Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Not necessarily a bad idea but you are going to get slow ping speeds to a geosynchronous satellite. It's that pesky speed of light issue that we've discussed before. Not for broadband, just for digital TV. My $20/mo Internet connection is just fine for that, but I think it would be silly to use

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
I have not heard great things about DLP. DLP has greatly reduced the cost of video projectors and I think that is great. On the down side, lamp life is 6,000 hours and the replacement cost is about half the cost of the unit. I know my CRT TVs have been around longer than 6,000 hours. I have

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread gerald
some dlp units require factory replacement of the bulb. others are a do it your self. the do it yourself cost is around $1-200. bulb life is frequently only 2-3000hrs. 1000 hrs is 6 weeks. you turn your tv on first thing in the morning and turn it off when go to bed, the bulb lasts less

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
If you get a clear signal from a roof top antenna it certainly is the way to go. No compression artifacts from the cable and Satellite providers trying to scrunch more signal into the limitations of their bandwidth. On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My clear

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
They used to have DLP in the gym I go to. About once every six months they would all post a notification that it was time to change the bulb. Since they all ran the same 24/7 all the messages would come up around the same time. Now they have plasma panels. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tom

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-29 Thread mike
The DLP's we looked at, the lamps were a couple hundred. Mike On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not heard great things about DLP. DLP has greatly reduced the cost of video projectors and I think that is great. On the down side, lamp life is 6,000

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Paul Meyer
: From: gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:12 PM http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/03/31/comcast-degrades-hd.html http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 i have comcast in dc

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Paul Meyer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 9:50 AM I haven't been paying attention, but I think it's a bit of a leap to say that FIOS is inferior to cable (if anyone has?). Cable seems capable of faster speeds

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Paul Meyer
] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:08 PM Let the product do the talking and let the marketplace decide is my philosophy. Looks to me like engineer logic, but the market works with marketing logic. That is why this story caught my

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Michel Lowe
] On Behalf Of Paul Meyer Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:49 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies Is cable really supposed to have faster speeds?  If so, that has to assume no contention with other users. Isn't FIOS bandwidth allocated on a per

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread gerald
Wimbledon is currently on nbc hd and espn2hd. nbc is probably 1080p espn is maybe 540. i can see the net strings clearly on nbc. the scoreboard is clear when looking from 100' away. fine looking images. on espn, the net is a gray smear, and the scoreboard is fuzzy. the two feeds are

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread mike
Unless somthing has changed, there is no 1080p broadcasts yet. Mike On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 12:14 PM, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wimbledon is currently on nbc hd and espn2hd. nbc is probably 1080p espn is maybe 540. i can see the net strings clearly on nbc. the scoreboard is clear

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
All I can say is that LCD/Plasma TV's are the best way to go for clarity. I have a conventional in the bedroom and a flatpanel in the Living room and the difference is absolutely clear. I can read the text and clearly see it. I also have TIVO on both sets and the TIVO menu is crystal clear

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread gerald
how do you compare the lcd plasma with dlp, or with 3 gun lcd/dlp? best buy or circuit city have pretty good lineups for comparison. as mike points out, broadcasts are 1080i at the major networks, however, the way i read this, there is sometimes a 1080p datastream in the signal

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I have not heard great things about DLP. On the others I have no idea. I just know from what I have personally seen at home and other. To me that is the acid test. I do not have specialized video going to feed all my TV's so I can show the best it can possibly do. One of the biggest

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Eric S. Sande
Isn't FIOS bandwidth allocated on a per-connection basis? Yes as far as I know. We operate on a you pay for it you get it business model. All the time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
Rev. Stewart Marshall I have not heard great things about DLP. One of the guys that is a regular on Leo LaPorte's TechGuy podcasts seems to prefer DLP's over plasma or LCD in some applications. Evidently DLP on the widescreen (theater) is a no-brainer.shrugs On the others I have no idea. I

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I include in their bias American made cars. In many of their past reviews they would talk about what was right with the American made car and then give it lousy ratings when it did not deserve it. (In checking their charts they usually were on par with the foreign made one) In many cases I

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Tom Piwowar
My clear preference is for FIOS over comcast for internet. I'm having a rooftop antenna installed next week. Fie on modern technology. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

[CGUYS] Gaming systens [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Eric S. Sande
if they only want a game system how about an Xbox or PS3? Well I can address that. I still see people thinking of games as being Donkey Kong on a C64. Nothing wrong with that, that was OK. In the current century an ultra-fast PC is a basic requirement for major titles. If they have a

Re: [CGUYS] Gaming systens [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
And a lot of storage! Stewart At 09:14 PM 6/28/2008, you wrote: Well I can address that. I still see people thinking of games as being Donkey Kong on a C64. Nothing wrong with that, that was OK. In the current century an ultra-fast PC is a basic requirement for major titles. If they

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-28 Thread Eric S. Sande
My clear preference is for FIOS over comcast for internet. I'm having a rooftop antenna installed next week. Fie on modern technology. Not necessarily a bad idea but you are going to get slow ping speeds to a geosynchronous satellite. It's that pesky speed of light issue that we've

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-27 Thread gerald
Let the product do the talking and let the marketplace decide is my philosophy. Here in the united states, the entire effort of the advertising industry is to convince the marketplace that an inferior product is the product of need. get a logo, a color, and a jingle. start with GM and ford,

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-27 Thread Chris Dunford
Here in the united states, the entire effort of the advertising industry is to convince the marketplace that an inferior product is the product of need. get a logo, a color, and a jingle. start with GM and ford, run through Procter gamble, continue with BofA, citibank, and on

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-27 Thread Tony B
I haven't been paying attention, but I think it's a bit of a leap to say that FIOS is inferior to cable (if anyone has?). Cable seems capable of faster speeds, but will they offer those better speeds at better prices is the question. the entire effort of the advertising industry is to convince

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-26 Thread David K Watson
We have finally decided to move to Verizon FIOS. Verizon has been pushing it hard in my area, even going so far as to send door-to-door salespeople, which ordinarily ups my sales resistance, but inthis case I have finally been persuaded. Verizon is offering to replace our landline, cable and

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-26 Thread gerald
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/03/31/comcast-degrades-hd.html http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271 i have comcast in dc. my sister has fios in dallas, which was very much better. the differences i saw in the tv images was considerable. almost the same as the spread

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Let the product do the talking and let the marketplace decide is my philosophy. Looks to me like engineer logic, but the market works with marketing logic. That is why this story caught my attention. The marketeers list features that are irrelevant to how their product performs and swift boat

[CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
Cable ads attacking Verizon confuse consumers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080621/ap_on_hi_te/tec_cable_vs_fiber_ads Cable companies are running ads with a curiously similar message, emphasizing that cable networks are fiber-optic, even though none of the companies draw fiber all the way to the

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-25 Thread mike
I like the last bit about Verizon running misleading ads regarding compressed and uncompressed video. Personally I don't care if they lay kewpie dolls from end to end, I care about the end result and cost. Mike On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cable ads

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-25 Thread Eric S. Sande
Personally I don't care if they lay kewpie dolls from end to end, I care about the end result and cost. Yeah, that's pretty much the bottom line. But I figure I'm going to get a bigger long term return on massive capital investment now than I am on putting band aids on what I've got. It's

Re: [CGUYS] Cable Fights FIOS with Lies

2008-06-25 Thread mike
I haven't seen much market place decisions around here. I have one bad choice. I keep wondering when DSL will die...and then I realize some still use dial up. Mike On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the marketplace decides.