: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/zune-hd-specs-reveal-battery-life-estimates-format-support.ars Battery life is cited as up to 24 hours (wireless off) for music and up to four hours for video, but this seemed a

[CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread Fred Holmes
I have Cox Cable Internet Access in Annandale (VA). Cox blocks Port 25 usage for all smtp servers except Cox itself, so that all outgoing e-mail messages from any sender address have to use Cox's smtp server (smtp.east.cox.net). They do this, apparently, so they can easily detect spammers on

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread mike
A quick google and it looks like it's blocked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, those big guys don't want anyone running a server on their network. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: I have Cox Cable Internet Access in Annandale (VA). Cox blocks Port 25 usage for

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread covici
Nope, they block 80, but not 25, thank goodness. mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: A quick google and it looks like it's blocked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, those big guys don't want anyone running a server on their network. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com

[CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread mike
Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread Fred Holmes
No, I'm not running a mail server. I need to help someone set up his/her mail client for a third party POP/SMTP mail account, and he/she is connected via Verizon (dunno if FIOS or DSL, but I presume FIOS). I'm trying to find out what to expect, although a quick test should make it obvious.

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread covici
Yes, I do run a mail server using Linux. mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Are you running a mail server? On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:27 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Nope, they block 80, but not 25, thank goodness. mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: A quick google and it looks like

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread katan
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:13:29 -0700, mike wrote: A quick google and it looks like it's blocked, I'd be surprised if it wasn't, those big guys don't want anyone running a server on their network. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: I have Cox Cable Internet Access in

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread Chris Dunford
Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. What I read was that the contract wasn't just for the web site. Most of the money was for the infrastructure behind it (databases

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread Jordan
Fred Holmes wrote: No, I'm not running a mail server. I need to help someone set up his/her mail client for a third party POP/SMTP mail account, and he/she is connected via Verizon (dunno if FIOS or DSL, but I presume FIOS). I'm trying to find out what to expect, although a quick test

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 17, 2009, at 12:57 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Can anyone tell me whether Verizon FIOS (or DSL) service does this? (in Annandale / northern VA) I use port 25 on Verizon DSL and do not use their SMTP server. It is not blocked. With some other ISPs I use port 26 or 587.

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread b_s-wilk
Port 25 is often blocked for security reasons. For SMTP, we've been using port 465 SSL for smtp.correo.yahoo.es, port 465 TLS for smtp.gmail.com, port 587 TLS for outgoing.verizon.net. I can send from any of my email accounts through all three, but the gmail SMTP server renames the sender with

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread mike
Yeah open source...free. Half the work was already done for them. Not only was this company taking an existing website and merely rebuilding it, they are using pre built tools to do it. What are they doing exactly for ten million? Oh that's right, with the new transparency that info is

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread mike
The hardware was supplied by the government from what I read...this was JUST for the coding etc. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our

Re: [CGUYS] Verizon smtp and Port 25

2009-08-17 Thread Fred Holmes
Thanks. I've been doing that for several years now, since before I got Cox HSI access. I'm just trying to figure out what to expect when setting up someone else who subscribes through Verizon. Fred Holmes At 02:23 PM 8/17/2009, katan wrote: Assuming that you want to use your his.com address,

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Yeah open source...free. Half the work was already done for them. Not only was this company taking an existing website and merely rebuilding it, they are using pre built tools to do it. What are they doing exactly for ten million? Oh that's

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread mike
It's not with drupal, it's the fact they are using prebuilt systems for their website...should be SAVING money...what this website would have cost 25 million otherwise? recovery.org only monitors recovery spending..another website called fedspending.org monitors ALL government spending and did it

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread Chris Dunford
The hardware was supplied by the government from what I read...this was JUST for the coding etc. I meant the software infrastructure, not the hardware infrastructure. My point was that it wasn't just for the web site; there's a lot of code behind it that you can't see. Just design and coding

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread mike
The software infrastructure was supplied by drupal...which was my point. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: The hardware was supplied by the government from what I read...this was JUST for the coding etc. I meant the software infrastructure, not the

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread Jeff Wright
Now tell me, doesn't this business sound the least bit suspicious to you? I believe I already stated that both mfrs make exaggerated claims on battery life, at least that's what I've seen from reports of field testing the battery life on the Touch.

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread db
Correct me if I am wrong but drupal is just a software Content Management System tool ... a backend framework for developers to use in integrating systems such as databases, email, RSS, telephony, websites etc. You don't have anything until you create something with it which of course

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread Jeff Wright
OKAY WFBs, EDUCATE ME. CAN THE ZUNE HD DO THIS TOO? With TomTom for iPhone, millions of iPhone users can now benefit from the same easy-to-use and intuitive interface, turn-by-turn spoken navigation and unique routing technology that our 30 million portable navigation device users rely on

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: I believe I already stated that both mfrs make exaggerated claims on battery life, at least that's what I've seen from reports of field testing the battery life on the Touch. The old argument Everybody's doing it so why can't I? In truth,

Re: [CGUYS] CAN THE ZUNE HD DO THIS TOO?

2009-08-17 Thread MrMike6by9
TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE... The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch anytime soon. The market reception for Zune is so

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread Jeff Wright
TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE... The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod Touch anytime soon. We all know that market analysts are *never*

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread Jeff Wright
The old argument Everybody's doing it so why can't I? You saw an argument in there? You saw a defense of making exaggerated claims? Not to worry, I'm sure chronic paranoia will be covered under O-Care. In truth, reviewers report Apple's estimates to be quite conservative. I've seen the

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread Chris Dunford
The software infrastructure was supplied by drupal...which was my point. The software infrastructure for the web site. The web site wasn't the whole project. Unless I misunderstand what drupal provides, aren't you leaving out the whole rest of the project? We're all against government waste

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Reports indicate that new multimillion dollar website is being done with drupal. Whoever sold this load of hogcrap to our government really made out on our dime. John C. Dvorak was going off about this on the No Agenda podcast

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 17, 2009, at 8:05 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: The software infrastructure for the web site. The web site wasn't the whole project. Unless I misunderstand what drupal provides, aren't you leaving out the whole rest of the project? Of course they are leaving out the majority of the

Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread Allen Firstenberg
I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. If Microsoft made PHP, we'd be constantly talking about how there was another security vulnerability every week...

Re: [CGUYS] drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:48 PM, mike wrote: It's not with drupal, it's the fact they are using prebuilt systems for their website...should be SAVING money...what this website would have cost 25 million otherwise? Precisely, using high-quality open-source frameworks like drupal is going to

Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread covici
I don't see that many security fixes for php come down the line -- at least not on Linux. There are some, but if you have a good web application firewall, it should be OK, if you use your head. Allen Firstenberg cg...@addventure.com wrote: I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid

Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 17, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Allen Firstenberg wrote: I'm not Tom, but I'll give the #1 reason to avoid drupal: PHP And they do have serious problems with it. Very serious problems. PHP is a security nightmare of epic proportions. That is a bunch of crap. Product of the same propaganda

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Seriously? You're comparing a product with an established ecosystem (thanks largely to the iPhone, not the Touch) to one that isn't even for sale yet? You completely ignore the question I asked and substitute a straw-man in its stead. Quite

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread Jeff Wright
You completely ignore the question I asked and substitute a straw-man in its stead. Quite intellectually dishonest. I didn't ignore your idiotic and pointless jingoism. You should be flattered. Of course you don't want to discuss if such applications will run in the Zune HD. Go nuts. Tell

Re: [CGUYS] Subject: drupal for only 10 million

2009-08-17 Thread David K Watson
Well, you could set up an insecure Drupal website if you didn't really know what you were doing. But given that the list of Drupal's users includes many really big names in IT (including the security company Symantec), e-commerce sites, etc., it would seem that it can't be too hard to set up a

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-17 Thread Eric S. Sande
A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods and Zunes, they all ready have computers. They may not have the scratch for a full blown rig, but